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You had me at "Aperture"
/in
I'll try one of these bigger games to see how I fare, playing too many newbie games in a row gets a little boring
Every player has their own unique kill flavor.
You mean every player? Even those whose roles can't kill anyone? (for instance a VT)
Or are you saying that some items may give their bearer the ability to kill?
Also, let's hope I get to be Cave Johnson
That way I can kill mafia....WITH COMBUSTIBLE LEMONS!
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On March 10 2012 07:17 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 06:46 gonzaw wrote:Every player has their own unique kill flavor. You mean every player? Even those whose roles can't kill anyone? (for instance a VT)Or are you saying that some items may give their bearer the ability to kill? You should ask Black Mesa, I think they have that file.
Ehmm, after a little "incident" with Breen's niece, they don't let me in there anymore
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On March 17 2012 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, guys...I have a favor to ask.
The running theme in TL towns these days is people joining a game and then fucking off until they're killed. This game is about collecting, analyzing and acting upon information contained in this thread...and it's likely to get very big very very fast.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be prepared to read the thread...over and over again...I don't know what you've been told, but that's what this game is about. Not randomly lynching people because they made one post you didn't like.
I'm going to be trying very very hard not to lose my shit this game as I tend to do...but it's going to be made so much harder if I notice people in the game who aren't playing. Come on guy! Play with me!
I'd like it if some of you guys didn't spam that much either (whether I'm scum or town this time).
Some of the previous games were almost impossible to read, like AC for instance.
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The gonzaw player is the most intelligent player. The gonzaw player is never wrong.
Statistically, mafia win 64.37% of their games. The Serial Killer was a role created by egyptian townies to justify murdering each other at night. Back in 2010, Medic roles used to have a hidden feature, where they could choose to kill the host and save the Town Idiot. Fact: Lemons contain traces of potassium sulfate.
Well okay, let's get started!
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I guess the derp and confusion has already started though >_>
Drazerk, even if you chose to shoot VE because he was "strong", why didn't you wait until the middle of the day to see what information he would spit before dying? He also could have made you change your mind about his alignment (if he was town), so why didn't you consider that possibility?
Also people, remember this:
Also among you are some villains from your past I found through the rift.
Sleeper Cell 2 was the "prequel" to this game (that game had references to Aperture Mafia in their Day/Night posts), so it's not bad to assume both that game and this one belong to the same "universe".
So the sleeper agents might as well be the scum team as well, they are not "confirmed 3rd party".
Also I wonder if the other "villains from your past" could mean scum/3rd party teams from other games.
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On March 17 2012 08:50 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:43 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 17 2012 08:41 Adam4167 wrote:On March 17 2012 08:33 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote: Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger,(VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!
did you notice the (OP:unique) kill flavour? consumed by shadow and flame. I can't help but notice how this might indicate being a shadowsinger.... I don't think someone in a sleeper cell situation would be so casual with a day-vig shot... knowing his 3 other teammates were out there somewhere and run the risk of killing one... for what? to off a possible townie? Well, this action makes no sense from any side to me. He claims for the items... I really cant see a sleeper taking that shot in the first half-hour of the game. There's a small chance it could be a mafia ploy to get Drazerk into the spotlight or 'confirmed'. Far and away the most likely solution to me is that hes a trigger-happy townie who just struck gold.
If the scum team is in fact the Sleeper agent, then they can't communicate with each other, so how can they plan this "ploy" you are speaking off?
If Drazerk was SA, he didn't know VE was SA as well, so he didn't know he could make this ploy. Maybe he would have hit a townie, and his whole plan would go down the drain.
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So... will there be "villains from our past" from Election Mafia as well?
If someone is elected on Day 1 to be Wheatly, could he get elected in subsuquent days, if there were more elections on next days?
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On March 17 2012 09:12 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:55 gonzaw wrote: If the scum team is in fact the Sleeper agent, then they can't communicate with each other, so how can they plan this "ploy" you are speaking off?
If Drazerk was SA, he didn't know VE was SA as well, so he didn't know he could make this ploy. Maybe he would have hit a townie, and his whole plan would go down the drain. I assume there is also a 'standard' scum family out there, due to VE flipping black instead of red. Having just 4 sleeper agents in a 31 person game seems pretty ridiculous to me... but we'll see.
The point is that Drazerk being Sleeper Agent, and planning shooting VE as a "ploy" doesn't make sense.
He could still be from another scum faction, but in that case I don't think he would know VE was a sleeper agent (unless scum have a Day-DT as well, and got lucky).
Okay, there have been only 6-7 people actively posting in this thread, and only 9-10 posted at all. The remaining 21-22 players need to post.
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On March 17 2012 09:25 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 09:20 gonzaw wrote:On March 17 2012 09:12 Adam4167 wrote:On March 17 2012 08:55 gonzaw wrote: If the scum team is in fact the Sleeper agent, then they can't communicate with each other, so how can they plan this "ploy" you are speaking off?
If Drazerk was SA, he didn't know VE was SA as well, so he didn't know he could make this ploy. Maybe he would have hit a townie, and his whole plan would go down the drain. I assume there is also a 'standard' scum family out there, due to VE flipping black instead of red. Having just 4 sleeper agents in a 31 person game seems pretty ridiculous to me... but we'll see. The point is that Drazerk being Sleeper Agent, and planning shooting VE as a "ploy" doesn't make sense. He could still be from another scum faction, but in that case I don't think he would know VE was a sleeper agent (unless scum have a Day-DT as well, and got lucky). Okay, there have been only 6-7 people actively posting in this thread, and only 9-10 posted at all. The remaining 21-22 players need to post. I think you have missed my point. Regardless, its not worth dwelling on.
Meh you are right, it's not that important.
I'll just lay it all here though, so we can get past this "Who are scum? Was VE scum or 3rd party? Etc":
-VE's win condition is that of mafia, "Your win condition is for the Cell to outnumber the remaining players in the game". Since the other normal/known 3rd party faction to have a similar win condition are the Cultists, and seeing as his role, nor SA roles from previous games convert people to their faction, then we could just safely assume they are not 3rd party, and are in fact a scum faction. The fact that the Day 1 post says there will be "villains from your past", and that we have to "kill them all"; and the fact that the Sleeper Agents were the "villains" from Sleeper Cell 2, which is in the same universe this game is set in, makes it VERY likely they are a scum team. -There are 3 more players belonging to this scum faction -It's likely there is another scum faction as well, meaning another "villain from the past"
Also, I'd want to get elected as well. I doubt the Wheatly role will be some kind of Mole that becomes scum later on, it doesn't make sense from a balance point of view to punish town if they ever get a strong townie in said position to just make him scum/3rd party/etc later on.
Also I'm town and I don't want scum to get any abilities from it (I know you guys don't know my alignement, but well that's my incentive for it).
If the special ability is a vig shot, medic save, DT check, being bulletproof etc or a normal ability, I'd probably claim said ability. If it's an ability that would give scum too much info if revealed, then probably not.
I won't lie now though, if I get elected, and the ability is interesting enough, I may lie about it if I'm pressured to confuse scum.
However, this is just making another blue role, this "mayor" doesn't elect lynches, doesn't get any bodyguards. Apart from the "Special Ability" he's useless, so I don't think it would be too smart to dwell on who's elected, other than "He has an ability".
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On March 17 2012 10:01 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 09:57 gonzaw wrote: I won't lie now though, if I get elected, and the ability is interesting enough, I may lie about it if I'm pressured to confuse scum.
This by itself means I will simply refuse to ever vote you in as Wheatley. Nonaccountability isn't a good idea.
And why do you think it's not a good idea? What if the ability would give scum an advantage if revealed to the thread?
For instance:
Imagine the ability is just a DT check. Perhaps you'll be RBed from now till the end of the game if you state so. However, if you don't say anything, or you say "it made me bulletproof", it may confuse scum to not RB or hit you.
Same the other way round, you claim you got a DT ability, but you were in fact bulletproof to attract RBs and hits.
Not taking into account more complex abilities, that could be game changing if scum knew nothing about them.
I will be honest, if that was the case I'd probably lie about it if I was pressured to state it, or I would basicly not tell it to the thread at all. And I believe you (if you are town) may do the same thing, even though you are asking for "accountability". If you are scum, you can just reveal a fake ability to town to confuse us as well.
Either way, I think the Wheatly role will be ignored throughout the game, just like those "Special Abilities" from Election Mafia were.
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On March 17 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Anybody who thinks seriously about electing Gonzaw should take some time to seriously consider what they're doing with their lives.
Velinath is better then? Is it because of the "accountability" thing? What are the reasons I wouldn't be a good candidate?
Remember, you are just electing an ability; not a mayor; not a player with protection, just an ability.
If you don't think I'm scum, what on earth would make me a bad candidate? If you do think I'm scum, or you have doubts about my alignment, then state your reasons for believing so.
On March 17 2012 10:08 Bluelightz wrote: For the elections, I vote Mr.Wiggles to be Wheatley position, Mr.Wiggles is lookking fairly town and has put effort into his posts.
##Elect: Mr.Wiggles
Why is he looking fairly town?
He has 3 posts with almost no interesting content at all. Are you able to read Wiggles that well? If so, can you prove that?
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On March 17 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote:@gonzaw Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though I question why you'd choose to shoot less than an hour into day 1, we just got a bunch of information from that lynch. We now know there's three sleeper cell members, so that's a modconfirmed scum number we can work with.
So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting. Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people.
Ehmm, don't see how asking that questions makes it feel he's not coordinated with other people. Seems like a question that's totally unrelated to his alignment. Apart from that I don't see how you can think he's town.
Also, where is Paperscraps? He just disappeared shortly after VE's death. Could be a time-zone thing, but either way I want to know why he was convinced VE was 3rd party, and why he suddenly went AFK when he was "Excited to get started".
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EBWOP:
Well shit, forgot to vote for myself.
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Right, first things first:
I believe Drazerk is town. Mostly because of this:
-His shot right at the start of the day. I doubt a scum would do that, it would put TREMENDOUS pressure on him right off the bat -His whole "I know Veli is town, because of bla bla bla", and not have Veli state otherwise, which means it's likely they are both town or they are both scum. I'd want Velinath to confirm that Drazerk isn't speaking bullshit though. -Using an item on Wiggles. If he tells the truth, then I doubt scum would throw away an item like that, they would probably keep it, at least for some more time. -He seems to have a lot of activity by this point, and considering 20 or so players are all inactive, I don't see why he would need to do so if he were scum (it would be easier for him to just lurk a little bit).
Considering that, if Drazerk is 100% convinced Velinath is town, then I would prefer Velinath to be elected Wheatly rather than anybody else.
However, I would want more participation from Velinath to decide.
As for suspicions, I already stated why I'm irky towards Paperscraps, but I want to hear more from him.
I'm suspicious of Wiggles, mostly because he was not inactive, but didn't contribute anything to the discussion, and had plenty of opportunities to post more than what he did, and post more content than what he did.
I get a bad feeling out of Blazinghand, specially with his cockyness.
On March 17 2012 10:08 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Why should we trust you? What reasons do you possibly have? My thoughts on you are "dayvig with poor trigger discipline" but I don't see how that qualifies you to make some sort of decision like this. Simply asking for people's trust without anything to back it up is completely meaningless, it doesn't add anything to your vote. ##Elect: blzinghandIf elected, I will lower taxes, raise spending, and balance the budget.
