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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 09 2012 19:33 GMT
#17
/in
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 09 2012 19:35 GMT
#18
Perfect timing. I am so psyched for this.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 09 2012 22:16 GMT
#23
GONZAW.

So we meet again.

Sort of.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 15 2012 19:43 GMT
#141
Thanks for fixing that. Votes at 2am sound painful

Suddenly, I feel bad for the people playing in Australia.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 15 2012 19:43 GMT
#142
sıɥʇ ǝʞıן ǝʇıɹʍ oʇ ǝʌɐɥ ʎǝɥʇ 'ǝsɹoʍ uǝʌǝ

then have to fix it. Poor guys.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 17 2012 15:24 GMT
#475
On March 18 2012 00:18 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 23:31 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, I think we've discussed Drazerk enough. He's either tellign the truth, and we can decide how we can use the information later, or he's lying, and we can ill him later. Either way, we should not waste a lynch on him. Lynches are for scum, not third party

Lets focus back on the elections. While I think Velinath and BH are good candidates, I would be ok with the likes of jayjay or zelblade there as well. There was good info that came out of that discussion, and I think the guys in it are most likely town.


I Disagree Hassy, third parties are still a threat to town and should be elimenated.


Eventually. As of right now, he's no danger to the town. His roleclaim has told us that we don't really need to listen to him, and now that we have his death-flavor/whatever, we'll know when he kills people. If he starts killing townies, we lynch him. Otherwise, I think we should leave him alone and concentrate on finding people who are a threat to the town.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 17 2012 15:55 GMT
#497
Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role:

I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 17 2012 16:13 GMT
#503
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.

##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 17 2012 16:30 GMT
#507
@JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum.

As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 18 2012 02:22 GMT
#651
@sbrubbles - in one of the important posts from the sleeper cell game, it is stated that someone stole 5 portal guns. FYI.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13516834
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 18 2012 02:38 GMT
#653
Yeah, misread your post. I thought you said there wasn't more than one gun.

Someone care to detail the busdriver effect?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 18 2012 13:06 GMT
#680
I still don't think Drazerk is scum. By claiming his role, he's put a timer on himself. It's not a question of if we'll lynch him, it's a question of when. He's got until then to kill Gandalf and get out of the game. In addition, he's removed his ability to persuade the town on any votes. We're not going to listen to him. At best, he's third party.

Drazerk is a safe lynch. Let's leave him alone for the time being, and focus on finding scum.

I'm going to take a minute or two to read up and weigh in on a Dirk lynch.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 18 2012 13:13 GMT
#681
I think we could do a lot worse than lynching Dirk. He's either a lazy/useless townie or scum. I'm running out the door at the moment, so I'll put some more thought into it when I get back.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 18 2012 16:38 GMT
#722
Sigh.

I try to lynch insane play, and it turns out he's a townie. (last game)

I try not to lynch insane play, and he admits to being scum.

Just can't win.

##vote: Drazerk
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 18 2012 16:45 GMT
#728
@draz - You said earlier you needed five items to cross the rift back into wherever the fuck it is you came from. Now, you tell us you gave away all your items to scum. According to you, that's playing against your wincon. Either you're a liar, or scum who knows he's going to get lynched. Either way, I'm okay with lynching you today.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 20:13 GMT
#1137
I leave you guys alone for 20hrs, and now I gotta read 10 pages.

brb
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 20:59 GMT
#1140
A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote.

As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 23:27 GMT
#1165
An interesting flip. Saw the Gonzaw one coming a mile away. I think it's safe to assume at this point that Kanti has the stabilizer whatever.

Velinath, were you the one to get the security camera? What's it do?

Also, I thought there was supposed to be "full role reveal on death" ie no flip.

Hosts, is this actually a no flip game?

