Newbie Mini Mafia VI - Page 3

On April 02 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote:


And let Kohbee die? You make no sense. A vote for you is as good as not voting.

This flood control thing is really annoying....

I don't know why a blue would have acted the way he did all day, seems like a blue wouldn't have gone for a random starter lynch. If kohbee isn't scum then that was a really dumb action.

On April 02 2012 14:21 omnomMuffins wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I wasn't on, my support staff totally disappeared today so I was running the invitational by myself all day (it was said on stream by the casters for proof).

Basically to explain my vote against FourFace was that I really have no patience for dealing with people with bad attitudes and his comment that he was reprimanded for stuck me in a bad way.

I see that we lynched a townie, and I will post my conclusions on people tomorrow after I wake up (been working about 20 hours straight), and get a chance to actually digest what is going on

On April 02 2012 14:17 strongandbig wrote:


Because someone with a helpful role for the town wouldn't want to jump right out and bring the heat on themselves before they could use their power to help the town. At least, that's what I think.

On April 02 2012 21:57 FourFace wrote:
7-10 minutes before the lynch my brain worked out this genuinely true piece of information judging by the constellation of the votes:

Kohbee&Solohan50
Kohbee&strongandbig
Kohbee&Therapist

.. can't possibly be THE scumpair. That's all I know for sure. I've got a really long fucking txt. document about Kohbee which I will publish just before night 1 ends to make sure the night actions have been sent via pm to the host.

I'll only quote the beginning of that document now:

"Kohbee, you are obviously the one to investigate right now. Get used to people asking you the same questions multiple times. The best you can do is patiently answer all of them at your best ability without any emotional connotations whatsoever.

On April 02 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
Fourface, would you tell me what you think of the blueclaim?

On April 02 2012 22:14 FourFace wrote:



You can't be serious about this being the way you handle the accusations. I suggest you take your time before posting anything regarding any new post that comes up with you as the protagonist. Stop saying you're not scum, that you're not stupid, that someone else should be investigated. If anyone can save you now it's you and I suggest you do it with logical argumentation and sincere honesty while omitting the parts that cannot be verified because they are irrelevant. You have all that has been said in this game to your disposal. Good luck

On April 02 2012 22:41 FourFace wrote:


How could he have known that you are blue and not scum trying to say whatever it takes to save his skin and be the laughingstock of the community.

For all you know he was the one to finish the lynch on a town player

On April 02 2012 22:46 FourFace wrote:
So basically what you're saying is .. you're not scum so he's not scum because he would've known that you're not scum

On April 02 2012 22:47 FourFace wrote:
EBWOP: which brings us back to the question: How do we know you're not scum?

On April 02 2012 22:55 strongandbig wrote:
Kohbee I agree with you that if you are not scum, then the people who switched their votes off of you after your last-minute claim should be considered probably town. They could have just kept their votes on you and then claimed afk after your lynch.

However we need to remember that people who were not already voting for you aren't cleared. Switching a vote to you after a blue claim would be an obvious scum tell when the claim turns out to be true. It would be much safer just to let you live and roleblock or shoot you.

So where does that get us? If you are town, then four face would be clean. However he's the only one who actually switche off of you. Hiropro and marvellosity also helped save you, so I suppose hiropro is also town, since he could have kept his vote on solohan and allowed you to die. However, marvellosity had to take an action. Therefore he could not have said he was afk for your claim and lynch. Therefore, if you claimed, were lynched, and flipped blue, marvellosity would have been the obvious next target - not worth it for him if he's mafia, when they can just roleblock you. So, if you are town then the scum would be two out of me, marvellosity, omnom, solohan, and kb. Since it's not me, then we have a group of four out of whom 2 are mafia; however, you obviously have no reason to believe I'm town, so call it 2/5.

However! This whole analysis is only valid if you are town. You could also be scum - a distinct possibility in my opinion. Next post will have that analysis. Sorry if I get ninja'd, I'm typing this on an iPhone.

On April 02 2012 23:15 marvellosity wrote:


The problem is there are so many possibilities.

1) A random townie gets killed. This could mean Kohbee is scum and they just decided to off someone. It could also mean that Kohbee is not scum, and mafia assumed that as town has a 2/3 chance of having a doc or jailer, they would just kill someone else and roleblock Kohbee.

2) Kohbee gets killed. This is clearest case as then of course Kohbee is not scum. It also PROBABLY (but not definitely) means we don't have a doc/jailkeeper as they'd likely protect Kohbee.

3) No-one gets killed. This could mean Mafia tried to hit Kohbee but he was protected. It could also mean Kohbee is mafia and mafia decided to hit no-one to make Kohbee less suspicious (that doesn't seem like a great outcome for mafia, not getting a kill).

Actually now I've listed some options, information will be gleaned one way or another. Worryingly it seems 1) is the best mafia play, because it doesn't tell us much about who is mafia at all.

On April 02 2012 23:30 FourFace wrote:
"WIFOM is arguably the most misapplied term in the Mafia lexicon, and for years the standard approach to has been to throw out any ambiguous evidence. This is not optimal, as WIFOM situations are generally not purely random. However, WIFOM arises precisely because someone is difficult to read, and the possibility of being wrong is inherent in making a choice.

Many times analyzing night kills is considered WIFOM, as only the killers can say with certainty why someone died. This is especially true when the kill choices were unexpected. At present, NK analysis is considered simply another possibly-reliable piece of evidence, neither useless nor authoritative. "

I could be wrong but by guess it's only WIFOM if you discuss past events.

We are addressing possible developments and once again, predicting possibilities. And once again you are not helping one bit. At least stop quoting that chunk if you plan on saying only a sentence.