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On April 18 2012 19:49 Tunkeg wrote:
This game was won because of good scumplay, and to an extent low activity by town. You might say it is random, and sure there will allways be some randomness, but in the end it came down to scum outplaying town, again.
Don't apologize BL. Yeah, you may be hard to read, but thats part of the game, some players are harder to read. If everyone was easy to figure out this game would be pointless. As long as you try your best to win regardless of alignment don't apologize.
And also for you johnny, don't feel down for beeing wrong. I love how these pro veteran comes in after the game and tell how easy it was to see that Dirkzor was scum. Don't know if their motives is to make you look bad or to make themselves look great. But in hindsight everything is easy, so don't feel bad.
Its fucking hard not to because I was the one scummy in the first place and that's why johnny voted me.
EDIT: and this time I was called worst player evar by everyone town!
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On April 18 2012 18:32 opisska wrote:This is why I don't play mafia here (or on the internet, speaking globally). Because a) it is again and again shown how random it is without physically interacting with the people b) it is played with people like Blazinghand who think that this kind of behaviour is good (or even fun). In this game, all what it took for Mafia to win at the end was to basically play for town. Nevertheless, its fun reading you guys  (and I finally succeeded in following a mafia that enede up short enough to keep my attention!)
This is completely wrong. Yes, there is always a random factor, but there is a reason that after multiple games it's very easy to identify strong and weak players.
Blazinghand's behavior would be punished in most games by the mod. I generally choose to instead simply give the players tools to deal with something like this, in this game by simply instantly lynching him.
Really, anyone who thinks mafia is a random game is saying simply being ignorant. And having played 30+ games online and quite a few in real life too, I can say that real life mafia is much less engaging, and in a way more random. Because you lack the ability to go scrutinize everything someone has said.
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Oh sorry, I messed the similar nicknames. I meant Bluelightz, of course. Sorry to both (to one for insulting him., the other one for not doing so). What Blazinghand was doing was actually funny
And as for the randomness: I agree that sometimes, you can just analyze the game. But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it (if the setup is complex with many roles, maybe sacrifice a couple of players to negate these roles or waste their time, such as the cop CC in this game). If some mafia do not do anything to help their cause, then the shooting is completely random. What Drizkor did this game was farily close and was very effective. It also nicely uses the fact that in a public setting, there will be townies who "just can't help themselves" like Bluelightz.
edit: misspell that acidentally changed the whole meaning sorry, I have one injured finger today, so my typing is just bad.
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On April 18 2012 20:34 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 19:49 Tunkeg wrote:
This game was won because of good scumplay, and to an extent low activity by town. You might say it is random, and sure there will allways be some randomness, but in the end it came down to scum outplaying town, again.
Don't apologize BL. Yeah, you may be hard to read, but thats part of the game, some players are harder to read. If everyone was easy to figure out this game would be pointless. As long as you try your best to win regardless of alignment don't apologize.
And also for you johnny, don't feel down for beeing wrong. I love how these pro veteran comes in after the game and tell how easy it was to see that Dirkzor was scum. Don't know if their motives is to make you look bad or to make themselves look great. But in hindsight everything is easy, so don't feel bad. Its fucking hard not to because I was the one scummy in the first place and that's why johnny voted me. EDIT: and this time I was called worst player evar by everyone town!
I actually think you played like you always do and would have thought you were town. But I kinda had to call you scum  You had a big inactivity period which you normally don't have.
In hindsight I should have not killed anyone the last night. If Johnny had protected me I was home safe. If he had protected someone else it would be a similar situation as it was, with a 50/50 situation - and most probably between myself and BL =) That would have been an awesome move =)
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On April 18 2012 20:34 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 19:49 Tunkeg wrote:
This game was won because of good scumplay, and to an extent low activity by town. You might say it is random, and sure there will allways be some randomness, but in the end it came down to scum outplaying town, again.
Don't apologize BL. Yeah, you may be hard to read, but thats part of the game, some players are harder to read. If everyone was easy to figure out this game would be pointless. As long as you try your best to win regardless of alignment don't apologize.
And also for you johnny, don't feel down for beeing wrong. I love how these pro veteran comes in after the game and tell how easy it was to see that Dirkzor was scum. Don't know if their motives is to make you look bad or to make themselves look great. But in hindsight everything is easy, so don't feel bad. Its fucking hard not to because I was the one scummy in the first place and that's why johnny voted me. EDIT: and this time I was called worst player evar by everyone town!
