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On April 21 2012 14:05 gonzaw wrote: I'm sure VE will point this out and create more shitstorm, so just in case I'll address this: No, I didn't mean "our plan" as in "the plan my scumbuddies and me hatched". I meant "the plan town would have imposed once people agreed with me". Now, I dunno why but I think I'm posting WAY too much >_> I'll try to tone it down a little bit  He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. | ||
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On April 22 2012 01:42 layabout wrote: How are you feeling VE? Any thoughts on marvellosity paqman or mattchew? we need Risen to rise and get posting we need ghost 403 to de-cloak we need St.Daniel to grace us with his presence we need Janaan to get out of bed we need slOosh to stop fapping to Beethoven* we need BroodkingEXE to execute som scum for us we need Bill Murray to get his head in the game we need Zephirrd to tell you guys to stop posting shit we need layabout to Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. | ||
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On April 22 2012 02:25 layabout wrote: You guys really need to read the OP. What do you mean? The only thing I can think of this meaning is mt assuming we have vigis. Even then, he doesn't explicitly state we have vigis, he just directs them if we do | ||
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And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. | ||
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On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. | ||
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On April 22 2012 03:18 layabout wrote: Why are you so aggressive? I died in GoT mafia not only because of you but because players directed people towards the lurkers. That mislynch was the beginning of the end and it was all because people jumped on lurkers early on and got it into their heads that those players were scummy before they were posting. You seemed to understand the dangers of focusing on lurkers then + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 04:35 Risen wrote: I'm going to say we need to wait a bit more before calling people lurkers. I woke up, posted a bit and then went to class. Some people have jobs and shiz where they wouldn't be able to respond until later today (like 6-8 hours) But now you are defending marvel on the basis that he posted a bit at the start, he was in the thread actively lurking and he deserves our attention. If we can't kill anybody that posts even a little bit then we are are left to kill lurkers. You are directing us to kill lurkers which at the moment is plain silly because it's a good half of the playerbase. What the hell don't you get. I'm not advocating lynching any lurkers right NOW. I'm saying lynch them LATER. You can't be lurking right now bc the game just started. No one is this stupid. My vote is staying on you. | ||
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On April 22 2012 03:29 layabout wrote: why are you being so dense? can you at least make an effort to understand what i am saying rather than throwing away you vote. How am I being dense? I said hey later we should lynch letters because they're useless and not posting isn't pro-town. You said risen stop being stupid and trying to lynch lurkers right now the game just started. I have no idea what you're talking about | ||
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On April 22 2012 03:31 slOosh wrote: Hey layabout I think Risen is acting really off. Agree / disagree? Oh hey look, easy wagon member #1 | ||
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No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:45 PaqMan wrote: The way he's been acting is disruptive and chaotic. Either bad townie or good scum. A chaotic hydra? Shocking. How can you say bad town, good scum? | ||
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I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity | ||
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TL;DR: Get the hell off VE and on to anyone else. I'll no lynch over lynching VE 100% | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:16 gonzaw wrote: Risen: I'd like to lynch Risen and I'll tell you why This post is wishy washy as hell. First he starts by being unnecessary apologetic when laya called him out. He posts a very wishy washy statement like "from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy". Really? That's not the town Risen I know of. The town Risen I know of would instantly find people scummy and try to create discussion. Town Risen wouldn't stay neutral and spout wishy washy shit like "I'm not sure who's scummy". Then he keeps trying to appear more "innocent" and neutral by saying things like "I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting". Then the rest of the post is fluff about Mementos' plan. He doesn't seem to have a solid stance on the matter (says things like "I don't like directing blues, though I realize this game has special stuff going on") yet he just keeps talking about it. Also, please note the tone of his post. It seems neutral, but most of all it's not aggressive at all. It seems submisive. Layabout called him out and he seems afraid and posts only because he was called out. Also take notice of the bolded "Posting lots is pro-town" bit, I'll use it later. He just barely comments on the marvel issue, but doesn't really take any stances. He keeps up with his "I still don't think anybody is scummy" excuse to avoid taking stances on people. He also doesn't comment on other things happening in the thread, like VE's "case" on me, or my case against VE, or the Paqman/Mattchew issue, nothing. Again, note the bolded bit too. Now here's the kicker. Here he goes against layabout and votes him, and his reason is "I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me"... ...really? I already said how this seems like Toad's play from LI. He ignores current discussion, he avoids taking a stance on the current events, and instead decides to FoS someone completely irrelevant for shitty reasons, and keeps his vote there. This vote only disrupts town because he fails to justify it and derails current discussions. Not only that, but it makes it so he can "justify" his vote and just leave it there, so he can fake trying to contribute. But there's another important thing to take into account: Notice how aggressive he's become against layabout. Why did the tone of his post and his behaviour change so much? In that first post he sounded afraid. Laya called him out and he sounded submissive against him, he was the opposite of aggressive. He posted trying to please laya, had a very neutral tone, was wishy-washy and didn't take any stances. Yet now that layabout points out Risen being suspicious, he flips and goes all crazy against him? Really? I don't buy that change of behaviour, it's inconsisent, it's way too sudden and doesn't make sense with the way he was posting before. Hey, remember that bolded bits I was mentioning before? Here: He says that posting a lot is pro-town, yet he's not following his own advice and is barely posting! So really people, Risen is scum because:
So people, let's lynch Risen ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Risen What kind of stupid shit is this? By request of jubjub Pac I'll respond. Wishy washy? What the hell do you want from me not even a day into the game? How the hell could ANYONE have true feelings of someone being scum that early on. You can have policies that guide you, such as kill every idiot you see, like anyone on VE or lynch lurkers like BM, but you can't possibly have feelings of people being scummy that early on. Only people who are atrocious at this game would take that point seriously. Oh look, we have pac taking it seriously. I'm so shocked. You say this posting looks like Toad from LI? Awesome. I'm not Toad. Also, where do you get me being SUBMISSIVE to layabout. The guy was playing like an idiot and I called him out on it. If you count me apologizing for cursing as being "submissive" then you need to get your head checked. How can you go from me voting layabout to trying to get approval from him. Stupidity at it's finest. BUT Pac wants me to address this piece of shit case so lets keep going. On to your little bullets. 1) I've been busy as all hell, but I've been trying to come in and read and post instead of lurk. Screw it, I should have just lurked. You're right, posting in the thread is anti-town. My bad, I was wrong. I'll stop posting. 2) Not taking a solid stance? I SAID DONT DIRECT BLUES. IT IS BAD. How much more solid does it get? What do I have to do to make it more solid? 3) A flimsy vote on layabout? You right... because votes before a day has passed in the game are going to be super solid. Oh wait. They're not. Only an idiot or scum would try and say something like this. I'm leaning idiot because at least your vote isn't with the derps on VE. 4) I like how you call me passive and then point number 4 is saying I'm being too aggressive. This case is air tight guys, let's all get on the Risen choo choo. Right Janaan? 5) People don't have lives my b I always forget about that. I wasn't supposed to head back to Vegas until next weekend and when I signed up for this game it didn't matter anyways. It took two years to start, though, and I've only been able to read the thread from my phone. Now I'm able to type on a keyboard and tear this horrid case to shreds. I'll sum this case for all you dolts voting on me. Risen isn't playing like his town play usually is (but lets not link any of Risen's filters and quote anything from previous games, lets just SAY that's how it is and pray people don't actually check his filters.) Wow. Slam dunk case Paq, glad I took the time to respond to it. Why are you on me again? I don't have much time, I'm driving back to Flagstaff very shortly. I'm going to cut all this nonsense short and post cases against every person on VE. They're all idiots and/or scum who should be killed. | ||
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On April 23 2012 06:06 PaqMan wrote: Shit's about to go down. I'm going to write up something so I'll be back in a few hours How convenient? When does the day end again? Hmm... | ||
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On April 23 2012 06:12 layabout wrote: Guys, if you believe that VE is being honest then you believe that he wants us to lynch him because he thinks its in town's best interests. If you believe that he is lying then there is next to no chance that he is town and lynching him is in town's best interests. VE is being an emo idiot. This isn't a good enough reason to vote for him. I'm playing what I call the wbg strategy. It entials dragging derpderp townies kicking and screaming so they stop being fools. GET OFF VE. | ||
