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On April 24 2012 07:29 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 07:03 Snarfs wrote:On April 24 2012 06:47 Ace wrote:
@Snarfs: Where are the posts that show marvelosity soft defending players? I admit I could have read further into it than it really was, but it definitely stood out as the only thing in his filter at the time I posted: Defending: Forumite (that's who Zentor was calling thick), VE, Mr Zentor thrice, and Ace. I prefer to let people answer questions about their play themselves which is why I called him out on it. I actually don't see those as defending any of us. More like an alternative explanation to the results someone is else is suggesting. His comment on me talking game mechanics is in line with the same thing I said. Likewise, he is right that Zentor calling someone thick when he voted for himself to start the game is...  If he is defending Forumite from Zentor, and then defends Zentor 3 times all on Day 1 then I think at best he is just one of those people that always responds to every post in an effort to be as transparent as possible. Or yea, maybe he is just Scum trying to fake a contribution. Defending Zentor 3 times who isn't a good player at all is lol worthy.
It certainly makes more sense in the context of him knowing that he isn't a strong day 1 player. In that case it could merely be seen as an attempt at contributing. I did not look at his previous games before posting that.
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On April 24 2012 08:04 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Finalvote] +Final Vote Count Spin 1
MrZentor (4)
MrZentor
Forumite
prplhz
strongandbig
Marvellosity (4)
Snarfs
phagga
SamuelLJackson
Sbrubbles
no-lynch (3)
VisceraEyes
Radfield
marvellosity
Radfield (2)
Bluelightz
Ace
VisceraEyes (0)
SamuelLJackson
Radfield
Sbrubbles
Snarfs (0)
Strongandbig
prplhz
marvellosity
Ace (0)
VisceraEyes
Sbrubbles (0)
VisceraEyes
MrZentor actually voted for no-lynch here. He just didn't make it bold.
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@prplhz: Why did you wait until 4 minutes before the deadline to post your case on MrZentor when you were online an hour and a half before that?
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On April 24 2012 06:55 Radfield wrote:
##vote no lynch
catching up
Once you're done catching up, I'd love to hear your thoughts on day 1.
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On April 24 2012 09:07 MrZentor wrote:Any reason you guys will put up with posts like this? Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:28 prplhz wrote:
I was late because I had forgotten that I even had it and I didn't know if I wanted to lynch MrZentor. I decided on that I wanted to lynch him about 30 minutes before deadline and then I copy/pasted the case but then I noticed that I hadn't originally saved points 5-11 and I had to rewrite those. So the analysis was a little late but meh.
Medic/Jailer on Radfield tonight.
Vigilante/SK on MrZentor. Just curious like.
I'm curious why you never voted prplhz.
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Oh that's right... So do you have any scumreads?
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I have a question for you, Radfield.
How do you go from this:
On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote:
I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches.
Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either.
However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count.
To this:
On April 24 2012 06:55 Radfield wrote:
##vote no lynch
catching up
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EBWOP: Emphasis mine in the first quote.
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Okay. Another one.
If you're town then you're likely to die tonight anyways, so why save your reads for the next 5 hours rather than give them now? If you're going to die, I would like a chance to discuss your reads with you before that happens.
Also, it seems more likely that scum would let you live if you were wrong than that they would be more inclined to kill you if you're right. They're probably going to assume you're right until you say something wrong. Just WIFOM, I know, but a thought
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On April 25 2012 06:39 Forumite wrote:
Was the case on Marvel that strong? What I saw at the time felt like it was more about him staying under the radar than him actually doing anything weird, on the other hand my readthrough was kind of rushed with just an hour before the lynch.
I'm curious if you think "staying under the radar" is a town-tell or a scum-tell. The reason I called out marvellous are because I thought this "staying under the radar" was a scum-tell, do you think differently? Keep in mind that while I pointed out what I believed were soft-defences of other players (they may have just been marv contributing in his own way), the main emphasis of my point was that that was all he had done at that point in time.
How do you expect scum to act? All in your face like MrZentor?
Also, VisceraEyes has disappeared again. This does not sit well with me.
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On April 25 2012 08:14 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 08:08 Snarfs wrote:On April 25 2012 06:39 Forumite wrote:
Was the case on Marvel that strong? What I saw at the time felt like it was more about him staying under the radar than him actually doing anything weird, on the other hand my readthrough was kind of rushed with just an hour before the lynch. I'm curious if you think "staying under the radar" is a town-tell or a scum-tell. The reason I called out marvellous are because I thought this "staying under the radar" was a scum-tell, do you think differently? Keep in mind that while I pointed out what I believed were soft-defences of other players (they may have just been marv contributing in his own way), the main emphasis of my point was that that was all he had done at that point in time. How do you expect scum to act? All in your face like MrZentor?
