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yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 16 2012 05:22 GMT
#670
well then

that didn't go very well lol
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 16 2012 20:26 GMT
#708
Hey just got back from school. A lot to go through. A vote count would be great atm. Gonna read through everything. xat, hiropro, and dittert are my top 3 mafia picks so it is a matter of degrees of certainty for me. I will look things over and see what's what.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 16 2012 21:49 GMT
#718
Looks like we aren't going through on dittert today. Sort of odd but ok. So I am weighing xat vs hiropro. Xat I still think really posts in a mafia way. I still sort of hate this cost/benefit analysis thing he does where he pleads to people's self-interest to vote a certain way. It is just reflective of a general viewpoint towards lynching that the point of it is to survive or to kill which I think is a bit different from how a townie views it. This is a very "emotional" sort of read so it may just be coming from my own admitted total bias against xat. Right when he starts to appeal to my interests to move towards hiro (aka saving him) I cringed and just wanted to vote him even harder.

ON THE OTHER HAND!:
Who are his teammates? Maybe I am just biased towards myself and egocentric etc whatever but I feel like the xat case originates from me. And was easy to shut down initially. I start going at the guy at a time when I myself don't have a lot of credit and most people are still reading xat as pretty town at this point. I think my arguments against him could have been shouted down pretty easily but they weren't. People kind of sat there on the sidelines and looked at it and let the discussion happen. I just think two mafia players could have shut me down right then and there and no one would be looking at xat today.

Hiropro on the other hand has a very very obvious teammate. I went through his filter way back and show him again and again defending ditt. I don't have nearly the patience to substantiate this but my feeling is this is one of the most consistent alignments of any one player towards another so far in the game. I don't know how much dittert reciprocates back though.


So I'm still on the fence here. Xat still seems mafia. However, this one time, his cost/benefit analysis of the lynches is I believe correct. There IS more upside to a hiro mafia flip as it gives us a go-ahead play on a lynch tomorrow or even a vigi shot tonight which would put us in a very strong winning position with all the time in the world to route out the remaining mafia player. If he flips town well he wasn't contributing too much anyway.

Are we so far behind that we have to go for the double play or lose? 3-7 it is right now? That's not great, they only need one or at most two townies to come with them for a lynch on whomever they choose.

Soooooo. Not sure.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 16 2012 22:01 GMT
#723
I am pretty much exactly where you are func. Really want to head out and lift but I have to make a decision before I go.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 16 2012 22:07 GMT
#726
It is really down to intuition at this point. Everyone thinks they are super logical and have great cases etc but even the BEST cases of the whole thread are still by an "academic" standpoint really weak. So in my experience playing the sc2 mod mafia are almost ALWAYS quiet. xat talks a lot. hiro is quiet

##Unvote
##vote: Hiropro


bye gg gl I hope when I come back we are winning
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 17 2012 15:02 GMT
#776
Well my biggest read is xat and I kind of have blinders on for him right now. All I can think about is who his teammates are but I need to take a few steps back and consider others.

My biggest question is how is hiro so sure of xat? He seems 1000% sure. I am thinking about this
On April 15 2012 08:41 GreYMisT wrote:
Doctors and Doctorees are notified of a succsessful protect


But nothing is coming to me right now that is really viable.

So I trust hiro now obviously since we know he is town and he was dead set on xat and he was my top guy until late last night as well. I'm pretty much stuck on xat atm.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 17 2012 17:28 GMT
#783
Here's one thing we know about the mafia: they are good

so scenarios like xatalos going for this risky/aggressive playstyle with high volume posting is very possible as is acro trying to come out and be a town leader. that they are just lurking seems not so likely anymore. I believe we have been manipulated into the poor situation we find ourselves in.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#785
I don't think mafia usually make such big slips like the their/our thing. Plus I believe it is grammatically correct once he establishes "town" as the subject he has to stay with third person. "the town has killed our own doctor" makes it sound like the town killed a mafia doctor

It is a weird post though I will give you that.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 17 2012 17:56 GMT
#789
Was hiropro not killed by mafia?
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 17 2012 18:12 GMT
#792
To what degree do you think they influenced the switch? Also would like xat to answer this or anyone else
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 18 2012 03:34 GMT
#836
On April 18 2012 11:25 willz22912 wrote:
, I have posted that a lot of you still find me as suspicious and posting bad cases would only continue to make me look bad, and posting cases on people who suspected me would only reek of OMGUS and be hard to substantiate. This is defensive reasoning for why I haven't contributed, but it's the truth unfortunately.

So you were afraid to post because it would make you look guilty. But when you were up on the chopping block you were willing to sacrifice yourself to give us the "connection" info that your flip would give us. At one point you are willing to engage in fearless town play, and at another trying to avoid suspicion at all costs.
How can you reconcile these two positions?



@ Xatalos:
You are not helpful when under scrutiny. You get very defensive. Look at page 6 of your filter. You go into "survival mode". Even pleading to my self interest to vote switch to save you. When others were about to be lynched, or were about to die they posted as much useful information as possible to help town before their death. Please respond to this allegation.


Dittert I am waiting for his "big D3 post that we will all ignore".
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 19 2012 18:09 GMT
#887
I agree 100% that this another last minute confusion play yet again.

##vote: dittert
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 19 2012 18:35 GMT
#900
On April 20 2012 03:23 funcmode wrote:
I don't understand Yomi's vote... isn't the mass confusion play he's agreeing with Willz's point, who suggested voting Xatalos, not Dittert?

I'm so confused right now...

well like dittert said (most logical thing of the game so far) you can only vote him or KB at this point.

why do this now? the day is 48 hours. why now? give me a break. I'm not going for this bs again.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 19 2012 20:47 GMT
#943
On April 20 2012 04:35 willz22912 wrote:
Again @ all town, I advise you to ignore Dittert's DT claim and either vote myself or Xatalos as originally intended for D3 and by Acrofales/HiroPro.

If you think Dittert flipping scum would give weight to me being his teammate and grounds for a lynch D4, then you have your proof right now and can get rid of me instead first. Dittert's post all but incriminates us together, lynch me now then instead of lynching him.

If you think my case against Xatalos has any merit, and can see that what I'm saying about Xatalos bussing Dittert his scum teammate, then vote him instead and when he does flip, you can see his true intentions, which is so much more information than what lynching Dittert would provide for town. If town gets a choice in lynching two almost certain Mafia, town should lynch the Mafia that would give town more information, since we can only lynch one at a time and we are not completely certain of a person's alignment until they flip, unlike Mafia who already know who their enemies are.

You are saying if xat is mafia ditt is also mafia, but if ditt is mafia xat could still potentially be town?

yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 19 2012 22:40 GMT
#1004
##unvote
##vote: xatalos

just got home a bit ago no time to explain why, but it's you bud
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 19 2012 23:57 GMT
#1038
gg
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 20 2012 03:45 GMT
#1079
what did you guys think about my play this game?

I thought my biggest tell was vouching for willz for no reason and there was one other thing I was really regretting after I did it but I don't remember atm
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 20 2012 04:01 GMT
#1082
generally yes. there were a few times I could have posted but didn't but almost every time I had a chunk of free time I posted.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 20 2012 04:04 GMT
#1084
I dunno what to tell you, I really didn't think you were particularly "noob" or anything. People started calling you a noob and you weren't on my team so I went along with it.

Town could prob give you better input.
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