On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. ...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here. Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case.
Do you think Drazerk is town or scum? What do you mean by "you can play better than this"? Are you assuming he's town? If so, why wouldn't you trust him on something that happens to be based on his role or actions with his items?
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EBWOP:
On March 17 2012 11:07 Kenpachi wrote: OK IVE BEEN INFORMED. We must gain majority on Voting GLaDOS in this thread instead of the Voting Thread (player will still die) SO DONT BE DERP LIKE ME
I won't do anything until you tell us what exact superpowers you receive, or give us more info about this GLaDOS thing.
Is GLaDOS an actual player from us? Like an actual role? Scum role perhaps?
Does this kill that player? Or does it trigger another thing?
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@Grackaroni
So why do you think I even have an item?
Also people, what do you guys think about Blazinghand, Wiggles and Drazerk?
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On March 17 2012 11:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 11:14 gonzaw wrote: @Grackaroni
So why do you think I even have an item?
No role related reason. Just a random thought.
Ehmm, that's not ramdom at all.
If it was indeed a random thought, what was the purpose of posting it?
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On March 17 2012 14:38 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:35 sinani206 wrote: Also, I want to give Wheatley to Drazerk, as he is pretty much confirmed town.
What's your reasoning here? A random before-any-posting dayvig shot doesn't really mean a lot - with a game with as many unique rules (and factions!) as this one, I don't see how we can confirm anyone town this early.
Cool, do you have anything to say regarding Drazerk's comments?
Here:
On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath
On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him.
On March 17 2012 10:19 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. ...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here. Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case. I know he is the same as me or a DT. Either way I am certain he is not scum and so gets my vote and I want you to vote for him.
No, don't tell me if you are Day-DT and checked him or not, I don't care. Just tell me if he's bullshitting or not, or if you have no idea what he's talking about.
Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand? And what do you think about Midnight?
Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed
@Grack: Do you really need lemons? Do they have something to do with your role, or are you just having some fun?
On March 17 2012 15:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:57 sinani206 wrote:On March 17 2012 14:39 Zephirdd wrote:On March 17 2012 14:35 sinani206 wrote: Nice shot, Drazerk.
On to business. I move we wait on the Kenpachi thing until we see if anyone else relates to the whole GLaDOS thing. I would be willing to do what Kenpachi says if we can get some more information. Also, I want to give Wheatley to Drazerk, as he is pretty much confirmed town. (BTW mods, it's spelled Wheatley) And Zephirdd is looking pretty scummy right now.
>agrees with my train of thought and then calls me scum >wants to leave the "mayor" role to the one person that said he didnt want it; plus the one person that did a very very questionable move shooting someone 1 hour into the day(even though he gave decent reasoning) You're fine sinani. OK first of all you're scum. Second of all, you're contradicting yourself by saying that he gave decent reasoning. It was a good shot and he almost definitely wouldn't have shot that early as scum and then claimed. He claimed after the flip, and not before. He didn't say, "I'm shooting VE", and then shot VE. Instead, he shot VE, then claimed after the flip. That is, he claimed only after we knew he killed an anti-town player. If he's scum and VE flipped town, there's no way he'd have claimed. If he's town, maybe, maybe not. Either way, he claimed after the flip, and that makes the fact of claiming the shot a null tell. To call him confirmed town for claiming is either jumping to conclusions, or trying to push a scumbuddy's status.
So what do you think about the other things Drazerk did? For instance his "Don't vote me" thing, or the "I know Vel is town" statement, or him giving you an item?
Also, Wiggles, anything else to contribute?
@Kenpachi: Please stop spamming
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On March 17 2012 15:18 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote: Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand? And what do you think about Midnight?
Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed
I have to reread midnight as he didn't stand out that well in my mind. Blazinghand I think is town.
Kay. You know, I expect people to state their reasons whenever they say "I think X is town/scum", that way we don't waste thread space by asking you for them.
Either way, why do you think BH is town?
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Mmm, Just one more thing I noticed from the OP:
This is a Closed setup :D However there will be full role reveal upon death, so at least that’s something.
It says it reveals the role, but doesn't say it reveals the alignment. So VE could have been RED, but his alignment didn't flip. I guess we can only confirm this with the next flips though.
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On March 17 2012 15:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote:On March 17 2012 14:38 Velinath wrote:On March 17 2012 14:35 sinani206 wrote: Also, I want to give Wheatley to Drazerk, as he is pretty much confirmed town.
What's your reasoning here? A random before-any-posting dayvig shot doesn't really mean a lot - with a game with as many unique rules (and factions!) as this one, I don't see how we can confirm anyone town this early. Cool, do you have anything to say regarding Drazerk's comments? Here: On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. On March 17 2012 10:19 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. ...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here. Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case. I know he is the same as me or a DT. Either way I am certain he is not scum and so gets my vote and I want you to vote for him. No, don't tell me if you are Day-DT and checked him or not, I don't care. Just tell me if he's bullshitting or not, or if you have no idea what he's talking about. Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand? And what do you think about Midnight? Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed @Grack: Do you really need lemons? Do they have something to do with your role, or are you just having some fun? On March 17 2012 15:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2012 14:57 sinani206 wrote:On March 17 2012 14:39 Zephirdd wrote:On March 17 2012 14:35 sinani206 wrote: Nice shot, Drazerk.
On to business. I move we wait on the Kenpachi thing until we see if anyone else relates to the whole GLaDOS thing. I would be willing to do what Kenpachi says if we can get some more information. Also, I want to give Wheatley to Drazerk, as he is pretty much confirmed town. (BTW mods, it's spelled Wheatley) And Zephirdd is looking pretty scummy right now.
>agrees with my train of thought and then calls me scum >wants to leave the "mayor" role to the one person that said he didnt want it; plus the one person that did a very very questionable move shooting someone 1 hour into the day(even though he gave decent reasoning) You're fine sinani. OK first of all you're scum. Second of all, you're contradicting yourself by saying that he gave decent reasoning. It was a good shot and he almost definitely wouldn't have shot that early as scum and then claimed. He claimed after the flip, and not before. He didn't say, "I'm shooting VE", and then shot VE. Instead, he shot VE, then claimed after the flip. That is, he claimed only after we knew he killed an anti-town player. If he's scum and VE flipped town, there's no way he'd have claimed. If he's town, maybe, maybe not. Either way, he claimed after the flip, and that makes the fact of claiming the shot a null tell. To call him confirmed town for claiming is either jumping to conclusions, or trying to push a scumbuddy's status. So what do you think about the other things Drazerk did? For instance his "Don't vote me" thing, or the "I know Vel is town" statement, or him giving you an item? Also, Wiggles, anything else to contribute? @Kenpachi: Please stop spamming All of his actions are riding off of cryptic hints about his role, and that instantly makes me distrust it, same as for Kenpachi's claim. He only says to vote for him, or it might hurt the town. Then he says I'm not the same as him, but this other guy is the same as him or a DT, but we don't even know what he is, or what it means to be the same as him. Voting for the person he wants, only works if you actually believe everything he's saying for sure, and completely trust him. I don't, so I'm going to make my own read and vote for a person I think is town, and who I think is capable enough to use a power role without blowing up the town. I haven't received any notifications about him giving me an item. Can you link where he said that?
On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:21 Bluelightz wrote: My eyes O_O, I think that Wiggles is town and trustable for the elections, vote for the wiggul cause! Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons 1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back 2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument
In fact, he used an item on you, not gave you one. I thought you would get notified of it as well though
So, do you think Drazerk could have pulled all those "cryptic hints" as scum? Do you think he could have faked them?
On March 17 2012 15:31 Kenpachi wrote: ^ you're dumb. he flipped as a member of the Sleeper Cell. We can imply that hes part of the 3rd party because Sleeper Cell is a concept unfitting for a standard Mafia.
Is this game "standard Mafia"?
If you can tell me how a party whose win condition is "You have to outnumber the remaining players", that's not Cultst, is 3rd party; then I'm all ears.
Also, to Kenpachi/Drazerk:
If you are town, and have some cryptic/hidden thing about your role, then it will be best if you don't even mention it, since it will cause more confusion. So either fully expand on it, giving us all the info; or just don't say anything, unless there's a (good) plan behind it.
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On March 17 2012 15:45 Blazinghand wrote: If Drazerk is town, that post will encourage him to play better. If he is scum, it puts pressure on him to be more helpful, which he does not want to do. This sort of post is the kind of thing I, and many players, use against someone who is suspicious but on whom we are unsure. By encouraging Drazerk to make a legitimate case for Veli, I caused him to make more definitive statements. Unfortunately, Drazerk is terrible and has... soft claimed... some kind of... Day alignment/role DT / Vigi or something. But yeah this should have been fairly obvious.
Didn't sound like it from the way you worded it though. "Pleading" someone to step up their game doens't seem like an efficient way of pressuring him, but well, you have your methods.
Now I guess the question is, where do you, gonzaw, stand on me? I see a lot of questions, and no statements.
After Lanaia pointed it out, I checked Resistance 2 again, and your attitude this game is different from that one, so I'll let it pass. Your aggresive play just reminded me of the play of other veterans of TL in previous games as scum, but now that I see it it's just you being an asshole, which I guess is a townie trait.
You are null to me now, and I'd want you to make more contributions instead of being that overly-aggresive (which can work in the right situations), and paint people suspicious without directly stating so, like this:
Things Gonzaw has done: 1) Asked for reads 2) Been indirect about it 3) Not stated what he thinks
So, does that make me suspicious or just "not bright"? You should probably clarify things. Also I think you missed that post with my reads, go check it.
Maybe you don't like how I post. Maybe you can go sit on a carrot. If you think this isn't how a town player plays, well, sucks to be you I guess. If you really want to be helpful and want to interact me in this game, it doesn't matter whether or not my particular attitude is to your liking. I honestly don't care.
Did I hit a nerve?
Dude, I don't care. I just want to figure out if you are town or scum, and if you are town try to make you not clog shit up to make the thread easier to read.
@Kenpachi: Until someone comes out and gives us ANY info about what GLaDOS is in this game, I doubt anybody will follow that.
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On March 17 2012 15:56 GreYMisT wrote: Alignment is included in flip.
Nevermind.
Anyways, "scum" or "3rd party", we need to kill them, so it doesn't make any difference
On March 17 2012 16:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:58 gonzaw wrote: So, does that make me suspicious or just "not bright"? You should probably clarify things. Also I think you missed that post with my reads, go check it.
I'm gonna go with "not bright"
See? We are getting somewhere now.
Now that this misunderstanding is settled BH, let me do that "ask for reads" routine and.....ask for your reads:
What do you think about Wiggles? And what about Midnight? You probed him with a question, but never dwelled back on it, so I guess his answer satisfied you perhaps?
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I think this Drazerk thing is distracting us too much.
