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Who the hell claims DT, able to check multiple people at the same time, on day1? Who does that? Bill Murray, that's who. | ||
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There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't implement a voting system of sorts, but it's going to take some administration. I'm more worried about how people likely aren't going to use and/or follow it, and how that would lead to chaos. I'm also worried about leaving PoPs until close to the deadline. I can't be around and it's going to be hard for town to coordinate PoPs when 20 people suddenly have to agree. All of these things seem to take away from how people need to be active and transparent over all other things. If people can just do that I don't really see the need for a voting system at all. | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote: prplhz, please tell me who you would like to kill today and why. Tell me additionally what you think of syllogism, VE, and layabout. How about Tobon? Nothing in his filter even though he calls out for scum hunting, most of it is just pointing out random stuff and summarizing the thread. I'm not decided yet but he's looking pretty bad. Why are you asking about those three specifically? I have no idea why we are sending Palmar for that item. It's not really that powerful and we can still determine his alignment without him getting it (well, it wouldn't hurt if he would post a little more). wherebugsgo already pointed out potential dangers, scum could have a hidden PoP role, like a PoP Floridian Toy, and then they could pull (push) Palmar over the edge when he gets the item. killing one of the best town players. This is really risky and I'm totally against it and I think people should have thought more carefully about this before going through with it, and then they should have concluded that it wasn't worth it at all. | ||
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It means that if you do a cost/benefit analysis of getting that item for Palmar, you'll eventually reach the conclusion that it's not worth it. It's way too risky and the item is not very powerful. Since you're apparently going ahead with it anyway we should just stop talking about it. I'm just very displeased with it. Why are you so focused on being reckless? @wherebugsgo Dodge? I answered one question and then I asked you a question, that seems pretty fair to me. Why are you dodging instead of just answering my god damn question? If you just answered then I'd probably answer your question too, well, maybe. While I'm leaning in some direction on all of them, I don't want to lynch any of them right now so I'm keeping my reads to myself. I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling. Leaving Palmar in the red zone is the epitome of "guilty until proven innocent". I'm holding on to my push until he's back out of the red. It's a shame that the further people pull him into the red, the more people will have an excuse for holding their pushes until he's out again. If you people want to go through with this plan then you start pulling Palmar to that item, the last puller should coordinate with the first pusher so that he doesn't stay very long in 24. | ||
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@Palmar It's quite cool that you have that ability but you can't seriously have been thinking of using it without informing town first? People have started to push people toward the red zone and all that work would be undone if you just flip the queue. Why do you want to kill someone for bads? That seems like a rather poor reason when we're supposed to kill people for scum. Is there anybody you want to kill for scum? | ||
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@VisceraEyes You would be alright with a syllogism lynch because syllogism is setup speculating from a scum perspective when he says that Bill Murray's role is too powerful? Think about it from an objective stand point then because that's what syllogism surely has whether he's scum or town, the role is actually quite powerful when you keep in mind that scum only has 1KP. My problem was that the claim seemed like, the role was kind of well thought out but how he communicated it to town was pretty shabby. I would expect a scum to pretty much have the role PM written down so they know exactly what their claim is about. Bill Murray didn't really do anything besides his claim and that's bad. Overall I wouldn't want to lynch him. Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way? Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it. Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro. | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you defending syllogism with this post? Do you think syllogism is town? Why do you prefer lynching Cephiro over syllogism or Sbrubbles? Why do you say we should lynch all of them and then say we should lynch Cephiro? Is it because you know Cephiro would flip town (thus necessitating multiple deaths?) Yes. I dont' think we should lynch syllogism today. I prefer Cephiro because I think he was being too careful in his early posting and because he seemed to be irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item. The lynch-'em-all idea was just an observation, it's most likely infeasible to lynch them all today which is why I took a more pragmatic stance later in the post. Lyching into them gives us at least a 2:1 chance to lynch scum which is pretty good and I think we should definitely see if we can't agree on something like that today. I'm proposing Cephiro, but after just reading his filter a bit more carefully maybe I'll go for Sbrubbles instead. He said he'd post some more so we'll see how that goes. | ||