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slOosh seems like someone who had his case fall apart and is too stubborn to take his vote off VE now that he has done a JK claim because he put in some effort. He needs to realize lynching VE is stupid and get off him. I don't think he's scum, but I think he's being an idiot. Sentinel is willing to give Brood "benefit of the doubt" but he's going to vote VE based on VEs trying to make discussion in the thread? Why are you so willing to lynch someone who, while I don't agree with the route, is generating discussion in the thread. Discussion is PRO-TOWN. But yeah, go ahead and keep your derpderp vote on VE. I don't think layabout is seriously voting for VE. I think he's going to switch his vote, because like I said earlier just because VE is being emoking right now does not mean we should be voting him. Layabout knows this. Stop being stuck on stupid. How shocking that marvel picks the only other person with enough votes to rival him as the person he finds most scummy. Yeah, I get it, claiming JK was bad. Bad != scum. I wish I could be ok with lynching VE because he's an idiot, but he's an idiot we can't afford to lynch right now. His claim seals it. And no, layabout is wrong. Scum can't use this as a defense because JK is a very unique roll and other blues would know how to test the claim. On April 23 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:47 Mementoss wrote: I would like to note the reasoning behind the people voting VE here: Ottoxol: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Sloosh: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote: slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case. First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points. Second item: VE's "scumslip" catch If you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal. Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarification The post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. (here and here) Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan. Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes Bill Murray: No reason Marveoullosity: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote: Alright. Two things: I find VE's faux objection to gonzaw's case really scummy. It was never backed up by any convincing analysis and it was brushed over by "I don't like the plan" Second: BH's tunnelling of me makes me despair. This is Day 1. I would really really really love to have super strong scummy cases to make on someone, but I don't. At the moment, I think sloosh's case on VE is as strong as it gets, and echos my own sentiments on how the game has played out. There have been many more lurkers, but the only inconsistency I have found has been VE's nonsense. ##Vote: VisceraEyes layabout(couldnt find in thread vote hopefully this is right post reflecting): + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 21:15 layabout wrote: First off. ##unvote marvellosity BH's case was good when you consider how early on it was posted. The case was centred around the idea that marvellosity was actively lurking (at the beginning of the game. Marvellosity is no longer actively lurking I think that marvellosity has tried to be more open and has reacted to BH's increasingly ridiculous pressure in a very town like way. This BM wagon doesn't appear to have any grounding. It is a mindless vote on a lurker, the sort that usually hits town and is easy for scum to hop onto. If you are on that wagon please consider that there are definitely town lurkers and if you pick one at random you are likely to pick town. If somebody else picks a lurker and you support them then there is not only the chance that they will pick town by chance but the chance that they are scum and they are deliberately picking tow. Thirdly, The only reason to not vote for VisceraEyes is the following: You believe that he is telling the truth about his claim. If you believe that then you also have to believe that VisceraEyes would make that appalling move as the real town Jailkeeper. [UON]Sentinel: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok. What the hell is a "non-cooperative Jailkeeper"? Coupled with trying to sway townies so much over the course of this thread, I feel no shame in voting VE. ##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: VisceraEyes St. Dan is next on my list. As for Brood, his last post was fluff but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. VE(for completeness): + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote: K this game is no longer interesting to me. I'm not interested in defending myself. ##Unvote: Bill Murray ##Vote: VisceraEyes For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition. gg As you read more and more, the only person voting VE with an actual case seems to be sloosh and layabout. Most people are voting him NOT because they think he is scum, but because his claim was bad. Or they think he is bad. We vote for people for SCUMMY actions! Bad town =/= scum. Is this really worth the risk of eliminating 1/3 of our blue roles on day 1? Can VE technically prove his claim? Yes. But its very difficult. He needs to have a successful protect. Or he needs to be tracked and confirmed. I personally do not think he is the scummiest player atm. If you do, for all means leave your vote on him. Do not keep your vote on him because he is bad or bad claim. All people that voted for him for that reason, explain in detail why he is more scummy than Marveoulosity or Riven? Layabout mentioned the high risk of the lynch but is still heavily supporting it: I really oppose it because I do not want us to lose 1/3 our blues on day 1, from sheeping and stupidity. It seems like this has gained the most sheeping. And people are taking the easy reasoning to vote VE. It seems suspicious to me, also most people are just ignoring and not commenting on the Riven case. Or they are not justifiying why VE is more suspicious than the other popular suspects. If you haven't done this, do it. Currently waiting on Rivens reply towards Gonzaws case on him. All this being said I will not be voting VE tonight, it seems like it will be between Riven or Marv. Clearly you haven't bothered to read my posts if you maintain that what you spoilered under me is the main reason I'm voting VE. What IS your exact reason for voting VE? All I see is VE wouldn't be this bad as a town JK. Lynch him. That's not a case. Bill Murray. I had no idea we had someone like this in the game. It's lyter v2! Ottox makes the case that VE wouldn't be bad like that, ergo scum. Derpderpderpderp. Don't think I missed anyone. I think it's clear that given the options, and my general disposition towards people who are absolutely useless I think this is an easy vote. ##vote Bill Murray I see absolutely NO REASON other than "VE is bad hurrdurr" to be voting VE over BM. I managed to find a way to get to a computer and I'm not even home. He could have done the same. Should just change the policy from lynch all lurkers to lynch idiots who sign up for mafia games and then don't do anything. | ||
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On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote: Risen is scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today. No you twat. I'm not voting johnnywup because I'm not an idiot who thinks we can organize idiot townies like you onto him with so little time left. I'm forced to pick from a small pool of people who we can get votes on. I'm very intense, god... Don't know why I even came back to this. I'm just getting heated again and I'm going to get banned. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote: Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your:
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. | ||
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Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:20 PaqMan wrote: oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? No one is this stupid. No matter who is lynched today I'm voting you. If you're town I hope you get your shit together next game. No one as dumb as you should even be allowed into TL Mafia. If I had to make a list of people I hate most, it would start with lurkers, and then right under it would be fools like you who tunnel someone and are too blind to anything else going on in the thread. One of you and gonzaw is scum. I think it's probably gonzaw because I don't think a scums teammates would let their team idiot jump on a case so hard when it's built of paper. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:25 PaqMan wrote: Aww umad? Well if I'm wrong prove me wrong and shut down my case. What case... the one where you pretty much reiterate gonzaw's house of glass? Link me to your master case. I doubt anything I say to you will have any effect. You're tunneling so hard you don't know anything else going on in this thread. And the marvel/BJ nonsense needs to stop. Now. And I need to stop responding to you, because it's shitting up the thread just as much as that little spat is. | ||
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Why aren't we all on BM? He's done NOTHING. Why are people on the only blue claim we have still? GET OFF VE | ||
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No wai dude... that is liek crasi! If you actually were here reading the thread avoiding the shoutfest or whatever you would have seen that I was trying to be like wbg. Y u so dense dooder, u scum? Heeehuuuuuuuu. I'm inventing a Mafia dialect of english. It's called hurrdurrjubjub and it's used to communicate with bad townies. It's a work in progress. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:45 Zephirdd wrote: Just for the record, im last minute voting VE in order to avoid a modkill; I dont recall any other candidate better than him either, although I kinda lost track since page 30 or so Is this for real? I can't even. WHAT? | ||
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On April 23 2012 00:17 Zephirdd wrote: God damnit layabout. I was about to post how VE's claim made sense and how he was town, but then you convince me the opposite. Geez. And this martyring post from VE only makes sense from two PoVs: - He really is a JK and he will let town use his flip information to deal with what happened during the day - He is scum trying to sound like that. Also, right now, I see no reason to lynch Bill Murray - he should be vigged, not lynched if he doesn't contribute soon. VE, what is your stance on gonzaw, especially after his series of (Seemingly) drunk posts? Also, please make the case against the certain scum you are talking about. Should you flip JK, we got something solid to work from. In fact, I'll take you are claiming scum if you don't do that. That last post combined with, oh I was totally thinking VE was town but layabout you changed my world view bro post is horrible.. There's no way we can get the votes on him today, I'm sorry johnny. I didn't believe you before, and I thought you were scummy. My bad, I dropped the ball. Push this guy tomorrow, push him hard. I'm being too belligerent right now and I need to cool off. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:45 Zephirdd wrote: Just for the record, im last minute voting VE in order to avoid a modkill; I dont recall any other candidate better than him either, although I kinda lost track since page 30 or so | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote: Could you please update the OP with the deadline time, at the moment it still says TBD On April 23 2012 07:48 MidnightGladius wrote: Wait, when exactly is the deadline? Is it exactly 48 hours from the Day 1 post, ie ~1.5 hours from now? I'm envisioning scum in their IRC asking each other when the deadline is, not knowing and then coming into the thread and asking the question at the same time accidentally. | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:20 Mementoss wrote: I would also vote BM. I am beginning to think Marv is town, and since I agree with the defensive stance on VE risen took, it kinda makes me think hes town. If he was scum, he woulda just let VE die, and vote VE like a sheep. Realizes risen is the only one who saw the marv/mt scumslip, tries to buddy him. How about my FoS targets this game? Apparently calling everyone on VE scum is too broad. I think I've narrowed it nicely | ||