I'll just ask this to Drazerk, and hopefully nothing more so we can continue trying to hunt scum:
-Can you tell us your EXACT process of thought in every action you've taken? As in, what you were thinking when you shot VE, what you were thinking when you chose to elect Velinath, what you were thinking when you decided to post that you wanted items, etc. Explain those inconsistencies found in your posts -How exactly does your day-shot work? Will you let us control your shot on D2-D3 and so on? If your role can't do that, state the exact reasons for doing so, and state EVERY restriction your role has. -If you want to live, I suggest you let town control the use of your DT item -What item did you use on Wiggles? Explain that thoroughly, and explain your thought process as well (which relates to the 1st point). For instance, why did you choose to use it on Wiggles?
If you don't give us ALL the info we want, stop cloggin up the thread, stop confusing town, and let us control your shots/items, then you should die. If you DO everything of the above, I think we could give you the useless items (like those lemons people are talking about) every once in a while, like a treat.
You do know that if you don't do everything we tell you to, we lynch you right? You will have to hope scum kill Gandalf for you, and that you behave well enough to receive the useless items.
I agree with ghost here. We should look for a scum lynch right now, and only lynch Drazerk if that lynch won't be consolidated. I'd prefer a 3rd party (possibly scum) lynch rather than a NL or a last minute vote-switch towards a townie.
On March 17 2012 22:36 Jayjay54 wrote: Right now, I am not sure if gonzaw is just bad or actively uses wrong arguements to mislead town.
I doubt I can "mislead town" just by 1 post.
When I look at certain actions, I don't try to look them as "scummy" or "unreasonable". Those are traits of a bad townie as well, and I don't want lynching bad townies.
I thought Drazerk was a bad townie at first, because of all the crazy shit he did and how much attention he got. Therefore I didn't want the discussion to be about him. Although I know what some of you vets can do when you are scum/anti-town if you want to disrupt town, but I've seen A LOT of games where townies have done the exact same thing, even fake-claiming.
On March 18 2012 01:39 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, before I go I will place my lynch vote on sinani206!
First, he has been lurking.
Second, because that sinani looks very suspicous later on, it might distract us later in the game.
##Vote: sinani206
Wtf?
So what do you think about the posts sinani already made? Also Blue, can you tell me (and link me preferably) to any game you've been scum in the past?
Blue, I find you are not posting "town lists", or doing that general trolling of yours when you are town. I don't like your one-liners where you don't say anything, or you ask completely irrelevant stuff, like this:
On March 17 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:49 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys. i had an awesome day outside eating Korean BBQ and playing Billiard with my friends (birthday boy)
gonna go read the thread now.
btw im Kenpachi and im Townie Its tempting to believe this because Kenpachi does this every game :O, any thoughts?
On March 18 2012 01:47 Bluelightz wrote: I agree with you JJ, picking a person to be Wheatley is mind boggling =_=, Its tempting to say that its ability will help town but the possiblity of Wheatley turning bad x[, Or we could just have a vig shoot Wheatley if Wheatley will turn bad, Any opinions on my idea?
Bluelightz, can you please explain your behaviour?
@Paperscraps: I hope you come back before the day ends, now that Dirk posted. Why were you absent previously? You live in the States, so your time zone is not that different from mine. However perhaps you were indeed sleeping (for instance), and I'd like to know if that's true or not.
@Midnight: Who else do you think is scum? What do you think about Wiggles and Kenpachi?
@zelblade, Cwave, Dirk, Grack, JayJay, ghost, Hassy, Nisani, Maverick, Sburbbles: Do you have thoughts on other players that are not Drazerk? Scum reads?
@blub, Razorflash, Adam, Lanaia, Wiggles, Velinath: I expect more contributions from you as well, I want your thoughts on the Drazerk issue (post that only once, don't let the thread get misscarried), and your thoughts on who you think could be another scum.
@sinani: Why exactly do you think Zephird is scum? @Zephird: What do you think about other players other than Drazerk//sinani?
@Blazinghand: I want your reads as well, don't go lurking on me now.
@Velinath: Do you have any scum reads by now? Any other specific thoughts?
Kitaman, CC, vaderseven and Foolishness are completely AWOL. If they are town, we need their contributions as soon as possible.
Yeah, this "list" may seem useless, but I really want all these players answering these questions. I don't want anybody lurking, and want them answering these questions and I'll keep tabs of who does and who doesn't.
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On March 18 2012 03:17 Kenpachi wrote: kk. im going to hand you my item Drazerk, in return, you must vote GLaDOS everyday you are alive (in case we dont get majority day 1).
Great, I forgot about you.
Kenpachi, can you tell us ANYTHING that doens't have to do with GLaDOS?
Let's imagine you are a townie. You can still get people to vote GLaDOS on D2, D3, etc, right?
Right now you need to establish your innocence, so people may listen to you later and vote for GLaDOS on D2, D3, etc.
So what are your other reads? Do you think anybody else is scum?
On March 18 2012 03:17 sinani206 wrote: I don't anymore
Why did you think so initially, and why don't you think so now?
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On March 18 2012 03:20 Foolishness wrote: Drazerk is certainly playing the fool Do not elect him! That would be uncool, Velinath is a good choice and from it we will rejoice Cause Drazerk will use us like tools
##Elect: Velinath
Huh? Do you seriously think we should believe your post restriction is to post in verse? There's a guy from UG that did the exact same thing in an Insane Game. He was scum, but never posted anything of value because he "had" to write his posts as poems. As you can see, that was completely bullshit.
I expect great things from you, I know how "good" you are as town. If you fail to do so I'll held you accountable, and you are not doing a good job by now.
So either cut this verse crap, or go get a thesaurus and give more reasons and thoughts behind your posts.
On March 18 2012 03:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:26 MidnightGladius wrote: @gonzaw:
Kenpachi's also been scattering the town's concentration with his glados voting and the nonsensical party with blazinghand. I don't like that at all, but I take it that this is what he usually does, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't actually start contributing soon, or continues to attempt to derail, then that could quickly change.
Wiggles is making decent sense to me, but I wish he'd read a bit more carefully. He's already slipped up once in terms of comprehension (thinking Drazerk had given an item instead of using it). His latest analysis is solid. That wasn't me, that was Gonzaw. Ironic. Can someone explain to me why people want to vote in Velinath as Wheatley? He was the target initially proposed by Drazerk, and that's where the votes started, but I have no idea why they continued.
People are voting Velinath because there is no evidence that he is scum, at least taking into account his behaviour.
Wiggles, what are your thoughts on other people?
Also people, what are your thoughts on me? Do some of you think I'm scum, or just "not bright", or null perhaps?
@Drazerk:
Please answer my questions.
You are trying to survive right now by blackmailing town, instead of HELPING IT which was the reason you choose to claim. You know you will die eventually if you keep this up, right? You are playing against your win con (if you are in fact what you say you are). *sigh* You may as well be scum though.
Also, I find it weird that you could even CLAIM your role. Your role is similar to Batman's/Catwoman's one from AC, in the way that you "leave" the game after you kill a specific role. Those roles couldn't claim they were Bat/CW, so why can you?
Either way, I want discussions on other people as well (although this Day 1 isn't shaping up badly)
On March 18 2012 03:33 Jayjay54 wrote:This already contradicts itself. You say don't want discussion on Drazerk and then go on and make a huge paragraph with questions generating discussions. Your "this is why Drazerk is town" post was just so naive. Think a little. Finally you say, you'd rather lynch third or scum than town. Well guess what, Drazerk indicated quite clearly he is not town.
Other than that you just ask questions to EVERYONE. It's freaking day 1. You imagine everybody already has like 3 scum reads?
Can you fucking stop this "lol you are naive" "lol you are so bad" crap? You are just discrediting me, even though you don't think I'm scum.
No, I didn't want to "generate discussion", I just wanted: -Drazerk to answer those questions (just as I wanted every other player to answer the other questions) -People to just post their opinion on Drazerk, and nothing else.
I just don't want 3 or more pages wasted on spamming the thread about him like before. Let him answer the questions, and if he doesn't do it acceptable we kill him eventually.
I said why I asked EVERYONE those questions, I'm keeping tabs on who answers them and who doens't, so I keep tabs on who is lurking/inactive or not, and we get more info on the players that do indeed answer.
Tell me Jay, what are your thoughts on the remaining players? You are indeed tunneling Drazerk (with a good justification though), but you are not talking about other things.
This is Day 1, we need information from other people as well, and we need to prod them into posting them. Don't just say "Okay, Drazerk is scum, lynch him" and waste 24 hours doing nothing.
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On March 18 2012 03:55 Foolishness wrote: Though it may be strange how this appears, I think so far I have been quite clear. I speak my thoughts, don't be such a snot. I assure you that you have nothing to fear.
That doesn't mean you give any valid reasoning behind your "thoughts". You may "speak your thoughts"; but you won't make cases, you won't make analysis, etc.
Your only reason for voting Dirk was "He tries to blend in", nothing else. I can see what would make Dirk suspicious though, but you won't do shit by posting like you are. It also makes it easier for you to hide if you are scum.
I want you to give more reasoning behind your posts, not just "speak your thoughts".
Also another thing is that I get the feeling your post restriction is bullshit (I think the mods even acknowledged that by giving you points, I doubt they will give someone points for just following their post restriction, since the alternative is a modkill).
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On March 18 2012 04:19 Grackaroni wrote: You need to cut back on your posts Gonzaw. Asking the entire town by name for reads isn't helping anyone, focus on making your own reads. Foolishness has been clear and I think his posting is pretty awesome despite the fact that it's probably not his post restriction. I think you're town and you've done a good job of showing it but I don't want to read through some of your spammy posts.
At the moment I only have 2 pages of filter, and I don't think my walls of text could be considered "spam"; but well, I had this problem on UG as well
Either way, I already stated the reasons why I asked everybody said questions, so I will repeat it only once more:
I want to ask EVERYBODY questions so they are obligated to answer them. This means they are obligated to be active and contribute, and if they don't they will be lurking and I will take note of that for the future (I am indeed taking notes of who answers my questions and who doesn't). I don't want to have 30 different discussions, I just want them to post their thoughts, and nothing else, just so I can mark them off in my notes. I won't let a lone lurker get through the game undetected, nuh huh.
However, I do want to discuss Bluelightz's behaviour, so I'm waiting for his response more than everybody else's. Waiting for Dirk's thoughts is not bad either
I think my reads are pretty known by now. The people I'm pressuring the most are the ones I'm more suspicious about, but nothing definite, which is why I want more discussions and people posting more thoughts. I don't want discussion to just die by people voting Drazerk.
So Grack/Wiggles, if you want to keep discussion going, then could you give us more reads/thoughts? Or at least ask me specific questions and the like (at least so I can do something )
Also, I don't like spam, and I don't like spamming. I'm trying to post all my thoughts, but I'm trying to keep them all in 1 post, and not put one-liners that only make the thread bigger. If you guys think I'm spamming, then I'll try to cut it out, but for now I don't think I'm doing that bad in that department
On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade.
Thoughts?
There's the chance Drazerk is bullshiting about that "Anger core" claim of his.
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On March 18 2012 04:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Who do you want to elect? If we find someone who's probably town, I have no problem dragging them kicking and screaming into the Wheatley spot. Chances are pretty high that some of the people asking for it are scum who want powers, so we should be looking at them closely after today.
Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath?
*cough* EHHEHMM *cough*
Right, I'm still running for the Wheatley spot you know.
