Death Factory Mafia 2

On April 01 2012 23:52 MrZentor wrote:
Here are a few of my positions.

1. Pushing Palmar to get the item is extremely risky. If we use scum to push him up there, they will have an excuse not to vote. If we use towns to push him to the item, the scum will have a proportionally higher votecount to the rest of town. Since we don't know much about who is scum and who isn't, except for that really weird dt check, we would probably have a mix of scum and town. Basically, I think we push Palmar to the item, we should go for a no lynch and instead vote on how the item will be used, or we could push Palmar with some votes, have all people do unofficial votes on who to kill, and force all people with remaining official votes to vote for that person.

I will underline things worse than the lynch, italicize things just as good as the lynch, and bold things better than the lynch. This is assuming we vote on how it's used.

A 1 shot medic kit - It can not be used on your self. It works for the following night and day cycle.
A 1 shot gun - Can be used that same day or the following night.
A magnifying glass = Reveals the alignment of 1 player to you.
A Teleportation Device - Instantly swap positions with any player on the queue for that day only.
A Refresher Orb that renews all PoPs for everyone and special abilities for the day phase.
An Etch-A-Sketch that allows you target a player and draw them, thereby granting yourself a copy of their powers + your own. Mafia players can not copy powers from their allies.
So we have a 50% chance of getting something worse than the lynch, 16.7% same, and 33.3% chance of better.

2. Random PoPing to Coordinated Poping. If we all push the person who we think is scummiest and pull the person who we think it most innocent, we will get good reads on each other, but the lynch might not be successful. If we have a "town leader" and coordinate our pushes on to one person, we won't get good reads on each other, but we will have a successful lynch. Right now I'd rather go for the random Poping, because I just died in a game in which Coordinated Poping lead to failure.



If you look at the starting positions and his claim, you'll see that he moved past snarf and VE and into the empty space. That's three moves.

On April 02 2012 00:34 MrZentor wrote:
I think you misunderstood me. I don't want to have Palmar get the item, because of the tons of risks. I was showing that if he did get the item, we should each unofficially vote somebody and have the people with official votes vote for that person. That way scum doesn't have more votes.

Each person unofficially voting for somebody would be decided by themselves, so we can get a good read on each person.

On April 02 2012 00:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
We haven't heard from everyone yet, I'm holding onto my thoughts on who's scum until we do. Thank you, and good day.

On April 02 2012 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Syllo you're looking bad. I'm thinking about Popping you bro. What do you think about that?

On April 02 2012 01:16 MrZentor wrote:


Okay, let me try to explain this one more time.

1. If we want an innocent person to try to get the item, which I think is a bad idea now, but it might be a good idea later, then we need to make it so that mafia don't have a larger vote count proportionally to the town, because town used half of its votes to get the innocent person to the item and back.

2. To achieve this goal, we should have each person do an "unofficial PoP". This would allow us to get a good read on each person, and it would allow the town to have all of its votes; it would also force any mafia who helped get the innocent person to the item to back to give their reads. Then we would have all the people, who still have their PoPs, officially vote for the person we unofficially decided to kill.

3. I think this would be the best way to have an innocent person get the item and for us to still have the lynch.

I hope I articulated this better than last time.

On April 02 2012 05:19 Bill Murray wrote:

@dirkzor

How is this?
on the bolded, what?

on the italicized, can you explain what the word bussing means, dirkzor?

I have to post this

I have a new suspect, and potentially two caught here

11. Toys have one Push and one Pull option per day. Use them wisely because once they are used you can not get them back on that day.

On April 02 2012 14:54 Tobon wrote:


I agree with all this. I'm not liking Cascades' post and pull either.

However, pushing him is still a bad idea right now. Because of the two-toys-fill-a-row bumping mechanic, the more spread out we toys get the more pushes it takes to get anyone into the fire zone. The worst thing we can do as good toys is to end up almost killing several suspects instead of making sure to get one or two.

As long as we're talking about queue mechanics, I'll make explicit something I've just been hinting at as well: we have no control over Palmar. Anyone thinking "we let him get the item and then if he acts scummy we just don't push him back out of the fire" isn't considering that he can happily hang out in the fire zone and just flip the queue if it seems like he might end the day there.

