This is probably the most diplomatic, fence sitting postion I have read in a game of mafia. Note the use of the word "about" and "typically". The fact is Jackal's play didn't change since this post and the only that did cahnge was four other people voted for him. What does this even say? Is Jackal town or scum?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

March 22 2012 01:20 GMT

#782

What are you trying to argue prob?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

March 22 2012 01:21 GMT

#783

Wrong again - no others had voted for him at this time.

And I read it as "I have a hard time reading Jackal, but we think he looks scummy"...obviously your mileage may vary.

Although I will say this: TIPD was going to go through meta on Jackal to make an educated guess, but we never found out if they actually did do that and what they found. This was the only clue one way or the other.

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

March 22 2012 01:24 GMT

#784

Ok Probulous, I don't like your case. First of all the contradictory statement about the cops was a bit silly.
Then, the meat of the rest of it is his defending of Jackal, but didn't you JUST say this?

On March 22 2012 07:58 Probulous wrote:
Defending scum does not make you scum. It makes you more suspicious especially if you don't vote for them. Your actions make you town in my eyes.

Why does this not apply to TIPD? He defended Jackal, which is a large part of your case, then he voted for him. Is it not his actions that make him town?

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

March 22 2012 01:25 GMT

#785

ebwop According to you*

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

March 22 2012 01:26 GMT

#786

I would like to contribute that I read it like Probulous did:

That TIPD did not want to give the impression that Jackal could be scum.

Especially by referencing Wiggles mini where he was town and did a similar lurking day 1. If it wasn't for his miraculous 3 minute reading of my filter before hopping on my wagon which sandroba pointed out, I probably would not have voted for him yesterday.

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

March 22 2012 01:29 GMT

#787

xsksc, I feel like you are taking quotes out of context which is not helping contribute to the argument.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

March 22 2012 01:30 GMT

#788

Ok let me explain that quote nice and simply because obviously I am not making myself clear.

here (Klicky) they say this

On March 20 2012 04:08 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
We both think Jackal looks about as scummy as he typically does

Which says what exactly? That Jackal typically looks scummy? How is that not a soft-defense? They are saying he looks scummy most of the time. His lurking is "typically" scummy so why should they vote for him.

If they thought he was scummy they would have said "Jackal looks scummy", not that he typically looks scummy. That word changes the whole meaning of the sentence.

Then four people vote for him and suddenly it becomes this (Klicky)

On March 20 2012 06:12 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
Our reasons:
He posts a little at the start but then
He does very little to move discussion forward or even participate in it
The closest thing to analysis he produced was this and he follows it with a vote after VE prods him.
he pops back in to sheep the case on snarf with a vote, minutes after it was posted.
This indicates to me that he is not looking for scum but rather a place to put his vote.

Which can be summed up as "Jackal has been useless". How is this not his "typically" scummy play? I'll tell you how, four other people have started a wagon that's how.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

March 22 2012 01:32 GMT

#789

On March 22 2012 10:24 xsksc wrote:
Ok Probulous, I don't like your case. First of all the contradictory statement about the cops was a bit silly.
Then, the meat of the rest of it is his defending of Jackal, but didn't you JUST say this?

Show nested quote +

Why does this not apply to TIPD? He defended Jackal, which is a large part of your case, then he voted for him. Is it not his actions that make him town?

Did you not read my response to VE. There is a big difference between "Jackal is town" and "Jackal is typically scummy". One makes your position very very very clear and hard to argue against, the other has a fence up your ass.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

March 22 2012 01:32 GMT

#790

But no one had Probulous! That's what I just said! No one was on the Jackal wagon at this point, everyone who mattered was on Snarfs!

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

March 22 2012 01:32 GMT

#791

On March 22 2012 10:29 Snarfs wrote:
xsksc, I feel like you are taking quotes out of context which is not helping contribute to the argument.

I am? I thought he just argued that he had a town read on VE because he voted for Jackal, and that it didn't matter that VE had defended Jackal.

Now his arguement on TIPD being scum...totally contradicts that, do you not see?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 22 2012 01:33 GMT

#792

I'm a bit unsure about who to vote for right now honestly. I'll be rereading the thread and see what conclusion I can reach.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

March 22 2012 01:34 GMT

#793

On March 22 2012 10:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
But no one had Probulous! That's what I just said! No one was on the Jackal wagon at this point, everyone who mattered was on Snarfs!

Vote count says different unless I am reading it wrong. I will check manually

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

March 22 2012 01:35 GMT

#794

Fuck this, I'm bustin out the Sandroba call. We need opinions in here, and Sandroba is around.

Sandrobaaaaaaaaa!!!

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

March 22 2012 01:46 GMT

#795

Vote count:

sandroba (Klicky)

On March 20 2012 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Alright I read through everyone's filter quite some times and I think we should indeed lynch Jackal. If anyone opposes please tell me why.
He said previously he didn't have any opinion on snarfs when talking to VE, but he took 3 min to filter him this game, look at the filter I posted from the previous game, compare, think about it and come to the conclusion he is scum. I don't believe that is possible.
##Unvote
##Vote Jackal58

Then

Johnnywup (Klicky)
Dirkzor (Klicky)
xksc (Klicky)

Then comes TIPD's vote (Klicky)

Then comes the explanantion (Klicky)

So no, there were already votes on Jackal and you are severely misrepresenting the facts.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

March 22 2012 01:49 GMT

#796

I misunderstood what you were saying - I thought you were saying that his "fence-sitting read" of Jackal was after the bandwagon votes were on him, not the explanation. My bad.