I'm a cop you idiot mafia
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On April 13 2012 19:09 Radfield wrote: /in ^O^ | ||
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On April 13 2012 22:19 Palmar wrote: new rule added: instant majority: 5. This game uses instant majority voting. As soon as someone is hammered they're dead. Please be respectful and stop talking immediately even if a host is not around to flip you. Just say GG and wait for the flip 6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain. If a no Lynch is reached, everyone must still have casted a vote (you can vote for ##Vote: No-Lynch) to clarify. The day ends as soon as everyone has casted their votes, be it towards no-lynch or another player. You CAN unvote. No Majority/No-Lynch Majority both end in no-lynch. GUYS...... We have to beat Purgatory Mafia's record with a faster day phase than 20 minutes. | ||
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On April 14 2012 07:17 Tunkeg wrote: So this have been churning in my mind all day: COP CLAIM. Now that we have doc protection on night 0, cop should claim and doc should heal him. Why do I think this is a great idea: Pros: 1. We get a confirmed town or a counterclaim. 1. a. We got a confirmed town, which makes it easier for us to scumhunt. 1. b. We get a 1 for 1 trade with scum. Which isn't as great is pretty great considering there are only 2 scums in this game. 2. Scum will be shooting in to the 4 townies leftover (Doc must protect cop after claim obviously). They will then have a 1/4=25% chance to hit one of our important blue players, instead of a 2/5=40% chance of hitting one of our blue players. 3. As long as cop is alive we get a new confirmed town for every day or a scum. Cop should post his checks as vanilla town=town. Scum= scum. Doc= Checked doc will not reveal. On day one this narrows the field to either 2 confirmed town and 4 remaining players giving us a 50% chance to lynch scum (which should increase by reasoning). Or it gives us the first scum to lynch. Cons. 1. Scum knows our Cop (obv). 2. Scum can lynch into any other town at night, securing guaranteed kill knowing doc is on cop. This also include picking of the ones Cop reveals as confirmed townies the night after they are reveales. 3. If Doc is killed or lynched we lose our Cop, and we will be in some real trouble. So guys any thoughts on this? I am for a Cop claim. Tunkeg, its insta-lylo tommorow if mafia get an NK. | ||
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Tunkeg scum => Radfield Tunkeg scum team BH scum => BH & ??? Scum team. | ||
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On April 14 2012 10:20 johnnywup wrote: EBWOP: That's enough to make me confident you're scum. Scum. ##vote Tunkeg its not day yet...... | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote: You should try to lynch the 2nd scum first imo Well do that If you tell your who's your buddy | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:45 Radfield wrote: So what you're saying is that Dirkzor is probably Town? Yes. | ||
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My mind tells me that dirk being drunk is a sign of being town because i don't think scum would've kinda did that IMO, aside that he has been giving his opinion on stuff like BH\tunkeg thing | ||
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On April 14 2012 09:44 Radfield wrote: I like that both of you spent time discussing the cop claim first. Right now after an extremely cursory glance I have deduced that Blazinghand is probably the scum. I'd say at least a 56% chance. I think this is a bus but depending on if you live or not after n2 my opinion will change. | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:55 Blazinghand wrote: BH just claimed scum lets kill him? | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:56 wherebugsgo wrote: do you purposely try to sound stupider every time you post? That's what I think, you have a bone to pick with me or something? | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:57 wherebugsgo wrote: like, no shit if he doesn't live it's not a bus....what the fuck? Generally I think your town somehow also based on this and based of elimination it's jwup or radfield | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:59 Radfield wrote: and yes, if I die I assume it would change your opinion of me..... Mostly my opinion of you is because I think you bussed and of elimination your one of two candidates for 2nd scum. | ||
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Hammer him gaiz | ||