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What is you guys' problem? I gave people a heads up so we didn't have any unfortunate accidents and then I went to prepare myself for bed. Jesus christ you're paranoid for absolutely no reason at all. What scum motivation is there for saying that I'm going to push somebody soon and then wait a little while to do it? "What if it's just a decoy and currently making his way out to steal all of our cereal?" @wherebugsgo I would really appreciate it if you would at least write out single sentences explaining why you are quoting my posts. I don't understand what you mean by "rofl" so it seems to me like you're just trying to get on my nerves and I don't want any part of that. Mostly, it seemed to me like you weren't thinking at all, you took things out of context and then instead of actually trying to use any arguments you just wrote "rofl" to ridicule me. I am not going to write a huge syllogism-town analysis when there's no case against him and it doesn't look like he's going to get lynched. Sufficient to say, I'm against lynching him today and I don't like the "scum POV setup speculation" argument that I already responded to. Cephiro's early posts seemed very careful and I didn't understand his irrationaly fear of Palmar getting the item. This made me think he was scummier than Sbrubbles (who was just afk) and syllogism (who didn't do anything scummy yet). | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:58 Cephiro wrote: Lol, couldn't come up with a better response after thinking that long? I guess I'll give a heads-up too. VE, say the word and I'll push right after I read your post. So prp, you think I'm scummy because I did not want Palmar to gain the item. However, as wbg pointed out, you didn't want that yourself either. Admittingly, I've been much more vocal about myself being against it, but really? CONTEXT No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"? I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging I ask you why you're defending syllogism. You respond with: and falls under: I ask you whether the "yes" was to "are you defending syllo" or "are you calling syllo town" or both, no answer there. So, are you going to answer my questions or are you going to continue dodging? Your day 1 effort in trying to find scum has been nonexistent, to say the least. Day 1 ends in 4 hours, and you've done nothing but meekly state we should lynch cephiro based on risk's roleclaim and the apparent lack of a better target. Yes, I am defending syllogism, yes, I think he is town. No, I'm not going to write a lot about syllogism. "Dodging" is probably a poor description of what I'm doing, I'm straight up refusing to do it because I see no reason to do it right now. Overall he seems to care about the game, he's been reasonably active and then I don't like the idea of lynching syllogism on day1. "I don't think he has done anything scummy yet", do you want me to go through all of his posts and explain sentence after sentence why they're not scummy? I want to lynch Cephiro because I think his early posts looked very careful and because he seemed irrationally afraid that Palmar should get the item. I already stated this in the thread I believe so you're just misrepresenting when you say it's based on "risk's roleclaim and the apparent lack of a better target". On April 03 2012 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote: prpl, out of curiosity - what makes you "trust (Palmar) to be town"? I mean, obviously I'm townie town-town, but why Palmar? He was nullified by scum and would be a pretty poor move if Palmar was scum. On April 03 2012 09:15 Cephiro wrote: I love how you keep dodging the question wbg points at you, just trying to focus on me. And the only thing that you have on me is that I seemed "afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Very convincing. Why do you think wbg has convinced me? He brought up a very good point which I do agree with. That doesn't mean he has me in a leash or anything of the sort. In all honesty, you are digging your own grave with every new post you make. Do you honestly want to look what this looks like to me? It looks like you're trying to divert the attention from your scumbuddy syllogism to a townie mislynch. It looks to me like you're speculating wildly and writing dumb stuff in bold letters. Maybe you're not scum after all. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote: syllo seems to care about the game? Is that why he advised against random PoPing and then pushed BM randomly? Is that why he's advocating that others join him in trying to kill BM? You have no basis for your assertion that Cephiro was "irrationally afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Indeed, in no way have you even shown how fear of Palmar getting an item is scummy. All you do is continually assert this single thing over and over, and you of all people should know that is no way to find scum. I find it hard to believe that you are actually town with your stubborn refusal to cooperate so far. Really? wherebugsgo, really? You have been screaming out for hours for me to prove that syllogism is town, how terribly stubborn and useless has that been? Do you really think anything you've said so far makes me scum? I see