Also, can we update the OP with the correct time?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 23:27 GMT
#1166
FUCK SCREWED UP THE COLOR CODES WHATEVER

My bad
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 23:30 GMT
#1170
I was just shocked he admitted to having the rift stabilizer. After the Draz flip, it was pretty obvious that a couple of people, and maybe scum, would want it.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 23:42 GMT
#1181
Kenpachi, why should we lynch GLaDOS over scum/3rd party/everything else that's trying to kill us?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 23:51 GMT
#1192
Except that Wheatly will probably replace GLaDOS. Then all hell breaks lose.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#1195
I think the burned to death sounds more like scum KP to me. It makes more sense that the scum would have generic death text whatevers than the power roles. None of them really scream vig shots to me, accept maybe Foolishness, but certainly could be wrong.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 20 2012 21:56 GMT
#1255
@phagga - You posted earlier that I've been inactive this game compared to previous, and you're right. I'm trying to do a better job at scum hunting this game. If you look back at the two games I've played previous, the players I've argued with the most both turned out to be town. If I see someone behaving scummy, I won't hesitate to call them out, but otherwise I'm going to resign myself to taking it easy and making sure that the town doesn't do something stupid. Seemed to work well finding sloosh in the last game, hoping for a repeat performance.

Now to hunt some scum.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 20 2012 22:07 GMT
#1257
@Midnight - I saw that you didn't think that I responded to your post. Sorry I missed your post on the first read through. Your point was brought up by Nisani and Maverick, and I addressed it here. If you're still not happy with this, I'm more than happy to discuss it.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 20 2012 22:22 GMT
#1260
@blubbdavid - And I did exactly the same thing in my last game against another townie, Chocolate.
-called him stupid and bad
-telling everyone I was willing to lynch him, but was happy to lynch other people
-said it was no big loss if he had been lynched

We were both town. Newbie Mini Mafia IV, for reference.

That being said, it is curious that Dirk hasn't shown up to defend himself.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 20 2012 22:31 GMT
#1262
@grack: I thought you needed another lemon to shoot Dirk? Why the change of heart?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 20 2012 23:18 GMT
#1271
@JJ: I'm pretty sure that Kenpachi is third party, and I have no reason to believe that he doesn't win with town. I would suspect that he's something like the Batman role from Arkham, where he can leave early if GLaDOS dies or something.

And now, I'm very hungry and a little drunk. (Celebrating the fact that my stats prof clearly thinks I know more about stats than I do based on my grade in the course. She must have screwed something up. Seriously.) Time for dinner.

@lanaia: I really want to know who you think is scum. Hard mode: Answer anyone other than Dirk.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 21 2012 20:01 GMT
#1410
@phagga: You're right, this isn't me from most of our last game. The first few days, I beat on two players mercilessly, who both turned out to be townies. After that, I cooled down for the final day, and tried to guide the town discussion, specifically by trying to stop sloosh and DoYouHas from bickering and wasting the day. I did a lot better at finding scum the last day than the first two, which is why I've been trying to sit back a bit in this game.

Now, my sitting back has become inactivity, which is something that needs to change.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 21 2012 20:09 GMT
#1412
Working on it. Trudging through all this stuff is a pain.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 21 2012 20:22 GMT
#1413
I'm more comfortable with a Bluelightz lynch than a Dirk lynch at the moment. I don't think either of them are great choices, but of the two, Bluelightz is better.

The thing that I find most interesting is the fact that Bluelightz has responded to none of the recent criticizms while he has been paying attention in the thread. Of note is the fact that he posted 20min after PalmarDirk's derp moment (here), while ignoring the fact that a bandwagon was forming against him. Townie who doesn't care, or scum who knows he's going to get lynched? Either way, that makes him a pretty decent lynch target. Other than that, he's posted nothing of substance in the thread.



Out of everyone else who's currently being voted:

Kenpachi: I'm thinking 3rd party aligned with town
Bluelightz: see above
Dirk: I'm willing to trust JJ at the time being on this one, and not vote against him today. However, I would expect better play from Palmar.

Mr. Wiggles, Sbrubbles, and Kita I have null reads on at the moment, and I'm going to go fix that right now.

If I had more time, I would read into the rest of the filters, but I'm headed out in an hour or so. I think I'll just start at the top of the list and work my way down.



@Dirk: JJ says you have some kind of town aligned power or something. Care to expand on that at all?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 21 2012 20:35 GMT
#1414
On March 21 2012 22:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, I'm not going to have time to completely finish this, but this is what I wrote. It's pretty straight-forward, so you should be able to see the same things, just read his filter. I think ghost_403 is likely scum. A couple other people pointed him out in the thread, and I noticed the same things when I read his filter.

The first thing I notice right off the bat, is that he's the one who started the silliness about Wheatley changing win conditions.
On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote:
Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role:

I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something.

