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Who the hell claims DT, able to check multiple people at the same time, on day1? Who does that? Bill Murray, that's who. | ||
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There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't implement a voting system of sorts, but it's going to take some administration. I'm more worried about how people likely aren't going to use and/or follow it, and how that would lead to chaos. I'm also worried about leaving PoPs until close to the deadline. I can't be around and it's going to be hard for town to coordinate PoPs when 20 people suddenly have to agree. All of these things seem to take away from how people need to be active and transparent over all other things. If people can just do that I don't really see the need for a voting system at all. | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote: prplhz, please tell me who you would like to kill today and why. Tell me additionally what you think of syllogism, VE, and layabout. How about Tobon? Nothing in his filter even though he calls out for scum hunting, most of it is just pointing out random stuff and summarizing the thread. I'm not decided yet but he's looking pretty bad. Why are you asking about those three specifically? I have no idea why we are sending Palmar for that item. It's not really that powerful and we can still determine his alignment without him getting it (well, it wouldn't hurt if he would post a little more). wherebugsgo already pointed out potential dangers, scum could have a hidden PoP role, like a PoP Floridian Toy, and then they could pull (push) Palmar over the edge when he gets the item. killing one of the best town players. This is really risky and I'm totally against it and I think people should have thought more carefully about this before going through with it, and then they should have concluded that it wasn't worth it at all. | ||
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It means that if you do a cost/benefit analysis of getting that item for Palmar, you'll eventually reach the conclusion that it's not worth it. It's way too risky and the item is not very powerful. Since you're apparently going ahead with it anyway we should just stop talking about it. I'm just very displeased with it. Why are you so focused on being reckless? @wherebugsgo Dodge? I answered one question and then I asked you a question, that seems pretty fair to me. Why are you dodging instead of just answering my god damn question? If you just answered then I'd probably answer your question too, well, maybe. While I'm leaning in some direction on all of them, I don't want to lynch any of them right now so I'm keeping my reads to myself. I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling. Leaving Palmar in the red zone is the epitome of "guilty until proven innocent". I'm holding on to my push until he's back out of the red. It's a shame that the further people pull him into the red, the more people will have an excuse for holding their pushes until he's out again. If you people want to go through with this plan then you start pulling Palmar to that item, the last puller should coordinate with the first pusher so that he doesn't stay very long in 24. | ||
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@Palmar It's quite cool that you have that ability but you can't seriously have been thinking of using it without informing town first? People have started to push people toward the red zone and all that work would be undone if you just flip the queue. Why do you want to kill someone for bads? That seems like a rather poor reason when we're supposed to kill people for scum. Is there anybody you want to kill for scum? | ||
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@VisceraEyes You would be alright with a syllogism lynch because syllogism is setup speculating from a scum perspective when he says that Bill Murray's role is too powerful? Think about it from an objective stand point then because that's what syllogism surely has whether he's scum or town, the role is actually quite powerful when you keep in mind that scum only has 1KP. My problem was that the claim seemed like, the role was kind of well thought out but how he communicated it to town was pretty shabby. I would expect a scum to pretty much have the role PM written down so they know exactly what their claim is about. Bill Murray didn't really do anything besides his claim and that's bad. Overall I wouldn't want to lynch him. Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way? Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it. Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro. | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you defending syllogism with this post? Do you think syllogism is town? Why do you prefer lynching Cephiro over syllogism or Sbrubbles? Why do you say we should lynch all of them and then say we should lynch Cephiro? Is it because you know Cephiro would flip town (thus necessitating multiple deaths?) Yes. I dont' think we should lynch syllogism today. I prefer Cephiro because I think he was being too careful in his early posting and because he seemed to be irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item. The lynch-'em-all idea was just an observation, it's most likely infeasible to lynch them all today which is why I took a more pragmatic stance later in the post. Lyching into them gives us at least a 2:1 chance to lynch scum which is pretty good and I think we should definitely see if we can't agree on something like that today. I'm proposing Cephiro, but after just reading his filter a bit more carefully maybe I'll go for Sbrubbles instead. He said he'd post some more so we'll see how that goes. | ||
