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On March 26 2012 12:15 VisceraEyes wrote: /in also. If there's room. You know. If I have a gun, I'm shooting you night 1 :O | ||
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To elaborate on that: While yes, lurking is a perfectly viable strategy for mafia, townies also lurk for various reasons like lack of activity. Lynching for lurking alone is pretty much a crap shoot whether you'll find mafia or not. I won't encourage lynching lurkers unless there is an activity problem. Because if there is an activity problem, it is much harder to read people, and lynching lurkers will force people to increase their activity. | ||
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On March 27 2012 08:19 zelblade wrote: Blabla no lynch bad blahblah In sch post mre ltr Do you mind posting something coherent? On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote: As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass. Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play. However, if it's a stance you want: In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner. WIFOM If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers. Thanks for stating the obvious. This is a rather crappy post. Town SHOULD always take a stance. If your stance change throughout the game, then you just have to explain why it changed. Scum are the only one who should fear taking stances, as they can get caught when their explanation doesn't match with their stance. | ||
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On March 27 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe if you accompanied your question with reasoning as to why I'm "so scum this game" instead of empty threats, I'd be more inclined to answer your question fully. What part of my play so far indicates that I'm "so scum"? It was a joke(with reference to how I tunneled you last game) ![]() | ||
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On March 27 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote: /confirm Good morning, gentlemen. First off, regarding our discussion of policy lynches: I personally apply a soft "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars" policy to all the games in which I play. My first goal is always to lynch scum. Scum likes to lurk, and scum likes to lie. I am highly suspicious of lurkers and liars, but I will not automatically lynch every lurker and every liar-- this is too easily abused by scum. That being said, I have lynched lurkers and liars in the past and am not afraid to do so in this game. Nobody can convince me to modify my personal stance and I will not do so. Secondarily, regarding setup: This is fairly simple. This is a closed setup with 10 town and 4 scum. Scum can win by either the traditional fashion, or by destroying 5 specific players or the other 5 specific players as an alternative wincon. It is immediately obvious that we should not share our alignment. Anarcy fo life The town should not take a unified stance. If we rigidly follow a unified stance scum will just crap on us. We must always adapt to the situation at hand. The idea that you're somehow gonna catch scum because of their thoughts on a POLICY LYNCH is so utterly preposterous as to be asinine in character. Policy lynches are the last resort of a lost town, not some vital centerpiece for scumhunting. I hope you can understand that. ![]() In this image: Blazinghand and Nemesis. Lol, ok one last post before I go to sleep. Stop misrepresenting what I said to defend your scummate: 1. I never said that town should take a unified stance. Just that they should take a stance on important things. 2. I never said we shouldn't adapt. In fact, I explicitly said that stances do change, and you just need to explain it when they change. 3. I never said that discussing policy lynches are important. Sinensis, would you please stop inflating useless topics? | ||
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1. By town making stances. I mean townies, now town as a whole. 3. I was discussing policy lynches to move discussion along. We have to start discussion from somewhere. Also, I'm being unnecessary aggressive, what do you call those gifs? Maybe you can take your own advice, you hypocrite. 1) the idea that the town should take a stance is not good. Individually, we should make our own stances and developed them with the discussion You just agreed with me right here. Cyber_cheese was saying that we shouldn't take a clear stance on anything because we might change our view later on. I pointed out how that is bad for town, tell me do you agree with what he is saying then? | ||
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1. 1. By town making stances. I mean townies, not town as a whole. | ||
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Yes, as I was pointing out his posts were quite bad. In addition to what I've said, VE's points are also good. There is no reason for townies to hint at their nationalities as it just makes it easier for scum to fulfill their second win condition. On the other hand though, scum could have plenty of reason to hint at nationalities like fishing for other people's nationalities. On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote: ![]() Alright boys, lets do this. Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps? Plus, he seems to be avoiding taking a solid stance in here. He's trying to imply that VE is scum, but not outright saying it so that he can avoid taking responsibility if other people push him and it ends up in a mislynch. Blazinghand, I thought at first was chainsaw defending him with his ridiculous posts, but people are pointing out how he acts retarded like this in other games too. Since I've never played with him before, I'll take their word for it that BH is just retarded. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese | ||