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Yo BM I'll get off you if you make a post explaining yourself. Oh wait, you signed up for mafia and decided not to play... I wish VE hadn't claimed. none of this would have happened. Then again, ve was being stupid and it's probably correct that the only thing that can save him is his claim. | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:36 MidnightGladius wrote: Why do we even think BM is scum? A scum player would never blatantly disregard the game like this. Granted, most town players would also play differently than this, but from BM's past games, I'm guessing that he rolled vanilla town, felt bored, and decided not to bother playing. Lynching him today tells us absolutely nothing, because he hasn't been around to interact with any of the players here. Nothing in his behavior says anything about his alignment, one way or the other. johnny stills seems like scum to me, and his above voteswitch to BM doesn't help in the slightest. Zeph is setting off my alarm bells, as well, but I'm going to give him more rope to hang himself with first. so... Lurking gets you a free pass to day 2, confirm? And I did lead this charge on BM. I had to scream from the rooftops to make it happen, but this wouldn't be happening without me | ||
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On April 24 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote: The bolded part is ridiculous. No, you were not correct given the information you had. Just admit you were wrong, and you were mis-using logic/sheeping/tunnelling into VE, which ultimately lead to you helping scum kill one of our blue roles. It bothered me that no-one voting VE yesterday cause answer the question I posed, "Why would VE do this as scum?". Admit you were wrong, re-read his filter, learn from your mistakes. Tryimg to make yourself look good after you were the one pushing hardest for a majority of the day against anyone who made good points about why to not lynch VE/why VE was probably telling the truth? (Against me and Risen later in the day) However, despite all this I've thought about it, and I think you were just geniunely mistaken and wrong. I don't think a scum, would push so hard all day with the amount of detail you did to lynching VE, knowing that he would flip blue. As of now I don't have any particulary good scum reads, I need to review the thread now knowing the flip. But I feel like Mattchew is probably town, and so is Risen, based on their actions prior to the lynch. Why would you give town reads at night.... | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:18 gonzaw wrote: Okay, major thoughts after spending like 3 hours reading the thread: About Risen: First of all, I'll deal with your "rebuttal" (if you can call it that) of my case here: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:45 Risen wrote: What kind of stupid shit is this? By request of jubjub Pac I'll respond. Wishy washy? What the hell do you want from me not even a day into the game? How the hell could ANYONE have true feelings of someone being scum that early on. You can have policies that guide you, such as kill every idiot you see, like anyone on VE or lynch lurkers like BM, but you can't possibly have feelings of people being scummy that early on. Only people who are atrocious at this game would take that point seriously. Oh look, we have pac taking it seriously. I'm so shocked. You say this posting looks like Toad from LI? Awesome. I'm not Toad. Also, where do you get me being SUBMISSIVE to layabout. The guy was playing like an idiot and I called him out on it. If you count me apologizing for cursing as being "submissive" then you need to get your head checked. How can you go from me voting layabout to trying to get approval from him. Stupidity at it's finest. BUT Pac wants me to address this piece of shit case so lets keep going. Wtf? Risen, as soon as LI started you pressured people (ET, johnny, others), you FoSed them and started discussion. And it was like 2 hours into D1 You can't possibly use the "what the hell do you want from me not even a day into the game?" excuse at all when you don't don't do that when you are town. Yes, you were being submissive, before you called laya out, not after (geez read my fucking post I specifically quote the post I'm talking about) On to your little bullets. 1) I've been busy as all hell, but I've been trying to come in and read and post instead of lurk. Screw it, I should have just lurked. You're right, posting in the thread is anti-town. My bad, I was wrong. I'll stop posting. Thanks for the sarcasm that doesn't accomplish anything. Okay, so you pull off the "busy" excuse...does that justify your lack of activity until then? If you are busy/go away/etc you should tell us so we know about it before we even have to point that out to you. 2) Not taking a solid stance? I SAID DONT DIRECT BLUES. IT IS BAD. How much more solid does it get? What do I have to do to make it more solid? It seemed to me you were just talking just to talk there. You said things like "Well, but I don't see how pointing that out is scummy, but well..", spent talking quite a lot about Mementoss' plan, and all that just to say "don't direct blues". Don't worry though, this is not that important 3) A flimsy vote on layabout? You right... because votes before a day has passed in the game are going to be super solid. Oh wait. They're not. Only an idiot or scum would try and say something like this. I'm leaning idiot because at least your vote isn't with the derps on VE. Yes it's a flimsy vote, and don't use that excuse again, you know it doesn't work like that and it doesn't justify your vote AT ALL. For instance, there were PLENTY of JUSTIFIED votes from other players before you voted layabout, so your point is rendered moot and only serves to make it seem you are avoiding justifying your vote at all and misdirecting it. 4) I like how you call me passive and then point number 4 is saying I'm being too aggressive. This case is air tight guys, let's all get on the Risen choo choo. Right Janaan? Read my case. You were extremely passive until layabout called you out. Then you became extremely aggressive ALMOST INSTANTLY 5) People don't have lives my b I always forget about that. I wasn't supposed to head back to Vegas until next weekend and when I signed up for this game it didn't matter anyways. It took two years to start, though, and I've only been able to read the thread from my phone. Now I'm able to type on a keyboard and tear this horrid case to shreds. Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can't possibly tell me that you think people calling you out because you are not posting means we are idiots because we didn't know that you "weren't supposed to head back to Vegas" or you were "busy" right? Yes, it's possible you were busy, it's possible that Vegas thing happened and you were away or something. However, it's very possible that you had tiny bits of free time between those times to post too. It's entirely possible that you are scum, you were "busy", but when you had free time you just said "Oh fuck it, supposedly I'm still "busy" so I'll just not post for a while". I did it in Newbie IV for instance, where I just said things like "I'm going to uni and I'll be busy this week so I won't be able to post too much". I was busy and going to uni, but when I came back home I just read the thread, read the scum QT and talked to some people there and then did nothing at all and keep lurking. Then every other time I posted I'd say "Oh I'm back from uni/I'm not that busy anymore/blablabla". I wasn't lying, but I was exaggerating it so I was justified in not posting. So you making these kind of excuses doesn't let you off the hook at all. And like I said, if you are going to be legitimately busy, or going away to Vegas (or coming back to Vegas, I didn't really understand that part), then if you don't want misunderstandings you point it out to us. It's not required if you are able to establish your innocence before it, but since you completely failed at that in your case, yes you should have. Also, here's his filter from LI (was town): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046&user=62525 The fact that I could almost instantly peg him as town in that game, while I'm having lots of doubts about his alignment this game should indicate something, at least regarding Risen's earlier behaviour (before he went through that AFK period) I'm kind of torn about this now. Before he started being "active" again, he was scummy as fuck. However, he started using his usual "townie" aggressive act after being called out. He started being assholes to everybody, posting actively, and FoSing everybody without any reasoning at all and just being a dick. There are 2 interesting aspects I found:
Now, this may seem like a conspiracy theory, but even though Risen's past actions would "exonerate" him in many people's eyes (because he's playing to his meta, posting actively, going against the VE lynch and trying to lynch BM, etc), the way he performed said actions, and the way he's been acting regarding those other players make me very uneasy. I find it possible Risen is scum, decided to go all "Fuck this shit I'll FoS everybody, play to my town meta and oppose the VE lynch to gain cred", which is why I'm pointing this out. Holy shit this post is gigantic, I'll post my thoughts on other players in a minute I focused on marv/BM b/c it was late in the day and I had to focus on people who were going to be able to be lynched. I think that's pretty basic. I even said somewhere in my filter that I didn't want to forward a lynch candidate who wasn't going to be lynched. Means I had to focus on BM/marv and in the end I hate lurkers and BM's vote was atrocious. I don't know why everyone is discussing cases with so much time left for scum to send in their actions. If you want to post your reads at night do it right before the deadline... This brings me to this post. On April 24 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: Why are you afraid of town reads? Only scum are scared of that I've been told that town reads, especially at night, shouldn't be voiced. If you ARE going to voice that kind of stuff do it right before daytime. Only scum are scared of town reads? How do you read that as me being scared? That's me saying keep your mouth shut with your town reads because it's night time and that just gives mafia more incentive to kill your town reads. Let me tell you what scum do. Scum come into the thread after a day of being afk, say lolol day 1 is so useless I just couldn't be bothered, and then claim to have soooo much to do day 2 trying to save themselves from the vigs. Can't wait to see it, bud. | ||