The reason this is scummy, is because it has no basis in the game, and is completely based on external flavour. So, it serves only to:

1)Spread distrust
2)Cause pointless discussion and distract from the game
3) Be pointless

Then he flip-flops on his reads. I'll try to post more when I get back. =/


I'll take a few minutes to respond to Mr. Wiggles' points.

Spreading distrust? Only against Wheatly. I've played portal 2. I don't trust Wheatly. Take it or leave it.

Pointless distraction? I was trying to keep the town focused on Day 1 with posts like these.

Being pointless? I am a ghost, no sharp edges here.

Flip flop? Draz was a bad lynch, then I left, then he became a good lynch. I explicitly said that he needs to go at some point. That point wasn't before I left. Then he starts acting scummy, and becomes a good lynch. I don't see that as a flip flop at all.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 21 2012 21:29 GMT
#1417
I hate making lists. I think it's scummy. So I'm not going to. I have notes on the three remaining lynch candidates, and I think that they are all bad lynches at this point in time. If someone really wants to know what I think about one of them, ask, but I'm not going to post a list for the sake of posting a list.

I took some time to look through the first couple of filters. The only one that really stuck out to me was Zephridd's filter. I wasn't impressed with his posts thus far, they seem useless for the most part. If I had caught onto it 24hrs ago, I would have pressured him today. I'll put him on the back burner for the time being; I think bringing up cases this late in the day is counterproductive.

And now, I'm out for the next couple of hours. I leave you all with

##vote bluelightz

for the reasons detailed in my earlier post.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 22 2012 01:29 GMT
#1465
On March 22 2012 08:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

So, I'm going to actually write out why I believe ghost_403 is scum.

1Someone said that he actually wasn't the first one to bring up the possible changing wheatley win condition, but my point still stands, and even changes a bit now.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote:
Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role:

I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something.


His post was phrased in a way that I thought he was the first one to bring it up. However, it turns out he wasn't, so then this post still looks weird. It's still baseless, and still useless, but the thought isn't even original now. This post contributes nothing to the discussion, and it still spreads distrust of the Wheatley role, before we even have any idea what it does.

As well, I don't think the discussion on Wheatley changing victory conditions has any merit. We can't be 100% sure that Velinath was town to begin with, no matter how much we think so, so we need to continue scrutinizing him as the game goes on. So, him changing his victory condition, is no different than him being scum maintaining a well made facade, that only crumbles on later days. The point is that he only shows his scummy colours later into the game. The situations are analogous, so the Wheatley conjecture was a complete waste of time. Discussing it was just making posts that look like they're contributing, while they provide nothing at all.

2Next, is the flip-flopping on Drazerk and Dirk. Normally, I don't consider flip-flopping to be a scum-tell, and being on the Draz lynch doesn't make someone town, the same as being off it doesn't make them scum (depending on the reasons given). However, the way ghost_403 flip-flopped makes it look like he was worried about blending in to the crowd.

He makes these posts, saying that he doesn't want to lynch Draz, but instead Dirk:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2012 00:24 ghost_403 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 00:18 Bluelightz wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:31 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, I think we've discussed Drazerk enough. He's either tellign the truth, and we can decide how we can use the information later, or he's lying, and we can ill him later. Either way, we should not waste a lynch on him. Lynches are for scum, not third party

Lets focus back on the elections. While I think Velinath and BH are good candidates, I would be ok with the likes of jayjay or zelblade there as well. There was good info that came out of that discussion, and I think the guys in it are most likely town.


I Disagree Hassy, third parties are still a threat to town and should be elimenated.


Eventually. As of right now, he's no danger to the town. His roleclaim has told us that we don't really need to listen to him, and now that we have his death-flavor/whatever, we'll know when he kills people. If he starts killing townies, we lynch him. Otherwise, I think we should leave him alone and concentrate on finding people who are a threat to the town.

On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.

##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.

On March 18 2012 01:30 ghost_403 wrote:
@JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum.

As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light.

On March 18 2012 22:06 ghost_403 wrote:
I still don't think Drazerk is scum. By claiming his role, he's put a timer on himself. It's not a question of if we'll lynch him, it's a question of when. He's got until then to kill Gandalf and get out of the game. In addition, he's removed his ability to persuade the town on any votes. We're not going to listen to him. At best, he's third party.

