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On March 31 2012 01:55 Mementoss wrote: I'd like an obs QT when this game starts please   Oh shit we're being watched! | ||
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And kill our boss, Radfield, who I'm sure treated us all with respect and who we probably didn't all hate? | ||
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On March 31 2012 19:02 FourFace wrote: I am shocked. What did the the gator do wrong besides steal the shades? He's a carnivore what is he supposed to do, pass up his favorite meal? It would be insanely counterproductive to just kill this valuable asset to the zoo. What is that with euthanasia some sort of medic claim? Are you a vet or something? Have you made this decision without consulting anyone? And most of all .. Are you threatening us! 0_o You never know... Once a predator gets the taste for human flesh, it's hunger will never be slaked... Imo, therapist's euthanasia threat is so scummy he can't possibly be scum, no one would say something like that before going to actually murder someone... Unless that's exactly wha he wants us to think and he really is scum, and is hiding in plain sight... Ugh! Too meta, it's getting self-regressive! Take it to first order, maybe. | ||
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I gotta say, this seems pretty scummy and hiropro seems like an essentially random target to go after. I'm not going to vote yet - when do we need to vote by anyway? Did the deadline get changed or not - anyway, I'm not going to vote yet, but I think we should watch out for random accusations. There's only three explanations I could think of for busting out a basically random case like the one against hiropro. 1. Townie, busting out a case to start day 1 discussion. 2. Scum, trying to push us towards a mislynch day 1. 3. Townie, but just really convinced in his case. I think 1. is made more unlikely by the fact that he refuses to discuss his case with the rapist. That leaves 2 and 3 So Kohbee, if you have actual analysis on hiropro, please post it; otherwise, I'm going to keep looking at you suspiciously. | ||
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[b] ##vote: Kohbee [\b] | ||
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##vote: Kohbee | ||
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On April 02 2012 02:09 FourFace wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: FourFace at least I'll give you a real reason to vote me .. i'm the third person to jump on the bandwagon Pretty sure you can't vote for yourself, we went over that earlier. As for reads on me, it should be pretty easy; I think that unless Kohbee explains his early accusation on hiropro, it's suspicious. Personally I think that a case could definitely be made on fourface for being kind of domineering and trying to control the game, but I don't think he's scum yet. He was behaving exactly the same way before the game. Sure it's kind of obnoxious, but lynching someone for being obnoxious is exactly what mafia wants. | ||
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On April 02 2012 02:52 FourFace wrote: EBWOP: I'm pretty confused  I was going to save up this reply for strongandbig: That is pure horseshit. Kohbee = useful imo. You want to kill someone useful = suspicious. You claim he's defensive about his push.. when did that happen? HiroPro acted super defensive by saying he can relate to Kohbee. End of reply. But then Kohbee in fact retracted his vote and now lynching HiroPro has lost his lynching value. So I'm switching to my secondary target: Therapist ##Vote: Therapist my secondary target now is strongandbig because he's also voting for Kohbee for no reason. Specifically, it's because of the way he reacted to therapist. "I don't talk to scum" seems to me to be a scummy thing to say since it lets you avoid engaging the town more than you have to and this potentially tripping yourself up or having to reveal too much information. Additionally, I maintain that choosing hiropro as the first lynch target was random. He had made one post between the start of the game and the time he was accused, and I see nothing in that one post to indicate he's any more or less suspicious than any of the other people who had, as of that accusation, only posted once or twice after receiving their roles. Now, I understand that calling out a random target could be a town action, to spark discussion and get more information out there. However - it could also be a scum action, hoping that a noob town bandwagons and gets a day 1 mislynch. It's a particularly safe scum action, since if the person flips town they could just claim they were trying to spark discussion. SO - in my eyes, Kohbee still seems suspicious. However, maybe not suspicious enough to warrant lynching him day 1 instead of one of the lurk-ier players. [b]##unvote:kohbee I'm willing to change my vote in the next few hours to either solohan, marvellosity, or therapist, since those people seem to have the strongest cases against them. Omnom also, but he has a pretty good excuse and I can see how someone overworked and frustrated about running a tournament would just check in briefly and vote for the most abrasive poster in the thread. I would also be willing to vote for Kohbee again. One last thing: I'm not sure why my question about the voting times seems suspicious. There was talk in the first few pages before the game started about changing the deadlines to accomodate European players, and I wasn't sure if that had gone through. I'm posting from my iPhone, which makes it hard to open one page of the thread at the same time as you're writing a post. One more last thing, specifically to the people voting for solohan: he has t voted yet, so if he's not just lurking but actually afk, he would get mod killed. It might still be worth lynching him in case he votes right before the deadline, but IMO it would be more efficient to all agree that unless he says something soon we'll just let him get mod killed, and then all agree to lunch him if he suddenly pops up and tries to rude the deadline. Lynching him when he's going to get modkilled for violating the rules anyway seems like a waste of a town kill. | ||
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So scratch what I said about the modkill on solohan. I've presented my semi-case on Kohbee. I acknowledge that it's not a full case; it's just some reasons to be suspicious. I stand by my read, but I also can see that continuing to vote Kohbee won't yield good results unless other players agree with me. Therefore, [b]##unvote:kohbee[\b] It looks like the two main targets right now are solohan and therapist. I would still suggest we also consider marvellosity, since he joined the lynch a lurker bandwagon, and since he also joined the fourface is annoying bandwagon. However, I'm not ongus-Ing him; I think he would not be a good target right now, and his actions are also explainable from the town perspective. Could someone give me the case against therapist? So far it seems to me like the case is that he went after Kohbee for going after hiropro, which makes him suspicious because hiropro might be his mafia teammate. I can see that being a legitimate argument, but I'm not persuaded by it; as I said above, the scum explanation for kohbee's early vote is just as strong as the town explanation in my opinion, and I could also just be the fact that therapist jumped to that conclusion. The fact that he's not really defending himself does seem a bit suspicious though. | ||