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Elimination and he's been active, and I don't think scum would lunge at me like that. | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote: *bluelightz No, end of story I'm useless town? Okay? | ||
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On April 14 2012 20:06 Radfield wrote: Your saying bugs is scum? Also, let's drop this... I'm gonna regret this if our scum but I think your town now, well you convinced me..... Just to be clear, you think this was a bus: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 12:24 Radfield wrote: Ok, I think Blazinghand is the fake-claimer and I'm writing this now as I don't expect to live through the night. Let me tell you why. Lets first consider mafia motivations for this game. You KNOW that it's all about th cop, and counter-claiming the cop. If I rolled mafia, first thing I'm doing is discussing which of us is going to claim as the cop. Also consider this: mafia want to be the first out of the gate to claim cop, because whoever claims second generally looks like a pretty lame counter-claimer. So mafia will try to be johnny-on-the-spot and snipe the claim before the actual cop. Anything that gives you a measure of credibility is worth it, considering one has to assume this game will be decided on the slightest misstep. Hence mafia will be looking for an excuse to claim early. I'd like to talk first about why I think Blazinghand is scum, then I will talk about why I think Tunkeg is the actual Cop. Those two points are mostly exclusive. There are several reason I think Blazinghand is scum and first is his demeanor. First is his response to me on page 3: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 08:46 Blazinghand wrote: That doesn't make his idea wrong though. Look, here's what's gonna happen D1: we'll be at lylo. Our cop needs to claim NOW, and get medic protection, and NOT call who he is checking. Scenario A (cop does not claim): We enter D1 and the mafia has possibly shot the cop. The cop can claim at this point and we have 2 confirmed town, or 1 confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum. If the cop got shot, though, we're flying blind. Scenario B (cop DOES claim): We enter D2 and the mafia cannot have shot the cop, because the medic protected him overnight. THE COP CANNOT HAVE BEEN SHOT, meaning we have 2 confirmed town, or 1 confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum. I think that even though it's gonna be LYLO tomorrow, the cop should claim, and the medic should just protect him. On April 14 2012 08:51 Radfield wrote: I want to discuss this Tunkeg, but NO ONE claim yet. There are pro's and con's to each claiming + counter-claim, and not claiming at all. At the moment I'm leaning towards it being better to not claim. Keep in mind that barring a hero medic protect, we are in constant lylo no matter what. I'm at work right now, but will be home in just over 2 hours. I would like to discuss this in depth. After typing that, it's possible that claiming IS the best call because it forces a 50-50 lynch, which is decent. I'm not sure yet though, so hold off until we discuss. Stick around for two hours(or 2.5) though and I'll be here. On April 14 2012 08:53 Blazinghand wrote: Ok. Bear in mind that the night is pretty short (only 10 hours left). I'll be around for some time. The only reason I brought this up again was that an N0 claim could be more advantageous than a D1 claim-- mafia has no RB. His response to me is deferential and defensive. He gives an excuse for why he brought it up, when no excuse was needed. There was nothing even really wrong with his post, except for the fact that he completely leaves off mentioning a counter-claim scenario. How can you entertain the idea of a cop claiming but not notice the obvious counter-claim scenario. It's conspicuous in it's absence. Fact is, I wasn't even responding to BH, I was talking to Tunkeg, as you can see by my next post. Second is the contradiction between this: and this: Keep in mind that Blazinghand's claim came apprx 2 minutes after I posted my analysis of 'to claim or not to claim'. If his strategy was truly to 'discuss it with other players until it's clear what the optimal strategy is", he most certainly did NOT do that. What he did was leap at the first opportunity to claim cop that he had. There was basically no discussion of the pros and cons or potential merits of claiming or not. Just me stating that one was better than the other, when I had JUST posted that I was feeling muddled about the potential cost-benefit analysis and was asking for people's thoughts. Remember that mafia are looking for a reason to claim first, and my post is an easy excuse. In this post BH also states the the game is "clearly about the cop", yet in his initial post he completely fails to