Drazerk is a safe lynch. Let's leave him alone for the time being, and focus on finding scum.

I'm going to take a minute or two to read up and weigh in on a Dirk lynch.

On March 18 2012 22:13 ghost_403 wrote:
I think we could do a lot worse than lynching Dirk. He's either a lazy/useless townie or scum. I'm running out the door at the moment, so I'll put some more thought into it when I get back.


These posts are all consistent. Also, notice that he's saying Dirk is the better lynch, even after he knows that Drazerk is third-party. There's nothing wrong with this intrinsically, but what follows makes ghost_403 look pretty scummy to me.

After the lynch looks like it's pretty set on Drazerk, and Draz begins his rampage through the thread, this is when ghost_403 decides to hop onto the wagon:
On March 19 2012 01:38 ghost_403 wrote:
Sigh.

I try to lynch insane play, and it turns out he's a townie. (last game)

I try not to lynch insane play, and he admits to being scum.

Just can't win.

##vote: Drazerk

And he turns around on his read on Dirk:
On March 20 2012 05:59 ghost_403 wrote:
A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote.

As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss.

ghost_403 was still ready to lynch someone else instead of Drazerk, even after he claimed third party, and never gave any indication that he thought that Dirk was a bad lynch, or that Drazerk was a better one until these posts. Interesting to note, is the timing of these posts. These come only after many people all decided to hop onto the Drazerk lynch, and others, notably active posters like JayJay and Gonzaw, said in the last few pages that they didn't like the Dirk lynch. More than anything, this looks like someone who was trying to push a view-point, but seeing that not many people supported it, and others actively thought the opposite, he decided to jump ship and flip-flop in order to hide in the crowd. There is no intermediate reasoning for either of his changes in reads, only a complete turnaround on both of them, that seems to come out of thin air. 3This tells me that ghost_403 is conscious of sticking out, and wants to remain hidden, which suggests that he is scum, and even further, likely third-party or sleeper cell.

That's my reasoning for thinking that ghost_403 is scum, and was a good lynch for day 2. Like I said, I was busy, so I didn't have time to write this all up yesterday, and only had something like 15-20 minutes of free time this morning.


I like the fact that I've already addressed most of this post here, but apparently not well enough. Verbose mode engaged!

1) I don't trust Wheatley. What I am trying to say is even if Velinath is town (and I believe he is town, or at least town aligned), I still don't trust Wheatly. It doesn't make sense for the hosts to introduce the character Wheatly without having him act like Wheatly, which involves eventually screwing over the test subjects. Regardless of Velinath's alignment, I am going to be keeping a close eye on him to make sure that he is working in our best interests, and maybe even hold him accountable for the things seemingly outside his control which end up hurting us. I posted it in a way that presents it like it's my thought because it is. I'm basing this not off someone else's thoughts, but as my own. Can't prove it, but I'm sticking to that.

Also, you've confused "addressing" with "discussing". I never asked other people to start talking about this. These are merely my thoughts. I'm not trying to distract the thread here, I'm just making sure that other people know where I stand on the issue.

2) I did not flip flop on the Draz issue. At the time of the first post, Draz was acting as a neutral third party. As third party, Draz eventually has to go. I mention that here, which you actually quote in your post. As a neutral third party, Draz does have to eventually be lynched. However, it is far better play for the town to lynch him later in the game. Presenting him as a surefire lynch at the beginning of the day effectively kills all discussion for the rest of the day. It's far better to try to find and lynch scum, then lynch Draz later if/when that fails. For instance, if we spent the day discussing a possible lynch, and are then persuaded by a blue claim not to lynch that candidate. That is a much better time to lynch Draz.

As it happened, after I made those posts saying that a Draz lynch was suboptimal, I leave, and come back to Draz giving items to the scum team for whatever reason. At this point, to me, Draz switches from a neutral third party to someone dangerous to the town. At best, he's a liar, which is bad for the town. At worst, he just admitted to being aligned with the scum. At any rate, at this point I view him as being the best lynch candidate. He's got to go, and he's dangerous to us.

3) I don't know why people keep saying this to me. I'm not afraid to stand out, or stand alone. I expect you, and everyone else in the town, to hold me accountable to the things that I say, and point out where you think there are discrepancies. I suppose I could have been a bit more verbose in my earlier posts to show you greater consistency. I'll fix that.