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On April 24 2012 13:01 PaqMan wrote: Risen. I'm going to put my vote on him and keep it there until I see some incriminating evidence against Sentinel. ##Vote: Risen Do you do anything in this game besides tunnel me? I can't recall seeing you actually DO anything this game. Please start being useful. I'm going to sleep, was waiting to see the day post to see if I lived. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:41 Ottoxlol wrote: I haven't played mafia on tl To the question you addressed to Paqman, I have some suspicions because some people doesnt like logic, but i think its too early to decide its their limitations or theyre scums. First thing that caught my eye. Tbh it's no biggie. It's a small thing, but I absolutely hate people who go "I'm noob". He's implying that he's played before, just somewhere else, so why does he need to say anything at all? On April 22 2012 06:52 Ottoxlol wrote: About marvel, i think he's not a scum just had no time to post, I would like to see him defend himself. He had 2 bad questions then he afked, I don't believe that's enough for my vote. He will post later, so I think it's useless to discuss. That's not enough for your vote but you put your vote on gonzaw b/c he FoSd you? On April 22 2012 07:38 Ottoxlol wrote: [UoN] Sentinel had two real posts, the first + Show Spoiler + Just wondering, what's the chance gonzaw's not mafia but just making an extremely retarded point? At any rate, what I don't get is number 6. If I was GF pretending to be vig, I'd shoot as many of the other vigs as I could. And if I was JK, I'd protect those vigs who I trust to be either town vigs or some other blues. He doesnt know that GFs cant shoot.. Nuf said, very bad post, calling out gonzaw but not making a case against his plan + Show Spoiler + I'm starting to think all of you people purposely post when I sleep Let's do it like this - everyone just do whatever the fuck they want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. If it's not beneficial in some way to town, then lynch them. If there's one thing I know, it's that voting/lynching/etc. plans always benefit mafia because they can pull them to their advantage (and also you get lynched when your plan especially sucks). Keeping in mind with this train of thought, I will proceed to do whatever the fuck I want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. When I get back, I'll read filters and try and put more on the table. I would wait till he put more on the table before we jump to conclusions, I disagree with that plans always benefiting mafia. He's talkin more in general terms, so maybe if he states his case more clearly we'll get more information. Sentinel, if you would be so kind to tell us your opinion about who's benefiting the town right now and who's not, i would like to read what do you think who should we lynch. The first half of his response can be taken two ways. One, he isn't catching onto the fact that sentinel means the godfathers having goons shoot them. The other, is that he knows this and is simply trying to make a post where he looks useful. The second half is fine, but he's asking for Sentinels thoughts without really doing much himself. On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is where some serious bells and whistles should be going off for anyone who spots it. Can't find it? "So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum" What horrible justification for a vote. I'm aware he made a few posts asking VE questions, and finding him a little suspicious, but it feels like he's trying to shift the blame away from himself before VE even flips. Oh well, you guys say he's good and no one good would play like this so imma vote him. On April 22 2012 22:43 Ottoxlol wrote: Forget the plan, we already discussed it too much. I don't just disagree with your claim, I wrote it down why is it a bad play. You still did not respond Why does he edit his quote in his further responses to remove the part where he justifies his vote saying VE wouldn't play like this? Why not just quote it? It's small, but small things add up. I absolutely HATE people who edit the things they're quoting. On April 24 2012 15:52 Ottoxlol wrote: I havent finished reading everything, but so far I had an idea I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later What is this? It's the worst defined list I've ever seen. My mind is trying to wrap itself around the logic here but can't because it's intentionally confusing FOR NO REASON. On April 24 2012 16:57 Ottoxlol wrote: I don't get the sloosh kill btw, he contributed scarce, voted on VE. If not lynched he would have been pressured a lot today. Risen was the only one they both suspected to be scum, since sloosh kill has no other explanation then defending Risen I think he is town. Why are you buddying me here? By the logic in this post it sounds like you're accusing me of offing the people who were suspicious of me. Instead, you end with the conclusion that Risen is town. What? Also, the sloosh kill DOES have another explanation and it was already posted in the thread by someone else, blue-hunting. That's not a defense. That a useless post in which you bolded one part of his entire case. On April 24 2012 19:45 Ottoxlol wrote: You did not make a good enough case against Marv and you did not defend VE. So you were not that confident. Continuing his 1v1 fest after harping on the gonzaw/VE 1v1. Standard, but what sticks out here is that he's telling BJ he didn't make a strong enough case against marv and didn't defend VE. Yeah, his case on marv was too weak, but saying he didn't defend VE is a lie. On April 24 2012 20:37 Ottoxlol wrote: LOL I don't understand your case. You say the reason I'm scum because the way i voted VE. First I made a case about why VE is playing badly about the massvigclaim plan, then when he claimed, I stated my reasoning why he shouldn't have, and because you guys said he's the best player ever it's obvious that he is scum. I stated why a scum VE would claim and asked him why did he think the claim was good play. He did not respond, started accusing every second player and yelling, then rqd. I blame my vote on VE's bad play and lack of interest. You still did not respond why is this strong enough to switch from tunneling marv. Stating my posts are worthless, when you did not help town at all (not defending VE when you claim it was obv he's town, not stating a single good case that would rally ppl from VE), is the nail in your coffin. #vote BlazingJitsu Votes BJ after their OMGUS mud-flinging. The end result of this argument is BJ's modkill b/c he couldn't keep his cool when trying to argue with someone who was clearly being willfully absurd. On April 24 2012 21:48 Ottoxlol wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 21:29 Mementoss wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 10:38 Ottoxlol wrote: It seems like the ppl doesnt read the whole thread. My case against VE was simple. He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE. The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted. I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl. He says statements that have the potential to explain why it could have been scummy actions but he never explains why its scummy. Such as: "The timing was strange", wait what, how? Also, you did not vote on him based on bad play? Then why the fuck did you talk about it so much in all your posts directed to him? It musta had somewhat of a good influence on your voting towards him. My other posts explained why the timing was strange. If scum VE wants to claim he claims when he's pressured and an easy wagon appears. I said the bad play can mean 2 things, either he's town or a scum (wow that was surprising). If he would have answered why he thought it was good as townie or at least not give up I would have considered that he's not trying to escape the lynch with a fakeclaim, but he tried something that was not optimal. If you look at my filter you can see, I asked about him because before his claim I had only a little suspicion on him + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 23:27 Ottoxlol wrote: Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there. Well you dodged matthews question. So that makes you scum by your own logic? You say its anti-town, or bad town, you don't say its scummy, or why its scummy. Just its bad for town. You note that scum would do this to avoid a day 1 lynch, but wait, VE didn't do that, he had barely any pressure on him when he claimed, he had 3 votes to Marvs 6. So this is just wrong. Also you say that scum would want to jump on the BM wagon, well at the time BM wagon as you call it was barely even moving. I think it had 2-3 votes. What? I did not say why is it scummy? Reread. I was arguing if he's playing a bad townie play or a scummy scum play, this choice of words further proves my previous reply that I wanted him to respond, to explain his play.VE had 5 votes against marv's 6. This is also in one of my posts, this was why I argued he shouldnt have claimed because scum was very unlikely to night kill the second highest vote. He claimed right after BM voted for him -> ninja vote ez wagon. Basically your avoiding giving a detailed opinion on who is scum and why they are scum at all costs. You give handy suggestions like vigs shoot into BM voters. Or your little WIFOM earlier, but that is it. I don't, I had a case d1 about VE, I pushed it. It was a big fail. If I have a strong read I will post it. You really didn't have that much of a case on d1. What you did have was everyone else making points and you jumping onto those points pushing it as your case. You proceeded to hide behind your defense that VE was playing bad and therefor scum. On April 24 2012 22:21 Ottoxlol wrote: I believe that there is at least one scum on that list, I read them all. I couldn't come up with a case that's strong. Bm contributed zero, it is really hard to analyse someone with zero posts. Marvellosity been attacked d1 with a very weak case, I did not find anything suspicious there layabout he was on my d1 list because I felt his opinion switches were a bit suspicious but d2 he's been posting some very good things, i