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On the whole mason thing, I don't think it's necessary for them to claim at all (on any day) unless one of them is under suspicion. What's the point of having 2 confirmed townies if they're in no chance of being lynched? Sure, town might waste time discussing them and cops may waste investigations on them since they're not confirmed, but if it gets absurdly out of hand they can decide to claim after all. Also, breadcrumbing their partner is not very important, because no mafia would counter claim the other mason, I would think. I mean, giving town a 50% chance of lynching scum and a confirmed lynch the next day if the lynch misses, in exchange for a 50% chance to kill a single townie (even if he is confirmed), sounds like a terrible trade. That said, I suppose it might be a good strategy to claim if the masons are two relatively new players (like myself), in that it would draw fire away from more veteran town players. If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. I'd be happy with believing them and only doubt them if they start acting specially scummy or aren't dead by day 4. Cops are here to investigate scummy players, not to confirm townies. I'll rereading the thread to try to get my reads right now. | ||
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MrZentor's early game was both agressive and annoying. His case on prplhz was pretty bad in my opinion and the self vote thing could mean absolutely anything (and, therefore, only causes confusion at this point). Still, the only game I've played with him he was scum, but his play was (at least initially) more calm and poised, so I am unsure what to make of this. I don't know whether I'd vote for him or not, gotta think more on it. Prplhz, you're being pretty quiet, which is a bit strange considering your early hustle with MrZentor. Forumite made a case on him and wants him lynched; can you comment on it? What do you think of MrZentor? Would you vote for him? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: That is some weak sauce Zentor. Much of this I agree with, though not the last sentence. Zentor does not scream scum to me, at least not yet, and following this course through likely only nets us a dead townie. As you say yourself, only 1/3 of the players have even posted, so no need to be hasty. And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that? + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:26 Radfield wrote: I'm down with a VE vote at this point. On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I agree with Toad, enough about the masons. If in fact they exist, they have enough information and opinions to make their own decision. I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 18:37 Radfield wrote: Correct. I'm not sure what you find suspicious about that. Someone making a weak case is certainly no indication of them being scum, especially when that case is made in the first half of day 1. I didn't think Zentor's case was strong, yet I also didn't see Zentor as scum. However, both of those things may change with time. Something about prplhz is tickling my senses, though I haven't reread the game yet. I started to last night, but was too tired to focus. So now I'm up early with the intention of putting in some time before work. Prplhz is simply a bit too quiet for my liking at any rate. My reasons are my own for voting VE, though they will materialize in the thread before the day is out. The short version is that I've played scum with VE lately, and so far this reminds me of that game. Your answers are mostly satisfactory, but I'd still like to understand better what your suspicions. Prplhz commented on you frequently keeping your reads to yourself, but I think we could profit from seeing you write them down for us. Still, whether you decide to enlighten us (and whether you've changed your mind or not after his posting), I've begun to agree with you in relation to VE. VE: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It was mostly me disagreeing with Forumite's case. Zentor seems like a lurky-scum kinda player, and doubt as scum he'd enter the game voting for himself. That's kinda an advanced scum move and (no offense Zentor) not one I see MrZentor making. I could have just said "I don't agree with a MrZentor vote" but the way I said it gets more people to trust me faster...or so I thought.  No, it was just my entry into the game after drinking at my sister's bday party guys, nothing to see here. However, let's try that again with less alcohol in my bloodstream :D @Forumite So it is your opinion that MrZentor, as scum, voted for himself only to "get responses from people" and then, as scum, singled out prplhz? In the name of....what? Furthering his scum agenda? I don't know, I see it more as a townZentor move myself. That's why I disagree. Your defense of Zentor, that you don't see him making such an advanced scum move, doesn't stick for me. It feels like scum fabricating defense on a townie to potentially gain cred with him or with the town if he's lynched. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Now, scum. VisceraEyes Lynch-List of Lurking Lethargy Sbrubbles - Where the dicks is Sbrubbles anyway? Ace - Ace has shown decent activity this game, but very little actual scumhunting. Concerned about his plan for D2, but doesn't seem very interested in what's going on today, D1. Radfield - Radfield's really only here because not only was his vote for me not explained (verily, even when requested), but justifies it by my lack of response. Sounds like an excuse to park his vote and not scumhunt to me, and I don't like it. ##Vote: Ace Unless we decide that we'd rather lynch a lurker, in which case I prefer Sbrubbles. I wouldn't mind that actually, because between the two I think I prefer Sbrubbles...but I don't think I can get a wagon rolling on a lurker at this point. Based on the fact that my scumreads are weak as hell after rereading (those who know me will notice a distinct lack of red text), I think scum are putting in way less effort than most everyone who's posting. As an aside, if voting is done in this thread, could we trouble the hosts for periodic vote-counts? Your reasoning on Ace has already been adressed by himself and others here commenting on his meta. I'd be more than happy with giving him the benefit of a doubt. His setup discussion got things rolling in a good way and I don't see him play as scummy at all. Accusing someone who hasn't been active (in this case, myself) is usually good town play in order to get people to talk and remove from the game someone who isn't contributing to town. Still, trying to shift focus to lurkers when we've been having pretty good discussions is trying appear useful without having to actually having to take strong stances . And this is scummy behaviour to me. Lastly, between you and Rad, you've both accused the other, but looking at the game through "VE town lenses" and "Radfield town lenses", I think his play makes more sense. So I'm voting you. ##vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On April 24 2012 04:34 Radfield wrote: Shrubbles actually looks ok to me right now. He really only has two posts, as two of his posts are back to back. Though actually