If there's anything here that you feel I addressed poorly, point it out, and we can discuss it.
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#1467
And now, sleepy time. My list of people who's filters I'm going to examine tomorrow strangely mirrors the people who switched their votes to Bluelightz with no good reason. How peculiar.
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#1497
Current mood: Laughing my ass off.
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#1501
On March 23 2012 00:55 zelblade wrote:
Gosh I cant sleep >_<

Kita being companion cube might be possible, but theres another possibility you guys are missing out on.

The companion cube seems to be controlled by scum, and its highly likely that they could have posted that on purpose simply to incriminate kita. I highly doubt that hes going to make such a hugeee slip, and look at what palmar did when he realised he derped. He sort of explained it immediatedly upon realising that he posted on a wrong account. I agree this is wierd and want to hear kita on this matter, but we should avoid jumping to conclusions.


Uh, what? What makes you think that CC is scum aligned? It hasn't done anything yet, other than be amazing (by the virtue of being Companion Cube. <3 ). Until it does something, I don't think we can analyze the significance of this apparent slip up.
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#1569
Confirming item. Be back in a bit.
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#1591
@Nisani: I stand by what I said. At that point, I had nothing to prove that Bluelightz was scum. I didn't catch him lying in the thread, I didn't catch him defending other people who were scum, I didn't see him kill someone the other night, I had nothing to prove his alignment. I lynched him under the lurker criteria, which is a crime of omission, not comission. This is reflected by my post.
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#1592
Unrelated note, +1 to MidnightGladius for using the "transparent" pun. I saw what you did there.
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#1594
@nisani: Why are you do you think that I'm scum for admitting that I'm not 100% sure of my vote, and have nothing to say about the players who joined on the bandwagon saying nothing? Perfect example, our dear friend sinani. I voted to lynch a scummy lurker. He voted to avoid a no lynch. What makes me so much more scummier than him?
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#1600
On March 22 2012 06:29 ghost_403 wrote:
I hate making lists. I think it's scummy. So I'm not going to. I have notes on the three remaining lynch candidates, and I think that they are all bad lynches at this point in time. If someone really wants to know what I think about one of them, ask, but I'm not going to post a list for the sake of posting a list.

+ Show Spoiler +
I took some time to look through the first couple of filters. The only one that really stuck out to me was Zephridd's filter. I wasn't impressed with his posts thus far, they seem useless for the most part. If I had caught onto it 24hrs ago, I would have pressured him today. I'll put him on the back burner for the time being; I think bringing up cases this late in the day is counterproductive.

And now, I'm out for the next couple of hours. I leave you all with

##vote bluelightz

for the reasons detailed in my earlier post.


Any other questions?
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#1602
@Veli I did earlier, and will again. Want me to say which one, or should I keep that to myself?
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#1630
Claiming lemon. Got it late, sorry Kita.
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#1650
I want to hear Mr. Wiggles weigh in on the Ghost/Nisani situation we have going on here.

He posts a case against me at the beginning of Night 2. I respond to his case. A bit later, Nisani chimes in calling me scum (page 80 for reference). Next page, Wiggles makes some general posts regarding watching/following whatever, and ignores my rebuttal and all of the Nisani/Ghost back and forth on the previous page. Strange, considering how he's been positive I'm scum since Day 2.

(If anyone's interested, I can reference posts, but I'm too lazy to do this right now. Ask and you shall receive.)
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#1690
Wiggles, you scum.

He wants to look like he's doing something on Day 1, so he starts testing the water by claiming in the thread that I'm scum, promising a case later. A bit after that, he posts a terrible and incomplete case against me. Soon after, the full case, which is not much better. I make his case against me look embarrassingly bad, at which point Nisani picks up the slack. He makes up some BS to continue pushing me (to his credit, he doesn't give up). At this point, Mr. Wiggles realizes that this isn't doing anything other than make himself look bad, so he switches to discussing the events of last night. He brings up the whole PGO thing for no reason other than to distract the town. His next three posts have nothing to do with anything other than the PGO. Again, this is Wiggles wanting to look like he's doing something without actually doing anything. He completely ignores the fact that I blew his case to shreds until I press him on it, at which point he completely backs away from it. He immediately, in the same post, no less jumps on the anti-Nisani/Sinani bandwagon.