that you appear to think I have contradicted myself, been stubborn, and refused to give reads, but do you think any of this makes me scum? On April 03 2012 09:34 Cephiro wrote: Okay, I believe this is what they call WIFOM. But I'd like to point it out anyway: How could you know for sure he was nullified by scum? I do admit that it certainly doesn't look like a pro-town move, but there is a slight possibility it could have been a townie ability. Okay. Then lets assume that. If there's 95% chance of the thing that I'm assuming then why are you even complaining? What do you gain by this other than just ruining whatever shred of a case you had against me by proving conclusively that you're just tunneling me? I can understand wherebugsgo, he has some crazy idea that getting on people's nerves will make his read of them better (I totally disagree with that, he's better in observer QTs because he isn't in the game to screw everything up), but why are you doing it? I'm kinda leaning more town on you after reading through your filter. You seems excessively active for a scum, even though a lot of it has been mindless OMGUS aggression against me spurred on by wherebugsgo. | ||
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Is VisceraEyes still around? [b]##Pull Sbrubbles[/br] Best pull of the 4 who could conceivably be pulled off the board. | ||
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I'm leaning scum on Mr. Wiggles. @VisceraEyes You have been flaky on wherebugsgo, where do you stand now? | ||
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Going to bed now, see you guys. | ||
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On April 03 2012 22:12 Bluelightz wrote: My explanation sucks i guess here is a new and clear one I CAN ORDER THE MODS FOR THE QUEUE TO BE BOOBY TRAPPED THE NEXT DAY. IM USING IT TODAY SO D2 WILL HAVE A POSITION IN THE QUEUE BOOBY TRAPPED 3 RANDOMIZED POSITIONS IN THE QUEUE WILL BE ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY THE NEXT DAY, BUT ONLY 1 IS BOOBY TRAPPED. I CAN USE THIS POWER 2 TIMES. And the guy explodes during the next night post i.e(activate on night 1 explode on night 2 post so the guy wont instantly explode loll) SIDENOTE: RANDOMIZED BY MODS. What made you decide to use this power when you could just not use this power? | ||
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On April 03 2012 22:24 Bluelightz wrote: Me atleast confirmed to my role and less PoPs to be used to keel people? We will have to use PoPs to get towny people out of potentially booby trapped positions and it's not a reliable way to kill scum since we don't know what position kills them. This will just lead to chaos, the whole role is so scum favored that I'm having second thoughts about your alignment. I trust your claim though because no scum would invent such a scum favored role just to randomly claim it. | ||
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If I had a gun I'd shoot either Sbrubbles or Mattchew. | ||
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On April 04 2012 00:11 Mattchew wrote: I bumped them because they asked to be bumped. I was one of the initiators of the get palmar the item plan. I believe I was the first to push VE to save him. Why is this blatantly bad? That's blatantly bad because you seem to be perfectly happy just PoPing stuff that carries no responsibility at all. I didn't understand the "getting me within a spot of of palmar" until you just explained it. You didn't use any PoPs to try to get scum lynched and you didn't seem to care about that at all. Your filter is totally devoid of any reads. | ||
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I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care. | ||
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I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism. Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism. Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim. | ||
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 , then we could push him TO the item, then he could do his thing (I imagine it's some kind of place swapper?) and kill syllogism. Then we could use the rest of our pushes on Tobon and our pulls on Bluelightz. If anything is leftover, we do our best to kill Mr. Wiggles.How about that? @Cephiro Bluelightz is confirmed scum because he used his ability when it's a scum favored ability and he was told so in the thread by me and by layabout. He absolutely has to die. The only reason to push you to kill syllogism instead of pushing syllogism to kill syllogism is that you will get the item. I don't like the plan though because in case scum has some hidden ability, like another nullified or something similar they can mess with us, maybe especially so now that the lights are out. I want to kill syllogism and I'd rather push syllogism. The item isn't worth it like it wasn't worth it yesterday. I don't want to end up in a similar situation because we want some item. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Explain why you're calling Bluelightz confirmed-scum? His role doesn't bode well for him, but Palmar had a role I thought might be in the hands of scum. It certainly seems like you like playing with extremes this game. I certainly have no problem with killing Bluelightz, but from what I recall you defended him just in your previous post. Look: What gives? Indeed, early in the game when I asked you about Blue, you said this: You look scummier by the minute, prpl. In addition you were pretty much defending syllogism yesterday and now all of a sudden you want to kill him. Why the change of heart? You wanted to kill Cephiro over syllo yesterday; now you want to kill syllo. Surely, you can change your mind, but this seems like a very calculated and spur of the moment move. I already explained why I'm calling Bluelightz confirmed scum. It's not because of his role, that doesn't mean anything about his alignment. It's because he used a scum favored role. If town had that role they would just not use it but he chose to use it so he is scum. Both layabout and I warned him about it when he claimed yesterday. His first posts looked very trollish to me and I don't think that scum would put their ass on the line like that. With him using his scum favored role when he's been asked not to, I would want to lynch him almost no matter what other indication there was about his alignment. I was defending syllogism yesterday because I'd much rather kill Sbrubbles. I wanted to kill Cephiro over syllogism some part of yesterday but I changed my mind and I'm pretty sure that is reflected in my posts too (I think I called Cephiro town at some point). | ||
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##Pull Bluelightz Cephiro, yes, you are tunneling. I don't really care if you're tunneling town (me) or scum (syllogism), it's still annoying for town and I'm not really worried about scum using a power to get you killed. If you look at my earlier post I clearly state that I'd rather push syllogism, I'm just saying that if everybody is hooked on the idea of pushing you then that's also okay with me. If you are somehow going to WIFOM yourself into wanting to push syllogism instead of yourself then that's cool with me because that's what I wanted in the first place. | ||
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On April 04 2012 15:00 wherebugsgo wrote: syllo is not mod confirmed red because risk nuke has not flipped. There is still a chance you're both green and risk is red. risk.nuke being red is just pretty crazy, we saw the red light beacon and he is claiming a role from the first game. Unless scum were provided safe claims he could have been counter claimed in an instant and I don't think that scum would risk that. | ||
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On April 04 2012 20:06 Bluelightz wrote: If I die and I gurantee everyone I will flip blue. Keel prp if this happens. No one is disputing your claim, no one ever did. If you read the OP you'd see that everybody in this game has a role, it's in game mechanic 10; everybody is going to flip "blue" (or green as people actually just flip). You were told repeatedly not to use an ability because it was scum favored and then you go ahead and do it anyway. If you're town this is by far the worst performance I have ever seen from a townie. I'm getting a feeling that you're actually town, you're just not reading the thread, and relying solely on having an ability to confirm that you're town, but none of this matters. After what you did, town has to kill you. Let me restate the very clear case on Bluelightz:
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On April 04 2012 20:15 syllogism wrote: It doesn't seem possible to even kill ceph today as assuming the nullifying power can be used more than once, scum will just nullify him after we've wasted PoPs on him. Even if they can't do that, he may not be lying about having some sort of power that allows him to switch places in the queue. Using this logic, it's not going to be possible to kill any scum ever as they will just nullify whoever is on the line. Maybe nullify only works on non-scum or maybe it only works in the red zone, the other thing is just crazy. | ||
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On April 04 2012 22:43 Bluelightz wrote: Umm just kill me and waste your damn PoPs on me while scum just hide and giggle at how prplhz is destorying town from the inside then. I don't see your logic on how im scum, you just said I used my ability then im scum? Fuck this, ##Pull: prplhz Hey scum, DIE What does it mean that I'm "destroying town from the inside"? | ||
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On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Has anybody claimed the kill on Palmar or Shrubbles yet? This is important to me. If you shot one of Palmar/Shrubbles, and haven't claimed yet, please do so. I won't be mad. I promise. I'm going to wait, and see what kind of answer I get to this. It will influence how I act today. Bluelightz said that positions 24 and 2 are bombed, which means a point in the danger zone already, and the very other end of the queue. So long as we don't pull people we don't want to kill, we should be fine. The bombs are already laid, so killing bluelightz right now won't do anything. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to see if he's telling the truth, and then if he lied about the bombs, kill him the next day. He also shouldn't lay any more bombs. The point of this idea is to use our PoPs on other people, and hopefully get better discussion. risk, can you please answer my question? Your power is still useful if you pop it one minute before the day post, if the queue is revealed again. Do we get to see the queue at the end of the day? Also, sorry for only glancing at who died before posting, lol. Hey Mr. Wiggles why did you want to kill Bluelightz yesterday but not today? risk.nuke said yesterday that he could use this ability again today if he wanted to. | ||