now that I look at it, they are timestamped on the exact same minute... + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote: I don't think VE is scummy and I don't trust cases based solely on meta. There's plenty of time for him to respond to accusations tomorrow, so we'll see what he says. MrZentor's early game was both agressive and annoying. His case on prplhz was pretty bad in my opinion and the self vote thing could mean absolutely anything (and, therefore, only causes confusion at this point). Still, the only game I've played with him he was scum, but his play was (at least initially) more calm and poised, so I am unsure what to make of this. I don't know whether I'd vote for him or not, gotta think more on it. Prplhz, you're being pretty quiet, which is a bit strange considering your early hustle with MrZentor. Forumite made a case on him and wants him lynched; can you comment on it? What do you think of MrZentor? Would you vote for him? On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote: Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: That is some weak sauce Zentor. Much of this I agree with, though not the last sentence. Zentor does not scream scum to me, at least not yet, and following this course through likely only nets us a dead townie. As you say yourself, only 1/3 of the players have even posted, so no need to be hasty. And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that? + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:26 Radfield wrote: I'm down with a VE vote at this point. On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I agree with Toad, enough about the masons. If in fact they exist, they have enough information and opinions to make their own decision. I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes How did you manage to write up that second post in 1 minute? I suppose you could have written it up beforehand, but if so, then why did you make two seperate posts? That makes no sense, so please explain. ##unvote I decided to break it up into two posts because I felt the posts were talking about different things and could/should be adressed seperately if it was the case. | ||
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On April 24 2012 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, I know marvellosity is capable of more - I didn't look at his early play, admittedly my expectation of him is based on his later game activity which I have read. Sbrubbles OMGUS of me is strange, considering the reason he's saying I'm suspicious is all the "good discussion town has had over suspicious behavior" and my penchant to "vote a lurker like him" in spite of it "usually being good town play". Like...it doesn't register. I'm good with my vote on him. If we're consolidating, I prefer it's on this guy. Someone needs to tell me why their candidate is better than mine. So, instead of trying to answer to my points, you prefer to try to discredit my case it by calling it an OMGUS? | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote: a) If you can give me a good reason scum would want to enter the game voting for themselves, then you go ahead and chalk this one up to you. There's NO reason scum would do that, and that's why I call it an "advanced scum move"...because I would never think scum would do that. If Zentor is scum and doing that, then kudos to him...but I don't think that's the case. b) My problem with Ace has to do with the fact that he's not interested in helping out with TODAY'S LYNCH AT ALL. It has nothing to do with his setup speculation, it has to do with the fact that he's not trying to help find scum HERE, NOW. You and Radfield feel free to "give him the benefit of the doubt". I'm willing to not vote for him today too, but I think he's scum. It's just a matter of when town will get behind me. c) I'll admit your activity makes you look better now, but I wasn't trying to "shift focus" to lurkers - I was trying to FOCUS TOWN ON LURKERS because TOWN HAD NO FOCUS. d) Rad never accused me, I lightly accused Rad for this - which he's now responded to (sufficiently imo for D1). Anything I'm missing? Because you have literally no case on me, so I just wanted to make sure before you unvote that I answer any other suspicions you have. Now that's a bit better. a) There's no reason for anyone to vote for themselves, scum or town. If such a move is a good towntell, scum would consider doing it and if this is the only reason you read him as town, I think you could be very wrong. b) Ok, we're nearing the last hour, Ace he should at the very least post his vote and his reasoning. I'm willing to look at Rad again in the future. c) Fine, but changing the subject, do you agree with strongandbig's case on Snarfs? I'm reading null on Snarfs. d) Well, I read his posts and his vote as an accusation, but now he claims it was just to get you out to answer. I'm going to go with a marv lynch now. He wasn't playing actively and now that he is, he's on, he doesn't care enough to make a read of his own and has assumed a defeatist attitude. If lynching him is not possible, I'd rather go with a no-lynch today. I'm unsure of my other reads right now. ##unvote ##vote: marvellosity Prplhz, you've voted for Snarfs, but didn't comment at all on it. Care to share? | ||
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On April 25 2012 02:00 SamuelLJackson wrote: I don't think it was that obvious. We had 4 votes on marv with all three of VE, prpl and yourself saying that you are willing to lynch marv. VE voted Sbrubbles to prove his willingness to lynch a lurker / marv (?!?!) and said he was fine with lynching marv. You because you were fine with it for whatever reason, I don't recall something specific there (!) and prpl because he wanted to avoid a no-lynch and out of nowhere 15 minutes before the deadline VE gets in here telling people he had a change of heart, you get in here voting a no-lynch as well, Ace gets in who had no proper clue about what was going on either, therefore voting some random guy who never was up for lynch. You understand that I think the last 30 or so minutes before the deadline yesterday were pretty weird, don't you? Not to mention that I still think marv is / was a good plan B, at least better than a no-lynch. So basicly we were in a Situation were you (rad) tell people it's stupid to lynch a vet because they could be a strong town asset. Next thing happening is VE posting some crap like this: which basicly tells us that we don't lynch lurkers either, which brings me to the question: Are you the bad guy manipulating VE when he is uncertain or is VE the bad guy using your uncertainty to get out of this for whatever reason (hint: in this explanation marv would be mafia) It feels a little like you're behaving like blue, who's most recent post has to be the biggest troll ever, because I told him to stop calling EVERY SINGLE GUY in this game a townie and that we eventually have to lynch someone to get rid of mafia which finally gets him to post a scumread just to answer that one with another "yeah I guess I was wrong, that guy is a townie as well". The difference here is that you are not blue. Neither is VE and one or the other is being manipulative imo. --- Toad Toad, I've been wondering this myself. VE says he's up for lynching lurkers, votes me -> Rad says me and snarfs would be a bad lynch but would accept lynching marv or blue -> VE is convinced by that post that a no-lynch is better (huh?), votes no lynch -> Rad votes no lynch -> marv doesn't get lynched by 3 votes The thing is, even though I can see both of them as suspicious, I was getting the vibe (from the interactions between them) that they couldn't both be mafia, but I'm starting to rethink that. If one of them flipped red, do would think that would clear the other? | ||