talk about counter-claims, which is bizarre. From there on out it's just a shoving match between Tunkeg and Blazinghand. The crux of my argument truly comes down to the contradiction. Blazinghand claims that his whole mindset was to discuss and wait for the optimal strategy, and then claim. However he waits only for my opinion, and then claims. But what if I am scum and being intentionally misleading!? BH gives no thought to that(because he knows i am town), but immediately claims in thread. I hold that the immediacy of that claim is due to not wanting to be the second claimer, because BH KNOWS there will be two claimants. Tunkeg on the other hand, I have a fairly town read on. First his opening post shows he cares about and has thought about the game. It includes things such as medic save percentages, which is something that isn't an obvious pro/con at first glance. His post also reads like a cop just begging for someone to say "Hey Cop! TIme to claim!". He then follows it up with trying to encourage discussion, which doesn't happen. Second, Tunkeg claims he first sent in a check on Blazinghand, and then changed once the CC happened. He follows up by saying: This is actually pretty good logic, and shows that either he has been thinking about his check, or is just really good at making shit up on the fly. Lets compare and contrast BH and Tunkeg's claim-posts: One is well structured, with blue font and a couple well reasoned sentanced. The other is slapdash and spontaneous. Speaking as a player who has played as scum before, I would NEVER make a post like Tunkegs as a fake counter claim. My post would look exactly like BH's. Safe, Neutral and most important: First. BH accuses Tunkeg of being scummy for not going to bed, and returning to the thread. However this is the exact opposite of typical scum play. When you say you're going to bed as scum, you go to bed. It's when you say you are going to write an analysis or something is when you actually don't follow through. Town players are constantly drawn back to the thread, while mafia players are constantly looking for reasons to leave it(usually). Look at my posting this game, I stated I was going to wait until I got home, but then just kept posting from work at the expense of my work(hint: it's because I am town). Look at the demeanor of each player. Tunkeg seems relaxed and come-what-may. BH seems wound tightly and defensive. I'd like to write more, but frankly I'm tired. Here's hoping the medic sees me along to Day 1 (I doubt it though!). Additionally(upon refreshing the page) I think the rolecop thing is likely a red herring. The OP states this: "Cops can investigate someone's alignment every night". Which means that no, Tunkeg will not be able to get back 'medic' as a result(which I had thought). However, I think one would only know that if you read the OP carefully because.... It doesn't actually say anything in the cop PM! Blazinghand states this: And he states it as if that information is written into his role PM and not just publicly available. As we know, the role PMs only state this: "Welcome to Idiot Mafia. You are a Cop/Vanilla Town/Doctor/Mafia Goon". So it's perfectly understandable that Tunkeg could mistake how his role works, particularly with me stating the same thing(and him only agreeing with me). Again, I think it more likely that a scum player will be meticulous about the fine detail of the fake claim, and not unlikely that the actual cop might miss that blurb. I'd give about 70-75% chance right now that BH is scum. You realize that ludicrous right? The reason scum shot Tunkeg is because BH was outted, mainly by my spearheading. At that point no one was calling BH scum, and there was in fact gas on the Tunkeg fire because of his rolecop thing. Once BH was out in the open it only made sense for mafia to shoot Tunkeg. Yes, BH was obviously bussed, and that makes posts like this more legitamate: and posts like this fairly scummy: | ||
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On April 14 2012 20:21 wherebugsgo wrote: that's not an answer to the question "who is the second scum" I answered radfield. | ||
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Jwup is town because in my mind scum won't go this far on a person or as far as voting said person. Im open to change though | ||
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On April 14 2012 20:13 Radfield wrote: Also, let me reiterate. KIlling Tunkeg is actually a BAD move, unless the mafia cop-candidate is already in a bad position relative to the real cop. If you still have 50/50 than it makes sense to leave the cop and fight it out, because the medic has a good chance at a hero save N1. I'm less interested in Johnny and more in Dirkzor. What are your thoughts Dirkzor? | ||