@Foolishness: What do you think about Kenpachi's fixation with GLaDOS? Have you ever seen him fixated like that in a previous game with him?
@Wiggles: So, what are your other thoughts? You stated your thoughts on Drazerk, you stated your thoughts on Velinath and me. What about other players? Anybody else caught your attention?
What do you guys (Wiggles+Foolishness) think about Blazinghand? Specially with his aggresiveness and apparently disappearance (albeit it might be just a time-zone thing) from the thread?
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On March 18 2012 05:21 Zephirdd wrote:Also, I hate how gonzaw is only asking questions to everyone
Ehm, you are free to ask me questions yourself.
I'm just trying to gather information and get all people involved in the discussions. If you want all my reads (at least the ones I haven't stated so) then ask away.
Also, I think it's been pretty apparent that asking questions is not the only thing I've done, so people try not to oversimplify things.
On March 18 2012 06:00 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 05:43 Drazerk wrote:On March 18 2012 03:17 Kenpachi wrote: kk. im going to hand you my item Drazerk, in return, you must vote GLaDOS everyday you are alive (in case we dont get majority day 1). Still waiting on this item... gave it to you.
Please respond to my previous post.
If someone gives an item to someone else, does the 2nd person get notified of whom gave him the item?
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Huh, this is what I exactly think about the Wheatley role (assuming a townie gets it): 1)It will have at least 1 positive ability (if it doesn't then fuck me) 2)It may change the win condition of the townie that gets it after a while, without letting him know 3)It may change the win condition of the townie that gets it after a while, letting him know of it by the PM of the role
I doubt (2) will happen, since I've never seen it happen and it would be to unbalanced and frankly it would be a dick move from the hosts. If (3) happens, then that player should: -Get lynched/vigged right before the "transformation" occurs -Use his positive ability from (1) before dying.
That way, that player will die as a townie and won't have his win condition changed, but will still use his ability for the good of town.
I'd volunteer for that, at least if I can get some scum down with me in the process >_>
However, since I doubt (2) would happen, I don't think Wheatley just should be policy lynched out of nowhere if he tells the thread that he wasn't informed his win condition would change.
Another thing is that this role could be gotten by scum. How will that role affect them if (2) or (3) happen? They will turn into townies or 3rd party? What about 3rd party? Will they turn into scum as well perhaps? That doesn't make sense, so I doubt a role where both scum, 3rd party and town could be elected into will revolve around changing alignments (also I've never seen that happen before, like EVER).
I'd say we don't concern ourselves about it, unless the player that was elected Wheatley tells us otherwise from his role PM (situation #3).
Also, take into account that Wheatley "turned good" at the end of the game...
...albeit he was already in space when that happen, but still counts.
On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS
Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today.
Spill it out then. What makes him 100% confirmed town?
Also, why do you even care about town anymore? You haven't answered any of our questions nor tried to lend your powers to us, so clearly you don't care.
Do you even know you are about to get lynched? Do you know that if you are indeed 3rd party you will LOSE? Why don't you even acknowledge that, and more importantly STOP it altogether? You are giving me more and more reasons for thinking you are actually scum.
I'd have to admit that killing GLaDOS doesn't seem bad from a lore point of view, but Kenpachi's actions don't seem to be in the best interest of town (if he's indeed town he just seems powerhungry and uninterested in the actual game), nor doesn't Drazerk's approval of it, and there's the possibility something fucked up happening like what phagga just said.
Kenpachi, until you PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE to us we won't do shit. And the more you avoid this Kenpachi, the more I think you don't care about this game, and the more I'd like a vig to just shoot you.
PRE-EDIT: Well, got late to the party before posting this, but might as well leave it.
Whatever, Drazerk may be lying to get Kenpachi to claim, or may tell the truth to get scum to know his role.
*sigh* Whatever, untill Kenpachi claims Chell and there is no cc, or until he establishes his innocence by contributing to town, I won't vote GLaDOS
On March 18 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents?
Radfield lynch again much? I won't let you nor anyone choose to follow this, just no....
Also you have to unvote C_C before voting zelblade.
BH, why did you go to zelblade like this? And don't give me the "I'm just trying to pressure him" crap because you know this "pressure" of yours won't go anywhere because it only dwells around an EBWOP and a typo.
Why would you choose to follow this kind of reasoning against zelblade, instead of trying to find scum using other methods by analysing their posts and motivations?
Also I'm leaving in a couple minutes, maybe an hour, just in case.
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Okay people, assume zelblade IS indeed Sleeper Agent and is communicating with his buddies..
....which scum in their right mind would take a "correction of a typo" as a tell that he found his scumbuddy? No one!
Even if he's Sleeper Agent, his buddies would most likely think he's town or null to them. They find each other via the encrypted messages they send each other, and via the behaviour in the thread, not by EBWOPS and typos.
Hell, maybe the SA would have killed their scumbuddy zelblade tonight if you hadn't mentioned that.
But really, if zelblade did in fact do that as SA it was a pretty stupid move from his part. Even if he is a SA (this doesn't exonerate him, he hasn't contributed much and I want him to answer my questions as well) I doubt he did that on purpose to communicate with his scumbuddies..
..I can't believe I really have to explain this.
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On March 18 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:25 gonzaw wrote: ....which scum in their right mind would take a "correction of a typo" as a tell that he found his scumbuddy? No one!
God, it's even in a post that's ABOUT SLEEPER CELL DUDES FINDING EACH OTHER. Are you even thinking here? His post is ABOUT SLEEPER CELL DUDES FINDING EACH OTHER. And he edited and BOLDFACED the word "link" in that sentence... like if you've been hearing some "whooshing" sounds that's the sound of my arguments going over your head.
Uhhm, do you seriously believe zelblade tried to communicate with his buddies there? Do you even think zelblade could come up with such a plan in the first place?
On March 18 2012 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Only the cell leader sends messages... this is sleeper cell I style, not Sleeper Cell II style.
The agents themselves can only recieve messages and try to encode things to eachother here in the thread.
So? They still send messages to each other, I don't see what's your point there (other than discrediting me, something some players here have taken into a liking).
On March 18 2012 10:06 Bluelightz wrote: From who ever asked this(sorry I forgot) : Bluelightz, can you please explain your behaviour?
Which behaviour? If you say why I pressed sinani after I was going to oppose policies is because that I didnt have a more worthy Lynch target at the time.
Right now, I am fine with a sinani or Dirk Hardpec lynch.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=27#531
Please read the thread.
People, the Dirk wagon is forming almost as easily as the Drazerk one. I haven't found A SINGLE player that opposed his lynch, like...not a single one. He may not have a lot of votes yet, but a lot of other people put their interest in getting him lynched as the "leader" of the scummy lurkers. As in, everybody says "We should lynch a lurker", and then immediately point out Dirk instead of others.
That gives me bad vibes from this situation (i.e bandwagon on a townie).
On March 18 2012 13:56 RayzorFlash wrote: Just got home, St. Patricks Day party!!! (Not drunk, no worries... Don't drink... lol)
1.I feel like Foolishness and blzinghand are both town, and it seems like the best options for lynching right now are Dirk and Draz. Dirk only has one post so far though, and I'd like to see some more from him before I decide to drop the hammer....
2. I believed in Draz before, but I'm not so sure after the actions today. I think if we don't have a better target we should definitely lynch him since even if we believe his claim to be entirely accurate, he's still going to be hurting town, trying to get Gandalf (who is likely town) and trying to get items by killing people/stopping people from using items themselves.
Also, imagine for one second if we had all 5 people send him items that he wanted, but Gandalf didn't die. What would stop scum from just killing him tonight and taking all those 5 items?? Mafia already now knows that Draz has a Portal Gun... If someone from Mafia needs it, they'll just kill him and we just gave it to them for free... Everyone else PLEASE think closely before giving items to Draz...
To summarize, I think Draz's role can only hurt town in the long run because he a) will want Gandalf (town) dead and b) he just made himself a target for mafia, and wants town to help him become an even juicier target... Better to lynch him and have the items he has stay circulating within town (mostly, except for the scum that votes for his lynch)
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3.Now, on to Wheatley. Someone else brought up that Wheatley is likely to have his win condition change mid-way. I agree with that and I think we need to have a policy to kill Wheatley at some point in the game. Maybe by Day 4/Night 4. Even if Wheatley agrees to total transparency, when his win condition changes he will have to continue to play to win, even if it involves town losing. Thus, I agree that we need to give Wheatley to someone who will remain transparent, but isn't that experienced of a player to be super dangerous, and who we won't miss when we eventually kill him. Also someone who's town.
I WANT to elect the two people I have the best town-read on (Foolishness and blzinghand) but they're both really strong and I think they'd be able to absolutely demolish town if they become third-party/mafia/their win condition changed...
Sooo, yeah, I'm sticking with keeping my vote on Velinath...
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Other stuffs: - Kenpachi: I'll vote for GlaDOS if you give me your top three town and scum reads, with GOOD reasoning, not "because I said so" - Adam4167: You were really solid in AC... Who are your top town and scum reads so far??
1. Apparently "town consensus" right now is to think Foolishness and Blazinghand are town (and have 2nd one get a lot of votes for election). It's also "town consensus" for the lynch to be either Dirk or Drazerk. I find you following this trend without any other justification very weird (i.e suspicious), even more with other players that did so as well (but meh, will get to them later when I get some sleep).
2. Nothing new said here, except for the "Mafia can kill him for his items". First, why is it bad for mafia to waste their shot on a 3rd party? Second, how can you say "No townie should give their items to Drazerk" and use it to justify "Drazerk should be lynched so mafia have no items when they kill him"? If no townie gives items to Drazerk, then he has no more items and is not a "juicy target". What does that have to do with his lynch? Why is that a reason for lynching him? It's something completely unrelated to his aligment and actions, you should want him lynched to "be safe". Also, wouldn't you think perhaps that maybe a vig could hit him as well, and he (which would be town) would get all those items and (ideally) help town with them?
3. I've said this before but apparently everybody loves to ignore me: THE WHEATLEY ROLE IS NOT GUARANTEED TO CHANGE HIS ALIGNMENT MID-GAME!!
And seriously, there's almost absolutely NO reason to assume he will. No other previous game in the history of Mafia had a role like that (correct me if I'm wrong though). And this is only based on speculation about the Portal 2 game and it's story. Really people, this should have been ignored instantly, it should not have made people want to enforce a POLICY LYNCH on this elected role, that doesn't make sense.
Oh yeah Razor, I don't like this post at all. Blatant sheeping on "town consensus" on points 1 and 3; and some pretty bad reasons for point 2.
##Vote: RayzorFlash
(I guess EVERYBODY will bandwagon on Rayzor right now because he made only 2 posts, right?)
P.S: People, please stop this useless speculation about how the Wheatley role will have his aligment changed mid-game; and about how zelblade is using an EBWOP and a typo fix to communicate with his Sleeper Agent buddies. Please people, I expect some of you to realize how bullshit that is.
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THANK YOU JAYJAY.
Finally someone making sense in this game. Sorry for shitting you up earlier, keep up the good work.
