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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 01 2012 19:59 GMT
#931
also, i'm not really sure about strongandbig anymore maybe we should lynch phagga instead
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 01 2012 20:19 GMT
#933
well

##Unvote strongandbig
##Vote phagga
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 09:26 GMT
#947
On May 02 2012 07:30 Ace wrote:
Well I'm sure not gonna vote for phagga now

prphlz how come you jump to conclusions so fast?!

funny considering how you voted for him yesterday while yelling scum
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#949
@Bluelightz Forumite is probably town.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 11:03 GMT
#950
Case on phagga: Day3 we didn't really have a lynch and yet he chose to show up only 10 minutes before the lynch and then he just voted for whoever had the most votes (and this was after this guy had told people to vote for him). This isn't very townie 'cause a townie would care more about the lynch, looks like phagga didn't care much as long as we just lynched somebody. Look at everybody else.

There were more people who didn't give a fuck about the lynch and that sucks for town and you guys suck (jk <3 u).

There's more to this but my head feels like it's twice its normal size so you'll have to excuse me. strongandbig's filter has some noncontributions and he was wobbling quite a bit on VisceraEyes even though he had strong opinions on most everybody else, but there are also quite some flashes of genuinely wanting to help town and thinking hard and being open minded about things so he's off for now.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 12:09 GMT
#958
no you don't sound mean at all phagga <3

also, i did look at your filter

@bluelightz i don't know why you insist on ace being town, he himself claims that he's a "god of mafia" but have you seen him do anything townie this game? why did you think that radfield was town? because he played really well, and that's what good players should be judged by. ace is not doing well at all this game. unless he is scum.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 12:14 GMT
#960
there are only two scum left and the one who flipped was a goon.

there's no roleblocker (since nobody was blocked yet) so there is either a framer or a godfather.

so it's 50% chance that ace would show up as town when checked even if he is scum, which makes the check pretty useless.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 12:18 GMT
#961
scum shot SLJ because they thought he wouldn't be medic protected and he's quite good at this game

scum shot radfield because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game

scum shot snarfs because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game (except his case on me but he was coming around)

scum didn't shoot ace even though he's "confirmed town" through a check and he's quite good at this game

doesn't add up to me
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 12:38 GMT
#963
i'd say ace was just as good a n1 target as SLJ, if not better. rad was more or less confirmed (scum can just fake dt checks), snarfs literally confirmed (scum can't fake a guy dying). i'm not a huge supporter of ace lynch today but i don't see any reason to call him town.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 13:27 GMT
#966
lol bluelightz do what radfield asked you to and find one scum at a time. your conspiracy theories only serve to confuse yourself.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 15:10 GMT
#969
you can't judge somebody's alignment by somebody else's actions bluelightz because scum will deliberately try to confuse you. look how it went with the marvellosity case, ve made a case on marvellosity and then people lynched him off of that, just goes to show that you can't trust scum. the only thing that matters for somebody's alignment is their own actions, what they say and do themselves.

this is another reason that [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14548768] this post was so bad, ace is not voting phagga because of something that i did. that post is bad on so many levels that ace has to be trolling this game.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 15:11 GMT
#970
woops misformated url: here you go
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 16:00 GMT
#978
he didn't explain how everything made more sense from a scum mindset, he explained how everything could make sense form a scum perspective.

it's really silly to think that everything scum does is intentionally trying to further scum agenda which, snarfs was trying to show. that's very often not necessary and scum will try more to stay out of the spotlight than try to disrupt anything.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 19:19 GMT
#983
On May 03 2012 03:13 strongandbig wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Purplehaze's first defense post] +

On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
My cases are always short and always weak, that's probably one of the reasons nobody ever listens to me. I could mention my case on MrZentor in Death Factory Mafia 2, you can go read that. It's a more wordy version of the case I have on strongandbig right now but it's pretty much the same. Or you can look at the case I made on Artanis[Xp] in TL Mafia LVI, that was equally "weak". You can also look at how I just dismiss Artanis[Xp]'s defense in that game, I'm pretty sure he is scum and I don't want to argue shit with him. I know my case is "weak" because I can't really explain it any more to you than what I've already done. The most important thing I'm doing is that I'm pointing out that he is scum and telling you to read his filter and then that should convince.

