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On April 26 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote: I wouldn't lynch anyone besides the guy who is playing a lot more scummy than anyone else. Sigh, you're doing an amazing job at sheeping Ace. | ||
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On April 26 2012 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Alright. Ask me a specific question and I will do my best to answer it. I just see no point in answering the "besides the scummy guy, who would you lynch?", because... we lynch the scummy guy. Fine, let me rephrase the question. Besides, MrZentor, who do you think is scum? I'm not trying to suggest we switch lynches today. I'm just trying to see some of your original thoughts. | ||
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On April 26 2012 02:07 marvellosity wrote: That's the same question, I understand you weren't suggesting we switch lynches for today. But, nonetheless - I was somewhat irritated by Radfield's cop claim, as realistically for now I think it has to be accepted it. But there has been something off about his posts. This was directed at Bluelightz, but I'm linking it as relevant to what he thinks townies should be doing. Mini jab at Zentor, ok. Now Zentor seems townie because of his faux-case at the start of Day 1. I dislike this "above and beyond what I would expect of a mafia player". Mafia players as a tendency don't simply play to people's expectations, otherwise they'd be easier to find. I just don't understand this. Strongly townie aligned by a non-case followed by incessant trolling? What? This is still bullshit to me. The case on Zentor is that he's been scummy and not playing pro-town, therefore he is town? Crap reasoning. Here I would remind you of the quote from earlier, how Radfield would want townie to play: How does this hold up to his opinion on Zentor in any way? It doesn't. Just going through filter I find it amazing how many times he's defended Zentor because he's been playing too trolly/confident - despite it being the opposite of what he expects a good townie to be doing. Thank you. This is actually really helpful for town (whether you're town or scum), and it both echoes some concerns I've had about Radfield, as well as brings up some new ones. My main question is this: Why is Radfield more concerned with telling us how innocent MrZentor is than pushing an alternative target who he thinks might actually be scum? It seems so scum-motivated. But, I agree that we have to give his claim the benefit of the doubt and see what he can come up with for reads tonight. If he is lying it will bite him in the ass later so I'm trying to focus my attention elsewhere for now. | ||
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On April 26 2012 02:37 strongandbig wrote: Also for some reason every time I try to preview this post the bolding on Ace and VE's names doesn't show up. Hopefully it will show up in the actual post but if it doesn't, just mentally bold it for me. + Show Spoiler [Offtopic] + There are some Bluelightz quotes in there which are missing the closing bracket on the [ /b ] tag. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:52 MrZentor wrote: 1. I'll wait for around another 20 hours max for the masons. Time's up. | ||
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On April 26 2012 06:06 Ace wrote: Don't tell me you actually believed him hahahaha Can't say I didn't expect more effort (from scum or town). | ||
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On April 27 2012 07:49 Radfield wrote: A shocking turn of events. Perhaps now we can focus on actual candidates. If anyone mentions lynching bluelightz tomorrow(our other easy lynch) I'm going to be very sad. Time to go in depth on Phagga. + Show Spoiler + I saw your posts Phagga, and I wasn't ignoring you. I've just been short of time to put in the legwork necessary to go beyond an initial bare bones scum-read. I think you'll find a few jabs at Bluelightz in phagga's filter. This is like, the best game I've seen Bluelightz play in. | ||
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On April 27 2012 07:58 Ace wrote: Nice to know you've been keeping up Radfield! So why didn't you comment on Bluelightz ignoring the case on Zentor and throwing suspects out like a water cannon before? And yes he is the easy lynch for tomorrow. You never say whether you agree with a BL lynch. Do you? | ||
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On April 27 2012 08:34 Forumite wrote: Snarfs, what is your opinion on Sbrubbles? Have you played with him before? I've played with him once before in DFM2. I think he's town, probably one of the least suspicious people in my opinion. He hasn't posted a lot, but I don't think that that's a scumtell. When he has posted, he's made it clear what his opinions are on certain people. He's called out people he thought were suspicious, for good reasons, even when there was no attention directed towards them, which has made him stand out in a good way. That and I agree with lots of what he's saying. I wish he would post more, but that's honestly my only complaint so far with his play. | ||
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 I don't think I did, but it doesn't matter, you answered Radfield which answered me! | ||