Also, VisceraEyes has disappeared again. This does not sit well with me. The other way around, I hadn´t seen anything weird from Marvel, which made me think he was town with a slow start. I understand how several got suspicious of him precisely because he hadn´t done much, I just didn´t pick up on that at the time of the lynch.
Okay. What do you think of VE disappearing combined with his contributions so far?
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On April 25 2012 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
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I was hoping Sandro would come in and balance out some of this Toad. Not that I disliked Toad's posting (in spite of the majority of it being about me :S), but there was just so much TOAD and so little Sandro.
Unless Rad and Ace are both scum (imba?) I have to believe that Rad is telling the truth about his claim. However, unlike Radfield I'm not so willing to dismiss the idea that Ace is GF based on "Radfield's luck". However, facts is facts, and I don't see Radfield fake-claiming DT just to clear someone. Therefor, I'm willing to believe Radfield's claim and I'm also willing to reserve judgement on Ace until I see more of his play.
I didn't mind it so much yesterday, but today MrZentor's self-vote seems...very strange. Like, he claims the point yesterday was to gauge reactions and stuff, but he never unvoted and he never really did anything with that information. And today, it feels more like trying to stay consistent - I mean, what reactions are there to gauge that he couldn't have observed yesterday?
I don't like it. MrZentor, can you explain in detail why you felt the need to vote for yourself again today?
There you are! What happened to the VE from C9++?  . So you mislynched C_C... coulda happened to anyone! You were still awesome at finding scum and I wouuldn't mind your help on this one as well! So, get back in the game, man! Be that awesome dominating VE we all love! Find us some scum!
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On April 25 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 08:26 Snarfs wrote:On April 25 2012 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
:/
I was hoping Sandro would come in and balance out some of this Toad. Not that I disliked Toad's posting (in spite of the majority of it being about me :S), but there was just so much TOAD and so little Sandro.
Unless Rad and Ace are both scum (imba?) I have to believe that Rad is telling the truth about his claim. However, unlike Radfield I'm not so willing to dismiss the idea that Ace is GF based on "Radfield's luck". However, facts is facts, and I don't see Radfield fake-claiming DT just to clear someone. Therefor, I'm willing to believe Radfield's claim and I'm also willing to reserve judgement on Ace until I see more of his play.
I didn't mind it so much yesterday, but today MrZentor's self-vote seems...very strange. Like, he claims the point yesterday was to gauge reactions and stuff, but he never unvoted and he never really did anything with that information. And today, it feels more like trying to stay consistent - I mean, what reactions are there to gauge that he couldn't have observed yesterday?
I don't like it. MrZentor, can you explain in detail why you felt the need to vote for yourself again today? There you are! What happened to the VE from C9++? . So you mislynched C_C... coulda happened to anyone! You were still awesome at finding scum and I wouuldn't mind your help on this one as well! So, get back in the game, man! Be that awesome dominating VE we all love! Find us some scum! No one loves "dominating VE", but I'll certainly try and keep more active than most of D1. /salute How do you feel about MrZentor? I feel like a lot of people were throwing around "town" a lot in conjunction with MrZentor, so the fact that he didn't die overnight is kinda surprising to me. Taken with his mystifying self-vote immediately into D2, what do you think about him now?
I feel like he's playing weird, just like everyone else feels. Whether it's weird town or weird scum is hard to tell. I really didn't like his list, as I mentioned. I also don't like the fact that currently, since he's discounted prplhz, he doesn't have a single scum read down in thread. Why would a town person not want his scum-reads in the thread to discuss with others. The only explanation I can think of there is that he thinks he's better than everyone else in the game and wants to do all the work himself. Judging by the player list, I doubt this is the case.
One thing to note is he got quite cocky as scum near the end of DFM2. Perhaps this has carried over to this game.
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Based on what I just posted, I'm also feeling a Zentor lynch. That said, it's still VERY early in the day so I'm not going to stop questioning other people.
##Vote MrZentor
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On April 25 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
No one loves "dominating VE"
Off-topic, but I do <3. Scum hates it a lot more than town does.
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On April 25 2012 09:30 MrZentor wrote:
I hope you guys know I'm getting some really good information.
Anyways, masons need to claim before I'm gonna point out the scum.
There's no guarantee that there are masons. How long are you going to wait?
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I think I understand what MrZentor is trying and we'll see if I'm right. However, I'm not going to waste 20 hours not trying to find scum.
Here are my thoughts on Radfield's claim:
It does nothing for us until he dies. There is absolutely no reason to believe that there couldn't be multiple one-shot cops - he even admits that he knows that wbg tweaked the setup - so his reason for believing him is bogus. Furthermore, if there is another one-shot cop, there is no guarantee that they used their check night 1. There are too many assumptions and Radfield should have known this.