This isn't a real argument. prplhz is saying "I'm not making weak cases because I'm scummy, I'm making weak cases because that's what I always do. BTW guys he's scum."

That doesn't actually explain why the cases are weak. Basically, this is a perfect way for mafia to hide; if you never have to make a real case on anyone because you just don't ever make real cases on anyone, then people can't suspect you for not ever making actual cases on anyone.
what, how is that not valid? recently i made a lot of these weak cases as scum so clearly it's not a sign of me being mafia. how is that not valid?


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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm also perfectly aware that my day1 and day2 were ruined by some guy who decided to make those a horrible experience for me by demonstratively being a douchebag. That's also why I had a break day2, I couldn't read one more of his posts after the "Why are you even playing this game?" post so I took some time off of teamliquid.net.


This is impossible to verify.
yea it is. hard to verify anything in a mafia game. mafia is not as much about truth as it is about likelyhood. how would you feel if i told you right now "you are so dumb that you should stop playing mafia altogether" even though i had made it very clear that i was annoyed by that kind of behavior? i know that i felt like not wanting to play mafia altogether. do you in any way think that these kinds of frustration can be faked by scum? do you think that scum says to himself "i'm going to tunnel a townie for 2 days in a row and then leave the game and cite frustrations because that would make everybody think that i'm town"? if there's any obs qt activity right now they would be screaming that i'm town.


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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
All I can say is that I'm pretty sure that strongandbig is scum and now I'm pushing it as hard as I can.


lol. "the important part is where I say he smells like scum."
lol. "lol. "the important part is where I say he smells like scum.""

seriously. you are grasping for straws here when you're attacking something that is clearly not meant as anything (other than hinting that my read is gutty).

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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
As for the "he's trying to set up day2 lynch", why is that even scum? I'm never trying to ruin discussion (and we have always had plenty of time for that even though he didn't use it all that well), I was telling Radfield that we were lynching MrZentor as a way of pushing MrZentor. I didn't want people to leave his lynch and if I didn't fight for it then it might not happen.


This is patently false. There was no need to push the Zentor lynch so hard; the bandwagon was moving.
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so you have never seen radfield tell people who to lynch and then just have people follow it blindly? i remember my first game with radfield where he actually saved me by coming into the thread 2 hours before deadline without having any prior thread presence, making a short case, and then having everybody shift to that guy so he was lynched over me. radfield is a pretty persuasive guy.

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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
Even though you are really tunneling me right here you played a pretty good game, I was absolutely sure that you were town even before your shot on VisceraEyes and that shot was also really nice.


Sucking up to people attacking you seems pretty scummy to me.
lol, say a nice thing and you're sucking up. i told bluelightz that he was playing well too and he wasn't attacking me at all. good town atmosphere is good because it makes the game more fun to play in my opinion, do you honestly think that i thought that i could make snarfs drop the case on me just by complimenting him?

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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
For people reading Snarfs' case on me, don't ask yourself "Is this scum?", because you can always find a way to spin something as scummy (which Snarfs shows quite skillfully in his analysis of me), you should ask yourself "Is this something scum is likely to do?" and then you should read my filter. And ask me questions 'cause I'm around.


The WIFOM defense. He can't be scum, because scum wouldn't do that! If it's scummy then it's scummy then it's scummy then lynch it.
WIFOM is the dumbest concept in this game. everything anybody ever says can be considered WIFOM, as i said before, this game isn't about facts but about likelyhood. assume what is likely, don't just say that something is irrelevant because of WIFOM.




