Power roles are a bitch... I actually found it easier to play scum then anything else so far. With this being my first game as mafia. Maybe because I was alone. I didn't have to pay attention on how I pushed a buddy... I had free reign to push BH n0 as I would as a town so it made it easy. After that I just pointed out what I felt was scummy...

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 18 2012 19:39 GMT

#423

I think my breadcrumb was pretty creative though. no one except me could be able to point that out/find that

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

April 18 2012 19:41 GMT

#424

I typically don't find rolecrumbs to be worth anything. When I roll a blue, I don't crumb my role, I just crumb my actions/results, since those are worthwhile when you claim. I know that if I were in the habit of crumbing my blue roles, as scum I'd put some crumbs for a blue role-- so I don't ever crumb my role. same effect, less effort.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 18 2012 19:43 GMT

#425

That's true. I figured a scum could breadcrumb too, breadcrumbing results is much better. Didn't think of that

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

April 18 2012 19:45 GMT

#426

Whenever I play as a Doctor (I've never been a DT), I crumb who I'm going to save in some incomprehensible (except when pointed out, in hindsight) fashion, so that if I save a guy, and that guy gets wagoned later and I'm forced to roleclaim to save him, I can do so more effectively.

If I were a DT I wouldn't crumb my actions before the night (unless there was some mechanic that made it advantageous to do so) but would crumb my results each day, so that later on when I claim (or if I should be NKed) people can find out / confirm my results. At least, that's the plan if I ever roll a dT.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 18 2012 19:54 GMT

#427

can you give me an example of a post you breadcrumbed of you saving someone that night? for reference :o

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

April 18 2012 19:59 GMT

#428

On April 19 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote:
can you give me an example of a post you breadcrumbed of you saving someone that night? for reference :o

OK I can't find my N1 crumb but here's my N2 crumb from Student Mafia, in which I was a Doctor:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&currentpage=47#933

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

April 18 2012 20:03 GMT

#429

As scum it's not terribly hard to fake crumbs even of your checks, it's just most players are too lazy/scared to do it.

The cool thing about doing it as scum is that you can potentially breadcrumb multiple things at once if you're really good, then when you're in a sticky situation you just use whatever would help you out the most.

I've never been in such a situation yet but it's something I thought about after my fail claims from Mini X and Storm.

Dirkzor

Denmark1944 Posts

April 18 2012 20:04 GMT

#430

I never care to Breadcrumb. think its stupid and I can't find them anyway myself :D But then again I've only been vigi so far.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 18 2012 20:04 GMT

#431

it's not obvious to me, who were you breadcrumbing that you were going to heal?

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

April 18 2012 20:05 GMT

#432

Typically though early on as scum it's difficult to know exactly what you should be crumbing (ie are you claiming doctor, jk jk jk, or DT)-- though I guess you could make your crumbs either ambiguous or have multiple crumbs, but it seems possible you could get found out if that were the case.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

April 18 2012 20:06 GMT

#433

On April 19 2012 05:04 johnnywup wrote:
it's not obvious to me, who were you breadcrumbing that you were going to heal?

Velinath.

On December 10 2011 09:42 Blazinghand wrote:
MJY: Just because Veli attacked bad posts a lot doesn't necessarily make him town. Keep your eye on him as always, guys.

Also, it shouldn't be obvious unless it's pointed out-- that's kinda the point.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 18 2012 20:08 GMT

#434

That's what I thought. But pointing it out later it still seems ambiguous. I think there's no way to convince everyone that you are actually doc by quoting that post.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

April 18 2012 20:09 GMT

#435

On April 19 2012 05:08 johnnywup wrote:
That's what I thought. But pointing it out later it still seems ambiguous. I think there's no way to convince everyone that you are actually doc by quoting that post.

?? The point is that IF scum targets Velinath that night, AND I save him (they roleblocked me), AND there's a wagon on him later, AND I claim doc and say that veli must be town because I saved him (no vigis that game), then people won't lynch him. Also that crumb is utterly unambiguous in my eyes... I basically say I'm saving Veli.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 18 2012 20:11 GMT

#436

But I just wonder how that says that you're healing him. It stood out to me as the one you were talking about, but I wasn't sure why.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

April 18 2012 20:13 GMT

#437

On April 19 2012 05:11 johnnywup wrote:
But I just wonder how that says that you're healing him. It stood out to me as the one you were talking about, but I wasn't sure why.

Oh, I think I get the problem here. You don't know who Ma Jae-Yoon is! MJY is a transposition of MYJ, which is the initials for a famous brood war player whose handle is "sAviOr"-- he later became notorious in a match-fixing scandal.

EDIT: this is something I would point out in my roleclaim