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On April 14 2012 20:32 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg x Blazinghand: Bro Love Act I Scene III JAKARTA- Mall Exterior. Overhead shot of Tunkeg and Blazinghand walking along the sidewalk. Blazinghand is talking animatedly with Tunkeg. Tunkeg is holding his cell phone. Camera pans over to PALMAR, who pushes his way through the crowd, following the two sexy mafia lovers. Cut to shot of left hand in pocket. Cut to shot of PALMAR's face-- a dark grimace, with teeth clenched. Fade to wide shot: the busy subway stop. 2 rail lines pass through the center of this station, with platforms on either side. Large electronic billboards on either wall. Tunkeg and Blazinghand are standing close to the rails, talking animatedly. PALMAR comes down the stairs and spots them. Close-up of PALMAR pushing through the crowd. A woman's voice intones that the train has arrived, first in Indonesian, then in English. Split-screen shot of PALMAR breaking through the crowd as Tunkeg and Blazinghand enter the train and sit. PALMAR slips through the safety barrier just before it closes, entering two traincars behind. Cut to JAKARTA EXTERIOR -- wide shot Tunkeg and Blazinghand exiting train, with PALMAR following them. Pan to Tunkeg. Tunkeg I dunno, I think I should call her now, while she's still thinking about it. Blazinghand Trust me, younger lover-- if you do that she won't want to talk to you. Tunkeg She gave me her number! Blazinghand Look, it's only going to annoy her if you call her now. Let her think about you a little. You can't seem desperate, or she won't want to talk to you. Tunkeg I know that, but-- oh, here's a shortcut. We don't want to go around the block. The lovers turn down a narrow alley that cuts through the city block. PALMAR turns the corner behind them, a dark figure silhouetted against the bright surroundings of the city street behind them. As they walk down the alley, Blazinghand grabs Tunkeg's phone from his outstretched hand. Blazinghand You're not allowed to use this for the rest of the day, you're probably texting her right now! Tunkeg, laughing Hey! Give that back! They struggle with the phone, and finally Tunkeg wrests it free. He looks up and sees PALMAR approaching. Tunkeg What- Close-up as PALMAR leaps forward, elbowing Tunkeg in the gut. Tunkeg doubles over, coughing. PALMAR follows it up by grabbing Tunkeg's head and kneeing it. Tunkeg grunts and falls to the ground. His cell phone clatters to the ground. Ground-level close-up of cell phone screen. TO: 555-8364 MSG: I'm glad you enjoyed it, too. How does Saturday sound? The phone cracks under PALMAR's shoe as he steps back. Pan up to PALMAR blocking a punch from Blazinghand. The older man's finely-tuned physique is an awe-inspiring sight in hand-to-hand combat. Blazinghand steps forward as PALMAR recovers, grabs him by the torso and takes him to the mat, pinning him easily. Blazinghand What's the meaning of this? PALMAR, gasping You violated the agreement, and you will be punished like anyone else. Nobody is above it, not even one of you. You know what happened with Bill Murray. Blazinghand You can't come against me. Not you, not the president, not ANYONE. I'm the greatest brood war player alive, and the council exists only by my hand! So I make it, so I can unmake it. PALMAR, smirking There will be more after me. The others aren't like you-- they have no limits. They'll break your shoulder, your hand if they have to. More will come. Nobody is above the rules, not even you. Blazinghand, snarling I wrote those rules. If more of you will come, then let them come. Tell your chairman that this is a warning: next council meeting I'm retaking the chairmanship, there's nothing he can do to stop me. Blazinghand lifts PALMAR and dumps him into the trash can, headfirst. He closes the lid. Blazinghand grabs Tunkeg's phone and grabs Tunkeg, lifting him over his shoulders. Sweat trickles down Blazinghand's firm, supple muscles as he carries his groggy teammate out of the alley. Blazinghand reaches the other end of the alley. Tunkeg stirs, and Blazinghand sets him on his feet. Blazinghand's face shows deep concern for his teammate, Blazinghand, whispering to the semiconscious Tunkeg You're bleeding... we've got to get you cleaned up and fully-awake before D3 or you're gonna lose all your cases. Come on, man, hang in there... Wide shot-- with Tunkeg's arm around his shoulders, Blazinghand presses on into the bright JAKARTA day. The silhouettes fade into the sunlit background. Fade to white. Jakarta? | ||