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1) Zentor: This sounds like beating a dead horse, but I'm also favorable to his lynch at this point. His play is being disruptive, his self vote antics (which are just antics given that he took his vote off himself yesterday and will likely do so today) don't bring anything to the table and now wants us to wait a few hours to actually hear his case. Tell me, Zentor, if masons (which may not even be here) didn't claim at the start of the day, it's because they find it better to claim some other day. Why would they change their mind because a heavily accused player is asking them to claim? Him playing scummy today could be a planned bus, which would make sense because there may be mafia who defended him yesterday and want to distance themselves from that. ##vote MrZentor 2) VE: Going back to the last minute scramble in yesterday's lynch, how did this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches. Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either. However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count. I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again). Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town? Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight. Convince you of this: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. The question above was posted in a different form by Toad/Sandroba, but you never answered. Besides being overall strong town players, they were putting you, along with Radfield on the spotlight (at nighttime, not less). They may have been leaning on Rad being the scum out of you two (while I think the opposite), but I think their deaths shows that they were at least on the right direction. If I suspect that you're scum, that would mean that mavelosity is also scum, otherwise you could have voted for him to try to force a mislynch at little or no cost. After reading through his filter, I see this as very plausible, which brings me to my next point: 3) Marvelosity: Your play this game has been essencially inactivity and sheeping. During the D1 last-minute scramble, you were apathetic, were giving up on the game and pulled the newbie card. In fact, you did these things at 4 votes, which meant you weren't exactly in mortal danger (but close anyway). Now D2 you're being slightly more active, but the bandwagon on Zentor is already rolling, so you're not actually adding a lot to the discussion. It's hard to make a case on someone who doesn't have content precisely because you can't break down their arguments, but you not having content is exactly my point. You've been lurking and I think you're scum. Also, I tried looking at your games and couldn't find any D1 lynches, but maybe I just missed it. Can you link to one? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 02:00 SamuelLJackson wrote: I don't think it was that obvious. We had 4 votes on marv with all three of VE, prpl and yourself saying that you are willing to lynch marv. VE voted Sbrubbles to prove his willingness to lynch a lurker / marv (?!?!) and said he was fine with lynching marv. You because you were fine with it for whatever reason, I don't recall something specific there (!) and prpl because he wanted to avoid a no-lynch and out of nowhere 15 minutes before the deadline VE gets in here telling people he had a change of heart, you get in here voting a no-lynch as well, Ace gets in who had no proper clue about what was going on either, therefore voting some random guy who never was up for lynch. You understand that I think the last 30 or so minutes before the deadline yesterday were pretty weird, don't you? Not to mention that I still think marv is / was a good plan B, at least better than a no-lynch. So basicly we were in a Situation were you (rad) tell people it's stupid to lynch a vet because they could be a strong town asset. Next thing happening is VE posting some crap like this: which basicly tells us that we don't lynch lurkers either, which brings me to the question: Are you the bad guy manipulating VE when he is uncertain or is VE the bad guy using your uncertainty to get out of this for whatever reason (hint: in this explanation marv would be mafia) It feels a little like you're behaving like blue, who's most recent post has to be the biggest troll ever, because I told him to stop calling EVERY SINGLE GUY in this game a townie and that we eventually have to lynch someone to get rid of mafia which finally gets him to post a scumread just to answer that one with another "yeah I guess I was wrong, that guy is a townie as well". The difference here is that you are not blue. Neither is VE and one or the other is being manipulative imo. --- Toad + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 23:00 Sbrubbles wrote: 2) VE: Going back to the last minute scramble in yesterday's lynch, how did this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches. Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either. However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count. I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again). Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town? Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight. Convince you of this: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. The question above was posted in a different form by Toad/Sandroba, but you never answered. Besides being overall strong town players, they were putting you, along with Radfield on the spotlight (at nighttime, not less). They may have been leaning on Rad being the scum out of you two (while I think the opposite), but I think their deaths shows that they were at least on the right direction. If I suspect that you're scum, that would mean that mavelosity is also scum, otherwise you could have voted for him to try to force a mislynch at little or no cost. After reading through his filter, I see this as very plausible, which brings me to my next point: 3) Marvelosity: Your play this game has been essencially inactivity and sheeping. During the D1 last-minute scramble, you were apathetic, were giving up on the game and pulled the newbie card. In fact, you did these things at 4 votes, which meant you weren't exactly in mortal danger (but close anyway). Now D2 you're being slightly more active, but the bandwagon on Zentor is already rolling, so you're not actually adding a lot to the discussion. It's hard to make a case on someone who doesn't have content precisely because you can't break down their arguments, but you not having content is exactly my point. You've been lurking and I think you're scum. Also, I tried looking at your games and couldn't find any D1 lynches, but maybe I just missed it. Can you link to one? | ||
