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On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: Ace, do you fear the masons in this game(if they do exist that is)?  Actually before the game setup was finished I PM'd wbg about a possible breaking strategy that existed. It's still powerful but not game breaking. It's a small enough setup that if both Masons would have claimed Day 2 after an outed Cop claim the Mafia would have a hard time winning. With one KP and an outed investigation: 2 Masons (confirmed only to each other, both highly likely Town. 1 death confirms both) 1 claimed Cop A possible medic exists. An innocent/guilty investigation (doesn't really matter which yet). You'd have at least 3 possible innocents and only 1 KP to stop them with a prot role in the background. Town uses it's numbers advantage to just outlast the Scum as the other pool of players contains at least 2 Scum no matter what the original investigation flipped. There were also some other things that made it more brutal: If the Cop investigated either of the Masons and they all claimed, a Scum counterclaim doesn't help. If the Cop finds Scum on the first try then the Masons claiming is almost surely legit as the chances of Scum claiming Mason at that point is suicide. But it depended on the willingness of the Cop to claim, and the competence of the Masons to claim even without the possibility of a Cop claim. | ||
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On April 22 2012 22:49 Forumite wrote: Don´t exaggerate, there´s nothing advanced about this, the only odd thing is you actually going so far as voting yourself, otherwise it looks like standard scumplay, nervous, defensive and fond of counterattacks. Are you still on about prplhz? I don't think anything advanced happened here either, but I'm not sure what constitutes standard scumplay. Last I checked nervousness and being defensive aren't specific only to Scum. Likewise, bad players tend to lash out and counter attack things more than the good ones. On April 22 2012 22:32 MrZentor wrote: I wish everybody would post-Sbrubbles, Phagga, snarfs We've got plenty of time! Anyone down for a policy lynch? Any comments on my post about Masons fast claiming Day 2? Lets get some real discussion going. I'm not going through a 4 page Day 1. | ||
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I'm for Masons claiming on Day 2 as we'd have at least 2 dead players resulting in 2 confirmed Town in an 11 player game. The other reason I'd rather have them claim Day 2 is that if we get a Cop investigation it's going be extremely good for our chances of winning. The only thing that could rock a Mason claim Night 2 would be a potential SK. With the Mafia KP static at one the Town could power through. But an SK running around in addition to Scum would possibly aim for the Masons also. | ||
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On April 23 2012 02:25 MrZentor wrote: Ace, S. Jackson is saying we should have masons claim ASAP, and I am saying we should wait a day or two. Why would you have said two conflicting ideas? I didn't. I said both of your posts were saying what I would, then went on to clarify. I explicitly stated I'm for Masons claiming Day 2. strongandbig: That is really a lot of what ifs you're going through there. I do agree that a framer would mess things up - if we were trying to confirm the Masons. It's more likely that 2 players claiming Masons are Town. If neither one of them died for 2 days I'm sure we'd know whats up. You don't really need the Cop to investigate them. | ||
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As for your encryption plan that makes sense S&B but Samuel brings up a good point: They aren't guaranteed to be in the game. Let's not make ourselves do extra work that probably won't pay off. For now the fact that anyone even lazily reading the thread knows that a Mason claim is very likely by Day 2 is good enough. | ||
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On April 23 2012 05:58 SamuelLJackson wrote: If I understood correctly what strongandbig said he is pretty much against masons claiming at all. He doesn't want masons to claim unless the other counterpart of their mason role is dead, therefore giving us less advantages but also less risks because it's only one confirmed townie but it's just impossible for the 2nd guy to be mafia when the first one already flipped town AND mason. My point is that it's not impossible for both masons to be mafia if they claim before one of them dies but it is REALLY unlikely, therefore I don't think we need to be that cautious and I'd like them to claim before one of them dies if we have masons because that doubles the advantages and with every passing day it's more likely for mafia to claim mason because they might think "well it's already d3, if we don't win by d7 [we need 1 or 2 days according to you to judge wether it's mafia or not and 2 more days to get them lynched] we already lost, so whatever let's claim mason". That being said I really don't think there's masons in here because of what I said earlier and would rather talk about scumreads instead. No responses about what I said about VE? I thought I already addressed the bolded: If both Masons claim the only risk is a potential SK trying to shoot the Masons the same night as Scum. They only have 1 KP. Having 2 confirmed Townies on Day 2 to drop the pool of suspects to 11 is a pretty big deal. Claiming before your partner is dead is very strong. The bolded is in line with what I'm trying to articulate here. Ok @ Forumite but 2 confirmed makes an even bigger difference  | ||
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prphlz isn't around either. | ||
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As for a second candidate I'm pretty sure you know the answer already but just in case you don't: I don't have one. | ||
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Bluelightz what Scum hunting have you done since you're so sure here? On April 23 2012 21:08 Forumite wrote: Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying "only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor. Maybe the people defending him are Scum. If Zentor is Town it would be an easy way to buddy up to him for later with the "look, I knew you were innocent from Day 1 when I defended you" behavior. The logic is pretty bad and if that is the staple being used then by extension I shouldn't be accused by anyone making that leap. But what we all know that makes too much sense don't we? On April 23 2012 21:26 strongandbig wrote: Also: I'm kind of suspicious of ace's focus on game mechanics day1 given how pissed he was in the ss mafia postgame analysis about how that game was won using mechanics rather than analysis. I would have expected him to focus on analysis this game. SS Mafia wasn't won using game mechanics. It was a bunch of players trying to confirm each other based on the way PMs are worded. That isn't using the game mechanics at all. If you've read any of the oh I don't know 20 or so games I've played here, or the numerous topics about advice and guides I've written I always advocate breaking the game using the mechanics. I speculate on setups in many games I play. Just because I haven't made a bunch of accusations doesn't mean I don't or won't analyze players. On April 23 2012 21:34 prplhz wrote: Hey guys this is a mini where Ace actually does something on day1 (and he actually succeeds pretty well with it, catching a scum). Just so you know he's not always this non-committal with his reads on day1. True. But the amount of content in that game and the obvious nature of the Palmar's scummy behavior that game led to me calling him out. You can also go back and find games where I've just relaxed the first few days giving no Scum reads and showing up later to get the party started. Posting 1 game out of the many I've played as some sort of proof is just ridiculously stupid don't you think? I feel like your trying to force something that isn't there. | ||
