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Since I have a town read on JJ54 and he has no reason to lie about sinani being a "dead man walking" im not going to support a sinani lynch today. Even if JJ54 and sinani are scumbuddies this move would be so bad so I doubt its a possibility.
Also @ Jayjay when you say next two days do you mean in game days or RL days? Assuming in game days, but correct me if im wrong
Another thing I dont like is the fact that some people are starting to vote for glados. I will state my stance on kenpachi in abit, but really? Why would we want to take an unknown risk, dealing with some sort of unknown mechanic that has the potential to screw us over. All we know is that voting glados = kenpachi with superpowers, which I dont really want since I have no idea what kenpachi's alignment is yet. I find Velinath jumping onto this glados "wagon" suspicious as hell, considering the speculation that he might take over glados or something. Sinani's decision to go along with voting glados is like complete bullshit - "Oh guys dont worry wheatly might not overtake glados and crap, so lets just take a shot in the dark and pray this is some sort of pro-town mechanic!" Dead man walking, so w/e.
Regarding kenpachi, I have, as said, 0 idea what the hell he is. He has contributed nothing besides supposedly dontating a now useless item to a 3rd party, troll the shit out of the thread, and of course make his glados push. I would push for his lynch if it was anyone else... but it seems that a few of you say that he mostly plays somewhat like this, constantly trolling and stuff. I wouldnt mind a lynch of him though, assuming we dont have any better targerts at the end of the day.
Next up comes the night kills.
Gonzaw dying was completely expected due to his (imo wierd & dumb, unless its fake which I doubt) claim last night. Seems to be a hit from the lord of the riftttttt or w/e. What is worrying now is that he has the destabalization engine, which might prove a little.. disatrious, unless his wincon is similar to barlog's.
Im inclined to think that the "burned to death" hits werent mafia hits. Even though there are 3 of them, which might seem normal considering that most of the KP is likely to be from normal scum KP (maybe not considering all the 3rd parties & stuff), the hits would be be pretty wierd since its 3 lurkers who were under pretty heavy suspision. Seems like pretty wierd hits to me, and the fact that the flip is hidden makes this even more fustrating. Im guessing that its some sort of town KP - but 3 to one person seems a bit unbalanced... Guess we need to wait a couple more nights to see.
Foolishness getting killed night 1 isnt much of a surprise considering his reputation, and whatever he rolled (considering the possibility of mutiple scum teams (sleeper cell is one)) he probably got hit from mutiple sides. Maybe mafia doublestacked him or something.
Blazinghand is a shot that makes sense considering how 14 people thought he was town(election), which is quite alot. Probably a mafia hit imo.
So, velinath. Did you do anything with the black market this night? Did you give any items to anyone?
Also, im still really busy these couple of days -.- Really sorry about this, but my schedule should be getting less hetic soon. I dont think ill have much time for today and probably tomorrow (IRL days) at least to contribute as much as I should be. I need to take some time to go read some filters, and would probably spend some time on it for a while later on.
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Oh and yes forgot to mention, but it would be great if kenpachi could actually tell us what killing glados does. We (or at least not me) are not going to take a shot if the dark toying with an unknown mechanic, so transparency might help you in achieving your aim of killing glados.
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I don't like bluelightz's. I have followed a couple of these games in the past and they seem to be vastly different. I'll bring up an couple of examples after I get home (looking through old threads on amphone is a pain). I also don't feel any effort coming from him - and he doesn't seem to be trying very hard. If bluelightz has rolled scum before can someone point me to it? Seems like all his games are as town or something. I need to take a closer look but I'm leaning towards a bluelightz lynch today. Dirk isn't a bad choice either, I have no idea about kenpachi, and need to look at a few more filters.
And it seems that my workload is finally slowing :D so I should be able to post more. My hours are still going to be different from the majority of you guys though =/
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Gosh so many errors I hate posting on a phone -.-
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Oh ok thanks I'll take a look when I get home.
And grack, any particular reason to believe that others have 0.5 kp besides hassy mentioning lemons? He could easily need them for something else. Seems weird to claim now...?
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Oh. Reading comprehension fail. I thought you meant that you get an extra lemon each cycle when you said lemons take one phase to develop -.-
Guess your claim makes a little more sense now. (Still dont like it though)
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Alright. I have read through bluelightz filter in student, but I dont think its really useful since it was his first game, quite long ago, and he was a rather late replacement.
What I find off about bluelightz is a couple of things.
1) His inactivity - lurklurk, but has time to post in another game (someone mentioned this I think?) His activity seemed okyish day 1, but it has steadily declined. Not to mention all he has done is push kenpachi, sinani and drazerk. All easy targerts.