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On April 26 2012 15:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Sbrubbles, I answered your post in my response to Radfield. The fact that you didn't realize that Radfield had asked me that too leads me to believe that you didn't even READ Radfield's case, and only popped in here to spread doubt on me because you saw that there WAS a case on me. Also, thanks for showing up from out of nowhere only to comment on this brah. I couldn't help but notice that you didn't mention MrZentor during your short return to the thread. You know, the leading lynch candidate? Actually no you didn't. You didn't answer my question at all. I'm not sure you even READ it. Let me rephrase it for you. Radfield's post: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches. Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either. However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count. I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again). Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town? Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight. Notice how it says nothing about either 1) marv's meta, 2) marv's innocence, 3) marv's previous games or 4) prefering a no-lynch to lynching someone. In fact, he even considers lynching marv as an option, though he changes his mind later. He didn't "feel like forcing through a mediocre candidade", but that only means he didn't want to be the one pushing for marv. How can someone saying "I'm fine with a marvellosity lynch" lead you to rethinking about lynching him??? + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. Also, I DID comment on MrZentor. You're the one not reading through the thread. But here's a hint for you. ##unvote MrZentor ##vote VisceraEyes I'll go back to MrZentor if it's necessary for a majority. | ||
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On April 26 2012 21:20 Bluelightz wrote: So..... you guys just finished talking in a qt right :D okay, also look at how sbrubcles COMPLETELY ignore's my case when he came back and voting for a person with a horrible reason 'yo d00d, you didnt answer meh question, your soooo scum'. I'm sorry if your case is crap and doesn't deserve an answer. But how about I humor you and do it anyway? + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote: sup bros, First, answering phagga's question, s&b is town because after looking back his over all play seems townie and that scum wouldn't spend SO much time making a case and making a huge post on breaccrumbing. Next, After my procces of elimenation I feel that Sbrubbles is scum. Firstly LOL, he has barely 1 page of filter. Next, he 'says' that in the week day's he'll have more time, you spendin it on a qt bro?, Its been like what, THURSDAY!, and in the post he said that it was, MONDAY!, he has had over 3 day's of time but hasn't found time to contribute stuff to the thread. Also, as an answer to the second post I'd like to have you answer stuff other then 'yo blue! i didn't have any fucking time' I consider this unacceptable as he has found time post other stuff as well during the week. So, your argument is that my filter is short. Well, so what? I've put plenty of thought into my posts. If you refuse to see the content in my posts, that's your problem. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote: Third, Look at how brubbles has asserted himself with his reads, his reads seem like that he's setting up himself for example a lynch on marv, if we'll ever consider it again he'll just say this 'I also feel that marv is scum for reasons I pointed out before in my reads" so that he won't contirbute more stuff. As I said, I agree with a marv lynch, especially if VE flips red (which I think he will). + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote: And lastly, take out every one-liner and question from brubbles's filter it's very short aint it? Also, what VE pointed out on brubbles on his previous post (I think) that he was trying to add suspicion to VE without asserting himself, and again also because he keeps on pushing easy targets (marv,zentor). I wasn't planning on asserting myself through the vote because I felt there was/is no way to change the bandwagon to VE, so I didn't plan on asserting myself too much, but still tried to keep the ball alive for D3. Now Rad has also commented on VE, so I see that I'm not alone. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote: My process of elimenation: I elimenated every town read I have and got left with this: VE, Forumite, Srubbles, prplhz (I think that phagga is town because his answers to my pressure seemed town and he readily added stuff to respond to my point in the case agaisnt him, he explained his vote on marv etc) Out of this, I'm more confident that Forumite and brubbles are scum. VE im not very confident as scum but may be. prp im most sure is town out of the group. Now, you might ask ' But Blue! that only means that there are two scum', Ive begun thinking around and I think we should probably discuss this, In the last C9++ there was a 1 shot DT (Right?) when Probulous was a Godfather. I feel that this setup is a little the same with it as Radfield is a 1 shot DT. Now, I seriously believe that Ace is a GF for first, IF brubbles is scum, his no communication at all with Ace makes it a little suspicious that why are they not communicating in thread? Second, that Ace keeps on pushing MrZentor, MrZentor is clearly town in my eyes. Lastly, ##Unvote: phagga ##Vote: Sbrubbles So your argument is that I haven't communicated much with Ace? I have not seen yet a point of contention between us. Also, he hasn't posted in the thread ever since the Zentor bandwagon was mostly secured. @forumite: I get your point. I think I've said what I need to say about VE. ##unvote VisceraEyes ##vote MrZentor | ||
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On April 26 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote: EBWOP: to expand a little - isn't it a bit early to be going back to Zentor to secure a majority (deadline is quite a long way away still) if you really think VE is scum? Now that's a bit better. Yes, I could wait a bit to revert my vote, but I'm gonna have to leave 3 hours before the deadline (5 hours from now) and I doubt that a change to VE will be possible today. Also, I'm in favor of a Zentor lynch, so I don't want to risk a no-lynch. | ||