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On April 23 2012 22:52 prplhz wrote: @Ace We're approaching the deadline, who do you have in mind for lynch today? Right now it looks like VisceraEyes and MrZentor are the two front runners, do you have any preference among these? (last question was just a suggestion, just talk about whatever scum read you have) I went back to read the interaction between VE and Zentor and it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I think anyone trying to make that little bit into a lynch is the real culprit here. I'm betting that if we lynched one of them and they flipped Town, the guys leading the lynch could just say "Well, the case was solid" when it wasn't. Now I did skim a bit further down in the thread and notice you said you didn't call VE scum but you are a part of this. However Radfield popped his vote on very early so I think he's just as guilty as you are. Bluelightz wrote So, I have two suspicions, I will vote Radfield as he sheeped, and is being different to his meta. ##Vote: Radfield What is Radfield's meta? I agree with the sheeping though. @strongandbig: I'm somewhat on the same vein of thinking. As I mentioned in my reply to prphlz I think the people trying to lynch Zentor or VE need to be more scrutinized. I'm leaning towards Radfield being the scummy one. I find it hard to believe he really has a way to apply pressure to VE whether the guy was posting or not since he didn't seem to be around himself. If he was indeed around I'm pretty sure instead of waiting for VE to show up he'd have a comment about something in the mean time. VE not being around is just an excuse so that he didn't have to post himself. ToadStern wrote That's really important because the big part has 2 major phrases in there: 1) People saying "I don't think VE would ignore what's going on for so long if he's mafia". I think I just showed that he would if he thinks there's no danger. He even told me to do that last game. Agree anyone? 2) Scumhunting. I don't see that at all. So I really think he's mafia at this point and nothing that was presented is a towntell at all because frankly he DOES that as mafia as well. On the signing matter, Sandrobas and my style really are pretty easy to distinguish howver if you see a post that's not signed just assume it's Sandroba because I'm trying to do that every time and will do an EBWOP if I forget to sign my post. If the stuff that was presented is a null tell then what are you basing your opinion on VE on? That he isn't scum hunting? @VE: Why are you voting for me? Don't answer this anymore I saw your unvote. @phagga: I guess you didn't see Bluelightz play in DFM 2. @Snarfs: Where are the posts that show marvelosity soft defending players? @Snarfs: Re: Radfield - yes! @Toad: I don't know if you know this but using meta to try and wrangle someone's play style is bad. Unless there is a radical change in a specific thing a person always does comparing activity between games is a null tell. It just promotes tunneling. @Radfield: Well you sure made it back in time with a thoughtful little post. But I don't agree with "dont lynch a strong Town player" theory. We lynch people that are shown to have scummy behavior regardless of past performance or reputation. None of us as far as I know, know each others' alignment. So just assuming that stance is ridiculous. I also don't buy that you didn't really want to lynch VE. If VE was at 5 votes and made that same post would you really have showed up to stop the wagon? @VE: Maybe when you were doing whatever is you do you missed the posts where I said there have been many games where I just sit back and chill out on early in the game. If that is a good enough reason to vote for me then maybe you should vote for some other players who have done less than I have. ##vote: Radfield I'm not buying his recanting of the vote on VE. | ||
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On April 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote: you do realize it's only 10 mins left until deadline ace? I just got home what do you want me to do, get myself mod killed? | ||
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On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote: Toad, your point is just terrible. The fact that I wasn't mentioned earlier in the game is extremely circumstancial. There were many non-posters and lurkers at the start of the game The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it. You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please. Although Snarfs only has one vote less than me, I'm going to unvote him and vote for the no-lynch. It has good grounding and with no-one being certain of anything it seems a decent option at this point. ##Unvote ##Vote: No Lynch Just because someone doesn't oppose your wagon on Day 1 doesn't make you innocent. I showed up late and asked Snarfs where are the posts of you soft defending people. Other than that I don't see what you really did wrong. | ||
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On April 24 2012 07:03 Snarfs wrote: I admit I could have read further into it than it really was, but it definitely stood out as the only thing in his filter at the time I posted: Defending: Forumite (that's who Zentor was calling thick), VE, Mr Zentor thrice, and Ace. I prefer to let people answer questions about their play themselves which is why I called him out on it. I actually don't see those as defending any of us. More like an alternative explanation to the results someone is else is suggesting. His comment on me talking game mechanics is in line with the same thing I said. Likewise, he is right that Zentor calling someone thick when he voted for himself to start the game is... If he is defending Forumite from Zentor, and then defends Zentor 3 times all on Day 1 then I think at best he is just one of those people that always responds to every post in an effort to be as transparent as possible. Or yea, maybe he is just Scum trying to fake a contribution. Defending Zentor 3 times who isn't a good player at all is lol worthy. | ||
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On April 24 2012 15:48 SamuelLJackson wrote: Are you telling me you preparded that post earlier the day to only post it 10 mins before the deadline? Or are you pissed about me calling you clueless or whatever I called you yesterday, when you arrived 10 mins before deadline making it look like you have not read the last couple of pages before that happened, forcing you to read through them really quick, post something really quick, which was after all a suprisingly big post considering your "fuck, need to post, need to vote, no modkill, fast"-situation you were in and vote something really quick. Anyways have to leave again really quick :p --- Toad Not pissed but that's the gist of it. Even though the vote looked like it was late thats because I actually was reading and responding to various points. | ||
