TL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 5

On May 01 2012 07:57 johnnywup wrote:
What do you mean use a break? You haven't posted anything except that to take a break from

Three things to sum up what you said in the post: Sent pointed out a mistake in MG’s post, he made a townlist, and "I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping.". Three things to counter what you said in this post: He did this so as to prevent misunderstandings about him bandwagoning, not everyone thinks townlists are bad, and you made an excuse post yourself:
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On May 03 2012 09:46 Risen wrote:
Mattchew is lying.

I had a strong feeling that mafia would hold its kill in order to mislynch (and it pains me to say this) Bill Murray.

On May 02 2012 08:28 Mattchew wrote:
what if sent is fake claiming and the real blue is just waiting for the right opportunity. I believe sent but idk

On May 02 2012 08:30 Mattchew wrote:
meh fuck it.. sent you need to jail BM and we need to lynch Ottox. We are doing all the right things to come back from this travesty of a game

On May 02 2012 10:26 Mattchew wrote:
sent should jail BM
and we should lynch BM tomorrow

that is all

goodnight

TLDR; We are actually in LYLO, I am Vig, Risen and Sent are scum. Bill Murray is confirmed town.

I had a strong feeling that mafia would hold its kill in order to mislynch (and it pains me to say this) Bill Murray.

If mafia claim vig, and claim to shoot a target, and then do so with their own KP, this can happen:
The Goon claimed vig, and he uses his KP to shoot his claimed target: Then he wastes his other KP. If he was real vig, then there would be an additional KP, but in this case there isn't. In this case he HAS to claim that the target of scum's KP got Jailed, which can bring problems to him depending on the real JKs, for instance if there is no JK he's fucked).
In this case, a tracker on him will watch him visit his claimed target
Also, in this case (if a tracker tracks him), they can't "shoot" someone, claim their shot failed and say his target was GF, because the tracker will instantly know it's bullshit.
The GF claimed vig and he uses the Goon's KP to shoot his claimed target: Same as above, but only the Goon will use his KP. So if a tracker tracks him, he will know he didn't shoot his target and will know he's scum.


I guess this means that maybe the GF's won't fake-claim vig, and the Goons will instead? In that case, if we ever lynch him, he will flip Goon and we will know 100% that he was scum when he's lynched.
If he was GF and we lynched him, since he would flip GF we wouldn't be 100% sure he was scum.


So to fake-claim, scum have to choose between:
Goon claiming:
Pros: Being protected from tracker's results
Cons: Not creating confusion if they ever get lynched. Having to rely on JK's to claim their shots

Godfather claiming:
Pros: Creating confusion if they ever get lynched,
Cons: Relying on JK's to claim their shots. Not being protected from tracker's results.

Cons from both of them: If they don't want to rely on JKs to claim their shots, scum have to fake a claimed shot on a target, and say that his target is GF after there is no kill the next day. This will lead them to a 1v1.

Weird Scenario that they can use: If a Goon claims vig, that night he can use his KP to shoot a GF; then the next day he claims that scum's KP was blocked by a JK AND that his target is GF. Trackers on him will see him shooting the GF, so that may "confirm" him, although it seems too wild (but well, I'm editing this post so I am free to put anything I want, so fuck you )



The point is that they have to choose, they HAVE to do something. We will force them to react to our plans, and hopefully they fuck up their plans/fake-claims and we catch them easily.

Your argument is that I am admitting I was wrong about BM after pushing him all game? Thats it? You didn't know I was the vig, but you did know that I was actively pushing BM, this made him the perfect candidate, cause if you claim to jail BM and no kill occurs, you know that I will push for BM's death as hard as anyone.

Your plan failed because I know you are not Jailkeeper therefore scum held their kill on purpose to mislynch BM and win. BM is being painted red by scum because he was the easiest mislynch target.

But what really bothers me the most about the whole ordeal is that Mattchew's claim could have been a last-ditch effort to save BM from getting lynched. I want to see Sentinel posting more when he returns.

On May 04 2012 10:14 PaqMan wrote:


And how does that clear Risen of being scum.

On May 04 2012 11:01 PaqMan wrote:
@Sentinel why do you believe Risen is town? Why did you retract your opinion right after johnny made his objection to the lynch? If you really are telling the truth, why would you want to vote BM instead of the scum that's counter-claiming you?

I don't like how you make a post and disappear. You've been doing that since Day started and Mattchew counter-claimed.

sent is fake claiming, he can fake claim he jailed another person and then have scum hold kp. also forgot that he can have his goon (which could very well be him) kill and him say he jailed someone other than BM.

On May 05 2012 00:35 ghost_403 wrote:
Johnnywup, stop playing stupid. If we can't get all of our votes onto the right candidate this lynch, mafia are just going to voteswitch at the last moment, mislynch a townie, and end the game. This lynch has to be Sent v Mattchew. Earlier, I was wrong for pushing Risen this lynch (even though I still think he's scum), and you're wrong for pushing me now. Now, start working with the town to make sure we do this lynch right.

If/when we lynch scum tonight, I would be more than happy to discuss lynching me. Right now, we have better things to do.

I'm still trying to figure out which one of them is town. I've found both a town and scum game from Sent, but only town for Mattchew. Can anyone point me to one where he rolled scum?