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On April 27 2012 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote: This was in my response to Radfield Sbrubbles. This is dumb, people don't even want to read when attacking me. What's the point in defending myself? When MrZentor flips red, can we please lynch the piss out of Sbrubbles? Once again, you are talking nonsense and avoiding my question altogether. Rad, in his post, is questioning the way you used marv's metagame to clear him in that instance. I'm doing no such thing!!! I'm questioning this part of your post: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv Rad has NOTHING in his post that would make you rethink voting marv. Nothing about going back to the beggining and rereading. Nothing. In fact, his post is lightly pro-marv lynch. If you see something in the following post that says anything about marv's metagame, about going back to the beggining and about rereading or anything of that kind, please point it out: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches. Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either. However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count. I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again). Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town? Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight. Also, lemme quote the dead man again: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 02:00 SamuelLJackson wrote: which basicly tells us that we don't lynch lurkers either, which brings me to the question: Are you the bad guy manipulating VE when he is uncertain or is VE the bad guy using your uncertainty to get out of this for whatever reason (hint: in this explanation marv would be mafia) | ||
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Hmm, thanks, I didn't think he'd be refering to a previous post. That's partly answered, then, but I still find the change of heart odd. My point is answered, but I'd still like Toad's to be. | ||
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In terms of setup, it feels very unlikely that there'd be only 2 scum. If my calculations are correct and the setup is 11 townies and 2 scum, town can random lynch every day and have 40% win rate, which is absurdly high for a random lynch policy. Then again, C9++ accomodates for that, so I don't know. If anyone wants me to comment on something, I'm here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 10:55 Ace wrote: Ok let me try this again. BL shows up "defending" Mr.Zentor's lynch long before it happens. However, he never talks about why Zentor must be Town. I don't see it in any of his posts so if they are there show me. It's literally "I dont think a Townie would do this" which isn't a real defense. If he REALLY thinks Zentor is innocent why would he not destroy any of the posts against him? He didn't. This is why I said he comes off as Scum knowing Zentor is innocent ahead of time. He looks like he's defending Zentor but he really isn't. The second bolded doesn't make him Town. "Looking for Scum" is subjective as even Scum can look for Scum. I don't think you are looking at the big picture here. Once again, look at the chain of events the way they went down. Once you showed up with a post on VE, BL shows up with a 19 minutes later with a post calling out a Scum team of VE, Forumite and phagga. His next post after that is calling out Sbrubbles as Scum. He even tries to throw me in there and says me and Sbrubbles must be talking in QT. That's 5 players in not even a quarter of a day that he calls out before Zentor is even flipped and you want to believe he was actually Scum hunting. Seriously this is very simple: If he truly believed Zentor was Town and he is also Town then why would he focus his efforts on calling out 5 other players instead of saving Zentor? He had ample time. He also should know that calling 5 players out isn't going to lead to all of them voting for whoever he thinks is Scum. This was a feigned attempt to look like he was defending a player and attempting to find Scum when he did neither. I feel like his town Zentor read was a gut read, and, frankly, Zentor himself wasn't resisting the lynch, so it was hard to defend him. I would argue that Bluelightz's intentions were simply to not let the discussion die out. Just because there's a good candidade is in place, it doesn't mean we should cease talking. I don't agree with his reads nor how he pushes them, but I don't think he's scum. He's being erratic, but, unlike Zentor, he's being much more accusative. | ||
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On April 28 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote: The last thing I think of when I look at Ace's play is erratic. Precisely the opposite in fact. I meant Bluelightz. | ||
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On April 28 2012 00:12 Bluelightz wrote: brubbles, could you man up and make a case on your most scummiest target? Next: Does Ace's play match if you read it as a scum perspective? I could, but my reads aren't that strong at this point. I'd rather not make a half-baked case and wait until daypost. The only this I found strange in Ace's play was not wanting to talk about other lynch candidades, specifically this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 23:06 Ace wrote: Irrelevant. I'm not answering this because it does nothing to further the game as its just throwing more names out there. Right now what is important is Mr.Zentor and your defense against him. Putting out more scum reads does nothing. But it makes sense if he suspects you, since he is pressuring you to talk. Otherwise, I've agreed with his play and most his reads so far. | ||
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Gotta think about today's lynch now that VE's out of the way. | ||
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On April 28 2012 09:35 Bluelightz wrote: Also, marvellosity is town, Scum wouldn't push scum  (therefore he is town.)Or WOULD he??? It's a huge can of WIFOM we're opening right now. Still, as I argued before, VE's behavior day 1 makes a shitton of sense if you consider he was protecting marv. Either way, gonna reread Marv right now. | ||
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1) D1: - Inactivity/no content: the only thing he comments on D1 before his vote is that Zentor might be town from a metagaming point of view. - Sheeping: votes for Snarfs without giving any reasoning. Note this is Snarf's third vote. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:21 marvellosity wrote: s&b's effort on Snarfs is the best I've seen so far, and due to my own failure to make good scum-reads, that will be where my vote will rest atm. ##Vote: Snarfs Note how on D2 he's changed his mind in relation to Snarfs. He only claims he's changed his mind on D2 when questioned about it. He removed his vote from Snarfs without mentioning him at all, so we could have assumed his opinion hadn't changed. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote: Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd. - Desperation/Pulling the newbie card/etc: His own explanation for what's going on makes no sense + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:36 marvellosity wrote: I knew the end of the day would go this way. Every single Day 1 I've had I've looked bad; apparently this is something I'm seriously going to have to work on - I just haven't mastered the knack of manufacturing content when there is little material yet. We're gonna drift into that lovely situation where town's gonna lynch me although no-one really thinks I'm scum, and everyone will be like "well, that kinda sucks, but hey ho whatcha gonna do" On April 24 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote: I would like to note that there has been no opposition to the growing bandwagon of my lynch when clearly scum has had the options to direct the vote almost anywhere with a maximum of 2 votes on any one person. On April 24 2012 06:30 marvellosity wrote: Sigh. I dislike the fact that I'm scummy because I've not been able to form a decent read although