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On April 24 2012 19:52 Radfield wrote: Also, you know as well as anyone that I die early and often, so why are you trying(weakly) to get me lynched off some weak reason? You also know as well as anyone that if I'm given some time to play, I generate fairly accurate reads by around the end of Day 2. So why are you slinging mud my way when there is no cause to do so? Sit back, see if my reads match yours, see if I'm still alive when I shouldn't be, and THEN tell me why I'm scummy. Right now your vote on me does nothing but reduce the likelihood of other town players listening to me. It was not a serious shot at getting me lynched, only a hit at my credibility. That is irrelevant. Just because you die early and have a reputation for being a good player does not excuse you from scrutiny. Your reads only matter if you are Town. Are you confirmed Town right now? No. This is what, the 3rd time you've been hiding behind that reasoning as an excuse to let you live? It has nothing to do with your alignment or your posts in this game. Your name could have been JesusField and the case would still be the same: 1.) You sheep a vote onto a VE. 2.) VE doesn't post, but you don't post either even though there was some action going on in the thread 3.) When asked to explain you give out the reason that you did it because you wanted to see how he responded to pressure based on what happened in other games You can't say you've got a case after you got called out for sheeping, don't present it but come with an excuse and not expect scrutiny because of your reputation. Now you know above all else THAT is silly. | ||
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On April 24 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote: Dear Toady: First, MrZentor is scum for contributing minimally(Not saying that I've contributed more then him though), I'm not very sure of this however cause this is his normal trolling :/ Secondly, prp seems scummy, well, because I think that his pushing against MrZentor seems like him trying to distance himself with him. I've got a problem with this line of thinking. On the first day of the game why would prphlz try to distance himself from Zentor when the guy was never really close to getting lynched? If both of them are Scum and it's the first day of the game that would be a pretty dumb thing to do. prp would have no need to distance himself from Zentor, especially since it wasn't until the end of the Day that many people really seemed to believe the guy was Scum. | ||
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But ehhhhh I'm buying your claim for now unless there is a counter-claim. I don't even think your balls are big enough (unlike mine) to claim fake claim Cop so quickly into Day 2. | ||
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On April 25 2012 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm still very interested in hearing Sbrubbles' take on everything that's going on. His response to my vote yesterday was scummy as hell in my opinion. It seemed more like he was trying to sheep Radfield and Toad's vote than an actual vote because he found me scummy. Sup Sbrubbles? Show the post and outline why it was Scummy. At least try and put some effort into calling people out. Why did you check Ace (someone who you said you can never read properly), rather than SamuelLJackson (you thought sandro was playing scum), phagga (who you said looks scummy), or bluelightz (who you said you would think is scum if you didn't have previous knowledge)? Did you not want to maximize your chance of hitting scum with your check by using it on phagga? If he can't read me but is confident in his reads on other people, it isn't farfetched at all. As for his role claim I've thought about it and I'd say that while it's possible he is lying, someone would have counter-claimed by now unless they too are a One-shot Cop. If that's the case then they would have also used their investigation last night and after seeing Radfield claim should come out and clear another Townie (unless they are holding on to a Scum investigation which frankly makes no sense). That hasn't happened so far so I think it's safe to assume at the moment Radfield's claim holds up. If there are no other Cop claims the only thing I would believe Radfield lies about is his one-shot status. It would make a convenient SK or Scum claim but until Day 3 winds around we've just got to take him at his word for now. It would also make sense as an actual Cop to claim 1-shot status to avoid being hit by Scum but I highly doubt Radfield would lie knowing the drama it would cause. It also would be pretty dumb to risk all that just to confirm me when I was never a major suspect anyway. @Snarfs: As for the 3 people on your list the only one I had a solid opinion on was Radfield. I thought he was Scum before the claim. I've got him as leaning Town in my notes. If no one counter claims him before the Day is up I'm almost willing to fully buy into his claim. Forumite and marvel don't seem suspicious at all. With a failed lynch yesterday we have no flip to tie them to, and marvel's lynch wasn't solid at all. However I did mention that we should look at the people in the VE/Zentor argument as the people pushing it. Forumite was a part of that group but that now entirely depends on Zentor's behavior. He looks more likely Scum now than he did when I made that point yesterday. I don't like this Zentor lynch. I feel like the case on Zentor is that he hasn't been playing like a nice safe contributory townie(which is how scum play). Instead he's been playing like he doesn't give a shit and being disruptive and arrogant. It's like he's trying to look as scummy as possible. Please show me a single player who has flipped scum(besides chezinu) who has played a scum game like this. It doesn't happen. Yet it's not uncommon at all for townies to play a style like this. The lynch just feels wrong to me. The bolded is the important part. Just keep it simple: If someone is doing things you define as Scummy, then they are typically Scum. Don't WIFOM yourself. There have been a lot of players who have played disruptive and not giving a shit and turned out to be Scum. Is that even a real question? Look at the logs for RebirthofLegend, L, kuja9000 and Scaramanga (the ultimate Miller) for kicks. Anyway the case on Zentor really is his post saying he is waiting for Masons to claim so it can help him with his scum hunting. Funny, since 2 townies that can confirm themselves as Innocent would help all of us tighten up our analysis. He even was nice enough to tell us to wait about 20 hours or so. That is the definition of posting empty content. | ||
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The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today. | ||
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On April 25 2012 20:16 Bluelightz wrote: Sup bros, my blue mind say's that The Zentor lynch is moving too easy ( as radfield has already mentioned). For now, as a preemptive guess on who is scum it is: Snarfs, strongandbig, and a veteran player. Snarfs because: Snarfs and s&b seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other, also that, he is pushing the easy targets today, Next, I find it odd that he picked s&b out of all people to call out in his first few posts. Lastly, I see a problem with how HE scum hunts, I don't see how asking someone to explain their action's is an effective way to scum hunt, I think that it is easy for one to make one's action's look town. strongandbig because: First, because oddly he picked Snarfs to make a case on, I feel that they are trying to distance themselves from each other, next, in his first post he spent an awful amount of space for a way for people to breaccrumb stuff -.-. Lastly, he made an awful sheep vote on Zentor. Honestly I think both could be town, but I have a feeling that there's scum in them, just maybe, ##Vote: strongandbig For now. ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/biggums.png) | ||