Tl;dr Wiggles, you scum.

Wiggle's Filter



Also, totally ok with lynching Sinani. I have to go back and look at JJ's evidence of a fake claim before I chime in on the Nisani incident.
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#1708
@sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today.

I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game.

I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.)
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#1713
@nisani: In a game with

Test Subject Flux Guardian
Test Subject the Grey Fox
The Aperture Science Aperture Science Military Android
The Balrog, Demon of Morgoth, Assassinating Survivor
Test Subject Cave Johnson
Cell agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger


you're trying to convince me your role PM read "Inventor".

I don't buy it.

##vote Nisani201
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#1744
How would this prove that Nisani isn't scum?

The idea here is to keep him on a short leash by telling him what to make and who to give it to. If we let him chose who to give it to, and he's scum, he's just going to give it to a scum buddy of his. Kinda defeats the whole purpose.
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#1746
Wait a minute. All of my arguments are predicated on the idea of a scum inventor. That might be preposterous. Gotta think about that. Brb.
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#1752
Switching my vote to Sinani. I think he's a fine lynch.

Nisani is next on the chopping block unless proves he's the inventor.

##unvote Nisani201
##vote Sinani206
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#1817
The thing that held me back from lynching Nisani was the idea of a scum inventor. I think that Nisani is either an inventor (independent of alignment), or he's vanilla scum, and there's a scum inventor in the game. This is the first game that I've played with the inventor role. Is it likely that there is a scum inventor in this game without a town inventor?
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#1921
On March 26 2012 08:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member.


Maybe this is obvious, but what makes you think that? We're only down two confirmed mafia members at the moment. The likelyhood that two of them died night 1 is pretty low. I guess we'll know for sure after the next night.



I'd love to ask Veli for more info on the kingmaker thing just played. In his earlier post, he indicated that there would be some sort of list, but I don't know what for. The fact that it was given to JJ does seem weird, but I don't know what to make of that.



So far, haven't read anything that rules out the possibility of a scum inventor, but if Nisani is going to play nice, we should definitely keep him around.
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#1923
Not really sure. We have no idea what the list has to do with anything. I'm incline to think that Veli was the only townie with access to the black market, but I could be wrong about that.
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#1968
@wiggles: Your point 1 is wrong. He gave the item to Hassy, who was killed last night by the scum team.
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#1969
While toss has been playing scummy, I'm not convinced he's the best lynch at the moment. Even if he is scum, lynching him doesn't tell us that much about the other scum players in the game. Is he a good vig shot? Sure, but that doesn't make him a good lynch. Tonight, I'll start digging through the filters to see which lynch would not only lynch scum/3rd party, but tell us a lot about what's going on in the game.
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#2008


Bad for town.

Now to try to figure out what the heck happened over the last couple of pages.
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#2014
On March 27 2012 05:11 blubbdavid wrote:
yesyes kita... and now what did you do with GONZAW?


Gonzaw was killed by the Lord of the Rift. kita kills people with fire. Wasn't him.
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#2015
Also, kita, I'm assuming you win with town?
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#2022
On March 27 2012 05:27 Nisani201 wrote:
wait, I just remembered that votes don't matter. Jayjay decides the lynch.

I think we should lynch into the color radiator. Starting with Dirk.


Dirk is a terrible place to start. I doubt he's a sleeper. It doesn't make sense from a balance perspective to give the sleepers access to a mason. Town mason or scum mason? Not sure yet.

Wiggles or blubb are the best two options IMO. Both have pushed crappy cases throughout the entire game, and more or less immediately dropped them when pressure was applied.

@nisani: how would third party show up on the color radiator? Would they come back town or what?
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#2093
If you do change cores, don't tell us. It would be better to keep the scum guessing which power you have at the moment.