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We don't know if he can nullify scum or if he can nullify people outside of the red zone. I think it would be weird if he could just nullify anybody anywhere whenever because then it's going to be nigh impossible to lynch scum ever, especially since it has multiple charges. It seems a lot more reasonable to think that it probably can't do any more than we've seen it do yet. I have no idea why we decided to kill syllogism by pushing Cephiro, when a more simple and straight forward way would be to push syllogism. Cephiro can use whatever ability he has some other time when lights are back on and we have more control over what is happening. Anyway, since you guys are already lynching Bluelightz and syllogism and I don't have any more PoPs I'm probably going to be less active for the rest of the day. | ||
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Doesn't matter if he had another shot, he should have claimed that shot and then just acted like he didn't have another shot. Scum only has 1KP so it's not unreasonable to think that they could have some sort of additional KP, but then I would probably have claimed the hit anyway. Ultimately, I think it was a pretty poor choice for scum to shoot Sbrubbles no matter who is scum of Cephiro/syllogism/risk.nuke, even if none of them are scum they're sucking up so much discussion. No matter how I try to think about Sbrubbles dying, I end up thinking that scum had no reason shooting him, and town had no reason shooting him and then not claim. If you're the townie who shot Sbrubbles, claim next time. Nobody would expect you to have 2 (or more) bullets, especially not in this game. I don't know if it makes more sense that there is a Serial Killer or something like that. the Sbrubbles hit without the claim makes it look like that. @syllogism I don't get why Cephiro is confirmed scum because he was nullified since he asked to be pushed himself. If he was scum and he wanted the votes to go to waste, then he would just not have pushed his weird plan and instead have people push you. He could also just have had himself nullified earlier and then have himself pushed 13 times or something before claiming it (from a hypothetical start 8 position to a 20 position, before hitting item). If he is scum and he wasn't actually nullified but he just didn't want himself pushed into the red zone, that's just too crazy and too much could go awry, it would be much easier to just get you pushed. | ||
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On April 05 2012 22:15 Bluelightz wrote: The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use. For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not. Jesus christ. I say we don't lynch Bluelightz because what he is doing right now cannot be faked so I doubt he is scum. The only thing you can conclude from his behavior is that he doesn't read the thread, he doesn't care about proving his own innocence, he doesn't care about town winning, and he doesn't want to play this game. Doesn't make him scum though. He has probably just been busy or something. You guys should kill Mr. Wiggles. | ||
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We should really just kill Mr. Wiggles. No matter if there are scum or town in the Cephiro/syllogism/risk.nuke trio then it was a pretty poor move by scum to shoot Sbrubbles. It really makes more sense for town to have shot him somehow but it's still weird that noone claimed. I don't know why syllogism hasn't talked about his item yet. | ||
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On April 06 2012 01:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ignoring you about what? Calling me scum? Actually give me your reason for thinking so, otherwise I'll ignore it because it means absolutely nothing to me. I kind of asked you a question. | ||
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in that order the lynch/pop is town's primary weapon against scum and we're done wasting them on stupid plans that we have seen are vulnerable to scum interference just push/pull that list we pull as many of them as we can off the bottom edge and put as many of them as we can 3 places into the red zone, maybe over the top edge if you guys want to but i don't think that they can help it if they're 3 places into the red zone. did you notice that town didn't manage to get anybody killed the first two days? | ||
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VisceraEyes was pushed into the fire by anonymous scum PoP power so the scum we push should be pushed to positon 18 so they can't be anonymously bumped out again. The item isn't very useful for scum (unless it's the teleportation, but that's unlikely) and if we push several scum into the red zone, they are likely to just push each other to the item anyway. We shouldn't be afraid of scum getting the item at all, it's a lot more important that we ensure that they die. No one pushes syllogism because Mattchew can pretty easily throw him into the fire from the position that they're in right now. Mattchew: Do your thing. | ||