2) This was what made me really suspicious. Kita calls him out for promising one of those lists he always makes - stating that he is taking a long time to do so. What is his response? He posts this:
On March 21 2012 15:31 Bluelightz wrote:
Fuck, answering to kita
Town:
Paper - Not really active but points out alot of stuff and shares his reads.
Grackaroni - Active, Contributes to the discussion, Town.
Scum:
Kenpachi - For reasons in my so called "case"
Dirk - As everybody has explained
Null:
Everyone else
People on my scum list I have no problem to lynch.
I have a few problems with this.
Firstly, why promise something than forget about it immediatedly?
Next, why rush to post something for the sake of pleasing someone (kita)? This list is obviously extremely rushed, and not well prepared, and this really suggests to me that you are making a list for the sake of making a list, doing to only to follow your "town meta".
Lastly, I dont care that this is rushed, but anyone can clearly see the lack of effort this list has. He lists two players as town, two as scum, and "everyone else" as null. I see that he constantly calls everyone null, but what really strikes me is the complete lack of effort put into making this list. Look at this from Mr.Wiggles MM2:
+ Show Spoiler +I'm here guys,
I think I'll go into starting my list now,
Jackal58 - Leaning Scum - He post's nothing of worth and is useless.
Paperscraps - Null - His response to my case well.... wasn't THAT good, but im gonna unvote him for now.
Probulous - Leaning Town - Has posted much content and is being active and contributing to the discussion
Snarfs - Leaning Town - He is looking townie to me but, he could easily flip scum though.
rgTheSchworz - Leaning Third Party Maybe - This post is interesting because IF he is the SK he is trying to make people thinking he's not the SK
Misder - Null - He didnt explain his lists, but he did hel;pl move discussion so, Null.
Pandain - Leaning Town - He has been acting fairly townish.
Palmar - Null - He has been posting a lot of one liners, but he could be town.
Sandroba - Null - Same as Palmar
TheToast - Null - He is looking fairly townish, but he could easily be scum.....
Adam4167 - Leaning Town - He is actively contributing and providing opinions.
A Killer Cuppa Tea - Leaning Town - He does look townish, but he has to step up and be more active & contribute.
deconduo - Null - As paper said he overreacted to paper's vote, but he could be town.
One can clearly see the difference. Here, he clearly takes the time to post his thoughts clearly (well its one line but still) on each and every player. Compare this to what he does this game - he bothers to list only 4 people. This seems really out of character to me. I could also pick a few more things, lack of colour codes, etc., but this really demostrates the lack of effort bluelightz put into his list, and generally looking over his filter you can see this being prevelant throughout the entire game.
Overall, what makes me really suspicious is that rushed list. It suggests to me a couple of things, namely being:
i) The fact that he rushed it out to simply please kita - why do it as town? I know I would take the time to make a proper list if I was going to, maybe say something like "wait abit im constructing it", not post a list for the sake of it. Seems like hes trying to please kita. I dont think town would do something like this.
ii) Lack of effort - He seems to not want to put in effort. His filter shows that he has contributed nothing to town, with the exception of a few sheep votes, and of course that horrible pretty bad kenpachi case. Before someone states that bluelightz is "bad" or something along those lines - Go look at his filter in Mr.Wiggles MM2 and come back again - he clearly puts in effort and is actively trying to scumhunt. I see very little of this this game, and the overall lack of effort suggests scum to me.
3) His wiggles vote rubs me the wrong way too. I personally didnt see wiggles as trustworthy at the start of day one, and it seems that the reason he believes wiggles to be town enough to vote for him (note that wiggles himself has not actually asked to be voted) is because of this.
Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Though I question why you'd choose to shoot less than an hour into day 1, we just got a bunch of information from that lynch. We now know there's three sleeper cell members, so that's a modconfirmed scum number we can work with.
So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting. Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people.
Note that this is after a sleeper has flipped. Also he backtracks on his vote not because someone pointed out this gap in logic, but because of drazerk's agurment here:
Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons
1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back
2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed
3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument
This had been a reply to bluelightz's previous post pushing for wiggles to be elected. Notice how bluelightz decides to quickly backtrack, yet doesnt ask about the "not the same as me" part, since it was a pretty crucial point, since at that point drazerk had not claimed yet, and him not taking a step back to question this says quite a bit. Which would mean that he felt the first two points were valid. Point 1 is bad, considering that bluelightz had enough trust in him to actually vote for him. Point 2 is easily fearmongering, and I dont think he would just backtrack so quickly based on it alone. Which makes me feel that bluelightz might have been trying to get his scumbuddy elected - something similar to "flinging shit and seeing what sticks".