I agree with phagga that tonight's invention should be something to tell us how many threats to the town are still in this game. I would word it that way so that we can distinguish between greater powers and greater powers aligned with the town, should those indeed exist.
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March 28 2012 14:29 GMT
#2097
@JJ: The problem with that is there aren't a lot of not townies with the same alignment left in the game. We have one or two cell, one or two scum, and up to three third parties left. Chances of hitting two people with the same alignment is pretty low.
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#2100
I would much rather have some kind of invention that knocks one of the factions out of the game. If we could eliminate either the scum team or the sleeper team, we can limit the number of KP against us during the night. Either that, or something that helps us to identify anti-town third parties. We have no tools to find them at the moment, and this is going to become a problem soon.
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#2103
That's actually a really good point. I fully support any invention that gives the town more lynches/kp/dead scum. Dragon is going to be hard to hunt, as he hasn't done anything yet, best of my knowledge. I would assume he has at least 1 kp. Perhaps he is also looking for the dEngine, like Draz, and was waiting for a good time to strike?
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#2135
@blubb: You're arguing that Kenpachi is a sleeper because he identifies with scum? What?

I believe that Dirk is the mason, which makes it more likely that he's scum aligned than cell aligned. That leaves Blubb as sleeper (I don't buy his claim) and Kenpachi as town. I don't think that kenpachi would have been trying to get us to vote glados all game as some sort of ruse.

According to last nights flip, the sleeper team still has a KP, while the mafia team has access to the black market. I'm more scared of the market than the sleeper KP, so I think Dirk is a better lynch at the moment.
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#2137
Oh yeah, whoops. Still thought, if Kenpachi was a sleeper, he wouldn't have known who the cell leader is.

Kenpachi identified Wiggles as town back on Day 1. I kinda doubt he would have been able to figure out that Wiggles was cell at that point.
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#2138
EBWOP: Still though, if Kenpachi was...

I hate typos.
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March 29 2012 14:35 GMT
#2143
Just like Dirk said, role != alignment. We've bent Nisani to our will at this point. He's being forced to help town. In addition, remember that he gave the color radiator to Hassy. Without kita's vig shot, we never would have gotten it in the first place. Food for thought.
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March 29 2012 14:41 GMT
#2145
Here's one possibility: You and paper are both scum. You give the color radiator to Hassy knowing that he is going to be killed that same night by paperscraps. Without kita vig's shot, the town never would have gotten the color radiator.
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#2150
Foolishness, Dirk is on fire at the moment, which leads us to believe that without intervention, he will die tonight. Why are you pushing for a Dirk lynch when he's going to die anyway?
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#2152
On March 28 2012 17:59 kitaman27 wrote:
I won't be around for the rest of the day, but I would advise not visiting Mementoss or Palmar unless you want to end up like willz.


I'm assuming that this means he lit Dirk on Fire, but he didn't explicitly state that this is his night action. Not sure how to interpret the Mementoss part of that comment.
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March 29 2012 21:13 GMT
#2171
@JJ: Nisani and Foolishness can't both be scum. We've already killed two sleepers and two scum. Kita's list had two sleepers on it, one scum and one townie. We killed one of those sleepers, leaving 1/1/1. Assuming there are four scum in total, one of the two of them have to be on that list. Therefore, Foolishness and Nisani are not both on the same scum team.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 29 2012 21:40 GMT
#2174
Yeah, that's a good point.

Should that be the case, I can definitely see Foolishness and Nisani on the same scum team.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 29 2012 21:50 GMT
#2176
...I don't follow.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 29 2012 21:56 GMT
#2179
Yeah, just figured that out. Gotcha.

Too bad, that would have been a nice package.

I don't think Blubb is a bad lynch, but it's way too early in the day for me to cast a vote.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 29 2012 22:52 GMT
#2181
That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is let's not agree on a lynch candidate now and scrap the rest of the day.

Also, food for thought: sleepers have a KP, scum have access to the black market.

Which is too bad, because my gut tells me Dirk is scum, and I think it would be wiser to leave him to die to kita's flames. I don't think a mason would have any kind of inherent ability to negate KP, and I don't think the KP have a medic. Last time Dirk was protected from the flames was due to mementoss, and I don't see him doing that again.

Mods: Can you add Mementoss' filter to the OP? Mementoss' Filter
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 29 2012 23:14 GMT
#2185
I'm fine lynching the scum in front of us. The thing is we have two scum, which leaves us the responsibility of lynching the best scum in front of us. We know Dirk is the mason, which means he most likely has no other powers. Blubb, on the other hand, could be anything.

I would guess that it's the scum on the black market, as the sleepers killed someone last night. I would guess that the scum used their item from the blackmarket yesterday instead of their KP. Also, Midnight told us that there weren't too many people on the black market. Since the scum used the black market item (again, I'm guessing), I'm assuming it's them that has access to it.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 30 2012 16:09 GMT
#2203
I'm pretty happy with what Nisani said.