I have been extremely transparent about it. I dislike the fact no-one answered my questions on VE/Radfield cases. I dislike the fact that there's been no opposition to my lynch. Objectively the way this lynch is going down is making it pretty clear this is going to be a mislynch. On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote: The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it. You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please. On April 24 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote: Considerably more people trying to prevent my lynch than there are scum, in fact... 2) D2: - He changed his stance on Zentor. That's perfectly fine. Or is it? Not enough people voted Zentor on D1 to secure his lynch, but who actually defended him? These four people did: Radfield - Didn't vote for Zentor D2 Bluelightz - Didn't vote for Zentor D2 VE - Scum, voted for Zentor D2 Marv - Voted for Zentor D2 - Taking aside his Zentor comments, his D2 has almost nothing. It has weak accusations on Radfield, in which mostly he questions Rad's stance on Zentor but doesn't take a stance on Rad himself. Actually, he steps in to answer for VE: + Show Spoiler + And question's Ace's stance on the issue without giving his own: + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote: Yes, but what do you actually think of the Radfield VE case? 3) VE's no lynch vote D1: Now we've reached the main point. Look at marv's play in the early game. Perfectly lynchable in terms of lynching the unhelpful lurker. An easy mislynch for scum to push for ... if only marv was town. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I can see no tangible difference between Sbrubbles and marvel and could lynch either one based on the same reasoning. VE takes a stance on me and marv, saying either one of us would be fine for the lynch. If Marv was town and he went for the mislynch, he could claim he was being consistent. He may have said this: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, I know marvellosity is capable of more - I didn't look at his early play, admittedly my expectation of him is based on his later game activity which I have read. But that isn't a defense. It would be perfectly fine for him to press with on his lynch after saying that. VE's posting show's he's willing, perhaps eager, to try to lead the mislynch: Votes on Marv - 1 Votes on Snarfs - 3 (highest) + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, as it stands right now, town is going to have to massively consolidate just to GET a lynch. What do you guy suggest? One of MrZentor or Snarfs? They're the leading candidates with 2 votes, one of MrZentors being his own. I think Zentor is town, and I don't think he'll end up voting for himself, so I'd have to go with Snarfs...but Snarfs looks town to me too. There seems to be a consensus behind a Radfield lynch, would you guys join me in lynching him over an inactive I feel has a huge chance of flipping scum? Other than these options, it's looking like a No Lynch situation to me. Then this happens: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:31 phagga wrote: ##Vote: marvellosity On April 24 2012 05:33 SamuelLJackson wrote: ##vote marvellosity --- Toad On April 24 2012 05:59 Sbrubbles wrote: ##unvote ##vote: marvellosity Votes on Marv - 4 (highest) Votes on Snarf - 3 VE then turns to a post Rad had made about 2 hours prior to justify him not voting on Marv. If Marv was town, he wouldn't have to do so, he could have been the 5th vote and probably gotten closer to the mislynch. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. In fact, this move made him stand out, both to me and to Toad. Now that VE's flipped scum, the pieces fit together. 4) VE's accusation on Marv: Everyone go back and read it over. His arguments in favor of a Marv lynch are purely on meta and weak as hell to boot. This, to me, looks like he is pairing up his scumbuddy with a soon-to-be confirmed townie (confirmed through death) in order to shift suspicion off Marv. If VE hadn't been shot, he would have either been trying to bus Marv at this point or, more likely (I think), bussing himself to give Marv town cred. ##vote marvellosity | ||
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On April 28 2012 17:47 Forumite wrote: Snarfs, good shot! Sbrubbles, good to see you back. First question on your Marv-case, why would VE have to vote no-lynch in order to save Marv? There wasn´t much threat to Marv, the case hadn+t built up yet, VE probably didn´t need to go in and save him. Its more of a matter of why would he not pile on if marv was town? As a vet here on TL, his voice has weight to it. If he had voted, Marv would have gone to 5 votes, which is 2 away from a lynch. It wouldn't be guaranteed, but it would have made a world of difference. Also, his posting leading up to that day's lynch gave him a paper trail. No one could call him inconsistent if he went through with the vote, yet he went out of his way to not vote Marv, calling attention to himself. On April 28 2012 19:45 marvellosity wrote: As mentioned above VE did not know he was going to die tonight, so why would he be making a case against me under the reasonable assumption that I would live? If we're playing percentages, the percentages are very much that VE is living through the night (how can he have expected to be shot?) and was setting up what he regarded as one of the easier lynches the next day. Yes, VE had no idea he was going to die and probably wasn't even considering the possibility. Yet he made a "case" on a person he knew was going to die: Radfield and added you in there as bonus. That would have given mafia 2 options, either of which was very plausible: 1) You bus him with special emphasis on his case on Radfield (who was soon to be confirmed through death), which would pair up your names and make you sound very townie (I think this is the more likely scenario). 2) He busses you, by insisting on his night case. It would be shown he was half right about it and give him enough town cred to ride him at least through another day. And if for some reason neither of you were lynched, drinks all around! | ||
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On April 28 2012 23:09 Ace wrote: He bussed VE? Where? He didn't, because VE is dead. I'm saying that was their plan. If VE would have lived. | ||