4) Another minor thing is the "fuck" that he said when kita asked about his missing list. I went through a few filters, and I havent seen a single vulgarity in the entire chunk. Even when TheToast insults him rather badly in Mr.Wiggles MM2 (attached here for your refrence)
+ Show Spoiler +Oh and Bluelightz, I'm curious, have you ever won a game as town? Like seriously, I think there's such a thing as the Bluelightz curse. Any town unlucky enough to get Bluelightz on their side loses the game. What do you think? Nice ring to it right? The curse of the Bluelightz that sounds good too. Seriously, how fail are you? I don't expect you to respond since the only things you post about are when you are going to school or work like this is flippin' twitter. Can't forget the occasional completely random person that you call out as scum. It's true that you will eventually land on scum, only after lynching the entire town. Way to go buddy..
Actually the whole lot of you are pretty fail. Didn't you all wonder why you are the ones left alive? Snarfs I don't think you had a single good read this whole game. Except for Sandro, but he pretty much put in zero effort this game; that's why we had him killed. And lol how easily all of you bought that "Calling it now Sandro and Pandain scum team" shenanigans. How obvious was that lol?
There's a reason why we lynched Palmar when we did and left the rest of you alive, he was the only one making any sense. Snarfies lol at your support of Adam. There was not one good shred of evidence against him. And you led Probulous lead your right into that. HA! And LOL at the Paper thing. He was like the most confirmed town this whole game, and you guys were all FOSing him.
What is his response to this?
+ Show Spoiler +I won purgatory Nailed the angels (Nailed RoL d1 but didnt push lol, nailed jackal day 3, nailed grackaroni all game but never got him lynched )
Oh and the most interesting thing about me is that I NEVER EVER EVER got lynched in my whole mafia life Also seriously insulting me -_- I'm never playing with you again + Show Spoiler +Actually no I meant that.
Considering that that post was downright rude and pretty damm insulting, bluelightz first reaction is to laugh it off, before starting to get a little angry at it, yet he manages to keep it down without any sort of notable reaction. Really, this single "fuck" here makes me slightly suspicious. Maybe im reading too much into it, but doesnt it seem like hes annoyed that he, as scum, managed to make such a slipup? Considering that hes usually pretty jovial and relaxed.. this feels really out of character to me.
Hopefully I have explained clear enough why I feel that bluelightz is scum. Hopefully people actually read it too, since it would seem that people have a habit of skipping over my posts -.-
I have a few other slight suspisions, but im going to wait for tomorrow to push them, since we already have what I feel are two good candidates. Dirk Hardpec isnt looking too good right now either, but I have a stronger read on bluelightz, which is why I am pushing him now.
##vote: Bluelightz
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Wow I didnt realise how long that was... was trying my best to keep it short and sweet. Guess I failed at that. D:
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Dirk, I dont agree with your read on kitaman and I need to reread his filter after doing some work to come to a better conclusion.
What I would like to know is what you think of bluelightz. Considering that hes on the chopping block together with you, shouldnt you have some actual thoughts on him?
Also the fact that you have been OMGUSing pretty hard is making me suspicious of you. First on Foolishness, whose case was weak and based off thin air, and probably more of a joke if your really are smurfing, and next on grackoni who wanted to shoot you. Besides your claim of driving discussion is pretty lolzy especially if you are town, since in that case most of the discussion you are supposedly driving is in the wrong way. I dont think you are a half bad shot, and find your omgus pretty bad.
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Ill be away from the thread for abit - need to do some work and than go have dinner. If anyone has any questions just shoot and ill respond when I get back.
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On March 21 2012 19:50 Dirk Hardpec wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 18:38 zelblade wrote:
Dirk, I dont agree with your read on kitaman and I need to reread his filter after doing some work to come to a better conclusion.
What I would like to know is what you think of bluelightz. Considering that hes on the chopping block together with you, shouldnt you have some actual thoughts on him?
Also the fact that you have been OMGUSing pretty hard is making me suspicious of you. First on Foolishness, whose case was weak and based off thin air, and probably more of a joke if your really are smurfing, and next on grackoni who wanted to shoot you. Besides your claim of driving discussion is pretty lolzy especially if you are town, since in that case most of the discussion you are supposedly driving is in the wrong way. I dont think you are a half bad shot, and find your omgus pretty bad. I don't think Bluelightz is scum. I think he's an easy target that gets pushed into a position to be lynched every game because he is always very vague and irrational in his play. But he seems to be posting without fear, so that at least is pretty townie. And if you need to lynch a townie to learn that attacking people who attack you for no reason is not a scumtell, be my guest. What do you expect me to do when one of the strongest town players on TL mafia hides behind a posting restriction, and then decides to attack me with nothing to back it up? Do you think I should not explain why he's scum because of it because I should be afraid of OMGUS-ing? I don't actually care if people voted me or not. If I think someone does something that's not justifiable, I will call them out, even at the risk of looking like I'm just attacking whoever attacks me. I mostly put the speech up on Grackaroni this night to scare him away from shooting me, as I have a decent role that can be very helpful. I'm not sure on Grack's alignment, depending on if his claim that he wanted to shoot me and couldn't is true or false. At this point I'm an easy excuse for mafia/third party to kill because alot of people want my head. I'm not about to hang quietly today, even if everyone is a giant derp and actually lynches me, at least my flip will provide heated arguments and mafia is going to have to push really hard for it. I'm not going to die easy, so bring it on scum.