think he's town Sentinel wasn't too involved in the debates, the case against him is semi decent, but if we punish someone because he did not got involved it should be the one with the least contribution Zephridd's defense is that he was afk too. We have 3 players who did some afking Sent BM Zeph from the VE crowd, Sentinel and Zeph tried contributing so I would vote rather BM then those other 2. He's getting votes and called out why don't he post and he's still just lurking around. BM please get into the game and show us you are town, or else I feel you'll get lynched. WHAT?! You look at that entire list of people on VE and you can't come up with ANYONE? Earlier you had your Glenn Beck twisted logic post saying 0 or 2 people on your list were probably scum... or something. Now you're saying you can't find anyone, anyone out of the list of people who voted for VE scummy? BM was lurking all day 1, and you can't find that scummy? You find nothing suspicious about marv's play? I don't think marv is scum, and I can point out some suspicios things no problem. There is no one who is above suspicion until they flip green. Layabout goes from being a little scummy to you to not being scummy at all simply because he's "posting better"? Sentinel is scummy as sin! You even pointed out DAY ONE that you thought Sentinel could possibly be acting scummy. It hasn't gotten better for him in my eyes. How can you not make a case? Are you protecting a scumbuddy here? You pointed out that 0 or 2 people on VE might be scum. I'm leaning towards you knowing the number of scum on him. You can't make a case on Zeph? CMON. The guy's defense is that he was lurking! Ahem... I mean afk. You're saying Sentinel and Zeph are in the clear for you, but BM has to go? I will be the first one to hate on BM, but to say BM is your scum read but not zeph/sent is outrageous. BM start posting or you have feelings that he will be lynched. Where were you yesterday when I was shouting for his lynch. Now that sent/zeph are under suspicion, though, lynch the lurker. What remains after that post is one liner after one liner and then this. On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote: Risen gonzaws case against him He tried to defend VE, but with not the best tools After that he starts to rally people to other candidates (marv/bm). He explained that he did FoS these people only because they had votes on them so it would have been easier to get ahead of VE. I think his reasoning is clear, I find him town. BM He doesnt post, ninja-votes. There is no real case against him because he doesn't post. I can't wrap my head around him, some say scummy, some say don't I can't really decide. If people want to lynch him I will have no objection at all. Sentinel He did not provide any reasoning on his vote for VE or get into the debate about it. A bit scummy. I would vote for him too Marv. From the beginning I felt like BJ is tunneling him too much, he answered his accusations but BJ couldn't understand them, I can relate to that. I am neutral towards him Zephirdd he defended himself with stating he afked, he's still not active enough, hard to judge. Daniel One real post, he votes BM but then promise us a case on marv and that he'll post, we are still waiting. Brood Two posts, he votes marv, I point out some inconsistency in his post but he did not respond. No posts, no case johnnywup I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. 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On April 25 2012 08:53 PaqMan wrote: ninja'd. I didn't write that post in 4 minutes. Yeah I don't think mattchew could seriously think you'd whip that up the second you were called out. Having said that... I wasn't certain VE was town, and I never said that. NEVER. No where will you find me saying that. You know what you will find me saying? Don't vote VE, he's a claimed "doctor" and lynching him, especially on day 1 before a single night has passed, is the highest level of stupidity. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:11 PaqMan wrote: We lynch to kill scum, right? We do not lynch to kill town, right? And you really really really did not want VE lynched, right? Sooo, yeah... If you read through your filter you can see how hard you were defending VE. You were defending him with so much vigor that you even declared anyone voting for him should be lynched/vigi'd. Wanna know why I was defending with so much vigor? Because I've been in that same spot. I thought after GoT that no one would be bad enough to vote for a claimed blue like that after I was lynched following my blue claim w/ a red detection. On top of this he was our DOCTOR role. How is this hard to understand?! It's SO SIMPLE :/ I'm doing my best to stay calm and not curse and not get modkilled like BJ, but I'm having a really hard time. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:25 marvellosity wrote: ? Risen's claim in GoT wasn't Day 1 either. I'm not claiming the cases were the same, I was just saying (to repeat) that we can't pretend all blue claims = valid = can't lynch. I'm not backhandedly having a stab at Risen either, I was just making a sidepoint. Now I'm going to stop talking about it because it's clogging unnecessarily. I'm saying it doesn't matter. VEs claim without knowing his sanity meant that you could logically vote for him. A detective claim before LYLO with guaranteed sanity following a confirmed red check like I did in GoT is not a logical lynch. A lynch of a claimed doctor role Day 1 is also not logical. That's what it comes down to. I'm not saying all blue claims deserve to = do not lynch this person, but in some cases it makes logical sense to not lynch that person. | ||
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On April 26 2012 04:45 BroodKingEXE wrote: Can someone point out to me why all this suspicion about Ottoxlol? I'm having trouble finding any big cases against him. His earlier posts look fine to me. Look in my filter for my case against him. It's spoilered. Or look on page 62 | ||
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On April 26 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I may have played badly the first few days and lurked, but I'm not stupid enough to shoot the guy who wrote the biggest case on me. Shooting ghost in his stead (or both of them) would have been even more of a dead giveaway. WIFOM for days... | ||
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On April 26 2012 05:10 johnnywup wrote: Anyone on ottox, vote for either sentinel or Zephirdd. I'm not convinced that ottox can't just be bad. I feel like Scum may be trying to sway to public opinion into a mislynch by voting Ottox. He may be scum, but I think that we have a way better shot hitting scum by lynching either zephirdd or sentinel. I haven't looked that hard into zeph or sent b/c my strongest read is ottox. I'm not exactly comfortable voting for the same person as zephir, sent, and BM. I haven't forgotten about BM but there's almost nothing to build a case on sans shouting lurker, and since that didn't work yesterday... They might be voting their scumbuddy to gain cred, but then again they might be voting a town player they think they can wagon... But that's some serious WIFOM and assumes all three are scum, which I don't think is the case. I'll look into zephir and sent when I'm done with my eve roaming. | ||
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I can see where you're coming from on MG layabout but how much time do we have left before lynch? I still think ottox is scum. You may think he's just a noob but that's not really a defense. | ||
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I mean, very ill great... but he doesn't sound like he's ill anymore. I can't stand lurkers and I'm 100% willing to lynch him tomorrow. They're useless and we can't afford people lurking at this point. This applies to BKExe as well, though he didn't lurk vote so +1 for you big guy. If by day 3 your filter isn't filling 2 pages something is wrong. | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:56 johnnywup wrote: The lynch is in an hour right? I think MG would be a good lynch but I don't think we have enough time. Isn't there the possibility of bussing? I think it's more than a possibility at this point. So don't let MG voting zeph make you think zeph is town. You have other reasons for thinking zeph is town, I guess. I think it's MG+Sentinel+Zeph+One other on a scum team atm. I like you pushing a read but it's too late right now. this is just false, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=36#705 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=38#741 so, MG+Sentinel+Zeph+Risen? Don't be dense. The second one you linked was b/c zeph was lurking. You should know that I just b/c I want lurkers dead doesn't mean I want them lynched. I'd rather they be shot. I don't see the contradiction. One post does not a lynch target make. You know what we CAN do? We can press people tomorrow and see how they react. | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:02 layabout wrote: ottox if you don't switch onto MG i will kill you Are you claiming vig? Wtf | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:06 Mattchew wrote: why do you care if he is blue or not when he isn't up for lynching also, I have posted reads on ottox throughout the day. I will vote for him to be lynched over zeph Probably b/c layabout should know better than to claim openly in thread. Layabout should KNOW that vigs don't shoot until after scum, so that "claim" doesn't make any sense whatsoever. | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:07 johnnywup wrote: I'm thinking of doing a last second push onto you risen. I don't think theres enough time/people available to do it however. Come tomorrow I hope I see your name on the day post, shot from a vig. If not, I want you lynched. I'm confident you're scum now. And you are confident why? I look forward to your case. Paq is probably pissing himself he's so happy he has a convert. | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:09 layabout wrote: Is layabout referring to a) The fact that his vote should secure an ottoxlol lynch b) He has decided to claim vig which would allow mafia to block the one shot he would have by shooting him during the coming night less derp more lynching MG Then you should probably have said you'd vote for him not just say you'd kill him... | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:12 johnnywup wrote: stop nitpicking. that phrasing doesn't and shouldn't make a difference. And why the hell not? I'm not the only one who gave a giant wtf when he did it. Don't try and make this look like I'm the only one who reacted. | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:14 johnnywup wrote: obviously youre not the only one who reacted risen but after he said what he meant you should understand what he meant rather than making it a bigger deal than it is Fair enough. On April 26 2012 08:13 PaqMan wrote: lol yeah i did. You still fail to actually explain yourself. You were