Blubb, you've acted scummy all game and I don't buy your claim.

##vote Blubbdavid

For the record, I've got my money on him flipping sleeper. Anyone else want in on this action?
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 30 2012 16:45 GMT
#2206
Well, blubb, you've still got some time left to change my mind.

Kita used the color radiator on Kenpachi, Dirk and you. I would say it's pretty well established that Dirk is scum. In order to convince me not to lynch you, all you have to do is convince me that Kenpachi is scum as well.

Side note: while no one has asked you to do this, I think any reasonable townie in your situation would have done that starting when Kita revealed those results. Instead, you claimed more or less VT and told us that JJ has to be scum. Not impressed.

But! You still have time. Good luck!
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 30 2012 17:56 GMT
#2209
On March 21 2012 15:44 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 15:31 Bluelightz wrote:
Fuck, answering to kita

Town:
Paper - Not really active but points out alot of stuff and shares his reads.

Grackaroni - Active, Contributes to the discussion, Town.

Scum:

Kenpachi - For reasons in my so called "case"

Dirk - As everybody has explained

Null:

Everyone else

People on my scum list I have no problem to lynch.

What? that wasnt even a "case"
It was a collage of Kenpachi posts

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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 30 2012 17:58 GMT
#2210
He said that to Bluelightz, but the same logic applies here. Proving Kenpachi is Kenpachi is not the same as proving Kenpachi is scum.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 31 2012 13:59 GMT
#2239
I agree with JJ: Waste the shot. We can't afford for the gun to kill two townies. Dirk and Kenpachi are the safest two to shoot.

Of course, if Foolishness does shoot two townies, we have tomorrow's lynch sorted out.

As far as tomorrow's item, Adam's idea isn't terrible, but I don't see it being that helpful. We have probably two sleepers left, who cares what their role PMs look like. All we need is something to find them. Another color radiator wouldn't be terrible, but I'm sure we can think of something better.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 31 2012 14:43 GMT
#2241
No, the gun doesn't go off unless the two people shot are of different alignments. I think.

Also, Kenpachi, if/when Dirk dies and flips scum (and I'm sure he will), seriously considering voting Glados. I'm assuming you still can't tell us what happens if we all do that?
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 31 2012 14:45 GMT
#2242
EBWOP:

No, the gun doesn't go off unless the two people shot are of the same alignment. I think.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 31 2012 17:22 GMT
#2244
So, Nisani, what are you planning on making today?
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 31 2012 23:21 GMT
#2254


gg, gl town!
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 06 2012 14:19 GMT
#2486
Ha! Town win! gg everyone! Had a blast, this was by far the best game of mafia I've played on the forums.

Greymist, iGrok and Jitsu, thanks again for hosting!
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 06 2012 14:44 GMT
#2489
Time traveling bus driver sucked. I couldn't use it effectively without claiming it in thread, which would either A) convince everyone I'm stupid scum, or B) convince everyone I'm townie, labeling me for death the following night. Can I downvote that role?
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 06 2012 14:45 GMT
#2490
Also, tears at the fact that the Ace Attorney role wasn't ever used in thread That role looks amazing.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 06 2012 15:49 GMT
#2499
On April 07 2012 00:38 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 00:28 Zephirdd wrote:
I'll echo myself and say I hated the flux guardian. There was no way to control it without end up helping scum, and I wouldnt even know if it worked. Might as well be a VT imo. I mean, I was essntially an antikitaman role!

tbh it was too boring compared to other roles. Id be a totally awesome yugi IMO.

overall, it was an amazing setup and I loved watching the game even post death :D


It was initially more powerful due to the fact we were going to give every townie a portal gun that just allowed them to visit whoever they wanted. Unfortunatly that gave kitaman the power to kill everyone in the game at once potentially.


Don't really see the problem with this.

+ Show Spoiler +
lol
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 06 2012 15:57 GMT
#2504
Uh, you told us that you gave all your item to the sleeper cell leader. (We didn't know they were toast.) What did you expect us to do?
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 06 2012 16:12 GMT
#2509
It's a shame no one targeted Nisani that night, and somehow made Velinath more deader or something. That would have been amazing.
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