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What is you guys' problem? I gave people a heads up so we didn't have any unfortunate accidents and then I went to prepare myself for bed. Jesus christ you're paranoid for absolutely no reason at all. What scum motivation is there for saying that I'm going to push somebody soon and then wait a little while to do it? "What if it's just a decoy and currently making his way out to steal all of our cereal?" @wherebugsgo I would really appreciate it if you would at least write out single sentences explaining why you are quoting my posts. I don't understand what you mean by "rofl" so it seems to me like you're just trying to get on my nerves and I don't want any part of that. Mostly, it seemed to me like you weren't thinking at all, you took things out of context and then instead of actually trying to use any arguments you just wrote "rofl" to ridicule me. I am not going to write a huge syllogism-town analysis when there's no case against him and it doesn't look like he's going to get lynched. Sufficient to say, I'm against lynching him today and I don't like the "scum POV setup speculation" argument that I already responded to. Cephiro's early posts seemed very careful and I didn't understand his irrationaly fear of Palmar getting the item. This made me think he was scummier than Sbrubbles (who was just afk) and syllogism (who didn't do anything scummy yet). | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:58 Cephiro wrote: Lol, couldn't come up with a better response after thinking that long? I guess I'll give a heads-up too. VE, say the word and I'll push right after I read your post. So prp, you think I'm scummy because I did not want Palmar to gain the item. However, as wbg pointed out, you didn't want that yourself either. Admittingly, I've been much more vocal about myself being against it, but really? CONTEXT No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"? I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging I ask you why you're defending syllogism. You respond with: and falls under: I ask you whether the "yes" was to "are you defending syllo" or "are you calling syllo town" or both, no answer there. So, are you going to answer my questions or are you going to continue dodging? Your day 1 effort in trying to find scum has been nonexistent, to say the least. Day 1 ends in 4 hours, and you've done nothing but meekly state we should lynch cephiro based on risk's roleclaim and the apparent lack of a better target. Yes, I am defending syllogism, yes, I think he is town. No, I'm not going to write a lot about syllogism. "Dodging" is probably a poor description of what I'm doing, I'm straight up refusing to do it because I see no reason to do it right now. Overall he seems to care about the game, he's been reasonably active and then I don't like the idea of lynching syllogism on day1. "I don't think he has done anything scummy yet", do you want me to go through all of his posts and explain sentence after sentence why they're not scummy? I want to lynch Cephiro because I think his early posts looked very careful and because he seemed irrationally afraid that Palmar should get the item. I already stated this in the thread I believe so you're just misrepresenting when you say it's based on "risk's roleclaim and the apparent lack of a better target". On April 03 2012 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote: prpl, out of curiosity - what makes you "trust (Palmar) to be town"? I mean, obviously I'm townie town-town, but why Palmar? He was nullified by scum and would be a pretty poor move if Palmar was scum. On April 03 2012 09:15 Cephiro wrote: I love how you keep dodging the question wbg points at you, just trying to focus on me. And the only thing that you have on me is that I seemed "afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Very convincing. Why do you think wbg has convinced me? He brought up a very good point which I do agree with. That doesn't mean he has me in a leash or anything of the sort. In all honesty, you are digging your own grave with every new post you make. Do you honestly want to look what this looks like to me? It looks like you're trying to divert the attention from your scumbuddy syllogism to a townie mislynch. It looks to me like you're speculating wildly and writing dumb stuff in bold letters. Maybe you're not scum after all. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote: syllo seems to care about the game? Is that why he advised against random PoPing and then pushed BM randomly? Is that why he's advocating that others join him in trying to kill BM? You have no basis for your assertion that Cephiro was "irrationally afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Indeed, in no way have you even shown how fear of Palmar getting an item is scummy. All you do is continually assert this single thing over and over, and you of all people should know that is no way to find scum. I find it hard to believe that you are actually town with your stubborn refusal to cooperate so far. Really? wherebugsgo, really? You have been screaming out for hours for me to prove that syllogism is town, how terribly stubborn and useless has that been? Do you really think anything you've said so far makes me scum? I see that you appear to think I have contradicted myself, been stubborn, and refused to give reads, but do you think any of this makes me scum? On April 03 2012 09:34 Cephiro wrote: Okay, I believe this is what they call WIFOM. But I'd like to point it out anyway: How could you know for sure he was nullified by scum? I do admit that it certainly doesn't look like a pro-town move, but there is a slight possibility it could have been a townie ability. Okay. Then lets assume that. If there's 95% chance of the thing that I'm assuming then why are you even complaining? What do you gain by this other than just ruining whatever shred of a case you had against me by proving conclusively that you're just tunneling me? I can understand wherebugsgo, he has some crazy idea that getting on people's nerves will make his read of them better (I totally disagree with that, he's better in observer QTs because he isn't in the game to screw everything up), but why are you doing it? I'm kinda leaning more town on you after reading through your filter. You seems excessively active for a scum, even though a lot of it has been mindless OMGUS aggression against me spurred on by wherebugsgo. | ||
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Is VisceraEyes still around? [b]##Pull Sbrubbles[/br] Best pull of the 4 who could conceivably be pulled off the board. | ||
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