telling Town on D1 to push Zeph hard. D2's about to be over, zeph's at high risk at being lynched and then you're saying that you didn't see anything scummy in his filter until just recently. wassup with dat? Why don't you go look at the timings of when I said that. I wanted zephyr dead in the night b/c he was lurking D1 and did a last second vote. He didn't die. D2 he presented himself and he's been here, no longer a death target in my book because he's not lurking anymore. He's been pushed hard and I haven't found anything he did to be scummy until very recently and in my mind that's more desperation than anything else. There is no contradiction. | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:23 johnnywup wrote: I dunno, doesn't seem like you thought he's scum because he's lurking. Maybe b/c there were a million lurkers D1 so to be even more hated in my mind you'd have to do something stupid like a last minute vote? He was leaning red start D2, he became greener to me with his posting, he started to appear more scummy but in my mind that's desperation about being a candidate for lynching. I think zephir is stupid, but I think he's stupid town. I'm not switching my vote to him. | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:47 PaqMan wrote: I better be wrong about OttoxI. It's pretty clear that Ottox is just bad town. If you compare him with Zeph, zeph is a hellota scummier than Ottox. How do you come to the conclusion that ottox is just bad town and zephyr is scum? | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:56 Risen wrote: Lynch is first player to the highest number of votes at the end of the day (normal TL lynch) I don't like this. Ottox is my read... I'm changing to zephir. I can't be on the same person as BM. Horrible reasoning. I can't do it. | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:13 PaqMan wrote: Wait, what? Why are you assuming that you're going to get lynched? If I was a townie I would vote me and I don't know anything that could change my mind. I'll do everything I can before I'm gone. | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:15 johnnywup wrote: yeah, why is he assuming he isn't going to be shot by a vig first? he def should die one way or anotherWhy would this "vig" you're talking about shoot me? I'm pretty much auto-lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:16 PaqMan wrote: Okay, so you believe that the actions you just did are lynch-worthy. Soooo... why did you pull that voteswitch the first place? Did you not think about that before-hand? I think it's pretty clear I panicked at the last second. I considered layabout's point that ottox was contributing to the thread more than zeph was and then my mind said well BM is voting ottox I should get off this guy. Then when I swapped I realized how stupid I was being and so I swapped back and wasn't even thinking about the fact that a tie would now lynch zephir. I'm really sorry guys. This seems to happen to me in every game I'm in and I always end up screwing the thread up. I think I'm taking a break from mafia after this game. | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:18 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Risen how frantic were you voting on day 1? Why would I be frantic voting on Day 1? I was frantically trying to get people off VE if that's what you mean. I don't understand. | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:23 BroodKingEXE wrote: So why did you switch your vote so much(on day 1)? I am trying to figure out if this was a heat of the moment thing or a scum slip. I think you changed it 3 times and even said that you were fine changing to about 3 other people. Wait what? I placed a useless vote on layabout and then changed it once to BM way before deadline. | ||
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On April 28 2012 03:00 BroodKingEXE wrote: OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread. ##Vote: St. Daniels I agree completely. Which is why ##vote MidnightGladius jk, back from classes. Gimme a while since I'm playing eve atm | ||
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Anyways... Here it is 10mins before the day post. ghost_403 + Show Spoiler + I don't see where any scum suspicion on Ghost comes from, he's at worst a null read. Someone said earlier that you should look at every action from both town and scum perspectives and I don't see scum acting the way he does. This is WIFOM, though and just a small part of why I don't see him as scum. He's been actively pushing ottoxlol who happened to be my strongest read prior to leaving and while this may be something he's doing trying to go for town cred, he's been pushing him from very early and he points out that the guys filter is 7 pages long at this point and useless. marvellosity + Show Spoiler + I don't know how he's managed to go from being a lynch candidate day 1 with his vote on VE to someone who hasn't received as much attention as others on that list, but it probably has to do with his activity in the thread and general contribution. His bouts with BJ were annoying but who am I to talk? At this point I've given everyone who was on VE a baddie pass and this applies to marvel as well. I think it was stupid to vote for him, but stupidity != scum. Moving on, dude has 11 pages of filter, and while a lot of it is fluff, a lot of it is genuine scumhunting (even if he's wrong sometimes) and most importantly to me, he justifies his votes with well thought out logic. If marvel is scum he's doing a primo job of it. johnnywup + Show Spoiler + Dude keeps making wild swings on my town/scum meter. One second I'm like damn that's some scummy shit bro, and the next I'm trying to figure out how scum could look so town. He's all over the map with his opinions, and as he said early on he sheeps b/c he's bad or something. To me I don't know how to take that statement. Self-depreciating humor is great, but it's also a great mask for scum. Regardless, he's been active and I don't consider him as a lynch candidate come tomorrow at this point. mattchew + Show Spoiler + Honestly, when I clicked on his filter I expected him to be a lurker that had somehow escaped my notice. Instead I find 10 pages worth of posts. Wtf? I had a complete null read on him. So I'm reading through all his posts right now and I see a few cases, he gives reasoning for his votes, but idk he makes a case on paq d1 and then kind of lets it drop off. I guess maybe he thought paq looked town and backed off. He does nice research, though, and he responds to a lot of stuff. Leaning green. Janaan + Show Spoiler + You have two pages of posts, and SOMEHOW in spite of this Janaan is green in my mind. Maybe it's a quality over quantity thing (his posts aren't all long either) but he doesn't sheep and he gives reasons for everything he does. Honestly, though, I wish he would post more. I hate lurkers, and if he posted more he'd be a lot easier to read. It's like the opposite of mattchew here, he posts not as often, but I thought he had been posting actively. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + Dude has two pages of filler just like Janaan but I challenge you to find the same amount of quality. He's lurking, and the only somewhat redeeming quality I've found in him is that he doesn't really shit up the thread that much. It's like his posts are trying to direct people or something I don't know. He doesn't have that much to read, my feelings against him are almost strictly because I hate lurkers. But now that I'm going soft on Janaan I find it hard to berate him for lurking when there's other people lurking. I just wish no one lurked... BroodKingEXE + Show Spoiler + Didn't even know he was in the game until Day 2.There's quite literally almost FOUR DAYS between his posts April 22 2012 13:57 April 26 2012 02:19 That's taking what BM has managed to accomplish and placing on an entirely different level. I have no idea how he avoided a modkill, but I'm leaning towards iGrok not wanting to fuck scum that early. Is he the second goon? Then there's this and this is the only quote I'm putting in here because it's atrocious. On April 29 2012 01:45 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Mattchew: Mementoss's thoughts are important, but BM disagrees with his posts while mocking the death of a blue. His post implies that he wants a response from menmentoss (who he says is dead). @johnny: This is why: He has been jumping around with his accusations the whole game without digging hard into any one case. I felt his posting started to look better toward the middle of page 2 of his filter, but these last two posts are very scummy. St. Daniels has been lurking, but the way he is doing it is really bothering me (behind our backs Zeph vote). No one is willing to pay attention to him due to how inactive (alledgedly) he is. This is a perfect cover for a lurking Mafia in my mind. Lurking isn't good, it is a very pro-mafia behavior. I have seen posts from these lurkers that further reinforce my suspicions. If we don't look at their posts due to thinking their "too easy" targets we will never be able to find Mafia. I am looking at others posts, but as far as I can see these two are the most scummy. Yeah? Lurking isn't good? I'm beginning to think that maybe the entire scum team just up and decided goons should lurk this entire game and see if town would rip itself apart. It's been working pretty well so far... [UoN]Sentinel + Show Spoiler + Caught somewhere in the twilight zone he has 4 pages of posts and I wouldn't say he's truly lurking, but he isn't posting that much content. He keeps making excuses about why he doesn't do anything over, and over, and over. Maybe that's why he has more posts than the other lurkers? I'm not leaning town on Sentinel and he's actually probably more scum than anything else in my mind, but he's been voting ottoxlol and why would he do that? That's some heavy WIFOM, though. PaqMan + Show Spoiler + Honestly I hate the fact that he's tunneled me at every opportunity, but when I look at it from scum point of view I don't know why he'd give himself up like this. When I look at it from town view, well shit I would probably hate me too. Having said this, he isn't unwilling to consolidate his vote when he realizes it's a useless one, as opposed to BK. He's also been fairly active this game. I say this through gritted teeth, but paq is probably town. If he's scum he's doing a very good job of being town. Ottoxlol + Show Spoiler + Finally, we come to the man who should have been lynched but because I fucked up didn't end up getting lynched. Then he managed to avoid another lynch and this is probably a lot my fault for checking out. Ghost just said in thread in thread that ottox has a 7 page filter that is useless. I'd like to expound on this and further push that he's the king of fluff. He's not actively scum hunting, and all of his defense posts are entirely useless. His defense against BJ's case on him was to quote it. That's almost all he does, is quote other people's work and either sheep on it or say it's bad. Just now as I'm reading his filter he posts cases on ghost and paq? What? His case against ghost is really just him defending himself and I don't even get his case against paq... Given my previous case, and this most recent nonsense I'll be voting ottoxlol for the third day in a row if I live, which also happens to be why I'm waiting to post this list so close to day post. I'd rather not have a giant X on my back and they probably think I'm just making empty promises again. I was prepared for pushing BKExe tomorrow but Ottox needs to be lynched. Tomorrow my first post will be ##vote ottoxlol | ||