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On March 18 2012 20:25 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 19:53 gonzaw wrote: People, the Dirk wagon is forming almost as easily as the Drazerk one. I haven't found A SINGLE player that opposed his lynch, like...not a single one. He may not have a lot of votes yet, but a lot of other people put their interest in getting him lynched as the "leader" of the scummy lurkers. As in, everybody says "We should lynch a lurker", and then immediately point out Dirk instead of others.
Why would you expect someone to oppose this lynch? With all of the different factions at work in this game, he may have no one coming to his aid (3rd party), his teammates may not know they're supposed to be aiding him (sleeper agent) and his team may just be abandoning him for being afk/lurking (mafia). When I read Dirk's post, I thought "Gee, he said a lot of words to say so little", and then on the next page, I see Foolishness making a similar argument. That does two things for me: a) tells me I'm probably on the right track and b) tells me that Foolishness is probably town, since I am town. I agree with you on RayzorFlash, but I question what is the point of this line: "(I guess EVERYBODY will bandwagon on Rayzor right now because he made only 2 posts, right?)" You've made a case against him. Its looks solid enough. Then you try to scare everyone away from agreeing with you by labelling anyone that votes Rayzorflash as a bandwagoner. Did you not want this case to pick up steam? Why make it then? I am genuinely confused as to what you are trying to accomplish.
Sarcasm. It was about how everybody would now instantly agree with me and vote for him without any other reasoning.
I guess you make a good point about the Sleeper Agents though, although I thought the mafia from another faction (if there is one) would oppose his lynch.
On March 18 2012 23:47 Bluelightz wrote: Here it is I think that
Dirk - Fluffy fluff fluff, lurking hardcore Sinani - Lurking Drazerk - I'm fairly sure the Balrog is an anti town role, because that Shadow & Flames doesnt sound like a town kill flavor.
are anti-town roles, Can't be sure if 3rd party/Scum on either of em.
I would be fine for lynching any of the above.
Hey you, don't ignore me, respond to my post. I'm getting fed up with this, why would you not respond to someone pressuring you?
@Dirk: If you are town, I guess you know not many people like you here, right? If you are town, you don't want to get lynched, right? If you are scum, you know everybody will keep their eye on you so you can't lurk the game away either. Either way, the best course of action for you is to post some reads and thoughts, if not you will most likely be heading towards a certain death. Don't just comment on the Drazerk thing, tell us who other player you think is scum. If you don't think anyone else is scum, then at least tell us who your leading suspicions are, and GIVE SUFFICIENT REASONING behind them.
Anyways, *sigh* I 95% agree with Jayjay here.
Drazerk, you had your chance to help town and you screwed it, and you made yourself look more like scum trying to confuse town (kind of like Kurumi on JubJub mafia) by insane claims rather than 3rd party thinking straight trying to fulfill his win-con.
Also, obviously the anger core is indeed bullshit (at least the description you make from it), but nice try though
Anyways, I wanted more discussions taking place, but no other discussion is really being made; so I guess I'll vote Drazerk to secure the lynch (inb4 I'm scum bandwagoning at the last minute herp derp zerp) However, we still have scum to catch people, so I'd like for all the players I mentioned before to post their thoughts and scum reads, and for the people I pressured to respond.
On March 19 2012 01:34 Drazerk wrote: Veli is dragon
So imagine that was the case..
...Velinath agreed to be completely transparent with the Wheatley ability, so obviously if it's found that he wasn't he will be instantly killed. That means that he'll have to give town info and play to help us, and even if that was the case we could even agree to a deal with him (to perhaps give him items so he can kill scum, or whatever his role does).
He has done 100x things to help town than you.
...oh, and also I don't buy anything you say.
Also people, if Foolishness doesn't REALLY step up his game in next days, I wouldn't oppose killing him because I know that's not something he would do as town; considering his rhyming thing is mostly bullshit, and made to confuse town or just have fun/get Science points, but it's not made to help us catch scum.
Another thing, the election is very close, and I'd prefer Velinath getting the Wheatley role rather than Blazinghand.
I don't have much to think BH is scum rather than "not bright" townie ( ), but I still think Velinath is town and could make better decisions if he communicates everything about his Wheatley role with town.
So I guess....thanks for all the people that voted for me...?
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On March 19 2012 02:41 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:[/B did you give him your anger core as well? Yup
Okay then, you are most certainly not 3rd party because you threw your only chance for survival down the drain, and should mostly be banned for playing against your win-con and siding with another faction. So, either you get banned and learn how to play properly later, or you are scum, so I guess that's a win-win
You do know that trying to appear to contribute, and trying to lead town is 100x times easier in a game filled with noobs and little players? If you are scum but not "strong", "fearless", "vet", etc (like some of the regulars), and you are scum, it won't be easy to do the same things you did in Newbie games in this one.
@Rayzor: Respond to my post...NOW.
On March 19 2012 03:11 willz22912 wrote: Oh, this is for gonzaw whenever he gets around to reading this. Please stop spamming the thread with multiple questions to multiple people with little to no benefit to town from their responses. I get that you're trying to deny lurking, but it's fairly obvious to see just by checking people's filters and having very active town (which we already have in plenty) I'm coming in as a replacement and I kept myself up to date on this thread but it was really annoying reading through all your shit to see if any of it was actually useful (not all of it was, I'd say maybe 30% to be generous)
You're running the risk of being almost detrimental to town by burying all your decent points in too long posts, as well as lowering your credibility since people will start to dislike you because of this posting behavior. There is also the alternate case that you are scum trying to hide by over posting and defending yourself when under suspicion by pointing to your "active" behavior.
I have 2 pages of filter; if you can't find the "decent points" it's your own fault. I'm making all the effort I can to make my points clear and easy to read, I'm not Blazinghand from Purgatory Mafia, so please stop this crap
@Kita and C_C: If you were inactive until 5 hours before D1 ended, you have A LOT to compensate I want you to read filters, read the thread and give us more thoughts and reasoning behind them. Pick a player you think is scum and analyse him, make a list of reads on every player, whatever you may like, but you guys have given us less information than anybody else (maybe except Cwave >_> ) so you need to step up
##Unvote: RayzorFlash ##Vote: Drazerk
##Unelect: gonzaw ##Elect: Velinath
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On March 19 2012 05:12 RayzorFlash wrote: I guess I should also respond to Gonzaw's post at me...
I just posted my reads. I guess if you want reasons for why I did so, so here they are...
Foolishness spoke sensibly. I agree with a lot of the stuff he's said so far, i.e.: - Draz is very anti-town and needs to die soon - Dirk is lurking and posting fluff, seems scummy - People, including me, are wasting time discussing Portal - The same few active people are posting and causing chaos, while the lurkers get to lurk
My town read on BlazingHand is based on the one/two sensible posts he made in the middle, while the rest of the time he was being... well... strange, lets just stick with strange. I had a null read on him, but he did good actual analysis/scumhunting (though I don't agree with lynching Zelblade right now, I'm definitely keeping a closer eye on him as a result), which has so far been pretty rare in this game.
I have town-reads on them both, just like I have a town-read on Jayjay now. I don't care if its sheeping the town consensus or not, I feel its just common sense :S...
Ehm, so what do you think about Foolishness rhymes? Do you think they are a legit post restriction or bullshit? If you think the former, then what do you think about mods granting Foolishness Science points for doing the rhymes? Why would a mod grant someone "gratification points" just for following their post restriction? If you think the latter, then how do you think him rhyming helps town at all?
So, if you think Foolishness is speaking sensibly, who do you think is speaking sensibly other than him?
On this point, I thought that if Draz didn't get the items he wanted willfully, then he'll start killing/being even more anti-town to get to his win condition. I'd have no problem with a vigi hitting him either. I basically wanted him lynched/dead/something, but at the hands of town/mostly town and not mafia, ideally before he causes even more chaos than he already had.
The point is...that's not a "reason" to get him lynched per se, it's only a "perk" of him getting lynched.
Think of it this way: If Draz was town, and had items, then scum could have still killed him at night to get his items. Therefore that is not a reason to get someone lynched (since he would be town).
I guess I won't ask you for ALL the reasons for lynching Draz though, since they are clearly apparent. However, I didn't like that Dirk "bandwagon read" you posted.
Can you state reads on other people that weren't exhaustively mentioned by now?
For instance, what do you think about Lanaia and Zephird?
Yeah, I won't talk about this anymore since I think the Wheatley talk distracted us from actually hunting scum, except just that we should keep a close CLOSE eye on whoever gets elected Wheatley (likely to be Velinath)
You wanted to policy kill Wheatley, that's not just "keeping a close eye on him".
Wait wait what? You think I'm scummy, but you don't want people to wagon/actually lynch me?? Are you just setting up for the followup tomorrow or something? Or are you trying to make cases on people so not enough people vote for the majority on Draz?? This line just doesn't make sense and invalidates your post for me. I can't think of ANY reason that a town player would say that :S
I guess you were writting your post before I made mine before (ours are just 2 minutes apart), so its not our fault for missing my previous post. So I suggest reading 1 post up from yours if you want that answer.
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On March 19 2012 05:55 Drazerk wrote: Oh cool I have majority never mind
I am a village idiot with a day vig shot
Cheers for playing
Cool story bro.
Even if that's the case we should still kill you so mafia can't join-win with you in LYLO
On March 19 2012 06:00 kitaman27 wrote: ##Elect: gonzaw
You are a little late there
Also, why do you want to elect me? What do you think about me?
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On March 19 2012 06:08 Drazerk wrote: Not quite sure if you know what a village idiot is...
Huh? If you talk about the Village Idiot role then yeah, I do.
On March 19 2012 06:09 RayzorFlash wrote:
I really don't know what to think about the rhymes except that its AWESOME, lol... I might actually be inclined to buy that Foolishness is using a fakeclaim or something, and the fact that he chose to use it resulted in him getting gratification points. I don't think its a legit post restriction, no.
So, what would you think/do if Foolishness kept doing his rhymes until late game, knowing it's mostly not legit?
I think Jayjay, you, and Foolishness are speaking the most sense. I am also leaning town on Grackaroni and Lanaia was seeming town to me before she stopped posting as much.
What exactly made you think Grack and Lanaia were town? Any specific thing about their posts?
The Dirk read definitely wasn't a very strong read, thats why I didn't vote for him... In terms of other scum reads I think a lot of the lurkers really need to step up and post. I think that ghost_403 specifically has been actively lurking, posting fluff and repeating what other people have already said. A lot of the passive lurkers, cheese, cwave, sinani, nisani, i don't really have a good enough read on yet, and they need to post more, a lot more. Otherwise i'd be fine with vigging them tonight to reduce the lurking being done
Also, can you specify what makes you suspicious of ghost as well? Specific quotes, or at least pointing out specific behaviour/motivation from said posts, etc
I dunno man, I don't buy that sarcasm thing... (/sarcasm) Or is it...
lol
On March 19 2012 06:15 kitaman27 wrote: Similar mindframe with myself? Or it was completely random.
What?
Explain that please. Was it random or not? If not, explain how I have a similar "mindframe" with you.
Also kita, I want more contributions from you.
What do you think about Foolishness, his actions and his rhymes and motivation behind them?