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On April 27 2012 10:02 Radfield wrote: This is some weak weak sauce Snarfs. I have been trying to find scum too, and Zentor impinged not one bit on my abilities to do so. Why is VE at the top of your scum list? Who else do you see as scum right now? Who is unlynchablely town in your eyes(and why)? On April 27 2012 08:12 Radfield wrote: A bluelightz lynch will get us no more info than a zentor lynch did. Ask yourself Ace, have we really learned anything from lynching Zentor? Almost every mislynch you learn a tremendous amount of information... unless of course you pick some weak townie who's hardly playing and everyone piles on. There is going to be very little to discern scum from town on the zentor wagon(though I imagine scum were not the ones pushing hard for his lynch). Please don't try and undermine my saying something that you completely agree with. MrZentor provided an extremely easy wagon for scum to do whatever the hell they wanted with. VE is at the top of my list because: A) I find everyone voting for a mislynch day 1 suspicious B) I found VE's not voting particularly suspicious because he said that he would be fine lynching marv until your conveniently placed idea (convenient from his point of view) C) I still have no idea why he is so much more convinced that Sbrubbles is more scummy than phagga or marv or Ace D) His level of care for this game seems about 1/4 what I would expect from a town-VE I'm also highly considering Ace as scum because of his attempt to setup Bluelightz for tomorrow which I think is absolutely ridiculous. The only thing he has going for him, in my opinion, is the green check which you made on him. Zentor was an easy lynch, day 1 was an easy no-lynch, and Bluelightz is always an easy target for scum to throw suspicion on. I would also consider one of marv/phagga/sbrubbles scum, but their play needs to be scrutinized more closely before I can definitely place them. However, sbrubbles would be most likely to be town out of that group, marv/phagga is still a tossup for me. I wouldn't lynch yourself, prplhz, or Forumite. prplhz and Forumite because they went after MrZentor extremely hard the entire game and I don't think scum would do that because it looks terrible when he flips town. You, because you're trying hard to find scum... and the whole cop thing. That leaves Bluelightz and strongandbig. strongandbig's probably town and Bluelightz is actually putting in a lot of effort this game so I'd keep him around because if he's scum he'll crumble when his scumbuddy/ies start dying. Anything else?  | ||
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On April 27 2012 10:51 marvellosity wrote: I disagree with this line of reasoning. Going after Zentor hard this game has been a very easy thing to do and him flipping town is almost irrelevant to this after the content of his posts. That's a good point. I'm going to go back later tonight/tomorrow and check the timings of the prods/attacks and see if I get a different feeling. From what I recall though, they both seemed to attack him pretty early and pushed for his lynched quite hard day 1 which, if it had been successful, would have put them in the spotlight quite dramatically. | ||
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On April 27 2012 11:01 Radfield wrote: Does anyone disagree with my setup assessment? With zero claimed roleblocks and no SK, I think we can safely assume that we have 1 goon 1 godfather and 1 power role. I don't like putting too much weight into setup speculation. Bugs is neither going to confirm nor deny how many scum we have. Whether we have 2 or 3 mafia, we still need to start by lynching 2. | ||
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On April 27 2012 16:10 Bluelightz wrote: @Snarfs could I have your reason on why sbrubbles is more liely to be town? This quote only makes sense from scum if they're planning on fake-claiming mason. Otherwise, they are encouraging dt checks into their own group: If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. This quote here shows some actual attempt at scum hunting, trying to discern prplhz's alignment: Prplhz, you're being pretty quiet, which is a bit strange considering your early hustle with MrZentor. Forumite made a case on him and wants him lynched; can you comment on it? What do you think of MrZentor? Would you vote for him? Again, he tries to figure out the alignment of another player: Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now.... His next post, here, is again trying to push Radfield and VisceraEyes. I read it as a clear attempt to gauge the play of these to players. Nothing about it seems faked. This post, here, again, although he is voting for MrZentor, he is attempting to find more scum. He is questioning VE and marvellosity, not just content to lynch the now known town, MrZentor. Finally, here he is willing to switch his vote from MrZentor to VE. Why would scum care about that if they already know MrZentor is town? On April 26 2012 21:15 Sbrubbles wrote: Actually no you didn't. You didn't answer my question at all. I'm not sure you even READ it. Let me rephrase it for you. Radfield's post: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches. Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either. However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count. I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again). Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town? Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight. Notice how it says nothing about either 1) marv's meta, 2) marv's innocence, 3) marv's previous games or 4) prefering a no-lynch to lynching someone. In fact, he even considers lynching marv as an option, though he changes his mind later. He didn't "feel like forcing through a mediocre candidade", but that only means he didn't want to be the one pushing for marv. How can someone saying "I'm fine with a marvellosity lynch" lead you to rethinking about lynching him??? + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. Also, I DID comment on MrZentor. You're the one not reading through the thread. But here's a hint for you. ##unvote MrZentor ##vote VisceraEyes I'll go back to MrZentor if it's necessary for a majority. All these things lead me to believe quite reasonably that sbrubbles is town. | ||
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On April 27 2012 17:21 Bluelightz wrote: Snarfs, the 'Sbrubbles is scumhunting' quotes are first, getting someone else's opinion on stuff(Like what im doin with asking you on why you think brubbles is town), second quote, brubbles could just be really throwing random reads to 'look' like he's contributing. Anyway, rethinking brubbles I guess. Sure, anyone could always just be throwing random reads to look like they're contributing. But that's not how I see it. Some things I pointed out might not be as much of a town-tell as the others, the parts you pointed out being some of the weaker. Look at the whole picture though. WHY, as scum, would I tell dts to check me and my mafia buddies if they think I'm suspicious? Why, as scum, would I care about possibly changing my vote from MrZentor, a town who is very easy to lynch, to VisceraEyes? These things don't add up, in my opinion. | ||
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On April 27 2012 17:32 phagga wrote: prplhz: He is suspicious at least. Had Zentor turned scum, he would have been semi-confirmed town after tunneling him so hard. Now it's possible he just used it as an excuse to not participate in scum hunting D2. He voted Snarfs on D1 without any reason after attacking Zentor already. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 00:52 prplhz wrote: "being scum" is a pretty good reason for lynching people but I don't know if anybody is scum. I think that his defense of MrZentor was really weird and he's no where near as active as I'd like him to be. I don't want to lynch him as much as I want to lynch MrZentor right now but I think that a lot of people still need to speak up before I can make my mind up. MrZentor is the best thing right now in my opinion but I don't think it's bulletproof at all. On April 24 2012 01:36 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Snarfs On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: Yea I'm against Radfield/Ace/SamuelLJackson lynches too, lets stop even discussing them. 90 minutes until lynch, I'll be here up until deadline (horay eurofriendly deadlines!) Honestly, if I had a gun I'd shoot MrZentor. His initial aggression seems fake to me and he's pretty much quit this game and apparently doesn't want to be a part of the lynch. It's just too much bullshit and I see no explanation for this. I think he should be our go-to-lynch today. @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. prplhz, you never explained why you voted snarf, what was up with that? Also note how he was active at game start, but then gradually got less active, and has been lurking almost all of D2 (his last post is over 30 hours old). All this together make him suspicious for me, but it's not enough to lynch him today. I really look forward to hear some scum suspects from him including some reasoning why. Part of the quotes you linked include this snippet: Yea I'm against Radfield/Ace/SamuelLJackson lynches too, lets stop even discussing them. Why would scum ever advocate against the lynching of strong town players? The only reason would be to buy town-cred, but there are ways to do that without specifically telling people not to lynch strong town players. This sentence screams town to me. | ||
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On April 28 2012 04:38 strongandbig wrote: I postulate that Ace intentionally plays scummy as town so that when he's scum he can play scummy and get away with it. I further postulate that this makes his town play less helpful to the town than it makes his scum play helpful to the scum team. The clear solution is to lynch Ace every game until he shapes up. That probably won't happen this game, but it's definitely something to think about. I thought about this, but the problem I have with this theory is that you'd have to accept the following to reach your conclusion: Premiss: Ace is willing to admit to himself that he is not a good enough player to play well both as town and mafia. I do not accept this premiss; therefore, I think Ace is scum. | ||
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