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On April 30 2012 09:37 johnnywup wrote: hey guys im eliminated from the tournament so i have a few moments to look over the thread. first off: do you have proof sentinel? I believe you but I'd like proof just in case Ottox is confirmed Not Goon from sentinels. I think we should aim for goons before GFs, even if we have confirmed scum. GFs are useless at this stage for scum, we don't have a vig so they don't have any real powers. We need to aim for the KP before we kill the GFs, imo. So if anyone has any idea who the Goon is, we should lynch that person. Killing scum is the most important thing to do right now. If anyone can present a case on someone that will make me think they're scum more than ottox is then I will change my vote, but I'm not seeing it. Our priority needs to be lynching scum, we aren't at lylo right now we don't need to panic. | ||
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On April 30 2012 10:23 Janaan wrote: Here's what I think we should do. Sentinel's claim is true, if somehow it's not, we'll have a counter-claim and we'll have 2 scum caught (Ottox and Sentinel) Since we know we have a JK, if we do come to any consensus on who the Goon is, we have Sentinel jail that player. If there's no night kill, we know that we were right, we lynch that player and continue. If there IS a nightkill, then we would have been wrong about who the goon was anyway, and therefore should lynch our biggest scumreads anyway. As far as I can tell, Ottox is almost universally considered scummy. Unless a compelling case emerges, I think we need to finally deal with him today. I'm not sure your plan is a very good one.... From the OP 2x Mafia Goon: You may kill at night. You are not required to kill. | ||
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On April 30 2012 10:29 PaqMan wrote: Haven't read the rest of the page but WTF. You cannot possibly be serious right now. First off, how can you so easily believe Sentinel's claim. Secondly, how can you possibly be certain that Ottox isn't goon Thirdly, Ottox has escaped our lynch TWICE. I'm not going to let it happen a third time. Fourthly, I'm not going to lynch someone that may or may not be scum over an obvious one that's chillin right in front of us. How did you miss the fact that sent told us he jailed ottox last night? Ottox isn't the goon... | ||
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On May 01 2012 12:19 BroodKingEXE wrote: I am kind of confused about Ghost. I know its WIFOM, but he doesn't really fit being scum in my connection map. The case makes sense though, should I post mine (I made a case on Ghost) as well? No. | ||
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On May 01 2012 17:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have no problem with the ghost case, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea he's scum. Otherwise, I can take care of BM tonight. We'll know if he's a goon or not by tomorrow and then we can go from there. Why the hell would you go and say this out loud in the thread. Now we get to have the WIFOM Olympics tomorrow because any smart goon is going to hold his shot (assuming BM isn't goon). Get hype, time to go for gold. | ||
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((Obviously ottox being the last scum team member)) | ||
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On May 02 2012 08:33 PaqMan wrote: Yeah, Sent could not have planned, as scum, to claim JK since D1. I'm sure sentinel's claim is true. You're going to eat your words when it comes out that BKExe is the goon. 100% He is going to be lynched tomorrow. | ||
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In advance. I'm sorry if you flip town ottox. I fucked up, I didn't read the filters well enough. BUT NEITHER DID ANYONE ELSE in this sorry excuse for a game | ||
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On May 02 2012 08:35 johnnywup wrote: How are you so sure our last blue is a vig? What? | ||
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That applies only to ottox and not other people. GF and vigs flip GF | ||
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On May 02 2012 08:43 PaqMan wrote: Uhhhh idk, Risen's entire theory about Sentinel lying about is claim and is actually scum? Sure it's a possibility but I just don't see it being true. Plus it really looks like Risen is trying to save ottox AGAIN by fishing votes off of him and onto BK, without telling us what makes BK 100% scum. Except I haven't changed my vote b/c I realize ottox is dead no matter what I do. | ||
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On May 02 2012 08:47 PaqMan wrote: Ottox can you please actually try to convince me to take my vote off of you instead of mocking us like scum?... There's no way to save ottox at this point. Anyone who changes their vote is going to look like they're saving him. If I had found this shit earlier in the day he wouldn't be confirmed town, but he'd certainly be safe. BKExe should have been our lynch today. Thankfully it looks like he's going to be modkilled in the next 10 minutes and then all we have left to lynch is 2 GFs. If ottox ends up being one of the GFs then 1 GF. | ||
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On May 02 2012 09:09 johnnywup wrote: yo risen i think it was ottox or BM that pointed that out earlier. you're not the first to notice that. Bullshit, I'm the very first one who saw it look at my filter. It's with my giant caselist right before this most recent daypost. | ||
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On May 02 2012 09:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If BKEXE is by some chance goon and maybe iGrok didn't count my thing or whatever, he dies and town wins. If BKEXE is not, then I'm right (as I usually am) and we're down either a bad player or (more likely) one scum. Risen is definitely scum, I don't know where BM fits into this but I'd drop him down to #8 in that chart of mine, especially since he has absolutely no evidence I'm not JK. I claimed JK because even if Otto does get lynched, we need to find the goon. Also, when marv died he was talking about me possibly being scum. I wouldn't want to be in purgatory. I want to be regarded as townie so that my reasoning is properly counted. So I claimed. And now all is clear. Now, my dear friend Risen, I have one last question for you. Are you the servant, or are you the master? Suddenly the guy who calls him out is the scummiest on his list. Bravo, sir, bravo. | ||
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We'll talk about it postgame. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:07 johnnywup wrote: PS Risen: You didn't post reasoning before day post. What gives? Changed my mind. There's no real need to since Sentinel is confirmed town. | ||
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On May 03 2012 12:09 iGrok wrote: Scum wins when they outnumber town, or nothing can prevent this. So this means at 3-3 town can't prevent a townie being lynched, right? | ||
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On May 03 2012 13:40 johnnywup wrote: ##unvote ##vote Risen I think we have the best chance of hitting scum in risen, regardless of who's telling the truth between sent and matt. also his "I quit" doesn't help his cause. I can't believe you're even entertaining Mattchew's claim as being true. Your mislynch is costing us the game. We already should have lost, and now you're just pissing away our second chance. And Paq, the either town idiot or brilliant scum who's been tunneling me all game for NO REASON. And YOU johnnywup. I've never seen someone flip flop more in a game. You're worse than Romney. I'm done with this circus. We got a second chance and it's being thrown away. | ||
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On May 04 2012 07:54 ghost_403 wrote: @paqman: I fully support this, and honestly, I need another couple of days to figure out which one of them is town. Sent's town game has been lackluster and scummy the whole time. Mattchew spends a lot of time advising the vig to shoot, which is thinking outloud if you believe his claim. I dunno what to make of it, but I think Risen is obviously scummy, and would be very happy with that lynch. We have Sent 'jail' BM again, which regardless of his claim leaves us in a pretty good location. We can WIFOM it over the night. I think lynching Risen is the best option. Sent, Mattchew, does this sound like a decent compromise to you both? Also, we need everyone in the town in on this, or the scum are just going to ninja vote this away from us. How is this not the scummiest thing on the planet? You're asking sent/mattchew if it's a decent compromise? One of those two HAS to be scum and you're asking them if it's a good compromise? Scum team is (sent or matt)/BM/Ghost. That's my final answer. How horribly scummy. I can't believe this trash. | ||
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On May 04 2012 08:14 ghost_403 wrote: I've had a scum read on you all game, Risen. Don't believe me? Check my filter. Today, I am voting to lynch scum. As a bonus, it gives me more time to figure out which one of them is lying. The reason that I want a compromise is this. This is lylo, which means that if the town doesn't work together, it loses. I want a compromise so that the scum agree to work with us, and can't screw up our lynch at the last possible moment. Also, you're right. That post looks scummy as fuck. Don't blame you for pointing that out. What is this some sort of cop out "Oh well yeah I'm acting scummy but I'm not scum". So stupid... if town doesn't lynch you today I don't know if I can see myself playing another game of mafia. Outrageous. Changing my vote to ghost. | ||
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On May 04 2012 08:16 PaqMan wrote: Every time you get put on the spotlight your only defense is OMGUS. What have you done to help town? oh yeah nothing. After your horrible voteswitch didn't you say that you were going to make a lot of cases and posts? Didn't you come back after you supposedly "gave up" and said you were going to get back into the game? And then you said you were quitting AGAIN. What's up with that trash? I really hope that you're just trolling us. And what have you done all game? You haven't done diddly. You've made cases against me and NOTHING ELSE. | ||