Well you were the only player ingame to figure out the secound scum, that have to count for something, right?
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On April 18 2012 21:21 opisska wrote:Oh sorry, I messed the similar nicknames. I meant Bluelightz, of course. Sorry to both (to one for insulting him., the other one for not doing so). What Blazinghand was doing was actually funny And as for the randomness: I agree that sometimes, you can just analyze the game. But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it (if the setup is complex with many roles, maybe sacrifice a couple of players to negate these roles or waste their time, such as the cop CC in this game). If some mafia do not do anything to help their cause, then the shooting is completely random. What Drizkor did this game was farily close and was very effective. It also nicely uses the fact that in a public setting, there will be townies who "just can't help themselves" like Bluelightz. edit: misspell that acidentally changed the whole meaning sorry, I have one injured finger today, so my typing is just bad.
I take all the offense
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On April 18 2012 21:34 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 20:34 Bluelightz wrote:On April 18 2012 19:49 Tunkeg wrote:
This game was won because of good scumplay, and to an extent low activity by town. You might say it is random, and sure there will allways be some randomness, but in the end it came down to scum outplaying town, again.
Don't apologize BL. Yeah, you may be hard to read, but thats part of the game, some players are harder to read. If everyone was easy to figure out this game would be pointless. As long as you try your best to win regardless of alignment don't apologize.
And also for you johnny, don't feel down for beeing wrong. I love how these pro veteran comes in after the game and tell how easy it was to see that Dirkzor was scum. Don't know if their motives is to make you look bad or to make themselves look great. But in hindsight everything is easy, so don't feel bad. Its fucking hard not to because I was the one scummy in the first place and that's why johnny voted me. EDIT: and this time I was called worst player evar by everyone town! Well you were the only player ingame to figure out the secound scum, that have to count for something, right?
jdub wouldve figured it out as well if I died but then I didnt u_u
edit: take this to PMs if you want to go further.
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On April 18 2012 21:21 opisska wrote:
But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it.
You say this, but through hundreds of games not a single player has been able to do this consistently. Not to mention that as soon as you start playing multiple games, your style becomes more exposed for analysis.
While I think we're far from having hit any kind of a skill ceiling in this game, it is arrogant and frankly a bit dumb, to assume that the game is as simple as you make it out to be.
do you think this forum would've existed for years without there actually being some merit to the game?
You say Dirkzor played a convincing scum game, but syllogism figured his name out (via pm) during n0 in the game. Do you think it's random luck? There is a reason some townies die faster than others.
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On April 18 2012 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:21 opisska wrote:
But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it. You say this, but through hundreds of games not a single player has been able to do this consistently. Not to mention that as soon as you start playing multiple games, your style becomes more exposed for analysis. While I think we're far from having hit any kind of a skill ceiling in this game, it is arrogant and frankly a bit dumb, to assume that the game is as simple as you make it out to be. do you think this forum would've existed for years without there actually being some merit to the game? You say Dirkzor played a convincing scum game, but syllogism figured his name out (via pm) during n0 in the game. Do you think it's random luck? There is a reason some townies die faster than others.
One lesson I got from this - don't roll scum in a game with syllogism playing town >.<
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yeah, that's really annoying. Just skirt by and triple stack him night 1.
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On April 18 2012 22:20 Palmar wrote:
yeah, that's really annoying. Just skirt by and triple stack him night 1.
Purgatory Night 1 and 2 
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On April 18 2012 22:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:09 Palmar wrote:On April 18 2012 21:21 opisska wrote:
But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it. You say this, but through hundreds of games not a single player has been able to do this consistently. Not to mention that as soon as you start playing multiple games, your style becomes more exposed for analysis. While I think we're far from having hit any kind of a skill ceiling in this game, it is arrogant and frankly a bit dumb, to assume that the game is as simple as you make it out to be. do you think this forum would've existed for years without there actually being some merit to the game? You say Dirkzor played a convincing scum game, but syllogism figured his name out (via pm) during n0 in the game. Do you think it's random luck? There is a reason some townies die faster than others. One lesson I got from this - don't roll scum in a game with syllogism playing town >.<
Oh you should fear palmar too
On January 21 2012 13:11 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 20:21 Palmar wrote:
between risk.nuke and Grackaroni, I'd much rather have a look at Grack, since I'm actually willing to wait for risk's initial contribution.