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On April 25 2012 21:30 phagga wrote: Uh, the only one that could counterclaim IS the one-shot cop, and that's under the assumption that wbg stayed true to the C9++ setup in that aspect and picked only one one-shot cop. So it could be a gamble by scum, since there is also the possibility that there is no one-shot cop at all. For example, if scum consists of Goon and Godfather only, and there is no SK (as it seems now), than there is only one blue role, if we stay true to the C9++ setup. The chance that this blue role is a one-shot cop is rather small. This would give scum good opportunities to fake-claim. I understand that this is unlikely, but it should not be left out. Did wbg post anywhere about how he derived this setup? If not 2 one-shot Cops are not out of play. | ||
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On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote: The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN. Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads. A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass? | ||
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The problem with your thinking is "lets not lynch a player who isn't defending himself". I mean...come on. How does this even make sense? If the case against Zentor is he actually did Scummy things AND he isn't bothering to defend himself then how do you figure he is innocent? Lets try this another way. 2 players on trial. Both of them have rock solid cases that show they have done things that more likely than not Scum would do during the course of the game. Player A shows up to defend himself from all accusations. Player B doesn't show up, but earlier in the trial promised to offer future proof about other players being Scum. Oh and he voted for himself. You want us to ignore Player B and find Players C and D? | ||
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Why does How player A defends himself even matter here? It could be the worst defense of all time, but the fact that he even tried in stark contrast to a player who doesn't goes a long way. Really, your defense is "I've seen him do this one time before, and I don't believe Scum would do Scummy things so blatantly." Where as some of us have deemed his behavior Scummy, so then yes more than likely he is Scum. Screw it, let's lynch people for being too town. There is no way an actual Townie would have the balls to do that. | ||
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On April 25 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote: Right. The defence of Zentor here is just pure wifom. Would scum act so scummy? It's too scummy to be scum, so therefore he must be town. But what if he knows that he's behaving too scummy to be scum and therefore he looks townie. Then all of a sudden he could be scum again because he grasps this. Ad infinitum. This is practically a paragon of WIFOM, pure and simple. If we leave the WIFOM that we can't possibly resolve (we can always go an iteration further...) then what are we left with? His scummy behaviour, his anti-town posting. This is the evidence we can rely on, and it's why he's probably scum. ![[image loading]](http://lh6.ggpht.com/_zGnH6HWaAi0/TM0mn1bZ40I/AAAAAAAAIZo/yPnrAbjoH-A/inception_3sec.jpg) | ||
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I believe I addressed all of your questions. If I didn't point it out and I'll answer it. | ||
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On April 25 2012 23:01 Bluelightz wrote: IF ZENTOR WASNT LYNCHED TODAY, WHO WOULD YOU LYNCH AND WHY? That's the question I'd like everyone (that has only voiced suspicion on Zentor today) to answer. Irrelevant. I'm not answering this because it does nothing to further the game as its just throwing more names out there. Right now what is important is Mr.Zentor and your defense against him. Putting out more scum reads does nothing. | ||
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On April 25 2012 23:08 prplhz wrote: @Ace You say that the case on MrZentor is essentially the post he made today where he promised content later, is that really the best there is in this thread after ~20 pages? No, it's just one of a few things I'm looking it. This is the way I see the scenario played out: Yesterday remember Zentor was never really in serious danger to get lynched, but he did show up towards the end of the day. So he had ample time to know that he was a suspect and that his self vote attracted some negative attention. Today he starts off with another self-vote. Based on Day 1 of him not getting lynched even though he attracted attention I think any competent Scum player would do this. He knows the Town failed at securing a lynch yesterday so why not do it again today? The Mason part is just icing on the cake. He literally calls for the Masons to claim so that he can provide us with analysis 20 hours later. But this is just typical Scum play pioneered by the Great L: Promise the Town future content and dead scum for some leniency today or a little more information. But him asking for Mason claims isn't even anything new as we spent the early part of the first day talking about. As I also said before - 2 confirmed Townies showing up makes everyone's analysis tighter. It isn't some unique information that somehow gives Zentor a ridiculously clear picture. If he is the guy driving analysis and wagons then I've clearly missed this thread. | ||
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On April 26 2012 01:41 Snarfs wrote: Sigh, you're doing an amazing job at sheeping Ace. Having 2 Aces is better than 1 imo S&b: Ace, we already have more than a majority voting to lynch Zentor. You've said you want to focus on his lynch and not discuss other potential scum because it "just throws more names out there." Now that the Zentor lynch seems to be pretty much the status quo, what do you suggest we discuss, if not our scum reads on other people? I didn't know we hit majority on Zentor. I'll wait for his flip before tossing more names around. | ||
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The same Zentor who showed up with his "20 hours later" post and didn't even attempt to convince anyone on his reads. Are you people really this dumb? | ||
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But I think the activity once Radfield posted his case on VE is much more telling. There is an attempt to derail the Zentor wagon here: Bluelightz just brought up his 100th suspect in less than 24 hours, Zentor didn't even TRY to convince anyone of his reads, said "good job Radfield!" and um...he didn't even vote after that. So was he convinced of Radfield's case on VE, or was he just like "good, hope this derails my wagon" and slumped off? I mean just look at his last posts: He says VE and phagga are obviously Scummy but doesn't vote for either one as if Radfield's case is going to do all the work. And the amazing part is that both he and bluelightz have phagga and VE as a Scum team with no real case of their own on either player. | ||