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On May 04 2012 08:19 PaqMan wrote: Well I guess you're done playing mafia because you're getting lynched. How do you know? Trying to direct people onto me? I'm not set to be lynched right now. Get your facts straight and stop being horrible. Look at my actions this entire game, how the hell do you come up with scum? Tries to save VE, beating drums and screaming at people to get off him. He made the smart choice and just stopped reading the thread. Then I messed up when I last second changed my vote but it didn't end up mattering anyways because both people were town. What scum would do that if they knew alignment? Then I push ottox because he's my scumread knowing that if he flips scum I'm going to be lynched next because for some reason everyone has it in their heads that ottox scum risen scum ottox town risen town. What the hell hairbrained logic is that? People flipping one way or the other hardly EVER has anything to do with confirming alignment unless it's in the case of someone lying in a role. Guess who we have lying right now, it's either Mattchew or Sentinel and you're going to place your vote on ME. Your vote should be on one of THEM. WE ARE AT LYLO and you're not voting for the two people who are possibly LYING openly in thread. One of Sentinel or Mattchew is LYING. I don't know what I'm doing with my vote on ghost, it's going back to mattchew and I'm going to sit here and pray you guys pull your shit togather. How do you come to the conclusion that because Sentinel or Mattchew are openly lying in thread I have to vote Risen. Jub jub herp derp lalalalaala. Logic? What's that. I've never heard of it | ||
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On May 04 2012 08:21 PaqMan wrote: ebwop: I've also made cases against Mattchew and Fos'd other people. More than what you can say for yourself. Your play the entire game literally consists of Raging whining insulting and quitting. \And now you're sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalala, Risen is scum, lalalala. We have two people in this thread claiming one of which has to be lying but lalalala I'm voting Risen. Yeah you're good at this mafia stuff Paq, keep at it buddy. | ||
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On May 04 2012 08:42 ghost_403 wrote: What I find most interesting is the fact that Risen isn't really pushing us to lynch either Sentinel or Mattchew. If he was really town, wouldn't he say "You two are stupid, obviously this one is scum"? After all, lynching a town Risen would lose the town the game. We have to get this lynch right, and Risen's not helping us do that. You mean I expect you to make your own reads? Damn. You right man. I've made it clear Mattchew is lying. What the hell else do you want me to say? HE CLAIMED HE SHOT ME GHOST HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE THREAD? Who the hell am I going to vote for, the jk claim or the man who is lying saying he shot me? Do you honestly think someone could find mattchew's claim believable when he claims he shot them? What do you want me to do. Build a case? Here's my case, Mattchew claims he shot me. HE'S LYING. If you believe Mattchew then why the hell are you voting me instead of Sentinel? Oh wait, because you didn't THINK about your vote. You expect me to do all the thinking FOR you | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:13 PaqMan wrote: Yeah, he's not pushing either one besides voting Matt. His post is basically saying "Vote one of the blues and get off me." But what really bothers me the most about the whole ordeal is that Mattchew's claim could have been a last-ditch effort to save BM from getting lynched. I want to see Sentinel posting more when he returns. How could I possibly push Sentinel when I know Mattchew is lying? It doesn't even make SENSE | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Here I am. I'd be ok with lynching Risen. He was on my scumlist, he's been long-suspected, and he's been buddying me for some odd reason (I liked it better when you called bullshit on me bro, but now I got matt for that so meh). Point being, I got nothing to lose. Matt might, but more on that in a second. If Risen goes down today, I'll jail BM and we'll see. If mafia does not kill again, then BM walks the plank and town wins. If mafia kills again, they were in fact pretending last night, and game over. Matt, I want to hear your opinion on this. On one hand, you rid yourself of Risen. On the other hand, I'm still around and you don't want that do you? Somehow me agreeing to this you'll use as evidence to paint me as scum? But definitely go ahead with this if it means town works together for once. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU GUYS ALL DAY Buddying you? How the hell am I buddying you? You're my only fucking option. You know Mattchew is lying 100% and yet you push for a lynch on ME?! You KNOW Mattchew is SCUM. | ||
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2) Sentinel is lying. Lynch Sentinel How the hell do you come up with One of them is lying. Lynch Risen? | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:49 PaqMan wrote: I guess I forgot to tell you this, but I think your scum. And I'd rather lynch scum dead-on than have a 50/50 chance with Mattchew/Sentinel. Mattchew needs to come in here and make a response. Alright, that makes sense (it doesn't because you can not have me confirmed 100% unless you're scum). Don't know why I came back. I'm pulling a VE and leaving. GG scum. | ||
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I told him not to reveal them :< | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:05 gonzaw wrote: johnny, why did you leave your vote on ghost? Paqman, why did you make a last minute switch on Sentinel correcting your spelling? Risen, why did you make a last minute switch from a atownie to anotehr townie¿ MAtthcewlf dslfjiofefjoaijsfjsdf ...sorry, that's going to happen every once in a while Who's going to lynch the guy who swapped from one townie to another? What kind of idiot scum would do that? :D:D:D:D WIFOM OLYMPICS BROOOOOO | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:11 gonzaw wrote: Wait, are you guys sure the scum team wasn't Ottox/Sentinel/BroodKing/Janaan? Please recheck your notes iGrok. Rofl | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP. Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. It was only your words of encouragement that kept me going, sir. <3 Ty for hosting and ty blue for co-hosting. Most fun game of mafia I've had, probably only b/c I got to see the worst town logic in my life being used at every possible decision hahahaha | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh Don't feel bad. I did my very best to muddy up the waters this game and I think I did a good job of it  | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:41 gonzaw wrote: Even if your claim "makes sense" if you were town, it also makes even more sense if you were mafia. Also Sent's claim doesn't make sense if he was mafia (I've already explained the reasons in the obs QT), therefore he was town and you were not. Also, I've said it before, but I had a feeling Risen made the last-minute switch to incriminate Ottox once he was lynched... ...not that he'd make the switch to gain more cred once Ottox was lynched. Still that was mindfucking. If I didn't do something drastic I was going to be lynched the next day (at least, that's what I was thinking). It seemed no one wanted to lynch BM for reasons that are beyond me so I threw a hail mary. It worked, I'm shocked it worked, I'm shocked at this whole game. | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:46 johnnywup wrote: so who was the goon? BM right? Yes. Both our goons were trolltown trolls this game. It made mattchew and I really, really sad. | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:46 layabout wrote: That is A problem with TL towns. Other problems include: Deliberately doing the absolute worst thing you could possibly do with your role Not reading the thread Waiting until the last possible second to vote Not reading the thread Not reading the OP Tunnelling a player relentlessly for no particular reason Insulting others for the sake of it Not posting much at all Refusing to establish you innocence Breaking the rules Not using their roles Not discussing anything at all Being uncooperative Not reading the thread Your summary is fantastic. | ||
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On May 05 2012 12:31 slOosh wrote: Ah just remembered VE mislynch. Any suggestions for handling those situations? Never lynch doctor claim day 1? Seems pretty solid to me. | ||
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On May 05 2012 13:01 BroodKingEXE wrote: @slOosh Look at everyone's reasoning behind the lynch was a biggy, anyone can make mistakes don't let scum tunnel for them. Only a lurker scum was on VE. Town talked themselves into it. Scum never did a single thing to help that lynch. You guys literally made the worst decision you could make in that situation. Was completely illogical. I couldn't believe it. | ||
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On May 06 2012 03:37 Mattchew wrote: Lol he thought he could force a double lynch Wat? No I didn't :S | ||
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On May 06 2012 04:23 Zephirdd wrote: lol even if it wasn't intended, the consequences of that play were excellent for him. It was intended. | ||
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I never once said I was going for a double lynch. I tried to think of something an idiot townie would do and then rolled with it. | ||
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On May 06 2012 10:01 BroodKingEXE wrote: Risen actually made a big scumslip. If he was town he would've told me why he thought Ghost was scum when I asked or at least why connections don't overule scummy posts. I definitely don't think you know what a scumslip is. | ||
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On May 06 2012 13:08 johnnywup wrote: nice post gonzaw, i agree. I think if more scum start doing what Risen did, it'll start being a lot harder to scumhunt for town and it will force both sides (mafia and town) to improve their skillsets. Overall, doing crazy stuff that "scum wouldn't do" because it brings them to the light is good, BECAUSE it doesn't really have a scum agenda. If a lot of scum posts don't have a specific scum agenda in mind, it becomes a lot harder to scumhunt, like I said. I'm kinda rambling here but overall just props to Risen for doing that. I think what needs to happen is that people need to post cases more instead of sheeping/lurking. By forcing scum to post cases you'll find serious flaws because if townies play town-like, it becomes REALLY hard for scum to build an easy case. An active town is really, really hard to beat. Thankfully some people like to lurk/play scummy as town for no apparent reason. | ||
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