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On April 28 2012 23:52 Ace wrote: Probable but why didn't he begin setting up VE during Night 2 or at the very end of Day 1? There was a lot of discussion going on and VEs name was off the radar. If he wanted to bus VE that would have been the perfect time to remind everyone "hey, VE is still a top suspect". That's a possibility. But do you see any other reason why VE would accuse Rad, who he knew was gonna die? I mean, why put a lot of effort into calling Rad scummy only 3 minutes before killing him? And why he would add Marv into his accusation? I've got my theory, but I'd like to know yours, Ace. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 04:10 Forumite wrote: There´s a ton of things connecting VE to Marv. VE making a Radfield+Marv connection N2, right before shooting Radfield, effectively kills his own argument, distances him from Marv, while still making it look like VE is scumhunting and Marv is Town (because a strong case on him just got refuted). However, this is based on what VE did. Sbrubbles, did Marv do anything that connects him to VE, or do you base it only on what the flipped scum did? I haven't found anything strongly connecting Marv -> VE. Marv soft defends VE on a few occasions but nothing that stands out too much. My case is based on the VE -> Marv connection and Marv's own scumminess. Marv: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote: My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection. I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him. Me pressuring VE on multiple occasions suggests a connection? So, calling him out and drawing attention to both him and to myself is the scummy thing to do? Also, I'd be happy if you could point out said scummy response. + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote: When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me. VE tried to discredit Rad on multiple instances before N2. It makes perfect sense he'd go back to it. You, on the other hand, he brought out from thin air (or, as I believe, from the scum QT). + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote: From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE. The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles. I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense. This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here. So, doubting, accusing and pushing equates to "distancing" now? In that case I hope to "distance" myself from every scum in this game. You're grasping at straws at this point. | ||
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On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote: Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that: A known Scum player. Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs. Think about this from a different perpective. VE had no idea he was going to die. Everything he said during the night was under the assumption that he was gonna be alive today. Tell me Ace, why did VE make a big case on Rad, who was playing strongly as town, 3 minutes before killing him and confirming him as town? And why add marvelosity to the case? Ace, you're known as a strong town player and I respect you opinion. But you're refusing to put any thought into case and it's starting to look scummy. | ||
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On April 30 2012 03:05 Ace wrote: Actually that is the perspective I'm using. VE has no idea he is going to die - why would he push his scum buddy during THE NIGHT? To the bolded: Look, I can't tell you why VE made a case on Radfield. But adding marvellosity could easily be Scum trying to act like he has a read and throws another player into it trying to make it look legit. I don't think you would find Scum players trying to throw dirt on their scumbuddies during the Night especially if they believe they will live. Why not just wait until the next day to do so? Lets keep it simple here: VE is a known Scum player that had a case on someone. Of all the information in the game that should be labeled unreliable WIFOM isn't this it? Ok lets look it another way if we really believe that VEs "case" on marvell implicates him: it's shaky. So for it to be evidence on marvellosity it should be used in conjunction with some other evidence against him. So besides this VE/marv (calling you this since I picture you as Marv Albert now) is there any other strong evidence against him? Thanks for respecting my opinion though! I believe his overall play has been lacking. I believe the strong signs are his inactivity on D1, his sheeping and lack of content on all days and his attitude when he was starting to get voted on the end of D1. I found his change of stance on Zentor also a bit strange (given that he was actually one of the people defending him D1). I went into more detail a couple of hours back: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 12:03 Sbrubbles wrote: Okay here's my case on marvellosity. 1) D1: - Inactivity/no content: the only thing he comments on D1 before his vote is that Zentor might be town from a metagaming point of view. - Sheeping: votes for Snarfs without giving any reasoning. Note this is Snarf's third vote. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:21 marvellosity wrote: s&b's effort on Snarfs is the best I've seen so far, and due to my own failure to make good scum-reads, that will be where my vote will rest atm. ##Vote: Snarfs Note how on D2 he's changed his mind in relation to Snarfs. He only claims he's changed his mind on D2 when questioned about it. He removed his vote from Snarfs without mentioning him at all, so we could have assumed his opinion hadn't changed. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote: Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd. - Desperation/Pulling the newbie card/etc: His own explanation for what's going on makes no sense + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:36 marvellosity wrote: I knew the end of the day would go this way. Every single Day 1 I've had I've looked bad; apparently this is something I'm seriously going to have to work on - I just haven't mastered the knack of manufacturing content when there is little material yet. We're gonna drift into that lovely situation where town's gonna lynch me although no-one really thinks I'm scum, and everyone will be like "well, that kinda sucks, but hey ho whatcha gonna do" On April 24 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote: I would like to note that there has been no opposition to the growing bandwagon of my lynch when clearly scum has had the options to direct the vote almost anywhere with a maximum of 2 votes on any one person. On April 24 2012 06:30 marvellosity wrote: Sigh. I dislike the fact that I'm scummy because I've not been able to form a decent read although I have been extremely transparent about it. I dislike the fact no-one answered my questions on VE/Radfield cases. I dislike the fact that there's been no opposition to my lynch. Objectively the way this lynch is going down is making it pretty clear this is going to be a mislynch. On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote: The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it. You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please. On April 24 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote: Considerably more people trying to prevent my lynch than there are scum, in fact... 2) D2: - He changed his stance on Zentor. That's perfectly fine. Or is it? Not enough people voted Zentor on D1 to secure his lynch, but who actually defended him? These four people did: Radfield - Didn't vote for Zentor D2 Bluelightz - Didn't vote for Zentor D2 VE - Scum, voted for Zentor D2 Marv - Voted for Zentor D2 - Taking aside his Zentor comments, his D2 has almost nothing. It has weak accusations on Radfield, in which mostly he questions Rad's stance on Zentor but doesn't take a stance on Rad himself. Actually, he steps in to answer for VE: + Show Spoiler + And question's Ace's stance on the issue without giving his own: + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote: Yes, but what do you actually think of the Radfield VE case? 3) VE's no lynch vote D1: Now we've reached the main point. Look at marv's play in the early game. Perfectly lynchable in terms of lynching the unhelpful lurker. An easy mislynch for scum to push for ... if only marv was town. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I can see no tangible difference between Sbrubbles and marvel and could lynch either one based on the same reasoning. VE takes a stance on me and marv, saying either one of us would be fine for the lynch. If Marv was town and he went for the mislynch, he could claim he was being consistent. He may have said this: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, I know marvellosity is capable of more - I didn't look at his early play, admittedly my expectation of him is based on his later game activity which I have read. But that isn't a defense. It would be perfectly fine for him to press with on his lynch after saying that. VE's posting show's he's willing, perhaps eager, to try to lead the mislynch: Votes on Marv - 1 Votes on Snarfs - 3 (highest) + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, as it stands right now, town is going to have to massively consolidate just to GET a lynch. What do you guy suggest? One of MrZentor or Snarfs? They're the leading candidates with 2 votes, one of MrZentors being his own. I think Zentor is town, and I don't think he'll end up voting for himself, so I'd have to go with Snarfs...but Snarfs looks town to me too. There seems to be a consensus behind a Radfield lynch, would you guys join me in lynching him over an inactive I feel has a huge chance of flipping scum? Other than these options, it's looking like a No Lynch situation to me. Then this happens: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:31 phagga wrote: ##Vote: marvellosity On April 24 2012 05:33 SamuelLJackson wrote: ##vote marvellosity --- Toad On April 24 2012 05:59 Sbrubbles wrote: ##unvote ##vote: marvellosity Votes on Marv - 4 (highest) Votes on Snarf - 3 VE then turns to a post Rad had made about 2 hours prior to justify him not voting on Marv. If Marv was town, he wouldn't have to do so, he could have been the 5th vote and probably gotten closer to the mislynch. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. In fact, this move made him stand out, both to me and to Toad. Now that VE's flipped scum, the pieces fit together. 4) VE's accusation on Marv: Everyone go back and read it over. His arguments in favor of a Marv lynch are purely on meta and weak as hell to boot. This, to me, looks like he is pairing up his scumbuddy with a soon-to-be confirmed townie (confirmed through death) in order to shift suspicion off Marv. If VE hadn't been shot, he would have either been trying to bus Marv at this point or, more likely (I think), bussing himself to give Marv town cred. ##vote marvellosity | ||
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Strongandbig, Bluelightz and Ace, are your town reads on marvelosity strong enough that you refuse to consolidate? Phagga, where the heck are you? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote: No, they stop giving info and marvellosity seems very genuine with the information he actually gave us. Telling people to lynch you isn't a scum tell, it's really much more of a town tell. I remember Kenpachi doing the same thing in Steamship Liquidia when scrubs were piling onto him. Why would a scum say "Please lynch me" when he doesn't even have majority? He would say "Don't lynch me" and then he might live another day, he wouldn't give a shit about town well being. The whole point of lynching him right now is town well being because he is town and because people suspect him for some reason. Really, lets just into a lurker that Snarfs decides or something like that. He can flip a coin or whatever, we're a lot better off doing that than lynching marvellosity. Don't compare anyone to MrZentor please. He could be saying "Please lynch me" precisely because some people think that's town behavior. Since we're so close to the deadline and majority hasn't been reached, his behavior can mean anything. My convictions remain the same. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 06:39 prplhz wrote: Rofl. If you tell them to lynch you then they will most likely lynch you. Either you're town and they should listen to you or you're scum and they should still listen to you. You don't go around as scum relying on convoluted plans that require people to actually think further than they absolutely have to. So Forumite, Snarfs, Sbrubbles, should people hammer or are you content with the no-lynch that we're heading to? No, I'm not content with a no-lynch and that should be obvious. | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:58 prplhz wrote: Rofl, people please. Whatever VisceraEyes said, he was deliberate trying to throw us off. And even if he had been under some spell that made him tell the truth, what VisceraEyes says can not be used to discern marvellosity's alignment. ##Unvote marvellosity I don't understand Ace. Quick, vote someone else, otherwise its a modkill. | ||
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I don't know what to think of bluelightz. I don't like his posting style, but I don't have a scum read on him. I also can't read Forumite, so I have them both as null. Of the people being talked about here, I think I'd go for a prplzh lynch, based mostly on Snarf's case, but I'm really unsure. His strongandbig push, his attitude D3, his unvote all felt strange to me. Phagga has promised "more to come" and prhplz has just voted him, so I'll wait for them to make their arguments to try to make a better decision. I'm studying right now, but I'll be reading the thread sporadically. Tonight I'll have more time to post. | ||
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On May 02 2012 07:20 Forumite wrote: Phagga talks about Sbrubbles all the time, mostly to soft-defend him, that he doesn´t play any different from when they played in the same game earlier. Sbrubbles mentiones Phagga twice, first time ever is an hour before the Marv-lynch. I don´t want to lynch prplhz and BL is off my radar for today. Say, Forumite, if your whole case on Phagga is that he's "linked" to me, how about making a case on me instead? That's assuming you want to be coherent. | ||
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##vote prplhz @Forumite, if your case is that he's somehow linked to me and I have a null read on him (same as on you), it's pretty obvious I would end up indirectly defending him. But w/e, maybe this will be a discussion topic tomorrow, if I don't die. | ||
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I'm not a fan of discussing reads at night in this situation, in that it looks like everyone is a suspect to everyone at this point. | ||
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Why prplhz wanted to lynch someone in MYLO and why phagga decided to vote for himself is beyond me. | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote: GG town, thx for lynching Marv for me, you're right that dude was totally scum. ^^ I was totally sure about him being scum, thanks to you.  If that was even partly on purpose, gj. | ||
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