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On April 26 2012 22:35 MrZentor wrote: I always wait to use my vote, stupid. Waiting for what? If you say two people are Scum and don't even vote for them then you have no excuse. You aren't even trying to convince anyone that the people you called out are Scum. | ||
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VE doesn't have anything on him and is just spewing bs. | ||
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On April 27 2012 08:12 Radfield wrote: There is no way we are lynching bluelightz tomorrow, and I don't even have a READ on him yet(let alone think he is town). But Bluelightz posts are so random and bouncy that ANYONE can make a half-assed case without trying. A bluelightz lynch will get us no more info than a zentor lynch did. Ask yourself Ace, have we really learned anything from lynching Zentor? Almost every mislynch you learn a tremendous amount of information... unless of course you pick some weak townie who's hardly playing and everyone piles on. There is going to be very little to discern scum from town on the zentor wagon(though I imagine scum were not the ones pushing hard for his lynch). Tomorrow we do things my way. We actually scumhunt, we build cases, we discuss and we don't just drop back on some weak bluelightz case. (unless someone want's to build a serious and thought out case on bluelightz, which I have no problem with) Only 8 minutes and you made me sad Ace hold up playa - I didn't say we WILL lynch him. I said he's the easy lynch. I think we did learn plenty from Zentor's lynch: 1.) You and/or Bluelightz knew ahead of time that he was innocent because one of you is Scum. I think BL is the easy lynch precisely because of this. He didn't actually address the arguments against Zentor. Just calling out suspects with every new post. 2.) Even if you think the Zentor lynch was easy everyone knew it was coming. There is NO way anyone that is competent at this game would have let someone playing like that live. Just because it was easy doesn't mean it was bad. Once again - look at his posts and look at my post outlining how the chain of events happened. Address those points if you want to defend this lynch. Don't worry about being sad though, I'm here to make everything better. | ||
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On April 27 2012 08:16 Snarfs wrote: You never say whether you agree with a BL lynch. Do you? You asked me about him recently? | ||
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Majority of the Town thinks Player A is Scum. Scum knows Player A is innocent, gets on any wagon not involving Player A. When Player A flips Town goes with the "I told you so!" rhetoric. This is why BEFORE Zentor flipped I outlined that no one attacked the case on Mr.Zentor but instead brought up new suspects to divert the wagon. Go ahead and REREAD the thread. If I'm wrong - show me. Show me where anyone had an actual breakdown of the cases on Zentor being wrong instead of "I don't think a Townie would act like this". Saying zentor did nothing that screamed out he is Scum is just comical. | ||
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It's impossible for there to be only 2 Scum in a 13 player set up. | ||
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On April 27 2012 10:11 Radfield wrote: Why do you say that? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++ Am I reading the setup options wrong? Bugs, it having a 2 player scum team one possible setup of a C9++? I've never seen the Goon + Godfather only Scum team in a 13 player setup with no SK. Even accounting for a 1 shot Cop that is a damn hard setup for Scum to win from. On April 27 2012 10:10 Radfield wrote: Look I know the drill, and I've obviously done it before as scum too. I just strongly object the way that you are setting up bluelightz for a Day 3 lynch, based mainly off the fact that he refused to vote for a now confirmed town, and instead searched about for better targets. It's simplistic to say that of the two players NOT voting for Zentor, one of us is scum. It is not far fetched at all for the entire mafia team to pile on Zentor, particularly if we're looking at a two player team. There was no case on Zentor to even attack. No one could dispute his actions, you can only dispute his motivations - were they mafia motivated to mess up a thread, or just a bored trolling townie. That is not something you can debate or attack, you can only state your opinion on the matter. My own are right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14479651 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14479763 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14480050 I analyzed his actions in all my posts and yes you can dispute them. It's exactly what I did. I said even before Zentor flipped and I'll say it again: No one addressed any of the cases, or "people posting about Zentor's actions" if thats what you want to call it. No one. It was just throwing other suspects names out there and saying "I dont think a Townie would do this" which is not the way to convince other players NOT to lynch someone. Really, it's just appearing to defend a guy while not giving a shit. | ||
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On April 27 2012 10:35 Radfield wrote: First two are just you stating Zentor didn't care about defending himself, which he obviously didn't. No one can dispute that(though bluelightz actually tries ).The third has some points, though mainly just conjecture about Zentor's actions. The thing is, bluelightz defended Zentor long before his lynch was assured, and also actually responded to two of your posts that you linked. Eventually he just stops focusing on Zentor as his lynch was pretty much assured, and moves on to looking for scum. A completely appropriate and townie thing to do. He never just barges in and calls everyone stupid for voting an obvious townie, nor does he try to set himself up to look good after Zentor's death. He simply refuses to vote for someone he has a town read on. I don't get why you think that is scummy. Ok let me try this again. BL shows up "defending" Mr.Zentor's lynch long before it happens. However, he never talks about why Zentor must be Town. I don't see it in any of his posts so if they are there show me. It's literally "I dont think a Townie would do this" which isn't a real defense. If he REALLY thinks Zentor is innocent why would he not destroy any of the posts against him? He didn't. This is why I said he comes off as Scum knowing Zentor is innocent ahead of time. He looks like he's defending Zentor but he really isn't. The second bolded doesn't make him Town. "Looking for Scum" is subjective as even Scum can look for Scum. I don't think you are looking at the big picture here. Once again, look at the chain of events the way they went down. Once you showed up with a post on VE, BL shows up with a 19 minutes later with a post calling out a Scum team of VE, Forumite and phagga. His next post after that is calling out Sbrubbles as Scum. He even tries to throw me in there and says me and Sbrubbles must be talking in QT. That's 5 players in not even a quarter of a day that he calls out before Zentor is even flipped and you want to believe he was actually Scum hunting. Seriously this is very simple: If he truly believed Zentor was Town and he is also Town then why would he focus his efforts on calling out 5 other players instead of saving Zentor? He had ample time. He also should know that calling 5 players out isn't going to lead to all of them voting for whoever he thinks is Scum. This was a feigned attempt to look like he was defending a player and attempting to find Scum when he did neither. | ||