Also, the fact that there are potential Godfathers and Framers makes the claim even more dubious. Granted, I wouldn't pick Ace as a potential Frame night 1, I also probably wouldn't have picked Ace to check night 1 and that's just guessing at what mafia would do. Radfield is putting way too much trust in his role when he says "At any rate, this should confirm Ace as town to everyone." Noone is confirmed town until they're dead. Radfield should know this too. Why would he claim when Ace probably wasn't on the hook today anyways? All you're going to do is make people who believe your claim not look as hard at Ace, which is probably the last thing this town should be doing considering the reputation he has as a mafia player.
Finally, some important questions for Radfield:
Why did you claim when you did rather than wait and see a bit how the day played out and use your knowledge to help guide the town discussion rather than just drop a bomb and then fuck off leave like you expect the town to just believe you and trust the results of your claim?
Why did you check Ace (someone who you said you can never read properly), rather than SamuelLJackson (you thought sandro was playing scum), phagga (who you said looks scummy), or bluelightz (who you said you would think is scum if you didn't have previous knowledge)? Did you not want to maximize your chance of hitting scum with your check by using it on phagga?
For me, this does not let Radfield off the hook in any way. I apologize if you really are town and I'm just wasting your time, but I'm still going to expect some good analysis and scumhunting before the day is over.
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@VE, Ace: Can you please comment on the three people in this list:
On April 25 2012 06:59 SamuelLJackson wrote:
My strongest mafia reads right now are rad + forumite + marv, just for the record. Rad being #1, unsure about forumite and marv is basicly a filler that makes sense.
Just in case of preemptive faceloseage.
--- Toad
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On April 25 2012 20:16 Bluelightz wrote:Sup bros, my blue mind say's that The Zentor lynch is moving too easy ( as radfield has already mentioned). For now, as a preemptive guess on who is scum it is: Snarfs, strongandbig, and a veteran player. Snarfs because: Snarfs and s&b seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other, also that, he is pushing the easy targets today, Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 08:40 Snarfs wrote:
Based on what I just posted, I'm also feeling a Zentor lynch. That said, it's still VERY early in the day so I'm not going to stop questioning other people.
##Vote MrZentor Next, I find it odd that he picked s&b out of all people to call out in his first few posts. Lastly, I see a problem with how HE scum hunts, Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 02:07 Snarfs wrote:On April 24 2012 01:18 strongandbig wrote:When it comes to actual suspects, I'd like to point to Snarfs. He's done a few things so far that make me suspicious. First, we have + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 09:12 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:53 Sbrubbles wrote:
That said, I suppose it might be a good strategy to claim if the masons are two relatively new players (like myself), in that it would draw fire away from more veteran town players.
If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. I'd be happy with believing them and only doubt them if they start acting specially scummy or aren't dead by day 4. Cops are here to investigate scummy players, not to confirm townies. I agree with all this also. That said, I agree with the hydra in that it's time to stop talking about the masons and to start hunting scum. In this post, he says that we should be hunting scum, but in none of his later posts does he actually do any scum hunting. My scum hunting method is my own. I like to ask people questions based on their actions when I notice something weird and gauge their responses. Me asking you and Zentor, as well as Ace and Radfield, to explain your actions is my method of scum hunting.-snip- I don't see how asking someone to explain their action's is an effective way to scum hunt, I think that it is easy for one to make one's action's look town.
strongandbig because: First, because oddly he picked Snarfs to make a case on, I feel that they are trying to distance themselves from each other, next, in his first post he spent an awful amount of space for a way for people to breaccrumb stuff -.-. Lastly, he made an awful sheep vote on Zentor.
Honestly I think both could be town, but I have a feeling that there's scum in them, just maybe, ##Vote: strongandbigFor now.
I'm going to ignore the circular reasoning part of this (which actually no longer stands since now you think strongandbig is town?) and just try and satisfy your desire for me to respond to the other two points. For the record, I don't think anything you said here makes any sense, but I think you've played fairly townie all game so I want to alleviate your concerns.
RE: Pushing the easy target today - Zentor is anti-town. He should be lynched or play pro-town. That being said, I do believe that if he is town, he thinks that he's just so much smarter than everyone else and that it's worth wasting an entire day of scum-hunting so that he can play his little games to find the scum for us. Either way, he should be lynched, on one hand because he's scum and on the other because it should be a policy around here to lynch people like this because otherwise they're giving scum an excuse to play scummy as fuck, which we don't want.
RE: Asking people to explain their actions not being effective scum hunting - I disagree.
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On April 25 2012 23:25 phagga wrote:
EBWOP ok I rushed my post... the formatting is off and the first part of forumite was not supposed to be part of this post, but whatever.
What was the part about forumite supposed to be part of?
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