The Sum of All Fears Mafia

On March 26 2012 12:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
/in also. If there's room. You know.

On March 27 2012 08:19 zelblade wrote:
Blabla no lynch bad blahblah

In sch post mre ltr

On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
WIFOM
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.
Thanks for stating the obvious.

On March 27 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote:


Maybe if you accompanied your question with reasoning as to why I'm "so scum this game" instead of empty threats, I'd be more inclined to answer your question fully. What part of my play so far indicates that I'm "so scum"?

On March 27 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote:
/confirm

Good morning, gentlemen.

First off, regarding our discussion of policy lynches: I personally apply a soft "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars" policy to all the games in which I play. My first goal is always to lynch scum. Scum likes to lurk, and scum likes to lie. I am highly suspicious of lurkers and liars, but I will not automatically lynch every lurker and every liar-- this is too easily abused by scum. That being said, I have lynched lurkers and liars in the past and am not afraid to do so in this game. Nobody can convince me to modify my personal stance and I will not do so.

Secondarily, regarding setup: This is fairly simple. This is a closed setup with 10 town and 4 scum. Scum can win by either the traditional fashion, or by destroying 5 specific players or the other 5 specific players as an alternative wincon. It is immediately obvious that we should not share our alignment. Anarcy fo life




The town should not take a unified stance. If we rigidly follow a unified stance scum will just crap on us. We must always adapt to the situation at hand. The idea that you're somehow gonna catch scum because of their thoughts on a POLICY LYNCH is so utterly preposterous as to be asinine in character. Policy lynches are the last resort of a lost town, not some vital centerpiece for scumhunting. I hope you can understand that.


In this image: Blazinghand and Nemesis.

1) the idea that the town should take a stance is not good. Individually, we should make our own stances and developed them with the discussion

On March 27 2012 13:21 slOosh wrote:


Are you calling C_C scum here?

On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Alright boys, lets do this.


Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps?

On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.

Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz

On March 28 2012 12:56 Blazinghand wrote:


If you don't think VE is scum, I wouldn't mind help with a JW wagon. That being said, of the three of you who I suspect as scum, VE is by far the most dangerous, as a town leader and as a terrorist. JW is fairly benign, as he himself notes-- he's bad at making arguments and pushing wagons. I'd be comfortable with lynching him, but if VE is scum we really should try to get him D1.

I'd really prefer a VE lynch though. I'm going to see if I can drum up support and convince the others that we need to take him down. If that fails, then a JW lynch is on the table, and so is letting your wagon roll across the line.

@Everyone: This is one of those times where I agree with C_C.
Doesn't it seem suspicious that nobody is suspicious of Blue and they defend him? A LOT of people are resisting the Blue lynch, don't you think that if he was townie some scum would jump on his bandwagon?

On March 27 2012 11:34 Sinensis wrote:
gonzaw when you do line breaks, only use one of them please.

Like that. Also I agree that NO ONE should claim Nationality for any reason, as that information can only hurt us.

On March 27 2012 11:48 Sinensis wrote:
Also, I work every day from at least 5pm to 10pm EST. I will post very consistently after work near 10pm.

So VisceraEyes, "what's" "with" "all" "these" "quotation" "marks" you use whenever you talk about "liars" or "scum" or "bad play"?

Several Examples
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 27 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote:
Also, there's only been one topic. It's topic. Not "topics [sic]." VisceraEyes using quotes. You weren't even part of that conversation.

On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer ><

Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home.

P.S Also hope to see more people post!

On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: Blazinghand

Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over.

Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either.

On March 27 2012 14:44 Sinensis wrote:


I think he is being aggressive and unreasonable. Johhny wasn't wrong about anything he said about Blazinghand as far as I'm concerned. I don't think Blazinghand's vote possesses any substance. I think he is just trying to see who goes after him, and to what end they will continue to go after him. As of now I will be watch his vote the closest toward the vote deadline.

On March 28 2012 14:39 Sinensis wrote:
I don't find froggynoddy to be a priority. Neutral at the moment. He's picking easy targets, but I haven't seen a lot of effort so that seems right.

On March 29 2012 13:45 Sinensis wrote:
Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway.

On March 30 2012 08:29 Bluelightz wrote:
Actually I take back my previous statement. Anyway, heres why ccalf is scummy

~Pushing case agaisnt town
~Lurking most of day 1
~No substance at all

On March 30 2012 08:22 Sinensis wrote:


"Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy."

You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places.

On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:
Back from work.



So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality.

Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi.

##vote: Cyber_Cheese

On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.

You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry.

On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.

But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching.

On March 30 2012 10:48 Sinensis wrote:


You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me?

On March 31 2012 07:20 EchelonTee wrote:
Discussion is really, really dead... scum would probably only be ok with this if we were going in a nubular direction.

sloosh, nemesis, would you be willing to lynch cccalf? people are saying "let someone vig him", which implies there is a consensus that he is scum, but the only person attempting a push is Bluelightz. and what if there isn't a vig T_T

On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote:
FoS: Sentinel
FoS: prplhz
FoS: Bluelightz

For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.

I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis.

Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me.

TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor.

That is all for now.

On March 31 2012 13:44 Sinensis wrote:




Look. There are 7 votes for zentor. So unless me and/or Bluelightz are scum, which for the sake of this argument we are not, then there are three scum voting for MrZentor right now.

Would mafia vote for mafia?

On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: Blazinghand

Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over.

Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either.

On March 30 2012 08:22 Sinensis wrote:


"Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy."

You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places.

On March 30 2012 10:57 Sinensis wrote:


Wouldn't presenting your entire campaign on how I'm scum BEFORE people comment make more sense? I guess your campaign could turn out to be stupid and you want to judge initial reactions before you commit to embarrassment?

On March 30 2012 11:06 Sinensis wrote:


OKAY SO I BOLDED YOUR NEW REASON WHY I'M SCUM and maybe a pattern is starting to emerge?

Anyway the bolded part isn't true I have shared every read I have had this game, and I would be scum hunting but the person I am suspicious of hasn't responded yet so in the mean time... there is this.

On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote:


It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.

On March 30 2012 08:02 Sinensis wrote:
cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity.

If you have more specific questions for me, please ask them.

On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote:


It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.

On April 04 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote:
Can someone explain to me how soft-claiming your nationality is fishing? Yeah it makes it easier for scum to reach their alternate win condition but how does it make sense as scum? I mean people aren't going to straight up claim their nationality just because you do?

I didn't understand that part of the case and it seemed to be what got everyone off side with C_C. I had the impression he was playing "badly" so as to survive the night. He is a relative veteran in this game and so for day 1 it wasn't a terrible strategy. Of course VE went full throttle and that sealed the deal.

Were there four blues in this game? If so that gives scum a 40% chance of nuke success night 1. Pretty high if you ask me.