That having been said, though, we can take advantage of that situation by leaving Palmar exactly where he is. Our two biggest lurkers, risk.nuke and Sbrubbles probably figure they are safe because they are near the bottom, Blue is hard to lynch because he's down there too. If we _pull_ (1) Blue, (2) Blue, (3) Sbrubbles, (4) risk, (5) Blue, and then let Palmar swap ends then we get all three of what look like the scummiest so far with only 5 pulls. If Palmar is town, he'll agree to the plan, and if he's scum he'd have to sacrifice himself by not using his power and dying in order to save those 3, which he wouldn't do unless 1 or more of them are also scum, so we'd end up killing one scum and identifying more.

On April 02 2012 17:14 Palmar wrote:
cascades is town btw.

On April 03 2012 04:38 Palmar wrote:
My reads aren't very strong atm. If I can be arsed I'll sit down and organize my thoughts into something useful.

On April 02 2012 01:50 syllogism wrote:
The problem with free for all PoPing is that once someone throws down their vote, they can't get it back. If that is allowed, scum can throw away their vote while hasty townies can waste theirs. If we later reach a consensus on "lynching" someone, the votes may not be there and we'll gain less information as some people may have already used "their votes".

On April 03 2012 06:25 Acrofales wrote:
WBG: you're complaining about people wasting PoPs, but don't even read the thread properly?! You just wasted a pull. In fact, the very pull that made me decide he was speaking the truth:


And then, 8 pages later, you come in and just throw away your pull. Derp much?

On April 04 2012 06:30 Tobon wrote:


Layabout confirmed town. ;-)

I'm thinking syllogism, Bluelightz, Mr.Zentor for lynching, in that order.

On April 05 2012 07:08 Cephiro wrote:


Why not? If you check Palmars reverse-ability, it was on a timer as well. In fact, if my ability wasn't on a timer it would be overpowered as hell.

I hope there are lots of you around to carry this plan to the end, but the lack of speech and the mod is worrying me. >.>

On April 05 2012 07:43 layabout wrote:

Because i honestly believe that Bluelightz might do this as town. I am concerned that some people are PoPing him because his actions are terrible not because they think he is scum. After yesterday it should be clear how important discussion and planning are. I am concerned that Bluelightz received so many PoP's in a short amount of time before there had been time for a proper discussion. It seems like you had all decided what to do before i even opened the thread and before Bluelightz could defend himself.

On April 05 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
There are several townies in this game who are not pulling their fair share. You know who you are; if I consider you to be scummy at this point and you're actually town you're probably one of them.

People who need to stop fucking around if they are town:

mattchew, cascades, bluelightz, BM, MrZentor

The chance that all of you are scum is incredibly marginal, so please, whichever ones of you are town, step it up and try to help find the scum.

On April 05 2012 23:24 Mattchew wrote:
Im here. I am active when I can hawk the thread and see each post almost in real time. This is something I have been unable to do this game. I am not good at catching up on reading of an active thread. You'll notice this is similar to me in the Kaller game, where with all the roles and craziness I basically did nothing the entire game. I feel like I've basically subbed into this game.

I tried to offer opinions and failed miserably as WBG pointed out because I haven't read the thread. This is my fault, its insulting to the players and the mods and I apologize.

That being said. I am coming more actively into the game at a time when the conveyer belt thing is MIA. I also could have used my power secretively (throwing someone around me 2 - 4 spaces) but imma choose to wait till tomorrow.

On April 07 2012 20:23 prplhz wrote:

I don't think you should check while Mr. Wiggles is in there because I think we're lynching him today anyway.

How about I pull Mr. Wiggles and then you push one of Dirkzor/MrZentor and pull one of Acrofales/Nemesis and then you check the remaining two? Either you confirm 2 townies or you give us at least 50% chance to find scum in them.

On April 09 2012 07:15 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

I didn't feel like Palmar was worth saving. He wasn't putting any effort into the game, and I thought there were better uses of my power later on into the game. Next, Cephiro was nullified and saved within a twenty minute period where I wasn't around. So, what's your point?

Just wait for Ace to update the queue. I'm not the nullifier. You can tell because I won't be on the queue anymore.

I think that one of you or Nemesis are very likely to flip scum based on your posting. It shouldn't be surprising I think this, I already wrote it before, if you're reading the thread. I'm done being reasonable though, because you guys obviously can't be trusted to discuss anything properly and not just act impulsively or give terrible reasoning to do whatever you feel like.

On April 09 2012 16:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
You see, I am the Stealth Assassin Toy. Once per game, I have the power to go invisible. As well, I have the power to send in a list of two or more people. If they're of opposing alignments, nothing happens. However, if they're the same alignment, I kill all of them. Thanks for making this easy. GG.