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On April 28 2012 00:35 Sbrubbles wrote: I could, but my reads aren't that strong at this point. I'd rather not make a half-baked case and wait until daypost. The only this I found strange in Ace's play was not wanting to talk about other lynch candidades, specifically this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 23:06 Ace wrote: Irrelevant. I'm not answering this because it does nothing to further the game as its just throwing more names out there. Right now what is important is Mr.Zentor and your defense against him. Putting out more scum reads does nothing. But it makes sense if he suspects you, since he is pressuring you to talk. Otherwise, I've agreed with his play and most his reads so far. I almost always keep my reads of other players to myself unless I feel we really are getting no where. When the Zentor lynch was going on I didn't want to bring up other players because that can easily derail the wagon and cause a NL. On April 28 2012 04:38 strongandbig wrote: I postulate that Ace intentionally plays scummy as town so that when he's scum he can play scummy and get away with it. I further postulate that this makes his town play less helpful to the town than it makes his scum play helpful to the scum team. The clear solution is to lynch Ace every game until he shapes up. What about my play is intentionally Scummy? Since you've obviously read the 30 or so games here I've played I'd love to hear it. On April 28 2012 00:13 Sbrubbles wrote: @Ace + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 10:55 Ace wrote: Ok let me try this again. BL shows up "defending" Mr.Zentor's lynch long before it happens. However, he never talks about why Zentor must be Town. I don't see it in any of his posts so if they are there show me. It's literally "I dont think a Townie would do this" which isn't a real defense. If he REALLY thinks Zentor is innocent why would he not destroy any of the posts against him? He didn't. This is why I said he comes off as Scum knowing Zentor is innocent ahead of time. He looks like he's defending Zentor but he really isn't. The second bolded doesn't make him Town. "Looking for Scum" is subjective as even Scum can look for Scum. I don't think you are looking at the big picture here. Once again, look at the chain of events the way they went down. Once you showed up with a post on VE, BL shows up with a 19 minutes later with a post calling out a Scum team of VE, Forumite and phagga. His next post after that is calling out Sbrubbles as Scum. He even tries to throw me in there and says me and Sbrubbles must be talking in QT. That's 5 players in not even a quarter of a day that he calls out before Zentor is even flipped and you want to believe he was actually Scum hunting. Seriously this is very simple: If he truly believed Zentor was Town and he is also Town then why would he focus his efforts on calling out 5 other players instead of saving Zentor? He had ample time. He also should know that calling 5 players out isn't going to lead to all of them voting for whoever he thinks is Scum. This was a feigned attempt to look like he was defending a player and attempting to find Scum when he did neither. I feel like his town Zentor read was a gut read, and, frankly, Zentor himself wasn't resisting the lynch, so it was hard to defend him. I would argue that Bluelightz's intentions were simply to not let the discussion die out. Just because there's a good candidade is in place, it doesn't mean we should cease talking. I don't agree with his reads nor how he pushes them, but I don't think he's scum. He's being erratic, but, unlike Zentor, he's being much more accusative. Even if you don't want the discussion to die out how does accusing so many people in a short amount of time get us anywhere? I've done the same behavior as Scum many times just to get the finger pointing started amongst the Town. On April 28 2012 00:21 Bluelightz wrote: Like I said in my previous post's about this topic: I tried to stop the Zentor train but everyone never bothered to read his meta or believe me. Could you answer my question about Ace? Also, who would list as your top 3 scum candidates? Zentor's meta is irrelevant. If he does scummy things we don't go "thats just his meta" and ignore it. That isn't even a real defense of the guy. Like seriously is anyone fucking reading around here? On one hand we have people saying he tried to keep the discussion going by naming a bunch of other suspects, on the other he says he tried to stop the Zentor train by informing us about his meta. It can't be both. | ||
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On April 28 2012 05:28 Radfield wrote: I think this is an excellent point. I'm at work right now, and may not last the night, but I'm fairly convinced VE is scum. I'm pretty sure that other than defending himself, he has done absolutely nothing for a long time. I'm also not married to my DT check on Ace. His play this game reeks of scum. Give me some deodorant if you're so confident. | ||
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I think when he says "read Zentor's meta, he is Town" you guys count that as a defense when I see it as him just feigning defense and then just pop out 5 names as suspects. Go back, read the case I made. Then go back and read that part of the thread again to see how things progressed. If I'm wrong then show me and we can talk about it. I get the feeling people are literally ignoring my posts and not even trying to see where I'm coming from here. | ||
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On April 28 2012 23:18 Sbrubbles wrote: He didn't, because VE is dead. I'm saying that was their plan. If VE would have lived. Probable but why didn't he begin setting up VE during Night 2 or at the very end of Day 1? There was a lot of discussion going on and VEs name was off the radar. If he wanted to bus VE that would have been the perfect time to remind everyone "hey, VE is still a top suspect". | ||
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On April 29 2012 23:57 Bluelightz wrote: WHERE IS EVERYONE?!?!?!?!?! T_T btw I think Ace is deliberating with his scum mates on how to defend on the pressure (just a guess ><) actually I was out and about all day yesterday. Just woke up from partying but I did read your posts earlier in the morning. I think their rubbish and I'm feeling lazy. Do you want me to respond to them though? | ||
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A known Scum player. Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs. | ||