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read my previous posts about him: (clicky) He tries to imply that VE is scum without outright saying it. He was wishy-washy with his post, and never followed up on that. As to why his other post is bad. He encourages play that is bad for town. clicky As to why I'm taking people's word on BH. It's because there were like 4 people that said his play was like that. So unless all of them are ballsy scum(which is impossible as there are only 4 scum btw), I don't see why not take their word for it? Plus it's very easy to check his previous game, and I doubt scum would risk slipping for something stupid like that. And I'm a bit too busy right now to read through his past games. If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are not good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now? | ||
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On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag. Why did I post it? I was going to post it regardless of pm. As for my stances ##Vote Bluelightz Is that seriously your entire defense for the entire case against you? Plus that case on bluelightz was just hilariously bad. Also, seriously cccalf only has 1 post? If we have a vig, shoot him now, so we don't waste time on him later. Sloosh, I'm still waiting for your reads. | ||
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On March 28 2012 12:56 Blazinghand wrote: If you don't think VE is scum, I wouldn't mind help with a JW wagon. That being said, of the three of you who I suspect as scum, VE is by far the most dangerous, as a town leader and as a terrorist. JW is fairly benign, as he himself notes-- he's bad at making arguments and pushing wagons. I'd be comfortable with lynching him, but if VE is scum we really should try to get him D1. I'd really prefer a VE lynch though. I'm going to see if I can drum up support and convince the others that we need to take him down. If that fails, then a JW lynch is on the table, and so is letting your wagon roll across the line. What a shitty non-committal post. "I think VE is scum, but JW or CC might be scum too." Take a stance on which ONE among them you actually think is scum. You are saying that they might all be scum, but VE is the most dangerous one. It doesn't matter who is more dangerous as scum(if that was the case we'd instantly lynch all veteran players), but who is most likely scum. Unless you are trying to say that all three of them are all scum, which is quite improbable. | ||
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Got anything better than him just being VE? | ||
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I agree with sloosh that the case on gonzaw is rather weak. Will go through his posts to get a better read of him. | ||
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Gonzaw, can you explain what is similar between bluelightz's player there as mafia, and his play here right now, because frankly,I don't see it. @Everyone: This is one of those times where I agree with C_C. Doesn't it seem suspicious that nobody is suspicious of Blue and they defend him? A LOT of people are resisting the Blue lynch, don't you think that if he was townie some scum would jump on his bandwagon? Maybe people are resisting, because there isn't a strong case against him? | ||
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VE, who do you think is scum right now? Personally, I'm leaning towards sinensis right now. | ||
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I would also like to add to that to CHECK sinensis' filter. You will see that he hasn't done shit this game. He hasn't even given out any of his reads besides C_C being scum. Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics: On March 27 2012 11:34 Sinensis wrote: gonzaw when you do line breaks, only use one of them please. Like that. Also I agree that NO ONE should claim Nationality for any reason, as that information can only hurt us. On March 27 2012 11:48 Sinensis wrote: Also, I work every day from at least 5pm to 10pm EST. I will post very consistently after work near 10pm. So VisceraEyes, "what's" "with" "all" "these" "quotation" "marks" you use whenever you talk about "liars" or "scum" or "bad play"? Several Examples + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Cool guys, am I really one of the only "vets" in this game? ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU! That being said, I'm in favor of lynching a lurker if we can't find a good scum candidate (fat chance) and I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Lynching is for killing scum, not for punishing "bad play". "But VE, isn't lynching a lurker the same thing as lynching to punish bad play?" No kind sir, lurking isn't just bad play...lurking is a very viable strategy that scum often employ to hide. For my part, I'll be keeping my eye on C_C and to a lesser extent BH due to them being among the only names I recognize as players who have played more than like 2 games here. This is one of the first games I've played where the average experience level is so low...so I'm probably not going to be on the offensive as much this game...but I make no guarantees. On March 27 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, lying is situational and obviously we need to scrutinze any inconsistencies we find...but lynching by policy anyone found to have been untruthful about anything? Not today sir. Not ever as far as I'm concerned. If someone is scummy because they lied, they should be scummy for other reasons. If someone's lying is the only thing that makes them "scummy", then I'm not on-board with a lynch of said person. That's what I meant by "I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Policy lynches, on the whole, are a bad idea and allow scum to control the lynch. On March 27 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe if you accompanied your question with reasoning as to why I'm "so scum this game" instead of empty threats, I'd be more inclined to answer your question fully. What part of my play so far indicates that I'm "so scum"? On March 27 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll prod whomever I want whenever I want for whatever reason whether you think it's helpful for you or not gonzaw. Now, let's talk about this generic/obvious advice you gave. I know why you did it (glare @ C_C) but the part that concerns me is bolded in your quote. As a member of town, I happen to know for a FACT that I don't know what "nationality" people are. So that begs the question...why preface your "advice" with the statement "As far as I know..."? It seems to me like you're trying too hard to appear clueless. On March 27 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote: Also, there's only been one topic. It's topic. Not "topics [sic]." VisceraEyes using quotes. You weren't even part of that conversation. SUCH USEFUL TOPICS MAN! As for gonzaw, I still don't see the stupid similarity between his play here and aperture. Your example of using smileys are horrible. I don't think you are scum but your case is terrible. Here's a counterexample for when bluelightz is town from Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II and he uses stupid smileys too. On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote: Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer >< Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home. P.S Also hope to see more people post! | ||
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On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote: ##vote: Blazinghand Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over. Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either. Is that seriously all you have to say? You have contributed nothing all day yesterday. You are obviously not interested in scum-hunting. A vote for sinensis is a vote for scum. GOGOGO! ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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On March 27 2012 14:44 Sinensis wrote: I think he is being aggressive and unreasonable. Johhny wasn't wrong about anything he said about Blazinghand as far as I'm concerned. I don't think Blazinghand's vote possesses any substance. I think he is just trying to see who goes after him, and to what end they will continue to go after him. As of now I will be watch his vote the closest toward the vote deadline. he gives his opinion on Johnny's and blazinghand's play. But still notice what is missing? He doesn't take a stance on whether he thinks BH or Johnny is town or scum. Also says he will be watching BH towards the end of the day, but even at the end of the day he doesn't give his stance on BH's alignment. On March 28 2012 14:39 Sinensis wrote: I don't find froggynoddy to be a priority. Neutral at the moment. He's picking easy targets, but I haven't seen a lot of effort so that seems right. Once again, he doesn't take a stance. On March 29 2012 13:45 Sinensis wrote: Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway. Tries to push for BH with WIFOM logic. He doesn't take a stance on anyone except for C_C who everyone already thought was suspicious. Conclusion: He is being non-commital with his play, and is just trying to avoid contact with everyone. He is not interested in scumhunting at all. | ||
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And yeah a cccalf lynch will pretty much kill discussion, so I don't really want to go with that right now. | ||
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Also your play here is quite different: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&user=45996 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=45996 In those other games, you are generally more helpful. You were trying to promote discussion, and doing some scumhunting of yourself. But this time you are literally just bandwagoning with easy votes. | ||
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On March 30 2012 08:29 Bluelightz wrote: Actually I take back my previous statement. Anyway, heres why ccalf is scummy ~Pushing case agaisnt town ~Lurking most of day 1 ~No substance at all Ok fine you think cccalf is scum, what do you think of sinensis? ET, nice of you to post, any ideas right now on who should be the lynch candidate? | ||