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On April 07 2012 19:26 risk.nuke wrote: Feel free to discuss ideas how or if I should do something with my power today? I check 2 toys 1 slot above me, the toy next to me and toys 1 slot below me so a maximum of 5 toys. illustration for those who still haven't gotten it. If I would check the red slots. 10.[Tobon][_________] 9.[Dirkzor][Mr.Zentor] 8.[Mr.Wiggles][risk.nuke] 7.[Acrofales][Nemesis] 6.[Cephiro][Bill Murray] A condition is there needs to be atleast 2 toys in the red zone or it will malfunction so I can't be used as a dt to check a single person. I don't think you should check while Mr. Wiggles is in there because I think we're lynching him today anyway. How about I pull Mr. Wiggles and then you push one of Dirkzor/MrZentor and pull one of Acrofales/Nemesis and then you check the remaining two? Either you confirm 2 townies or you give us at least 50% chance to find scum in them. | ||
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Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. His analysis doesn't look like town who found scum, but more like scum who doesn't want to take any responsibility. The case is safe as Tobon has already been pushed/tunneled for ages by Nemesis and a little by a couple of other people (including me). Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum". While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town. Also, wherebugsgo thought he was scum and wherebugsgo is a good kid. ##Pull MrZentor | ||
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On April 07 2012 21:48 Dirkzor wrote: NO! Stop with the wating of PoP's. Don't use your power we have enough people we have to kill as it is. We only really have 5 PoPs to use. So what we need to do is kill 2 people and make them stay dead this time. Lets say we just push syllo all the way to dead. Thats 11 pushes which means we need scum to bus him or mattchew uses his throw. Its fine to use all our pushes just as long as he dies. Then we can talk about who the 2nd person to die is (wiggles?) and pull him of the end. How would you rather we use risk.nuke's power? Do you really think that scum are going to out themselves for syllogism? You seem to be overreacting a bit to the prospects of potentially getting pinned. | ||
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@Dirkzor I didn't remember that he lost his PoP when he used his check, but it's still worth it by far. If we kill MrZentor and Mr. Wiggles then the price for checking 2 flaky people is 3 PoPs while the price of checking 3 flaky people is 2 PoPs, totally worth it. We don't have to use the information today, but it's still great to have tomorrow. Maybe this MrZentor pull was a little premature but I'm quite confident that he's scum and I'm pretty determined to see this through. I really want to spearhead a scum lynch because then maybe Cephiro will get off my back. It's not a problem for me that he's on my back because he's never going to lynch me but I think it's a distraction for town. So tell me, what do you think about MrZentor? | ||
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I'm not trying to force a mislynch here. If your only concern about MrZentor is that I'm scum and I'm trying to force a mislynch then you should say so. | ||
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On April 07 2012 23:00 MrZentor wrote: I hate being misinterpreted. I REALLY hate being misinterpreted.1 I spent the first half of day one trying to explain why the Palmar item-plan was a horrible plan. You can't do much to hunt scum on the first day2, besides tunneling, which I hate, so I had planned on scum hunting during the second half of the day. I also was planning on voting, but irl things came up, as I have said countless times.3 I supported the Cephiro-item plan, because it would give us an item and kill a scum. Cephiro also seemed to think he wouldn't be affected by the nullify ability. When I made my first post, Tobon seemed really scummy, so I promised to make a case on him. Later on he seemed less scummy, but I felt compelled to make the case because I said I would4. I have two people who I think are scum, besides syllogism. I just like watching the people without telling them, so they make mistakes, which makes it easier to prove that they're scum5. Also, which town filter are you using? I purposely acted like scum as town in one of my games6 I thought it was pretty obvious Syllogism was by far the scummiest player; I just thought it would be good to have somebody else to kill after syllogism.7 I let day two go, because it wasn't really town's fault that there was chaos(darkness), unlike day one, when town was just retarded. I do expect much better organization today. <3 WBG It really seems quite rash to pull me on the first page of day three, before you even let me respond. Wouldn't it have been better to wait until the second half of today before pulling anybody, so you can get more information on people and pull actual scum? <insert disappoint face here > 1: What did I misinterpret? 2: Your town filter disagrees with this. You are trying to be active and help town in that. 3: And I'm in no way saying that you're lying about that and that makes you scum. Fact is that you weren't here and that's what I have to relate to. It is more likely that scum don't vote/PoP than it is that town don't vote/PoP (because scum mostly don't care as long as we're not lynching any of them and they have team mates to see to any unforeseen circumstances) so the fact that you didn't bother to be around makes you more scummy. 4: This is pretty good. You are writing a case on somebody, not because you felt that they were scummy but because you had promised town a case on that person. That's quite scummy. 5: But you didn't do anything. You're saying that you like to sit and watch but this is day3 and you only ever attacked Tobon and that was pretty half arsed. 6: I posted a link to a filter. You can't act scum as town, because you're not scum as town. You can't dismiss my case as an invalid meta argument just because I refer a little to a filter. Also, you did what? 7: So what is it, did you make the case on Tobon because you wanted another lynch after syllogism or because you thought Tobon was more scummy than syllogism? I'd love to hear what you found out while watching but you probably found out that you weren't really being attacked so there was no reason to post in the thread. | ||