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On March 19 2012 06:36 phagga wrote:
Lol, you might have only 2 pages of filter, but each of your post is at least 3 times more than the average post size in this thread. And many are formatted horribly. Really, it's a pain in the ass to read your posts, and I've already skipped several for the time being.
Huh? *sigh*
I won't discuss this with you if that's what you think. I hope other players think otherwise.
I would advise you not to "skip" any of my posts. What if I'm scum? Will you just let me off the hook as easily as that?
phagga, you've been keeping your attention to a small pool of players, and a pool of players everybody else has kept their attention on as well. So what do you think about the other players? What do you think about Rayzor, Lanaia, Zephird, Midnight, etc, etc ,etc?
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Ehm, I'll just say I eagerly await the responses from these people:
Bluelightz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=27#531 Kenpachi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=27#537 Sinani: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=27#537 Willz, kitaman, C_C: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=43#845 (this applies to willz too, since he subbed later in the day) Wiggles: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=29#572
I asked for someone to make a read on him (Wiggles), anybody. I don't like this recessive position he's taken in town. Not only he has few posts, but I haven't seen him contribute that much, at least not from what I expect from him.
I want people to post their opinion on Lanaia and Zephird as well.
@Zephird: Will you keep pushing your case on Paperscraps? I didn't see you push it that hard, and basicly swept it aside. Also, your thoughts on Lanaia and Wiggles are welcome.
@Lanaia: It seems to me you are just trying to blend in, I haven't seen you contribute that much, and the only relevant reads you've stated where you thought BH was town and Drazerk scum.
@Paperscraps: How do you respond to Zephird's case against you?
(also, I said I keep tabs on who answers my questions and who doesn't, so it's not "useless" since I'll make them answer those questions to me. Also it's hard to keep everybody contributing in a large game like this, and I don't want anybody flying under the radar and unnoticed, so if people keep doing that and not posting their thoughts, I'll keep asking questions. If you don't like this, then deal with it.)
PRE-EDIT: Derp, night already started.
*sigh* Should Drazerk be banned for playing against his win-con and trying to let another faction win when he knew he would die? At least assuming he told the truth about the Cell Leader thing.
PRE-EDIT2:
Velinath, if you invent something, will it be stated in the Day Post?
If so, then I think at least tonight, you should give an item to someone; post right before the deadline who you gave it too, and have him confirm it next day. If both of your claims are the same as the one from the Day Post, it will confirm your role as inventor.
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On March 19 2012 08:21 Velinath wrote: gonzaw, items from me will be handled normally. I can give an item to someone and have them confirm that they received it.
Like I said, it's not exactly like inventor. I guess I could elaborate a bit more than I did - I'm limited in what I can give out to a predefined list of items.
What is said list of items?
Also, what's that "Desestabilization Level 5" that was said in Drazerk's Role PM?
@Grack: I don't think anybody will give you any lemons until you explain exactly what they are for and why you need them. Just like nobody will vote for GLaDOS just because Kenpachi said so.
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On March 19 2012 08:29 Kenpachi wrote: gonzaw i said i dont understand my role's context. I cant tell you anything about GLaDOS except that my role targets her.
Eh? The point of my questions was about how you should STOP talking about GLaDOS and contribute more. And I asked you for your reads.
On March 19 2012 08:30 Kenpachi wrote: INSTEAD OF ASKING QUESTIONS, WHY DONT YOU TRY TO FIND THE ANSWERS YOURSELF see filter
your questions are all derp.
I can't "find answers" to the "What does player X think of player Y?" question if they never state their reads.
On March 19 2012 08:33 Velinath wrote: I can get more than one of the same item, as far as I can tell. Lemons are not among those items though.
That's not enough, give us more information. What is the exact list of items you can invent?
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Zephird: I'm waiting for your responses as well.
Kenpachi: Can you give reasoning behind those reads?
On March 19 2012 08:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 08:10 Grackaroni wrote:On March 19 2012 08:07 Velinath wrote:On March 19 2012 08:05 Grackaroni wrote: Great so he told the truth about Velinath being 3rd party. How do you figure? He had role names, throwing out random accusations means nothing. I'm town. Well he had a DT ability that can be used during day that checks if a player is a being of great power. He told us you were the planar dragon. I guess he could have lied, he has no more reason to help town than he does to mess with it. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:21 Bluelightz wrote: My eyes O_O, I think that Wiggles is town and trustable for the elections, vote for the wiggul cause! Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons 1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back 2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument @gonzaw: I'm not sure what exactly you want me to do or say in response to you. If you want me to spew all my reads into the thread, I'm not going to do so. When I want to push a scum in the thread, I'll write a case and post it. I don't like to share town reads either, unless it's a person under discussion/scrutiny, or there's a specific reason to, i.e. they're up for a lynch, someone's saying to shoot them, etc.. For example, I think Kenpachi's a great target for a check. He's being obscure about his role, and he gave an item to a self-claimed third party, who was very likely to be lynched. That he did so, makes me think he's playing more towards an alternate win condition, than actually trying to win with town.
You haven't done anything like that by now. You haven't written any "cases" yet. If your answer to that is "Well, I don't think anyone is scum for now", then why don't you pressure people and try to find them? Will you just sit back and do nothing until someone does something scummy enough for you to notice?
That's not how it works. There are some things I want you to do, for instance tell me what you think about Lanaia and Zephird, with reasoning and thought process behind it.
On March 19 2012 08:50 Velinath wrote: Vig shot, track, watch at the moment. Like I said it's not exactly an inventor role. That's the closest thing I can think of to describe it.
Or if you want a bucket of water I can do that too, I guess.
Why could you create a bucket of water? What specific thing about your Role PM tells you you could create such an object?
Stop being vague Velinath, you promised to be transparent about this, so stop wasting our time, just spill everything out from the get go.
Also, I believe other players will gain access to the resource that I would be using to get these items as the game wears on.
What resource? Again, spill it out.
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On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote:
Gonzaw, since you're around, do you have a specific question you want me to answer? You put me in your post but you don't say what you want from me. If you want a general read on everyone, I came in late as a replacement and I didn't have any interaction with anyone to build reads on. Also do you realize that there are 29 other people still playing this game?
It's exactly for that reason. You came in late so you need to contribute for all those hours lost, and for all those "interactions" you couldn't have made.
Just read the thread and filters and give me your "not null" opinion on people, and give me your thoughts on Lanaia and Zephird, and anything else you find interesting.
Also why should Drazerk be banned? He wasn't playing against his win-con, he wins with any faction, he just needs to have another 3rd party dead first. I believe his reasoning on shooting VE as a strong player, and everything else snowballed because he claimed when he didn't have to.
I assumed he lost when he died.
If he couldn't get Kanti killed before being lynched, then he was going to lose. However if what he said was true, then he would be going to lose, but tried to help another faction before dying, which wouldn't have anything to do with his win-con since he would already be going to lose.
Anyways, perhaps he can still win if he's dead, the moment Kanti dies.
However, that makes his role so easy. He can do whatever he wants, get lynched, get killed, etc; and he will win 100% of the time unless Kanti lives at endgame. That seems VERY unbalanced, so I assume he has to live to win as well (at least until Kanti dies).
Do you want the easy cases? How hard is it to point out the other lurkers and say "look at them" Dirk, Kita, CC, Sinani, etc. Do you really think putting pressure on me wouldn't be easily deflected by pointing to the other lurkers? If you compare my posts to theirs you can at least see I've contributed with longer responses then one sentence.
I'm putting pressure on everybody, not just you. Also, since making "cases" against lurkers (at least by N1) isn't that helpful, I'd say I prefer your thoughts on the more active people
Regarding you Gonzaw, do you not fear for your life by being the most active poster? If you keep asking everyone questions and you are personally keeping track of everyone, why wouldn't you be the first one killed this night? Do you think scum have already found out blue roles, I don't think so. If you are town, you should back off and not present yourself as a target with your activity. If you are scum, you would just keep posting because you know you won't be a target. Do you have any response to this logic?
Why would I fear for my life?
Great, I'd like to play this game some more time, but if scum decide to shoot me, well, what can I do? I won't back off and play sub-optimally just to "convince" scum not to kill me. Also, perhaps I could get some medic protection (medics WIFOM about it), or not, so it wouldn't be too bad in the end if that happens (a scum KP would be wasted).
About Velinath (again):
First, I expect the mods to answer to Velinath about what he can reveal or not. Just in case Velinath lies to us, I'll ask too:
Are elected roles allowed to reveal ALL information from their elected role? Is Velinath allowed to reveal ALL information about his Wheatley role?
Second, I expect Velinath to tell us, right before the deadline, what item he will create and who he will give it too. Then, on Day 2, I want that player to confirm that he got that exact item. This will confirm Velinath's ability, or at least part of it.
Third, I expect Velinath to follow town consensus regarding what he invents, and if the situation arises and he's under suspicion, he SHOULD repeat the same step from the second point I mentioned (i.e reveal what item he's making and who he's giving it to before the deadline).
However, I'd want you to truthfully answer us this question:
Are you really Planar Dragon?
If you are 3rd party, and depending on your win-conditions, we could make a deal with you. I see you somewhat care about this game, so I don't see you doing the retarded things Drazerk did if you were indeed 3rd party. For instance, you give us ALL info about your role, about the Wheatly role, etc; and maybe we keep you medic-protected and try to fullfill your win condition (if it's not an anti-town one, for instance like Drazerk's one, killing another 3rd party) if you play along.
I gave Drazerk this option, and the fool refused it, so if you are 3rd party I'm giving it to you as well. If you do not do this, and you are in fact 3rd party, you risk dying soon, considering a lot of people are doubting you already because of Drazerk's claim, and because of your powerful Wheatley abilities.
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On March 19 2012 09:57 Jayjay54 wrote: hey. I understand that you don't want lurkers, but it's actually not helpful for town if many reads get public.
a) if like 5 players agree that player X is town. Player X is a priority target for scum. If you hide your townreads and only defend them if necessary, Player X is more likely to stay alive and the five players can continue to orient him. b) scumreads may alert the scum player to do stuff. this is not usually the case, but weak scum reads should not be overdosed IMO. c) an overall picture of reads, make it easy for scum to navigate and manipulate players into doing things. d) scum players may buddy and generate bandwagons this way
I don't want to conceal information. But sometimes it is better to slow down.
it's kinda the same if you are a DT. You don't openly claim DT, ideally. You push the player while hiding you're ability so that scum won't now to Roleblock you.
I like how active you are and how you want to generate more discussions (again: more information = better for town), but don't just question everyone for many reads. It is, in fact, not helpfull and water down the threads actual good scum reads...
No, I don't want people to just give me their town reads, I just want more info from them regarding players that haven't been discussed at the moment, or at least for them to post more thoughts (could be town reads, scum reads, or other things entirely).
I already know the point of why too many town reads get scum to choose those players to target.
On another hand though, even if those "reads" are not stated publicly, scum can figure out if nobody is suspicious of said player, and can figure out if he's consider townie by most, which still makes him a target. Also, being thought town by most makes him a target for medics as well, since they know where to look to save people.
However, I'm not asking people to state all their Town reads only, I'm just asking them to state opinions on certain players. I don't know if they think those players are town or scum or null. I just want people to not concentrate on a small pool of players (for instance Drazerk/Dirk/Velinath/Blazinghand and no one else), which makes it easier for scum to hide, since they just follow town consensus and are justified in not faking other reads.