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I don't think any real town player would have tried to shut down discussion in the way he has. His "focus on the lynch at hand" strategy translated to an attempt to get us not to talk about scumreads during all of day two. This seems to me very much like pushing a subtle mafia agenda, trying to get the town to not think about what it's doing. Even though we all knew Zentor was getting lynched barring something extraordinary happening, there was no good reason not to keep talking about who else might be scum. That is wrong. I always tell the Town to focus on the lynch at hand as we have a way of getting carried away by calling out a bunch of suspects before we secure a lynch. That's been general advice for years and if you want a most recent example you can read the endgame post of Death Factory Mafia 2 that I made. If I have tried to shut down discussion in any other way can you point out the relevant posts that show this? I'm pretty sure I didn't do this so I'd like to see evidence. Extraordinary like what? Someone diverting his wagon to move votes towards someone else? The very thing I kept saying not to happen? If by extraordinary you mean something else then be specific and tell us. If you're going to claim I'm pushing a mafia agenda then tell us what that agenda is and show the posts to back up your assertion. A town isn't just a lynch machine. The essential function of a town is to discuss; to get information out in the public and to get people to post things that can be analyzed. Regarding the town as something that just finds someone to lynch, then finds the next person to lynch, then the next, is an impoverished view that I wouldn't expect to come from a real veteran townie. Additionally, how does Ace expect the town to get information around which to build cases for later days, if he doesn't want us to discuss anything except the "lynch at hand", or the "easy lynch" as Radfield put it? Finally, there's the subjects that Ace actually has discussed. Note that he has never actually put out a read or even an opinion on any of the other veterans in the game; except for some soft accusations toward Radfield, when Radfield started to post his cases on VE. If you look at Ace's filter, he actually accuses Radfield of being scummy by "trying to divert the Zentor bandwagon" with his case on VE. However, Ace never has discussed his opinion on Forumite's play, despite people repeatedly accusing him. Unless I missed it, he's also never commented on whether he thinks I'm scum, or sbrubbles, or anyone at all except for Zentor, Radfield, and Bluelightz. To the first bolded: Where have I pushed that view? Can you show me the posts where I have done that? To the second bolded: That doesn't make me Scum. In just about every game I play I ALWAYS say secure our lynch first, then discuss other suspects. You see it as stifling discussion, I see it as keeping our focus on the task at hand. You can flip it anyway you want but show me the posts after the Zentor lynch was secured that I told the Town to stop talking about suspects. Third bolded: Why does this even matter? I not only keep my reads to myself until I feel the need to share them but I don't care about who is a vet. If there is any Mafia player on this forum that ignores "status" that would be me (except when it comes to me since I'm a GOD). But here I'll ask the simple question: If I ignore other "veteran" players how does this make me Scum? I'd really like to hear your theory on this one. This is from Ace's Mafia Manifesto: Deny information - never give the town a damn thing. Whatever you know keep it yourself unless it furthers your win condition. Don't volunteer it if you don't have to. Don't even talk about it. If you are about to be lynched and the town asks you for information evaluate if you REALLY think it'll save you. It won't? Die without saying a word. Don't talk about anything. Don't talk to anyone unless it's to taunt them and make them emotional. They can't find your allies if you don't give them a clue. Read that and think to yourself, does this or does it not sound like how Ace is playing right now? Sure, that is from my Scum guide. However if you've actually read any of my games as Town or my post game analysis, or even the Town guide written like 4 years ago you'll know I also say to keep the Town on a need to know basis. If you're going to attempt to use something I wrote against me at least make sure it applies to the situation. If this is your case then try harder. Instead of making assumptions and running wild - show the posts with this evidence of me committing these crimes. | ||
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Day 1 Day 1, I had a small suspicion on Ace because he spent roughly half of his day 1 filter with setup speculation which does NOT, help us achieve our win con of destroying all scum one way or the other. Ace, is trying to 'look' like he's contributing but he's not because he is as I quote from Ace's guide (thanks to s&b for referencing this) 'denying information' to town. On his Day 1 vote, in his vote Ace hedges, ALOT. He throws out random reads and spends half his vote post with '@phagga blabla' and then, his vote is only because of a frickin 1 liner. 2 Things: 1.) Radfield was the one who asked me about the setup and I answered his question 2.) It does. Setup speculation is awesome for the Town. See some of the games I've played on here. I speculate on the setup all of the time and find ways to get confirmed Town as quickly as possible. How is that no pro-Town? This day, Ace was being the most scummiest I've found of all the days that have past in this game. First, on this day Ace was 'trying'to shut down Town discussion, he kept on pushing MrZentor for derp reasons. Ace, kept on pushing the relatively easy targets today, and even said that no discussion of other candidates to the lynch was good. This is bad, because if there is no discussion (which scum would like) we would be very confused on who to lynch D3. Ace also, tries to setup for my lynch during the night, even calls me an 'easy target'. Lastly, Ace NEVER, tries to see on ANY possibilities if Zentor was town (Meta for example). Show me the posts where I shut down the Town's discussion. And yes I did go for your lynch ahead of time as I feel like you were #1 Scum as I outlined all of Day 2. How is that Scummy? Explain. To the Red: I did. And I shut it down. I already said his meta is irrelevant. What he did in another game has no bearing on this game if he does things that Scum generally do. These cases are downright pathetic. Put some effort into it. Go dig up some of my posts and get to work if you feel I'm scum. Really this is just fluff. You even admitted you couldn't find any quotes to back up your points. Lots of implying and jumping to conclusions. | ||
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On April 30 2012 02:42 Sbrubbles wrote: Think about this from a different perpective. VE had no idea he was going to die. Everything he said during the night was under the assumption that he was gonna be alive today. Tell me Ace, why did VE make a big case on Rad, who was playing strongly as town, 3 minutes before killing him and confirming him as town? And why add marvelosity to the case? Ace, you're known as a strong town player and I respect you opinion. But you're refusing to put any thought into case and it's starting to look scummy. Actually that is the perspective I'm using. VE has no idea he is going to die - why would he push his scum buddy during THE NIGHT? To the bolded: Look, I can't tell you why VE made a case on Radfield. But adding marvellosity could easily be Scum trying to act like he has a read and throws another player into it trying to make it look legit. I don't think you would find Scum players trying to throw dirt on their scumbuddies during the Night especially if they believe they will live. Why not just wait until the next day to do so? Lets keep it simple here: VE is a known Scum player that had a case on someone. Of all the information in the game that should be labeled unreliable WIFOM isn't this it? Ok lets look it another way if we really believe that VEs "case" on marvell implicates him: it's shaky. So for it to be evidence on marvellosity it should be used in conjunction with some other evidence against him. So besides this VE/marv (calling you this since I picture you as Marv Albert now) is there any other strong evidence against him? Thanks for respecting my opinion though! | ||