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On April 16 2012 15:07 Dirkzor wrote: Now Radfield, care to share some of your reads? So far you haven't really beside the tunkeg/BH situation n0. Who do you think is the last scum? BL, any thoughts? Im thinking that Its either Radfield/You, Leaning on Radfield but I think we should no-lynch today, it will make my mind much-much better with 1 more guy out of the equation. | ||
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johnny is town because IMO scum wouldnt go that far on Tunkeg like johnny did Its either you or Radfield because out of elimanation you and radfield are left out as the most not sure town reads, I'm still leaning on Radfield but depending on tonight's NK im maybe going to change. | ||
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I WILL NOT DIE, EVER. Scum will never kill me period. I'm a liability and an easy mislynch for scum. Therefore I singled out my most confident town read(jwup) , There's how I got you/radfield. IMO, you are town for example because of for example this pressure on me. That's why I'm leaning on Radfield. I said my reads can change because: -Medic can Claim -Rad/you might die. If johnny dies: This, I am not sure, I guess by this case if johnny dies and doesnt flip medic we can find the final scum ez.But if he does, I'm not gonna be sure anymore, but IF that really happens, I'm going to go with my most confident scum read: Radfield. Lastly, I am town, don't deny it, Wondered why I havent died? I'm town and I'm an easy mislynch, Dirk in all the games you played with me have you not learned? Why I always live to LYLO? Am I town? Would scum stress this topic this much? | ||
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##Vote: No-Lynch | ||
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also: On April 13 2012 18:31 Palmar wrote: Cop Tunkeg Doctor Johnnywup Vanilla Town Radfield Vanilla Town Wherebugsgo Vanilla Town Bluelightz Mafia Goon Blazinghand Mafia Goon Dirkzor | ||
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MEDIC CLAIM NOW. | ||
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On April 17 2012 20:06 Dirkzor wrote: Nice surge of activity BL. I'm writing from work so this won't be long. Blue is the last scum. If I'm not and BL is not claiming medic then Johnny have to be medic. That means BL is the last scum. I just can't figure out how he guessed Johnny was medic? There are no way to know who the medic is.. as scum or town?! So he guessed and got lucky? ##Vote Bluelightz GG BL. To bad we all figured you out anyway... hi scumslip | ||
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On April 17 2012 20:06 Dirkzor wrote: Nice surge of activity BL. I'm writing from work so this won't be long. Blue is the last scum. If I'm not and BL is not claiming medic then Johnny have to be medic. That means BL is the last scum. I just can't figure out how he guessed Johnny was medic? There are no way to know who the medic is.. as scum or town?! So he guessed and got lucky? ##Vote Bluelightz GG BL. To bad we all figured you out anyway... you know if you lynch me we'll lose the game rait | ||
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On April 17 2012 20:06 Dirkzor wrote: Nice surge of activity BL. I'm writing from work so this won't be long. Blue is the last scum. If I'm not and BL is not claiming medic then Johnny have to be medic. That means BL is the last scum. I just can't figure out how he guessed Johnny was medic? There are no way to know who the medic is.. as scum or town?! So he guessed and got lucky? ##Vote Bluelightz GG BL. To bad we all figured you out anyway... Here ye, here ye Dirkzor just claimed scum thanks Dirk. Logic = Im Town, johnny is medic, your town? nahhh your scum Dirk my logic worked out after all <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Die scum, one must never question meh logic | ||
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Vote me --> Scum Win vote Dirkzor --> Town win Should be a no brainer for town. If we lose please blame it on me thanks~! | ||
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On April 17 2012 22:41 Dirkzor wrote: How is that a scumslip? Are you going BH on us now and just spam up the thread because you know you lost? From your posting its clear you'll never claim medic. I'm not the medic, I'm town. That means Johnny is the medic and you are the last scum! I've just got home so I'll re-read and filter in a bit. Try to actually make a case (more then I already have) instead of using convoluted logic... Err my logic is that I think you are scum? Good effort dirk but your not town blame it on me though if jwup votes me I played terribly. DIRKZOR IS SCUM. I'll repeat that. Idc about making a case because you went from not sure town to sure scum with your first post in this day I'm not medic = scum or town but I know I'm town so your scum. JWUP. Hammer dirk and your sig will change for da better Hey dirk would town keep on stressing the fact that he's town? Would scum openly claim? | ||