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(if anyone's curious, the wrong slash is on the same page of symbols as the square bracket, so I keep hitting it by accident.) ##unvote Also therapist appears to have ninja'd me as well, iPhone fuck etc. | ||
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Actually, even if Kohbee had kept his vote on hiro, the lynch had gone through, and hiro flipped scum, what would we have learned? At most, Kohbee would've been confirmed town, and gotten shot that night; I don't think confirming a single townie when they push a successful lynch is that valuable, since they would be an obvious target. That said, I'd like to point out how Kohbee subtly omgus'd me, then retreated from it before I had a chance to respond. I'm not convinced by the "if you were town" comment but I still think Kohbee is the scummiest person out there. | ||
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No, I was clearly referring to the post you made where you said either I or marv would be a good lunch, which you followed up with one saying that therapist and marv would be good lynch candidates. That's why I called it subtle, you didn't actually. It for me in response to my having voted for you earlier; you just slipped my name into your little list of scum candidates. ##vote:kohbee Still open to voting for one of the candidates I mentioned in previous posts if someone makes a really good case in the next few hours. | ||
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Regarding kohbee... I'm not sure what to think. I don't know why a blue would have acted the way he did all day, seems like a blue wouldn't have gone for a random starter lynch. If kohbee isn't scum then that was a really dumb action. Additionally, I still doubt the "trying to start discussion" story because of his response to therapist, which was just "I don't talk to scum" rather than actually discussing the questions. That doesn't sound like someone hunting scum to me. However, if he is scum it puts us in a bind. We don't know how many of each role are in the game so the fact that no one counter-claimed doesn't mean he's confirmed. But, if he is blue we can't really risk lynching him. Everyone's homework for tonight - try to think of a way we can confirm or deny kohbee's role/alignment without lynching him. Because I'm not going to believe him just because he said so. | ||
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On April 02 2012 12:05 Kohbee wrote: mafia has a roleblocker. I am basically a vanilla townie from now on. also, can you tell me why you said Because someone with a helpful role for the town wouldn't want to jump right out and bring the heat on themselves before they could use their power to help the town. At least, that's what I think. | ||
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However we need to remember that people who were not already voting for you aren't cleared. Switching a vote to you after a blue claim would be an obvious scum tell when the claim turns out to be true. It would be much safer just to let you live and roleblock or shoot you. So where does that get us? If you are town, then four face would be clean. However he's the only one who actually switche off of you. Hiropro and marvellosity also helped save you, so I suppose hiropro is also town, since he could have kept his vote on solohan and allowed you to die. However, marvellosity had to take an action. Therefore he could not have said he was afk for your claim and lynch. Therefore, if you claimed, were lynched, and flipped blue, marvellosity would have been the obvious next target - not worth it for him if he's mafia, when they can just roleblock you. So, if you are town then the scum would be two out of me, marvellosity, omnom, solohan, and kb. Since it's not me, then we have a group of four out of whom 2 are mafia; however, you obviously have no reason to believe I'm town, so call it 2/5. However! This whole analysis is only valid if you are town. You could also be scum - a distinct possibility in my opinion. Next post will have that analysis. Sorry if I get ninja'd, I'm typing this on an iPhone. | ||
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This would mean if Kohbee is scum, the other scum would have to be one out of fourface, omnom, marvel, kb, and hiropro. Not very helpful IMO. So all in all what do we have? No one absolutely confirmed town or scum, just relying on reads. I'll post some of my current reads later today before the night actions happen, but right now I have to go to class. | ||
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On April 03 2012 01:40 FourFace wrote: @strongandbig .. I'm sorry. @Solohan50 So where do we go from here? Did I go too far down the wifom rabbit hole? My main point was to answer kohbee's claim that we could go from the vote on him to such a small list of potential scum, and that it's a bit more complicated than he made it out to be. | ||
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1. Fourface was probably the smartest kill by scum. Despite being abrasive and annoying, he was also our only 100% confirmed townie. Let me explain - remember when I made my two posts about if Kohbee is or isn't really the cop? In the first one, I said that fourface was town if Kohbee is town, because if he was scum he could have let the claimed cop get lynched with basically no suspicion, just by claiming to have been afk between the claim and the resolution of the vote. IMO that was too good of a chance for scum to pass up- however only fourface and hiro actually had that chance. The thing is, I actually took out a couple of sentences from my next post on what it means if Kohbee is scum. If Kohbee is scum, then fourface would also have had to be town, since it was largely due to fourface changing his vote that Kohbee was so close to being lynched. Personally, I thought Kohbee was scum, but I was pressed to take my vote off him until fourface put his vote on Kohbee. I took that part out of my post because I was hoping mafia wouldn't realize that fourface was the only 100% confirmed innocent, and therefore their top lynch target. I guess they are smarter than I hoped - or else they were just as annoyed by fourface as everyone else... Gonna post this now, then start writing up some reads. | ||
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