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On April 30 2012 20:09 Bluelightz wrote:
Bleh. Ace, youve run out of easy targets plz make a fucking case?
I don't think your scum any more.
I really want to utterly destory brubbles but I guess I didnt defend marv I guess :/.
mind = clusterfuck.
I really think that lynching into marv voters today would net us a scum but idk anymore.
We're lynching strongandbig tomorrow. You should read his filter and convince yourself that he is scum before he flips.
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The most important part is where I point out how he "smells like scum".
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To all of you people who don't really know who you think is scum: Just find someone who is town (that would be me) and then sheep him 'cause, you know, he (I) might just be (am) right.
I'm not really good at writing cases, the last two cases I wrote on scum in Death Factory Mafia 2 and in TL Mafia LVI were both ignored by everybody, that's just how it is.
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Anything in there you want me to respond to?
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On May 01 2012 03:30 Ace wrote:
Show the proof Snarfs, you know the deal about just throwing theories around.
Like you showed the proof of MrZentor being scum?
I could conceivably get on board an Ace lynch since day2. I was trying to stall it a bit because I thought he'd get shot at night but there's no way in hell that scum is going to shoot this.
Also, I'm writing a response Snarfs whether you want it or not.
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It would be a lot faster to write a response if you didn't just point out everything single thing I did this game and then say "this is scum". But that is also a pretty good defense, do you really think that scum would consistently and intentionally do scummy things all the way through a game?
And no more of this "that's what they want you to believe!" bullshit, that's the first time I've seen that sentiment this strong and it's permeating every thought of every townie right now. Stop it.
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On May 01 2012 03:46 Ace wrote:
I showed my proof of Zentor being Scum with quotes to back it up. I don't just start throwing everyone's name around like some people around here.
"my proof"
"my proof"
Sounds like you couldn't bring yourself to say "a proof" or "the proof". A proof is a process that establishes truth, but the only truths in a mafia game are the flips. Apparently you meant "evidence" or "quotes".
So you don't throw everyone's names around? You know what else you don't? Anything. It's day4 and a self proclaimed "God of mafia" hasn't done anything yet. What the fuck.
Also, inb4 Snarfs says "now they're bussing each other". That's another case of conclusions before analysis that his entire case on me is very burdened with.
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Okay I tried writing a response to your case Snarfs but it's so infected with "conclusion before analysis" and I don't want to write an equally big defense where I saw "well, look at this from a neutral point of view for a moment please" every time you call me scum.
My cases are always short and always weak, that's probably one of the reasons nobody ever listens to me. I could mention my case on MrZentor in Death Factory Mafia 2, you can go read that. It's a more wordy version of the case I have on strongandbig right now but it's pretty much the same. Or you can look at the case I made on Artanis[Xp] in TL Mafia LVI, that was equally "weak". You can also look at how I just dismiss Artanis[Xp]'s defense in that game, I'm pretty sure he is scum and I don't want to argue shit with him. I know my case is "weak" because I can't really explain it any more to you than what I've already done. The most important thing I'm doing is that I'm pointing out that he is scum and telling you to read his filter and then that should convince.
I'm also perfectly aware that my day1 and day2 were ruined by some guy who decided to make those a horrible experience for me by demonstratively being a douchebag. That's also why I had a break day2, I couldn't read one more of his posts after the "Why are you even playing this game?" post so I took some time off of teamliquid.net. All I can say is that I'm pretty sure that strongandbig is scum and now I'm pushing it as hard as I can.
As for the "he's trying to set up day2 lynch", why is that even scum? I'm never trying to ruin discussion (and we have always had plenty of time for that even though he didn't use it all that well), I was telling Radfield that we were lynching MrZentor as a way of pushing MrZentor. I didn't want people to leave his lynch and if I didn't fight for it then it might not happen.
Even though you are really tunneling me right here you played a pretty good game, I was absolutely sure that you were town even before your shot on VisceraEyes and that shot was also really nice.
For people reading Snarfs' case on me, don't ask yourself "Is this scum?", because you can always find a way to spin something as scummy (which Snarfs shows quite skillfully in his analysis of me), you should ask yourself "Is this something scum is likely to do?" and then you should read my filter. And ask me questions 'cause I'm around.