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On April 17 2012 23:27 johnnywup wrote: Kinda looks like im rushing to type right? lots of words put together? First letter of each multiword spells out IAMDOC. So yeah, I'm doc. But you guys know this already, as of today. I also don't like your surge in activity, BL, and your argument against him isn't that good. Anyways, I'm not gonna vote just yet, even though I'm 99% sure it's BL. I need to go to school and will read filters hardcore when I'm back. Jdub if u vote me we lose. End of story. I'm the 1% rofl. | ||
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Side note: I want to release my emotions right now ;; | ||
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I think I'm going to wake up finding town lose because of me so gg good game dirk u played well. Hereby ignoring DIRKZOR and never responding to him ever again. | ||
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;; I thought people could believe me just this once ;_; One-liners dont mean any fucking shit if that's really all he want's to say, hell I could just make a fucking list, speculate on crap and still consider it fucking worthy? Also I can see why jwup protected Dirk Scum (He thought it was me) will kill directly into dirk/radfield to incrimenate the other therefore he protected Dirkzor thinking he would get hit and confirm radfield and dirk and jwup. Well played Dirk . If only I pushed my reads more | ||
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On April 18 2012 19:49 Tunkeg wrote: This game was won because of good scumplay, and to an extent low activity by town. You might say it is random, and sure there will allways be some randomness, but in the end it came down to scum outplaying town, again. Don't apologize BL. Yeah, you may be hard to read, but thats part of the game, some players are harder to read. If everyone was easy to figure out this game would be pointless. As long as you try your best to win regardless of alignment don't apologize. And also for you johnny, don't feel down for beeing wrong. I love how these pro veteran comes in after the game and tell how easy it was to see that Dirkzor was scum. Don't know if their motives is to make you look bad or to make themselves look great. But in hindsight everything is easy, so don't feel bad. Its fucking hard not to because I was the one scummy in the first place and that's why johnny voted me. EDIT: and this time I was called worst player evar by everyone town! | ||
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On April 18 2012 21:21 opisska wrote: Oh sorry, I messed the similar nicknames. I meant Bluelightz, of course. Sorry to both (to one for insulting him., the other one for not doing so). What Blazinghand was doing was actually funny And as for the randomness: I agree that sometimes, you can just analyze the game. But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it (if the setup is complex with many roles, maybe sacrifice a couple of players to negate these roles or waste their time, such as the cop CC in this game). If some mafia do not do anything to help their cause, then the shooting is completely random. What Drizkor did this game was farily close and was very effective. It also nicely uses the fact that in a public setting, there will be townies who "just can't help themselves" like Bluelightz. edit: misspell that acidentally changed the whole meaning sorry, I have one injured finger today, so my typing is just bad. I take all the offense | ||
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On April 18 2012 21:34 Tunkeg wrote: Well you were the only player ingame to figure out the secound scum, that have to count for something, right? jdub wouldve figured it out as well if I died but then I didnt u_u edit: take this to PMs if you want to go further. | ||
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On April 18 2012 22:20 Palmar wrote: yeah, that's really annoying. Just skirt by and triple stack him night 1. Purgatory Night 1 and 2 | ||
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On April 18 2012 22:14 marvellosity wrote: One lesson I got from this - don't roll scum in a game with syllogism playing town >.< Oh you should fear palmar too Grackaroni, RoL, and Jackal58 were scum in the first quote(Purgatory Mafia), the second jay xtf hassy(I replaced him :D) was from student mafia. | ||
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