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On April 07 2012 23:08 Acrofales wrote: Hey prplhz, mind explaining why you just hastily pulled MrZentor when last thing yesterday you were advocating 4 other people as scum and also the prudent use of pops? WTF?! Typing is a pain from my ipad in a cafe... so not much else. MrZentor is not high on my priority list. That still consists of Syllo and Bluelightz, who I feel we should kill today. I don't much like the look of cascades, BillMurray or Mattchew's filter either. Although apparently BM plays this way normally? MrZentor looks more like bored and uninterested town than scum... useless, but a real waste of using pops on him. If Mattchew throws Syllo, we can start pushing someone else (bluelightz), otherwise just push syllo to the fire and be done with him. Mattchew is going to throw syllogism or he's going to get lynched. I've been really flaky on Bluelightz because of a lot of reasons. At first I thought he was just trolling so I defended him. Then I saw that he used his power and I thought that was so dumb that it could only be scum. Then I thought that scum couldn't fake that kind of dumb and that he probably wasn't scum. Then I saw him join another game (Bastard Mafia) which made me think that he was probably happy with his performance in this game and I thought only scum could be happy with a performance like this. Then today came along and I saw that he didn't use his power again, something I think scum would have done and I don't think he could have faked another charge on his power if he didn't have it, so he's back on town. I'm really confused about Bluelightz but right now he's not in my top3 and I think town can do better today. Mr. Wiggles is scummy (as I said) but I find it harder to actually push him. Maybe my push was a little premature as I already said and I'm okay with you guys lynching Mr. Wiggles if you agree to it and I think it's a really good idea to agree to a lynch and then just push him over the edge without voting for anybody else. I hope you can get 6 guys to agree on it. About Mattchew, I'm waiting to see if his throw is an anonymous power. If it is, then he's definitely town. If it isn't, then we can discuss it, he didn't really do much so far but he would still not be high on my scum list. He looks much more like a bored townie who is putting in minimal effort than MrZentor does. Bored townies who put in minimal effort don't make huge cases just because they promised to, they rely on being town to confirm themselves. | ||
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If you don't like MrZentor then Mr. Wiggles is clearly the alternative. You all want to discuss this so discuss, I'll be around for a while. | ||
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On April 07 2012 23:45 MrZentor wrote: 1. You misinterpreted my actions as being scum actions. 2. The only reason I could hunt scum first day in that scenario is because Acrofales overreacted to Matthew tunneling him. We didn't have somebody overreact to a vote on the first day of this game. 3. It wasn't that I didn't "bother to be around." I had an emergency event. Also, I think scum would be more likely to vote than a non scum in that scenario. Since most people are voting and it doesn't matter who you kill, why shouldn't you act like you think one of them is scum and vote for them? Not PoPing in this game is a good way to get noticed, and mafia don't want to get noticed. 4. I did think he seemed scummy to some extent.(around 65%) It's just that I didn't think he was as scummy as I thought he was when I first posted. 5. So you're saying that I didn't attack Syllogism? 6. First, let me give you the definition of act I'm using, as you seem to not understand: to pretend; feign: Act interested even if you're bored. As town, I pretended to be mafia in that game, so if you're saying I'm not acting like that, you're saying I'm not acting like scum.(It seemed like a good idea at the time to act like scum.) In one of my last posts in that game, I prove that I was purposely pretending to be scum. 7. I don't think it's possible for anybody to look scummier than Syllogism. I thought it would be to have another lynch after Syllogism. So Mattchew is clearly town. 1: No I didn't. They're scummy. 2: So nothing scummy happened the first day? 3: Sorry for saying that, what I meant was that when other stuff happens, townies often feel a lot more responsible to the other townies than scum do (such as virtu in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX), it's just a general trend. It sucks if you really had an emergency and couldn't be around but I can only relate to what I see in the thread. 4: Okay. This is still your only contribution. 5: I'm saying that it was nothing compared to how you attacked Tobon. 6: I was just baffled that you acted scum as town. Again, you can't just dismiss me as only arguing with meta. 7: Okay I should think this over. Don't really know if it makes sense for scum not to just push syllogism at that point. You still didn't find out anything while you were watching us. | ||