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strongandbig made false contributions, marvellosity was very blunt in his opinions. Really, it's not just what they said 'cause people say tons of shit all the time, it's the way they said it. When I say that strongandbig's filter is empty then I don't mean that if you click it then no posts show up, I mean that all his posts are pretty useless and it looks like he's just skirting by. It's gutty and we can lynch phagga instead if you want to but my gut tells me that strongandbig is the way to go. I wasn't perfectly sure about marvellosity's innocence until he said, at 4 votes and a bunch of people in the lurk, "people, just lynch me" because scum would never ever say stuff like that, it's too dangerous especially when there are lurkers about.
"But how do you know that there are lurkers about?" there are always people coming in close to deadline. Even though 2.5 hours before was cutting it a little short for a vote-switch, just see how many people showed up (and later than me), we could easily have succeeded!
I'm pretty pissed that you and Forumite and Sbrubbles weren't sufficiently around to agree to a no-lynch, or even a switch to someone else because that would have helped us a lot.
I wasn't around day2? I was around in the beginning to secure the lynch and then I took a break. I was around again day3.
No, I'm not going to tell you why I was very sure that you were town. I'm not blue or anything it was just how you appeared to me in the thread.
marvellosity was mislynched and I unvoted with him at 6 votes. I was a little conflicted about this because I thought people might yell at me for ultimately voting for a guy who I was simultaneously saying was town, but when I saw that his lynch was secure I unvoted him. If you read the thread you can see me ask you three people who wanted to lynch him to take care of business and brow beat people into doing whatever you felt like, even though I prefer lynches to no-lynches it's not really me who should be trying to secure it when I'm quite sure it's a mislynch.
There was no desperation, and how would desperation even be scummy? Why would I, in your words, be "desperate" and make up a "weak case" that I would "have to follow" when a mislynch was coming up? Why would I up to the deadline say "this guy is really town, look at him and the stuff he is saying" and try to convince you three of a no-lynch (you were the reason we mislynched, a mislynch is only preferable if people think that the person is actually scum). Really, I was doing what was best for town and while you say that 2.5 hours before deadline is a little late, look when everybody else came in. Even later.
There's really a lot of information to gain at a deadline and that's sometimes when you get really sure of stuff. I hope we can have a better deadline next time. (not setting up for a vote-switch from scumbuddy strongandbig or whatever you might spin on this)
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If I hadn't unvoted you people would have asked me "Why didn't you unvote?".
Really.
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It's totally irrelevant whether or not I voted or unvoted, I was instrumental in securing the lynch as I told you I would, and at the same time I was pointing out how it was a mislynch and trying to get you people to come around. Read the thread and that is what you will see. It doesn't matter at all whether or not I voted or unvoted because it would not have mattered at all and I was very aware of that fact.
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In this game Ace isn't enjoying his champagne but his strawberry yoohoo.
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Lets get down to business.
##Vote strongandbig
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If you don't think that Snarfs was coming around then I don't know what thread you've been reading.
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After my "Try to read from neutral POV" defense he cut down his case dramatically and he never responded to my last messages. Don't you think that if his case was so strong as he indicated in it ("I'd shoot him right now!") then he'd have his arguments in order to quickly respond to me in a decisive manner? He obviously felt less sure about it and then he probably decided to leave it to the rest of town. He had already shot one scum.
So yes, he was coming around, he wasn't all "shoot prplhz in the face" when he died.
Everybody needs to show up.
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On May 01 2012 09:20 Ace wrote:
I dont know how a post in big red letters accusing you of Scum is undercut by future posts where he isn't flaming around. Meh w/e.
Jesus.
This post is Ace saying "Snarfs thinks that prplhz is scum", which might be right and might not be right but it's totally irrelevant. He keeps saying "Where's the case? Where's the proof? Where are the quotes?", but he isn't presenting anything here, he's just slandering me by saying that a confirmed townie thought that I was scum to enforce the idea that I'm scum.
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Unlike your general behavior.
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hey guys my brain doesn't work today i'll post tomorrow sorry
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