+ Show Spoiler [Purplehaze's second defense post] +

On May 01 2012 05:28 prplhz wrote:
strongandbig made false contributions, marvellosity was very blunt in his opinions. Really, it's not just what they said 'cause people say tons of shit all the time, it's the way they said it. When I say that strongandbig's filter is empty then I don't mean that if you click it then no posts show up, I mean that all his posts are pretty useless and it looks like he's just skirting by. It's gutty and we can lynch phagga instead if you want to but my gut tells me that strongandbig is the way to go. I wasn't perfectly sure about marvellosity's innocence until he said, at 4 votes and a bunch of people in the lurk, "people, just lynch me" because scum would never ever say stuff like that, it's too dangerous especially when there are lurkers about.


Pretty sure Zentor said that same stuff. He just was more of a dick about it. We were even talking in the thread about how giving up like that can be a scum tell.
Anyway this is a bunch of unwarranted assertions with no evidence, which aren't actually true. He eventually admits his read on me is a gut read too.e
so what about zentor? in the end i wasn't even that sure he was scum but i just wanted him out of the game so i could focus, and you know, maybe he'd flip scum. i don't care what the fuck somebody did in relation to somebody else, what was i clearly trying to do with marvellosity? i was clearly trying to save a town, i was trying to organize a no-lynch and make sure that nobody would be dissatisfied with it. read the thread and this is what you will see. i try to make snarfs and sbrubbles and forumite come around with a very logical and behavioral argument that i think was 100% sure but i didn't want another no-lynch fiasco so i needed the people thinking marvellosity was scum on board. scum don't tell people to lynch them in that situation, they just don't. only town would ever have anything to gain from that. now you can dismiss this with WIFOM and then i'll write a case on you and dismiss every townie thing you did as WIFOM too, because that's the magic of WIFOM, you can use it to ruin everything if you're not careful.


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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
"But how do you know that there are lurkers about?" there are always people coming in close to deadline. Even though 2.5 hours before was cutting it a little short for a vote-switch, just see how many people showed up (and later than me), we could easily have succeeded!

I'm pretty pissed that you and Forumite and Sbrubbles weren't sufficiently around to agree to a no-lynch, or even a switch to someone else because that would have helped us a lot.


See Snarf's post (the part I quoted) for the explanation of why a no-lynch is better for scum than a mislynch.
i didn't even read that post because that's not true. of course a mislynch is better than a no-lynch for scum, unless the person was causing a HUGE kerfuffle and marvellosity wasn't, and they'd never think otherwise.

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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
I wasn't around day2? I was around in the beginning to secure the lynch and then I took a break. I was around again day3.


See above. Excuses for lurking = scummy imo.
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calling it an excuse sounds biased. it was an explanation. now you can judge whether you believe it or not, could scum really fake this kind of frustration? what scummy interest could i really have in not being around for a day? i've been very vocal and active all game through, why the hell would i shake in my pants at being around day2? would scum ever think to themselves "i'll just go away for a day and then come up with a weird excuse and people will probably never think i'm scum for this". don't say "WIFOM", actually think about this. i'm almost as townie as bluelightz.

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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
No, I'm not going to tell you why I was very sure that you were town. I'm not blue or anything it was just how you appeared to me in the thread.


More gut reads with no evidence or assertions or anything. Great for scum, since their town gut reads never have to be wrong!
yea whatever.

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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
marvellosity was mislynched and I unvoted with him at 6 votes. I was a little conflicted about this because I thought people might yell at me for ultimately voting for a guy who I was simultaneously saying was town, but when I saw that his lynch was secure I unvoted him.


Admits that he changes his actions based on what will get him criticized the least.
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lol so what? do you think townies have any reason to want to get yelled at for no reason? look at my filter, do you think i have in any way during this game changed my actions otherwise based on what will get me criticized the least? why was i so afraid of a totally irrelevant vote (yes, that vote was totally irrelevant to the game) when i have been very much out there all game long with dumb gut reads and whatnot?


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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
If you read the thread you can see me ask you three people who wanted to lynch him to take care of business and brow beat people into doing whatever you felt like, even though I prefer lynches to no-lynches it's not really me who should be trying to secure it when I'm quite sure it's a mislynch.