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On March 19 2012 11:31 Velinath wrote: Alright I have confirmation that I can release this.
The Wheatley role gives me access to the Black Market, where I can buy items (and apparently, "services" from other people with access to this) with currency. Right now, I can buy the items I've listed for you previously in the thread. I know for a fact right now that there are others with this access, but I don't know who they are or what faction they are.
I can sell items too, I think, but I'm a little hazy on that.
The way the whole "giving items" thing works is that I can buy an item and immediately have it given to a person I specify.
The Black Market is based around aliases, so if you ask me to buy a specific item and I then purchase it in the Black Market, other people with access to the Black Market will know the alias I post under (they'll be able to compare post times, etc). Please keep that in mind, if you'd like me to purchase items.
Ugh? So do you know which aliases are those? Do you know which people buy what, and what they sell?
Can you communicate to these "vendors"? How? Via PMs or QT?
Is there any information from there you can give us?
@Midnight: I think Drazerk said he gave all his items to the Cell Leader. Whether that's true and there does exist an Anger Core, or that's all bullshit altogether we don't know (I'd want to assume that's bullshit though).
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree. Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)?
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On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote: I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could.
Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could.
Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least?
Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it.
On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote: @Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree. Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)? I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons.... In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role.
I really hope this isn't a fake-claim like Toad's/Rg's ones from AC
Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree.
In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning.
Really? It has no meaning, yet it apparently is in your Role PM and is a restriction? Why did you plant a lemon tree because MG said so? Woudln't you just plant one each cycle because your role states so?
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On March 19 2012 12:12 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:06 gonzaw wrote:On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote: I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could. Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could. Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least? Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it. Aliases are based on BW players. As far as I can tell these aliases have no relation to the actual game. I'd post a list, but there are like 3 people on that list so far and I'd rather not out myself that quickly to the other members of the market. Unless you think that getting rid of my anonymity to two people I don't know is a good idea, in which case I guess I could.
I am not the one that should dictate your actions, the whole town should, so I'd want to wait for other people's thoughts on it.
Since you are in touch with town, maybe having your identity in the black market known will make things more transparent with you (for instance, you won't be afraid to post info in the thread fearing it will out yourself or something in the BM).
Also, I maybe we should have ALL people from the black market claim here and claim their aliases. If everybody claims, then the BM will be completely transparent, and scum/3rd party won't be able to use it to their favour without gaining some suspicion.
If someone doesn't claim their alias, we can just assume they are mafia, so if any info is gotten about them, they should be instantly killed
Thoughts about this?
@Grack: Is this a joke then? Are you fake-claiming for shit and giggles?
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On March 19 2012 12:36 Grackaroni wrote: Now back to serious thoughts, Transparency for the black market is not always a good thing. The OP itself explicitly mentioned the fact that there could be roles capable of stealing items. I can only imagine those being scum roles if they exist so you could end up gifting a powerful item to scum rather than the townie player the item was originally made for.
Fuck, forgot about that.
Yeah, maybe it's a bad idea.
@Sbrubbles: It's odd seeing you here all of a sudden. This is the first time you've posted since the lynch, right? What thoughts do you have about it? Or thoughts about anything else?
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There's a very simple way to determine if Drazerk lied or not about giving his items to someone else (Cell Leader or not) now that I think about it:
-If you got the "Portal Gun", "Maia Gun", or "Angry Core" once Drazerk was lynched, then claim you got it. If this was the case, then Drazerk was indeed bullshiting about that and we can just forget about it. If nobody claims, then perhaps he did give his items to someone else, but it's also likely the items went to scum/3rd party.
The point is that Drazerk's role made his items obsolete, so there's no harm in claiming you got them, right? (Unless I'm missing something).
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Here lies a very Important statement!
I have the Destabilization Engine
This item has a large Aperture Science 1500 Megawatt Super-Colliding Super Switch, which at the moment is ON. I can turn the switch ON or OFF each night.
I know nothing else about this item.
Thanks ghost for pointing this out:
I forgot about the flavour text from Sleeper Cell 2, so I decided to check it again.
Here are some interesting exerpts from it:
“As always at the LR, safety is our number one concern. As you can see behind me we have constructed a rather large device I have dubbed the Destabilization Engine. We use this in conjunction with some other instruments to destabilize the Rift, so it can be shut down in the case of an emergency.”
"Hello everyone, Here i am at the institute with this stunning mechanical creation behind me. Now I'm told this creation is being called "GLADOS", and it was originally created to manage the Destabilization Engine among other assets of the company. While making a routine inspection, her AI found that 5 prototype "Portal Guns", or devices used to create rifts, were found missing and traced the theft back to Zephridd, an employee of the company. further investigation led to evidence that he was connected with the vicious sleeper cell, and has been taken away by the FBI."
After seeing this, I thought the D.Engine was a very important item for this game. Because of this, I thought town should be given the knowledge of what it does, so we can figure it out together. Also, maybe other roles know more about this than I do, and can give us more info too.
It seems to me, that as long as the D.Engine is ON, then the "Rift can be shut down in case of an emergency", but I don't really know what that would mean. It also seems GLaDOS may be looking for this item as well, since she's supposed to manage it (if she's in this game)
Another thing that caught my eye was Drazerk's Role PM:
ALTERNATIVELY: You win immediately if the Rift hits Destabilization Level 5 and you possess the Destabilization Engine. You will instantly be transported to LOTR Mafia and destroy Everyone!
This made me think, that the D.Engine has something to do with the "Destabilization Levels" as well.
The Engine is ON for now, and never was it mentioned that the "Destabilization Level" rose or not in the Night Post, nor any other special announcement. This makes me think that perhaps those Levels rise only when the Engine is OFF. Perhaps it raises 1 level each cycle it's OFF, or something. Perhaps the "Destabilization Level" is just a fancy name for Day. So "Destabilization Level 5" would mean "Day 5" (meaning Drazerk would have needed to wait 5 days and have the D. Engine to win). That makes sense as well, but I'm open to opinions.
If Drazerk has this "alternative" win condition, perhaps other "Great powers" have this one as well. Maybe we can get the DLs up to 5, give the D.Engine to one of these 3rd parties to take them out of the game. However, that's risky since we don't know what the DLs affect us (if it's not just a fancy name for "Day"), and we don't know if this "alternative" win condition is exclusive with other win conditions (for instance, if said win-con is achieved, the game ends and all other factions lose).
Anyways, I thought town could have the info, in case I died, scum got the item and I was never able to talk about it.
I'm making this colorful and shit so people can see it and not "ignore" it, since I think this may be an important item and want everybody to acknowledge its existance.
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On March 19 2012 14:48 Foolishness wrote: gonzaw, it is unbelievable that this I must do but trust me when I say I wish it weren't true. I try to be clear with what I post here If you have any questions just ask me dude!
Posting clear is a good thing, but not enough.
The Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around every once in a while and makes a single "clear" point. If you were anybody else, this would have been fine (for the most part).
But you are not, and I expect a lot of you; initially I expect you to be more active, and at least have posts that have more than 6-7 lines.
You tell me you can't write a 30-line poem or so? If you really want to keep up with this rhyme bullshit, then at least do it right.
If rhyming is your post restriction It doesn't mean you have to follow it perfectly Trying too hard to do it is just a constriction You don't even need to do it subtly
For instance you can just make it apparent that you want to write in verse but then just post whatever is your intent I mean, you can still write verse without it being a rhyme.
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EBWOP:
Ah:
"The Town Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around once in a while and makes a single "clear" point."
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On March 19 2012 15:03 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 15:00 gonzaw wrote:On March 19 2012 14:48 Foolishness wrote: gonzaw, it is unbelievable that this I must do but trust me when I say I wish it weren't true. I try to be clear with what I post here If you have any questions just ask me dude! Posting clear is a good thing, but not enough. The Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around every once in a while and makes a single "clear" point. If you were anybody else, this would have been fine (for the most part). But you are not, and I expect a lot of you; initially I expect you to be more active, and at least have posts that have more than 6-7 lines. You tell me you can't write a 30-line poem or so? If you really want to keep up with this rhyme bullshit, then at least do it right. If rhyming is your post restriction It doesn't mean you have to follow it perfectly Trying too hard to do it is just a constriction You don't even need to do it subtly For instance you can just make it apparent that you want to write in verse but then just post whatever is your intent I mean, you can still write verse without it being a rhyme. His post restriction's probably limerick. That makes things a little trickier.
Right, so our "strongest" town player has a post restriction that basicly doesn't allow him to play the game?
Either that's VERY unfortunate and kind of dickish by the hosts (lol jk love you ....if this were true >_> ), or he's mafia/3rd party/townie TOTALLY uninterested in the game just doing shit for the lulz; and if the latter was the case, I don't feel confident in Foolishness being the latter of those options.
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On March 19 2012 17:57 phagga wrote: What you don't seem to understand is that not everyone has the same amount of time available to participate in this game. I have a family with 2 kids which limits my time drastically, especially on weekends. In a game like this where the thread fills up so fast it is already hard enough for me to keep up. So when I'm gonna analyse someone or something, I do it in my order on the people that I want to, and I'm not gonna make any errand runs for other players until I have the feeling it really helps us all.
Also, I don't give out town reads unless absolutely necessary.
The point is that if you DO post, I want you to check the filters of players not taken into consideration as well, and give your opinion on them.
If you don't have enough time, you can do this whenever you can. Time's not the issue here, the issue is what you do with that time.
Also I do get that about not having enough time. In fact, I may not be as active these next few days, since it's week-day and I have uni.
Also again, I don't want all your town reads >_> I just want thoughts on players. If you find something fishy about them, state so. If you want something you'd want them to do, state so and pressure that player as well, etc etc etc.
Seriously, for you being so active in the thread you clearly misread this hard. It was very obvious that this was a joke.
I've seen a share of ridiculous fake-claims that were passed as true (read AC). I knew it was fishy and seemed like one of those.
Also, apparently Drazerk could be unkillable at night, and won only when 1 3rd party died, whether he was alive or not. That's insanely "powerful", so I don't believe any other similar claim can be that far-fetched.
I think claminig items is not a good move at this point. As Drazerk's role showed there are 3rd parties and perhaps even scum out there that are dayvigs, it will be easy for them to get certain items if they need them. So I'd rather if people hold back with their item claims for now.
Here:
However, your ancient magicks corrupt any items you recieve, rendering them permanently inoperable.
Any item Drazerk got is PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE. So if you claim that item, scum/3rd party can do whatever they want to get them, but it will be useless to them (these items may only work to increase the "Item count" of a player, nothing else)
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On March 19 2012 23:54 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, answering to gonzaw's question
On the posts you quoted, I was asking for opinions on my Idea, I was trying to start discussion. On my meta, Lists!?!!!!?!?! Fine, since you sorta asked for it im gonna make a list I was scum in my first game(Student Mafia) I replaced into that game though Sinani's posts.... are interesting, he justs posts random fluff, and contributes little to the discussion.)
Yeah, but why the odd behaviour? At least that's how I see it.
