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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Who the hell claims DT, able to check multiple people at the same time, on day1? Who does that? Bill Murray, that's who. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 01 2012 17:49 prplhz wrote: Look at him, he was mod confirmed town before you even claimed. wtf | ||
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prplhz
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wherebugsgo
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prplhz
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
There is one problem with the voting system, however, and that is the fact the lynch deadline is very late. I count at least 7 players who likely won't be able to online anywhere near the deadline on weekdays, so they would have to use their PoPs in advance. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On April 01 2012 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: I can move up to 3 spaces, and when I do, if anyone in the lines I'm moving are scum, I can't move. I moved on a line with VE (he's not scum), and had to go through snarf (he's not scum) The position chart indicates you started next to snarf; can you verify that your power clears him too? This seems like a typical bm day 1 claim so there is little reason to doubt you other than the fact the power seems very strong. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't implement a voting system of sorts, but it's going to take some administration. I'm more worried about how people likely aren't going to use and/or follow it, and how that would lead to chaos. I'm also worried about leaving PoPs until close to the deadline. I can't be around and it's going to be hard for town to coordinate PoPs when 20 people suddenly have to agree. All of these things seem to take away from how people need to be active and transparent over all other things. If people can just do that I don't really see the need for a voting system at all. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It would take 6 pushes and 4 pulls to succeed; tying up 4 players' pushes AND pulls and a further 2 pushes. What happens if you accidentally dedicate a scum player to pulling/pushing the target? That player gets away without having to justify his vote. We'd even have a bias toward looking upon that player favorably simply due to him/her agreeing with the plan. It can't be "easily ensured' by simply dedicating a set number of people to saving the person in question. How do we determine who does what? How do we control the lynch when we sacrifice 25%+ of our voting ability and increase the proportional power of scum? How do we coordinate when we don't even know who's on our side and who isn't? Lastly, if we successfully devote time and effort to getting someone up there, how do we know that scum don't have a mechanic that can punish us for that? How do we know that scum don't have a hidden push ability? How do we know scum don't have a mechanic that locks a toy in place? The fact is, we don't know anything. Thus, tying up a large proportion of our votes just to get a relatively weak one time use blue power is not worth the effort. I'd rather win this game through analysis, because I am highly against any sort of reliance on blues to win. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
just remember to reverse your action because apparently I'm some weird toy that gets pulled when pushed, and pushed while pulled. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Obvious is that no-one should randomly throw PoP's around yet due to their one-time usage nature. Wbg brings up many good points. We should concentrate on locating the evil toys and co-operate to get them soaked by flames. Not really sure what to make of BM's claim either. I hear it's typical of him, but in all honesty, I don't give a flying fuck about meta. I'd like him to confirm if his supposed check works on the slot where he left from also, as I think that remained slightly unclear. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I don't understand why you would use your power now when you could have used it later to give so much more information. I don't think we should push anyone to the item and back. It could be worthless and as people have already said it removes reponsibility from the people doing the pushing/pulling. I find it odd that palmar wants to go for the item. Prplhz: How did you come the conclusion that Snarfs was in anyway confirmed town?!?! Mod confirmed makes even less sense then you just calling him confirmed town?! | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On April 01 2012 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: I can move up to 3 spaces, and when I do, if anyone in the lines I'm moving are scum, I can't move. I moved on a line with VE (he's not scum), and had to go through snarf (he's not scum) Clarification: Do you mean that you decide how far you move, and you decided to move only 1 space to check just two people? Or do you mean that it could have been 3 spaces but you moved only 1, so someone in here: 12.[wherebugsgo][prplhz] 11. [Acrofales][___________] is scum? | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On April 01 2012 19:50 Palmar wrote: just remember to reverse your action because apparently I'm some weird toy that gets pulled when pushed, and pushed while pulled. Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
1. Pushing Palmar to get the item is extremely risky. If we use scum to push him up there, they will have an excuse not to vote. If we use towns to push him to the item, the scum will have a proportionally higher votecount to the rest of town. Since we don't know much about who is scum and who isn't, except for that really weird dt check, we would probably have a mix of scum and town. Basically, I think we push Palmar to the item, we should go for a no lynch and instead vote on how the item will be used, or we could push Palmar with some votes, have all people do unofficial votes on who to kill, and force all people with remaining official votes to vote for that person. I will underline things worse than the lynch, italicize things just as good as the lynch, and bold things better than the lynch. This is assuming we vote on how it's used. A 1 shot medic kit - It can not be used on your self. It works for the following night and day cycle. A 1 shot gun - Can be used that same day or the following night. A magnifying glass = Reveals the alignment of 1 player to you. A Teleportation Device - Instantly swap positions with any player on the queue for that day only. A Refresher Orb that renews all PoPs for everyone and special abilities for the day phase. An Etch-A-Sketch that allows you target a player and draw them, thereby granting yourself a copy of their powers + your own. Mafia players can not copy powers from their allies. So we have a 50% chance of getting something worse than the lynch, 16.7% same, and 33.3% chance of better. 2. Random PoPing to Coordinated Poping. If we all push the person who we think is scummiest and pull the person who we think it most innocent, we will get good reads on each other, but the lynch might not be successful. If we have a "town leader" and coordinate our pushes on to one person, we won't get good reads on each other, but we will have a successful lynch. Right now I'd rather go for the random Poping, because I just died in a game in which Coordinated Poping lead to failure. On April 01 2012 20:52 Dirkzor wrote: Weird claim by BM. Believing it would make myself or Zentor scum i guess? So lets kill zentor? =) I don't understand why you would use your power now when you could have used it later to give so much more information. I don't think we should push anyone to the item and back. It could be worthless and as people have already said it removes reponsibility from the people doing the pushing/pulling. I find it odd that palmar wants to go for the item. Prplhz: How did you come the conclusion that Snarfs was in anyway confirmed town?!?! Mod confirmed makes even less sense then you just calling him confirmed town?! If you look at the starting positions and his claim, you'll see that he moved past snarf and VE and into the empty space. That's three moves. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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