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On March 30 2012 08:22 Sinensis wrote: "Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy." You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places. I am talking about your vote on cccalf and CC Just because BH was acting stupid doesn't mean he was scum. He also fixed his play in the second half of the day too and actually did some good analysis unlike you. And as Blazinghand pointed out too, your reasoning for your votes are off. On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote: Back from work. So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese If he was suspicious of CC for his softclaim, why does he only find it suspicious during the second time he did it? First time he did, Sinensis didn't even mention a word of it. I'll tell you why, because he was trying to make up a reason for joining the bandwagon on CC. Because he is SCUM. His play does not indicate town, his posts are not motivated by hunting scum but with staying out of the spotlight. A VOTE FOR SINENSIS IS A VOTE FOR SCUM. | ||
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On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote: To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started. You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry. No one has even voted you yet. -_- Also, you seriously can't find the case against you? You must be quite bad at reading. Here I'll link it for you Clicky | ||
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On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote: I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though. But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive. | ||
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I'll wait what everyone else has to say for now before continuing my campaign. Cmon, where is everybody else? ![]() | ||
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On March 30 2012 10:48 Sinensis wrote: You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me? No I'm accusing you of not scumhunting and only sharing your reads when forced to. Anyways, I'm going to let other people respond for now and go to sleep. | ||
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You are pulling a huge OMGUS on everyone that is voting for you right now. THINK why half the town is pretty much finding you suspicious, or better yet actually read the cases against you. -_- I'll summarize my case against sinensis when I come back a few hours from now. | ||
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Screw sinensis for now, you're going down today. Looking at his filter, it's even shittier than sinensis. Compare his filter from election mafia to here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=137099 More specifically, take a look at how he's been actively answering questions asked to him, while in this game, he has pretty much dodged every question directed at him. ##Unvote ##Vote: MrZentor | ||
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On March 31 2012 07:20 EchelonTee wrote: Not today, zentor is going down today. It will be preferable if a vig shoots him, if there isn't, then I think there is most likely a DT and he should be checked then. I'd be willing to lynch him once there aren't any obvious scums anymore like zentor.Discussion is really, really dead... scum would probably only be ok with this if we were going in a nubular direction. sloosh, nemesis, would you be willing to lynch cccalf? people are saying "let someone vig him", which implies there is a consensus that he is scum, but the only person attempting a push is Bluelightz. and what if there isn't a vig T_T Also at Sinensis, I disagree with you that he is just a hapless townie. I am looking at the tone of his post and I see a person disinterested in scumhunting. Take a look his posts in Normal Mini Mafia I: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=45996 Town sinensis tries to push discussion and actively pushes out his reads. I don't see that in this game at all. On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote: FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win. I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis. Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me. TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor. That is all for now. | ||
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Bluelightz do you mind explaining why you voted EchelonTee even though you stated that you think he's town? | ||
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On March 31 2012 13:44 Sinensis wrote: Look. There are 7 votes for zentor. So unless me and/or Bluelightz are scum, which for the sake of this argument we are not, then there are three scum voting for MrZentor right now. Would mafia vote for mafia? It's called bussing, and I doubt you've never heard of it. Seeing how zentor has been acting, I doubt they would even try and save him at this point. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus | ||
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Johnny, we're not at MYLO yet. | ||
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Do you realize how anti-town your actions have been? 1. You have pretty much wasted the entire day talking about you. 2. You have caused chaos throughout the thread. 3. A possible mislynch on yourself. 4. Left us with pretty much no time to actually discuss your stupid story Your analysis is just bad. The quotes are there for you to make a point to prove that "someone is scum or town." Tell me in your example of quotes against me, how does my reasoning for voting CC make me scum, Also how does me saying I'm shooting VE night 1 BEFORE the game has started make me scum, how does me pointing out that you were acting differently this game make me scum, etc. You pretty much took random quotes and put random comments and put random numbers on how "scummy" they are. Also, is that seriously the best you have? I'm scum because I wanted to make sure that someone I think is scum gets lynched? Also, you still haven't addressed the case against you. Saying "I did scummy things because I was lazy" is not sufficient defense. I have to go for now, and I'm not sure I can make it back before the lynch. Sorry, I'm not buying your story at all, and your play is REALLY ANTITOWN no matter what sort of story you spin on it. | ||