I would actually have no problem with lynching people like RoL or Jackal day 1.
Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:09 ElectricBlack wrote:On December 06 2011 10:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Atm i wouldnt vote hassybaby for the same reason i didn't vote Bbyte. Hassybaby has not been able to defend himself. And now that Bbyte is hear hes came to late to defend himself. I hope hes mafia but i dont have a good feeling about this. And I think you're the last scum That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy. Game solved. Next one? ![[image loading]](http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2011/3/18/1/enhanced-buzz-15854-1300424464-1.jpg)
Grackaroni, RoL, and Jackal58 were scum in the first quote(Purgatory Mafia), the second jay xtf hassy(I replaced him :D) was from student mafia.
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On April 18 2012 21:21 opisska wrote:
And as for the randomness: I agree that sometimes, you can just analyze the game. But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it (if the setup is complex with many roles, maybe sacrifice a couple of players to negate these roles or waste their time, such as the cop CC in this game). If some mafia do not do anything to help their cause, then the shooting is completely random. What Drizkor did this game was farily close and was very effective. It also nicely uses the fact that in a public setting, there will be townies who "just can't help themselves" like Bluelightz.
Please play a game as scum faking "playing for town" and see if you don't get caught. You sound like you are really really lazy and don't want to have to read further than the physical content of people's posts.
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I love games like this, can we have more of them?!
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Blazinghand
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On April 18 2012 23:50 chaoser wrote:
I love games like this, can we have more of them?!
I concur. Thanks again to Palmar for hosting and Mattchew for not giving Dirkzor away cohosting. The setup was good and intense, I would play this sort of thing again.
+ Show Spoiler + just kidding mattchew
Also looking back on it I think Bluelightz was playing to his "town" meta as opposed to his scum meta. He's one of those players who you have to look at his previous games to read him, or else he's just unreadable but if you DO look at his meta, he's readable.
On April 18 2012 21:21 opisska wrote:
And as for the randomness: I agree that sometimes, you can just analyze the game. But that is mainly because people are not playing mafia as effectively as they could. I believe that there is a simple winning strategy for mafia in any online game: play for town. Imagine what you would do as town and do it (if the setup is complex with many roles, maybe sacrifice a couple of players to negate these roles or waste their time, such as the cop CC in this game). If some mafia do not do anything to help their cause, then the shooting is completely random.
wrong: mafia will not shoot themselves. seriously though if you think this game is so easy, you're wrong. people still play it and work to become better at it.
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On April 18 2012 18:32 opisska wrote:This is why I don't play mafia here (or on the internet, speaking globally). Because a) it is again and again shown how random it is without physically interacting with the people b) it is played with people like Blazinghand who think that this kind of behaviour is good (or even fun). In this game, all what it took for Mafia to win at the end was to basically play for town. Nevertheless, its fun reading you guys (and I finally succeeded in following a mafia that enede up short enough to keep my attention!)
I fail to see at all how this win was random; 3 townies in a row failed to see who the scum was between 2 players, one townie failed to establish himself, and one scum played well enough to fool all of them.
It's not random that we though Radfield was town or Blazinghand scum. There were specific reasons for everything that happened this game and if you were reading it clearly you would know that. Don't discredit the play of the participants by calling the outcome random.
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Blazinghand
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On April 19 2012 02:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 18:32 opisska wrote:This is why I don't play mafia here (or on the internet, speaking globally). Because a) it is again and again shown how random it is without physically interacting with the people b) it is played with people like Blazinghand who think that this kind of behaviour is good (or even fun). In this game, all what it took for Mafia to win at the end was to basically play for town. Nevertheless, its fun reading you guys (and I finally succeeded in following a mafia that enede up short enough to keep my attention!) I fail to see at all how this win was random; 3 townies in a row failed to see who the scum was between 2 players, one townie failed to establish himself, and one scum played well enough to fool all of them. It's not random that we though Radfield was town or Blazinghand scum. There were specific reasons for everything that happened this game and if you were reading it clearly you would know that. Don't discredit the play of the participants by calling the outcome random.
In fact, I forgot to mention in the post-game discussion: mad props to Radfield for basically shitting on my n0 play and forcing us to shoot Tunkeg. It moved us from a "we can get lynched once and still be alive" situation to a very grim one.
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Yes, radfield (and tunkeg for looking very townie) won the game right there basically, unfortunately the medic was apparently distracted by another game or something...
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syllo, ive never played a power role before. :\
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