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On April 08 2012 00:01 Nemesis wrote: Ok, today, we definitely need to lynch syllogism, bluelightz, and mrwiggles. What do you guys think about pushing syllogism, pushing bluelightz and pulling mrwiggles? @prp mrzentor's filter doesn't look too good, but it's still a lot better than some of the other players like bluelightz and mrwiggles. I don't think he should be a priority today. It's just not that simple. Why would scum act like Bluelightz? They're more likely to get lynched that way. Scum likes to do nothing if they can and that's what MrZentor looks like he's been doing. Now he's saying that he was just sitting and watching and he doesn't like to interfere, which is valid enough, but then I'm asking him why he didn't find anything. We're at day3 and all we have is a half arsed case on Tobon. He looks like he doesn't want to get accused for anything which is how I think scum look. Bluelightz looks like he doesn't give a shit about being accused of being an asshole but it's hard to go from that and to "he's scum". Do you think it's likely that Bluelightz faked a second charge on his power and then didn't use it today if he was scum? | ||
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On April 08 2012 00:35 Dirkzor wrote: I don't like you talking in extremes... Just because Mattchew threw syllo doesn't make him town. Anyone with just a little brain function will bus syllo now. For now just stop pushing/pulling syllo. If anyone pushing him to the item they are scum and will be killed. Now we need to agree to kill zentor or Wiggles by pulling them of the belt. I don't really care since they are both scum we just need to agree. I'm not saying that he's town because he threw syllogism, that just means that he isn't necessarily scum. I'm saying that he's town because he claimed an anonymous power that scum might as well just have hidden, and he even claimed it in an attempt to save Palmar. Why would scum nullify Palmar in the red zone, and then claim an anonymous power just to attempt to save him? | ||
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Snarfs and I are town masons, we are mod confirmed to each other. Yes, mod confirmed, that was in our role PM so we are mod confirmed. Sorry for the absoluteness of this but that's just how it is. My breadcrumb was when I called Snarfs "mod confirmed townie" in the beginning of this game (not very subtle but I was feeling a bit lazy and I didn't expect that pesky wherebugsgo to go all crazy). Snarfs breadcrumb was when he wrote "prplhz is town" in capital letters in this post. He'll be in here to confirm it some time but you don't really have to wait for that to happen for us to be confirmed town. I'm going out and I won't be back until tomorrow. People need to talk about whether you pull MrZentor or Mr. Wiggles first, and if you are going to leave syllogism at 18 and then push somebody else or if you're pushing him over the edge. I say, leave him and push somebody else. You also need to talk about who you want to push. | ||
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I really doubt we're going to reach consensus on another push lynch (since people tend to favor Mattchew who looks pretty town to me) so maybe we should just push syllogism off the edge. We don't want another no lynch today, please. | ||
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##Push risk.nuke Doesn't matter if scum use nullify because risk.nuke will never be in danger of anything. This plan is decent and it's going to help town a lot. People need to start using PoPs (and for something useful). | ||
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I see that it would be a problem if we wasted PoPs, but we're only going to use pushes and those aren't really going to go to anything else. We can't even decide on pulling Mr. Wiggles or MrZentor, how are we ever going to agree on pushing anybody? | ||
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Gonna go outside for a while. | ||
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I just want to say that, the breadcrumbs that Snarfs and I made were in case one died, then the other could freely claim whenever he wanted without potentially getting counter claimed by scum (don't know in what scenario that would be useful, but in themed games anything can happen). My breadcrumb was a little obvious but that doesn't matter, I doubt anybody read anything into it. I just claimed because people still thought I was scum and I was 95% sure about MrZentor and I needed them to listen, but I'm not really a charismatic or persuasive guy (and I'd already been too wrong to get anybody to listen to me). When people starting pushing Mattchew I pretty much just dropped the game but it was over at that point anyway. I like the idea of just getting simple stuff over with first and then moving on to other matters later. I think townies in this game sometimes felt like they were "behind" and that they had to do something extraordinary to get ahead again instead of just doing whatever was simple and safe. I'm never playing with Bluelightz again and I hope there's going to be some consequences. One thing is that he didn't put any shred of effort into this game, another thing is that in spite of not actually playing in this game, he joined Bastard Mafia sometime during day2. I am really upset. | ||
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