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If someone else is the doctor counterclaim now. ##Unvote: MrZentor ##Vote: cccalf I'll leave my vote on cccalf for now. | ||
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Johnny, if someone counterclaims, make sure mrzentor gets lynched. | ||
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I kind of panicked as I had to leave and had to make a split second decision. ##Unvote ##Vote: MrZentor | ||
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ARRGH zentor, if you are town, I hate you so much. If you are scum, well played. Nothing to do but cross my fingers and hope for the best now. | ||
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If he tries to ninjavote again, how bout we lynch him instead? | ||
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Someone hold my hand! | ||
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-Asking useless questions and keeps talking about useless topics(take a look at his filter) - Not scumhunting in day 1, and day 2. Very neutral stance on most players on day 1. Clicky - His reasoning for voting CC is off BH's case My Clicky - Selectively dodges questions On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote: ##vote: Blazinghand Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over. Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either. Note that he just dodges BH's case against him and pulls an OMGUS On March 30 2012 08:22 Sinensis wrote: "Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy." You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places. He only addressed one portion of what I posted against him - Uses chainsaw defense On March 30 2012 10:57 Sinensis wrote: Wouldn't presenting your entire campaign on how I'm scum BEFORE people comment make more sense? I guess your campaign could turn out to be stupid and you want to judge initial reactions before you commit to embarrassment? On March 30 2012 11:06 Sinensis wrote: OKAY SO I BOLDED YOUR NEW REASON WHY I'M SCUM and maybe a pattern is starting to emerge? Anyway the bolded part isn't true I have shared every read I have had this game, and I would be scum hunting but the person I am suspicious of hasn't responded yet so in the mean time... there is this. Note that my case against him from the beginning was that HE WAS NOT INTERESTED IN SCUMHUNTING and taking very neutral stances against players. But he somehow tries and spin that as a "new reason" and tries to put suspicion to me even though he stated before he thought I was town. So which is it? Town wouldn't have any reason to make up reasons for lynching someone and here you are trying to imply that I am just making up reasons to think that I am scum. On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote: It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something. Again he pulls another chainsaw defense and OMGUS on someone for voting for him. - history Clickly - inconsistent reads On March 30 2012 08:02 Sinensis wrote: cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity. If you have more specific questions for me, please ask them. On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote: It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something. Credit to gonzaw for noticing that. This pretty much confirms him as scum. We can still win this town gogogo! | ||
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Looks like we don't have a vig at all. Most likely we have a US DT. Anyways we have to vote together. The DT should probably roleclaim right now since we are in LYLO. Don't reveal all your claims though if your ability is similar to sloosh. Reveal only what you need to, that is if the lynch targets today are innocent or guilty. | ||
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You know what screw it, Sinensis is scum, and we don't need dts to prove it. | ||
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On April 04 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote: Can someone explain to me how soft-claiming your nationality is fishing? Yeah it makes it easier for scum to reach their alternate win condition but how does it make sense as scum? I mean people aren't going to straight up claim their nationality just because you do? I didn't understand that part of the case and it seemed to be what got everyone off side with C_C. I had the impression he was playing "badly" so as to survive the night. He is a relative veteran in this game and so for day 1 it wasn't a terrible strategy. Of course VE went full throttle and that sealed the deal. Were there four blues in this game? If so that gives scum a 40% chance of nuke success night 1. Pretty high if you ask me. It kind of puts pressure on people to respond to the post. I had the urge to actually say something like "FOR THE SOVIET UNION!" or something like that, or if I was US I might have said "Down with the commies!." That was what was going through my head when I saw his flag honestly >.< | ||
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