This doesn't make sense.
didn't read what you quoted but: yes it does. okay now i did read it, you are actually saying that it would be townie behavior to actively try to secure a mislynch but i'll have to disagree with this. it would be really hard for me to make myself work to secure a mislynch. what did i work for? i tried to prevent a mislynch.


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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
There was no desperation, and how would desperation even be scummy?


The "desperation" is in the fact that the case just doesn't exist. I "smell scummy to you"? Really, you just picked me out of a fucking hat. That's how serious your "case" seems.
didn't pick you out of a hat but even if you think so, scum don't tend to pick people out of hats because that tends to get them into trouble and they don't want to get into trouble. this isn't WIFOM (nothing is), you pick people out of a hat, you get into trouble (i'm exhibit A). only people who have anything to gain by pushing gut reads are townies because they might lynch a scum. i also provided a more "hands on" arguments in thread by now but you have ignored those for some reason.


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On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
Why would I, in your words, be "desperate" and make up a "weak case" that I would "have to follow" when a mislynch was coming up? Why would I up to the deadline say "this guy is really town, look at him and the stuff he is saying" and try to convince you three of a no-lynch (you were the reason we mislynched, a mislynch is only preferable if people think that the person is actually scum). Really, I was doing what was best for town and while you say that 2.5 hours before deadline is a little late, look when everybody else came in. Even later.



Now, let me talk about what he hasn't responded to at all in Snarf's case.
already explained this, snarfs' analysis proved that i am not playing very well, but he concluded that i am scum. i can't do anything about that.


- There's the fact that puprlehaze combined a defense of VE and a push to keep Radfield from talking about non-Zentor lynch candidates, in the same post.

- There's the random jumping around between lynch targets on Day 3.

- There's the random jumping to Phagga as a lynch target today, too.

Seriously, his whole filter is basically "pick someone random (me in this case) and tunnel them for no reason" combined with "but also randomly throw in votes and accusations at basically everyone else without ever explaining any reasons for those either."

this is not really what i have done but, do you in any way think that scum would ever think "i am going to pick someone random (me in this case) and tunnel them for no reason but also randomly throw in votes and accusations at basically everyone else without ever explaining any reasons for those either"? no this is not WIFOM, it's clearly more likely that town would end up doing stuff like this (inadvertently!).
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 19:24 GMT
#984
On May 03 2012 04:04 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 18:26 prplhz wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:30 Ace wrote:
Well I'm sure not gonna vote for phagga now

prphlz how come you jump to conclusions so fast?!

funny considering how you voted for him yesterday while yelling scum


I didn't want to give him a 3rd vote and let someone hammer him so early into the day. That's all


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On May 02 2012 21:38 prplhz wrote:
i'd say ace was just as good a n1 target as SLJ, if not better. rad was more or less confirmed (scum can just fake dt checks), snarfs literally confirmed (scum can't fake a guy dying). i'm not a huge supporter of ace lynch today but i don't see any reason to call him town.


So I'm not doing well this game, but I'd make an awesome Night 1 target? come on :/
lolol scum would shoot you n1 because no medic/jailer in their right mind would protect you. i'm conjecturing that you're intentionally playing badly to avoid suspicion when you survive too long (which is actually kind of good play which makes more sense considering that you're a god of mafia)

if you end up in 2v1 and ace is alive then you kill him
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 20:41 GMT
#992
ROFL bluelightz is not going to be around for deadline 'cause it's not in his timezone which means that we're going to no lynch now unless s&b or sbrubbles switches
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 20:47 GMT
#994
DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION

if you're just going to tunnel the same guy again tomorrow then get it over with

if you're going to change your mind then no-lynch
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 20:48 GMT
#995
and most likely, you're going to want to lynch the same guy again tomorrow
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 21:11 GMT
#996
lol people need to get a lot more active this is horrible
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 02 2012 21:48 GMT
#1001
meh
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