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On April 30 2012 02:54 Snarfs wrote: Hey Ace, You think marvel is probably town right? Do you think that this looks like scum jumping on a town wagon: No. You quoted 2 posts hours apart where the first one looks like Forumite responding to prp about marv and the second one agreeing with Sbrubbles about marv and dropping a vote. Looks like a Townie with suspicion hours before, being convinced by a post that confirms his suspicion and he follows it through. Did you read the original way this marv wagon got started with prp calling him out? | ||
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##unvote Blulightz ##vote phagga Come on. | ||
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EVERYONE UNVOTE MARV! HE IS MORE THAN LIKELY TOWN! LOOK, A LURKER POPPED IN AND HAMMERED HIM OUT OF NO WHERE! | ||
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A few minutes before deadline he finally shows up and votes marv with some bs post a few minutes later. what? | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:59 Sbrubbles wrote: Quick, vote someone else, otherwise its a modkill. I dont think he'd be modkilled though since he's obviously here and actually intended to vote :D | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:59 phagga wrote: Ace, I'm always less active on weekends due to family stuff (you can read that up in any game I played), and I wrote twice that was not in reach of a comp for proper analysis and posting. Also, I did not hammer marv, s&b did. Doesn't matter. You were missing the ENTIRE TIME and just so happened to show up near deadline. | ||
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On April 30 2012 07:01 prplhz wrote: Dunno, I've been pretty active since 2.5 hours before deadline. Ace comes in 10 mins before deadline and yells at people who came in 15 mins before deadline. Hilarious/ridiculous. What can I say - I've got an epic flair for the dramatic. On April 30 2012 07:01 strongandbig wrote: Marv has stopped trying and told people to vote him. Where's the "EVERYONE VOTE ZENTOR HE'S NOT TRYING AND TOLD US TO VOTE HIM" "oh well more prize money for us" Ace of yesteryear? that was yesterday. Today is a new day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWfbGGZE07M | ||
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prphlz Forumite strongandbig Ace Bluelightz Sbrubbles phagga 6 of us have posted (albeit low) but at least we know there's some activity. I also think it's a 3 person Scum team setup as I've never seen a 2 man setup in a 13 player game. | ||
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On May 02 2012 18:26 prplhz wrote: funny considering how you voted for him yesterday while yelling scum I didn't want to give him a 3rd vote and let someone hammer him so early into the day. That's all On May 02 2012 21:38 prplhz wrote: i'd say ace was just as good a n1 target as SLJ, if not better. rad was more or less confirmed (scum can just fake dt checks), snarfs literally confirmed (scum can't fake a guy dying). i'm not a huge supporter of ace lynch today but i don't see any reason to call him town. So I'm not doing well this game, but I'd make an awesome Night 1 target? come on :/ | ||
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Phagga had 2 quick votes yesterday when I last posted in the thread, and no one else voted for him. prp caught 3 in the mean time. I know I didn't put a vote on phagga since I didn't want him catching 4 quick votes and people not being around/feigning inactivity to take them off. I think with prp getting those 3 votes that makes him more than likely Town with phagga being more likely Scum. Of course that means we'd have to look at prp's wagon and only 1 of the other 2 voters (take phagga out) can be scum: s&b or Sbrubbles. This is IF you subscribe to my idea that phagga is Scum in this scenario. | ||
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On May 03 2012 04:24 prplhz wrote: lolol scum would shoot you n1 because no medic/jailer in their right mind would protect you. i'm conjecturing that you're intentionally playing badly to avoid suspicion when you survive too long (which is actually kind of good play which makes more sense considering that you're a god of mafia) if you end up in 2v1 and ace is alive then you kill him Hey - being alive isn't a scum tell | ||
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I found phagga suspicious based on his actions at the end of the last lynch. I think that its very suspect for someone to show up at the end of the day for a vote when they were missing for all of the 48 hours where discussion took place. As much as prp has been throwing accusations around, I find phagga's action far more incriminating. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:40 prplhz wrote: ace what are your thoughts on this? on what specifically? The no lynch or him voting for himself? | ||
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Anyway phagga voting for himself tells us nothing. Doesn't matter what his alignment is as he had ample time to change his vote. This isn't instant majority lynch so he was safe either way. | ||
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Also lets not play the result - them being town doesn't disprove the fact that people did brush my posts off. I'm not feeling indignant though but see what you want. *shrug* | ||
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On May 06 2012 07:17 Forumite wrote: Sorry for messing with you prplhz =/ GG Town, a real nailbiter. I was getting really nervous when BL and then others started calling me and Ace scummy, especially S&B who pointed out the last scum last night. like I said it doesn't matter. They can name the whole Scum team Day 1 for all I care. | ||
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On May 06 2012 08:01 strongandbig wrote: I'm just glad Ace really was scum and I'm not just insane. Didn't catch on to forumite until far too late though. I was too blinded by that whole prplhz thing. If you read the Scum QT I drop a lot of gems about manipulating situations in there. A few times I said even if I get lynched we'll set Forumite up to look good for endgame or prphlz to look bad. But people don't realize that there was so much subtle manipulation going on and think we just slept our way to victory. | ||
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On May 06 2012 08:23 Xatalos wrote: Nice, the MafiaQT actually made me think Mafia deserved to win this (rather than merely town deserving to lose this, haha...). Ace was useless in the thread but very calm and logical in MafiaQT. I still think you could have played less suspicious-looking, but oh well, it worked, so... If I'm suspicious for 3 straight days, and one of the top people pushing my Scum lynch (Bluelightz) eventually turns around and says I'm Town - I don't know how that is useless | ||
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On May 06 2012 10:34 Bluelightz wrote: Oh well  , at least I played better :p.Good play ace, good play :p Did I play better? I'd say you did. You were up for a NK choice or in the discussion multiple times. That's a pretty good sign. | ||
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