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1) Their reasons for voting C_C day 1. Please, next to everyone sheeped VE. It doesnt matter that a few of them included some extra points onto their thoughts onto C_C, you cant tell wether they are misguided townie or mafia jumping on a wagon, not at this point at least. 2) Their reactions to his "scum claim". You claim scum and expect people to not vote you? Town will think you are scum and thus vote for your scummy ass to be lynched, and mafia will just jump on it. 3) Some other extra points, most of which I feel are really weak too. Honestly what you gave is more of a running commentary of each player's actions, and a one-liner coupled with a percentage. The conclusions you provide are weak and nearly non-exsistent. And is nemesis your strongest scum read? Really? Basically you think that him not wanting to take a stance on cc is "interesting", finds your meta off and wants to vote for you, and supposedly tries to make excuses for why mafia is supposedly on you when bussing is a perfectly valid tool that scum could utilize. This is not going to cut it. | ||
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On April 01 2012 01:57 MrZentor wrote: 1. We still have plenty of time left, and I would rather have less time with more information than more time with less information. 2. I think it's pretty obvious that I was acting for several reasons. a. I put in beforehand that I was going to act. b. I have never acted anywhere like that before. c. I refuse to believe anybody would be that idiotic. 3. Now that we have more information, we'll make sure it's a wagon that is more likely to lynch scum. To be honest, I don't see how anybody could actually think I wasn't acting given above, so I would be also frustrated to be lynched. Do you really think scum would be that bad and also have put something in beforehand to show that it's an act? 1) This is your point of view, we dont know wether your scum trying something really dumb or just a bad plan. I honestly dont see much information this excersie gave either way other than putting town on the (if your town) wrong track. 2) Scum could easily attempt some sort of bad plans, and resort to the typical "you rly think scum would be that dumb?" defense. 3) All I can see is a dumb, uneccessary mislynch if your town. | ||
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On April 01 2012 01:33 johnnywup wrote: great post zentor  glad to see you contributing. could you explain why you:switched from gonzaw being obvious scum to him being only 42% scum? kept calling people idiots (were mr sinister)? nemesis, we pretty much are at mylo. 7 town vs 4 mafia, if we lynch a townie it'll be 5 town vs 4 mafia on d3 and that's unwinnable with anything short of a miracle will look into your nemesis vote and see what i think of him 1) MYLO means mislynch or lose. Yes, we are probably going to lose if today ends up with another mislynch bar some luck and great scumhunting on our part, but what MYLO means is the game ending immediately in a scum victory if a mislynch occurs. 2) So what do you think of nemesis now? | ||
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And for gods sake 5 hours isnt "plenty of time". | ||
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AND I SERIOUSLY STILL DONT SEE HOW MAKING A TOWN ALIGNED BANDWAGON WITHOUT YOU ACTUALLY FLIPPING IS GOING TO HELP US | ||
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On April 01 2012 02:26 zelblade wrote: Yes, quotes do make a case. But they are only a small part, the edvidence. What really matters is how you use these pieces of edvidence, detaling your thought processes on why these pieces of evidence show scummy behaviour. Your cases are basically 90% evidence, and 10% thoughts. Quotes are useless when you dont use them to push your views on why things are scummy. AND I SERIOUSLY STILL DONT SEE HOW MAKING A TOWN ALIGNED BANDWAGON WITHOUT YOU ACTUALLY FLIPPING IS GOING TO HELP US EBWOP: When I say town aligned bandwagon I mean wagon on a townie in case that wasnt clear. Excuse my poor english thanks. | ||
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I need to go sleep now, and will just leave my vote on zentor for obvious reasons. I highly doubt that I will be here for the deadline unless I randomly wake up at 6 or something. Night. | ||
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1) I dont think he will have the balls to do that as scum. 2) Zentor was playing (really) bad. 3) SU doctor happened to be the most convenient fake claim since it was a "confirmed" role. | ||
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I'll be looking into bluelightz more when I feel some motivation (probably tonight) | ||
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If they do though tomorrow definately claim, I dont care if you think you can push the targert without revealing, looking at the state of town right now I highly doubt you are going to convice 5/5 townies to follow you. | ||
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So johnny, who do you want to lynch tomorrow? I need to head out now, will take a closer look later | ||
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I generally agree with most of the points brought up in the case presented by sloosh. What I dont like particarly about him is his fixation on cccalf. He tunnels him all of day two, and constantly tries to push foward a cccalf lynch. What this has allowed him to do is to easily coast by, providing the barest of reads. Notice he doesnt actually hard push any of these, or do any actual analysis besides "oh they didnt attack cccalf" and "he sheeped me hes scum!". The only other things he has done besides hard push cccalf, dump some suspision here and there, is "defend" himself against nemesis, omgus a little against blzinghand, and goes off into retarded and useless discussion on how mafia managed to snipe blzing. Another thing is of course him "giving up". I dont buy it. If you are town you would still feel a sense of attachment to town, and would at the very least play it through. Look at what sloosh did even after leading a disatrious mislynch, getting heavily demotivated. Instead of "giving up", having a defeatist attitude, he quickly stands back up and pushes off his reads. Whilst I understand that not everyone might be that optimistic, his complete lack of care about the state of the game is horrendous. He KNOWS we arent going to lynch DYH today, and he is fine having to "die trying". Why? Because the game is pretty much won for him, because he knows he doesnt matter, because hes mafia. ##vote: Sinesis | ||
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Vote for sinesis please. | ||
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On April 02 2012 21:01 froggynoddy wrote: This logic is bad. We simply don't KNOW about 3C/DYH, whilst we DO have information on other players which makes them better lynch targets than DYH. That does not mean DYH isn't scum, just less likely to be with the information we have at this time. It could be just very clever scum play to tunnel an inactive scum player (WIFOM), though to me it still seems more likely that he's just picking the easiest alternative. Yes it could be a clever scum play, but I highly doubt it. There was no reason to create a secondary wagon on a scumbuddy during day 2 when there was a perfectly fine lynch (for mafia at least) in zentor. I believe the reason why cccalf was pushed day 2 by who I believe to be scum is simply because it would have given them easy cred as well as setting up for an easy day 3 mislynch in cccalf and thus the game, although this probably failed due to what zentor did. As such, based on how day 2 played out, I highly doubt that cccalf is scum, assuming sin does flip scum of course. | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:16 Bluelightz wrote: ##Vote: Sinensis I am voting sinensis for the plethora of reasons(not taking stances voting for the easiest targets, etc) I will try and be more active when I can but my wifi didn't get fixed :/ Assuming sin does flip scum today and the game goes on to tomorrow, who would be your no.1 lynch targert? | ||
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