I reread Purgatory Mafia, and shit your play left much to be desired there on D1-N1-etc >_>
Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=235418¤tpage=2
However, even if you posted very little there, and mostly one-liners, it seemed like you posted more bluntly, and with a little more confidence You never posted things like:
I think that he should claim the powers if its anti-town but im open to other opinions :D.
Anyone have a thoughts on who we should lynch?
Its tempting to believe this because Kenpachi does this every game :O, any thoughts?
Hassy, IF Drazerk is third party, should we lynch him? I'm thinking we should because that its the best bet we have for a day 1 lynch.
I agree with you JJ, picking a person to be Wheatley is mind boggling =_=, Its tempting to say that its ability will help town but the possiblity of Wheatley turning bad x[, Or we could just have a vig shoot Wheatley if Wheatley will turn bad, Any opinions on my idea?
You posted things like:
Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker.
If I was in that situation then no. Because I lack sufficient information to make a correct move.
I think RoL is more scum because he didnt post anything before now and risk.nuke "promised"more content but, if he didnt fullfill the promise I would consider that he is scum also.
Okay i'll adress this post then go to sleep so, we have 2 days and 9 hrs from when I post this.
Hopefully when I wake up I can make a more accurate analysis.
It's hard to put a finger on that difference in behaviour, but that initial behaviour of posting smileys, posting irrelevant things, appearing sort of "joyful", but not have that translated in a higher post count or higher post content from you, etc seemed very odd to me.
Your odd vote on sinani didn't help.
I wanted an explanation for THAT behaviour, but I guess if you are indeed town it may be hard to explain it, unless you are a psychologist >_>
PRE-EDIT: Damn, I forgot that Adam was playing this game as well. I'll add him to the kita+C_C list of people that almost didn't contribute anything at all by now; and should step up their game.
On March 20 2012 01:20 blubbdavid wrote: I know that I am a lurker too, but: I am for lynching lurkers (as long as it is not me), so that we don't make the same fault like in Kaller, where town ripped eachother apart and the majority of scum lurked. Is it common that in large scale games many of the mafia are lurking?
Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking:
Currently lurking: -Mr Wiggles -Kitaman27 -Ghost_403 -Blazinghand -sinani -Lanaia -Paperscraps -Nisani201 -Adam4167 -Cwave -Cyber_Cheese -RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case) -MidnightGladius -Maverick32x
Players that lurked until few moments ago: -Zephird -zelblade -blubdavid -Bluelightz -Dirk Hardpec
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking.
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On March 19 2012 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:57 phagga wrote: I think claminig items is not a good move at this point. As Drazerk's role showed there are 3rd parties and perhaps even scum out there that are dayvigs, it will be easy for them to get certain items if they need them. So I'd rather if people hold back with their item claims for now.
I can agree with that, Drazerk's flip already showed a 3rd party that needs Gonzaw's item, we'll have to hope that he was the only player that needed it. Pretty bad move by Gonzaw, nobody was going to kill him before he said that lol.
The Destabilization Engine seems like a pretty important item, but I don't know if it's that powerful or not, perhaps it is. I think it is safe to assume that some people may want this item, but I thought town (and maybe other town roles) would be better if I gave you guys knowledge about this item in the first place. It is also possible, that even if someone tries to kill me, that I'm protected as well. Don't worry though, it's not like I told you guys this JUST to attract a medic's attention I already explained my reasons.
On March 20 2012 01:54 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote: Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking:
Currently lurking: -Mr Wiggles -Kitaman27 -Ghost_403 -Blazinghand -sinani -Lanaia -Paperscraps -Nisani201 -Adam4167 -Cwave -Cyber_Cheese -RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case) -MidnightGladius -Maverick32x
Players that lurked until few moments ago: -Zephird -zelblade -blubdavid -Bluelightz -Dirk Hardpec
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking. What is your definition of lurking, please? There are people on this list that have over 2 filter pages worth of ingame posts (and not only filler) and just were not active in the last 18 hours. I do agree with a huge part of the list though.
Well yeah, I'm talking about those that didn't post, or posted very little since after the lynch and some time before it. At least that's a list of players that haven't posted enough to my liking.
@Zephird: Well, you kind of fitted (sp?) this definition above I think. But don't fret it, there are people that are doing it WAY worse
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On March 20 2012 03:34 MidnightGladius wrote: Gonzaw, your lurker list is incredibly vague, because it encompasses such a wide range of posting behaviors. It masks the players who have been truly lurking and not contributing, and it casts doubt on such a large number of players that it doesn't really help to narrow down suspicions.
The point of my list wasn't to make a heavy analisys on who was lurking, and how they did it, etc.
I made it to point out how many people were not active and participating in the thread, and how it means it's likely many mafia are in that list, mainly because that list compasses like 3/4 of all players in the game.
I agree with Jay, there are better targets than Dirk.
Cwave would be a better target IMO, same as C_C, perhaps sinani/Bluelightz.
If Foolishness doesn't step up his game later, then I'd want him dead by N2 (vig preferably so we don't waste a lynch) Same as kitaman and Wiggles really.
If these "strong veteran players" don't start upping the game, then they are very likely mafia and a waste to us, so don't be afraid to kill any of them just because of their reputation.
Really, when I saw the player rooster initially I thought this game would be blossoming with activity from all veterans, instead I find out that me and Jayjay are basicly the most active players here (including tiny bits from other players as well). That's disappointing to say the least.
I guess Adam falls under this too.
@BH: Why is it that here in TL, people put under pressure just don't read the thread at all, ignore everybody and post one-liners about some irrelevant, off-topic or uninteresting stuff?
*sigh*
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For fucks sake Blazinghand stop clogging this thread up with overly-aggressive bullshit and misdirection (and possible strawmen).
You didn't really do much on D1 except for being very aggresive, voting C_C, pointing out that shitty zelblade thing, and then just voting Drazerk like everybody else.
Now you come here all-selfrighteous and shit about how you are the most pro-town player, and the first thing you post is a seemeingly random aggressive response to another player instead of reading the thread and respond to pressure applied to you, and posting your thoughts.
Really, calm the fuck down and do something productive; and if you are ever pressured and suspected, don't act like this anymore.
You can be aggressive without being an asshole
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On March 20 2012 04:15 RayzorFlash wrote: @Gonzaw: Dude seriously?? Every time I wake up from being asleep, I end up on your lurker list to be shot into... This is beyond ridiculous... I'm almost starting to get the same feeling off you as I did off of VisceraEyes in Arkham City, where you're being overactive and contributing a lot of towny looking discussion to be seen as town...
Well, were you lurking or not?
I never said that list was for vigs to shoot at, so don't lie.
Being overactive and contributing a lot of towny looking discussion is the exact thing townies have to do to establish their innocence. I do know that some veteran players might be able to pull off that if they are scum; so if you think I'm pulling that out as scum, then please say it bluntly and point out evidence of me pushing a scum/3rd party agenda.
Regarding your Mav case, thank you for at least trying to contribute something. I'd want to wait for his response first, but I don't find your case very convincing
@Grack: I'd really hope you don't kill Dirk tonight. Even though he doesn't exactly scream townie, we can deal with him on D2, considering that at least he's willing to post.
I'd advise you to not shoot anyone tonight, and if you do, shoot the lurkers that aren't willing to post.
Did you think this was a useful post? I think this is worthless and an attempt to make your filter look big and impressive without actually being helpful.
No, it wasn't really a useful post.
Again, sarcasm (almost everybody is "lurking" in some way or another in this game, so saying that scum may be lurking is kind of redundant).
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Okay people, I'm going to uni, and I'll be back like 2-3 hours after the deadline.
If I die, I'd like you guys to pressure the "lurkers", but most of all pressure the "veterans" if they are not doing the job expected from them.
Most of all, pressure Wiggles and Foolishness, they are the ones that lack the most effort from what I can gather. I'd suggest just killing C_C, preferably by a vig shot, I wouldn't want all Day 2 discussion based on his "activity".
Also, ghost/Lanaia/Paperscraps are indeed flying under the radar for now at least, I suggest pressure on them as well, and I think there is scum/3rd party in that list of 3. I'd expect Nisani/blubdavid/Dirk to up their activity next day.
Also, even if I die I want some players to answer these questions if they haven't already:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=47#927
I'd want sinani to state why he thought Zephird was scum, and what made him change his mind (he didn't answer this).
I'd want Bluelightz to respond to this post if he has anything interesting to say:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=53#1054
Also more people's opinions on that "case" about Blue are welcomed as well..
I guess I'm not forgetting anything, so goodbye people.
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FINALLY!!!!
lol Nisani, I can't believe you invented everything town told you to, and then gave them a gun and told them to kill you lol Why did you invent a Watcher-item on N1?
Anyways, on to see the roles and shit
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Okay, gonna spend the next 5 hours reading the spreadsheets and QTs
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Yes, I want to see a whole blog about VE's play this game
>_>
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Now I see why you guys wanted Blazinghand to use his ability
Very cool
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At least I brought the DAMNED LORD OF THE RIIIIIIIFT DOWN WITH ME!!
Mwahahaha (props to kita for that )
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Why did you invent a watch ability on N1 and gave it to yourself?
Of all the things you could invent and give to yourself you chose that?
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Yeah I thought he couldn't be SC because he made so many bad inventions (for him being SC) lol
I mean if I was SC I would probably sacrifice myself rather than invent that Color Radiator that got 2 of your mates lynched. Make a day vig, give it to a fellow SC (if you figured out who he is) or someone you think is scum, and then try to talk your way out of it if they accuse you of not creating the CR.
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You could have fake-claimed something else and not inventor. You could have kept the inventions hidden from town and never tell them you are in fact the inventor, that way you can invent "Ultra Awesome Nuke" or "Death Laser Beam That Kills All Townies"; and even though people will know there's a scum/SC inventor, they won't know it's you so you can do whatever you want.
Maybe after people think there is a scum inventor, you can give a KP gun to a townie to implicate him or something as well.
Creating a Watch-item on N1, giving a Bulletproof-item (puppet strings) to the most active townie, creating the Color Radiator, etc makes it appear that you are a "town" inventor not worth it.
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lol I still can't believe Foolishness trolled everybody the whole game.
Maybe if he didn't we could have won this sooner >_>
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Pfff I was the one that did that >_>
EDIT: As you can see in the House Chezinu QT, I gave Mav the confidence to trust his reads so he could shoot Nisani in the end!
That was all me baby.
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Meh, I found Rayzor and Blue (kind of), and was suspicious of some SC/scum (Lanaia/Paper/C_C/Wiggles). But well I was suspicious of almost all lurkers too, so I guess that doesn't count too much
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lol
I think I wanted kita dead a little bit TOO much
Anyways, gonna be gone until Sunday, so I guess I'll be back to 10000 blogs from Grey
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On April 07 2012 07:19 phagga wrote: Hey gonzaw, you really thought I was sleeper cell?
Not at first, but then I thought Nisani being SC would be impossible so my reads were all over the place in the end >_>
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Wow.
Apart from Mav and Kenpachi, you grouped ALL remaining scum AND sleeper cell together (and I'd say Kenpachi was 3rd party more than town >_> ). Pretty impressive Velinath!
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How many parts does the blog have?
Or are you doing it on the fly and don't know?
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Will there be an analysis too? Or will that be in one of those?
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