So you dont find bluelightz's play different from his other games? I personally dont think posting without fear is that good of a towntell, but I guess that we could disagree with that.
I personally think that whilst your OMGUS on Foolishness was somewhat justified considering that quite a few people bandwagoned you because of his weak case, I didnt really like your push againt grackoni, but I guess im going to trust JJ54's check (since I have a town read on him) and give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
One thing that I do agree on though is that your wagon today is filled with a lot of scummy people.
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Well this is pretty interesting :O
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Opinions on sending a lemon if we have one to grack, and agree on a target for him to day vig? A day vig shot seems pretty useful since most protections (well usually) are in the night. We could use his shot to clear out a lurker or something.
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I find the sudden influx of votes near the time bluelightz was hammered pretty friggin suspicious.
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And grack prefably dont shoot dirk if you have a lemon for now.
Also, I agree with adam in that wiggles is pretty damm suspicious right now, and that his posting doesnt indicate his alignment. I think bluelightz's push was pretty damm wierd, but considering his playstyle do you think he would have the balls to push his scumbuddy who hadnt said he wanted wheatly for an elected position? Personally, considering his irrational playstyle and all that its highly likely imo. Adam's post above mine brings in a few more points which I find add on to this.
Wiggles's case on ghost is pretty weak imo. I dont find anything really suspicious from ghost's behaviour.
One last thing that I find downright scummy is how he pretty much completely avoids the subject of bluelightz. His filter, whilst seemingly short at two pages, is actually pretty long considering that most of his posts are pretty long. Yet, in all of them, he manages to push several people, yet not once mentions anything regarding what he thinks of bluelightz.
I dont know about you guys, but if someone was leading the lynch ill at the very least post what I think of it if im in the thread and actively posting. I dont care that he was "busy", a one liner stating something like "I dont think bluelightz is scum, XXX is a much better targert imo, will elaborate later" or "Willing to vote bluelightz if no better targert, but feel he isnt optimal" doesnt take more than 30 seconds. Instead, what does he do with his time? He says he wants to lynch ghost, defends himself, and posts some oneliners regarding the palmar thing and rolerelated stuff. He than proceeds to go ahead and vote bluelightz after a grand total of 16 votes on him in the last few minutes of the day.
I need to take a closer look or two at wiggles filter later on, but im personally leaning for a wiggles lynch tomorrow.
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On March 22 2012 18:46 Adam4167 wrote:
zelblade, you've been quieter this game then I remember you being in newbie mini mafia III. Now that I've actually read your case on Bluelightz, I see that I have repeated some things you've already touched on. I'm not going to lie, when I saw that big wall of text, I held my pgdown key -_-
How do you feel about Dirk now after he told you Bluelightz was not scum and an 'easy lynch'?
I was starting to think that dirk's responses actually seemed pretty townie during the day. However, hes palmar, so the fact that hes wrong is already a cause for suspision. Considering that he was also wrong about foolishness (hes not scum at least), I dont think hes looking too good. Not to mention that his seeming lack of time and effort is pretty worrying. I may not have played with him before, but I have read quite a few recent games containing him, and I think his posting is pretty different honestly.
This + JJ's check puts me as "null" for now. Im not sure if its unmotivated townie or scum.
Also im quiter because I had a few exams these couple of days, + I was so wrong last game and yet managed to effectively proclaim all said terrible reads and played really badly generally =/, which is why I decided to tone down a little I guess, and perhaps consolidate my posts.
I dont find myself being particulary active in newbie mini mafia III though, and whilst my activity this game might be a little lesser, I dont really think its that big of a change.
And yea I repeated some things because I wanted to put all my thoughts together into one post for easier reading on my thoughts, but I guess it ended up too long instead -.-
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Oh and a side note: I wont be on a computer tomorrow since I need to stay overnight in school for some sort of one night camp, which means that I cant post much (still have my phone though so expect some one-liners). Will get back during the second part of the next day though.
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I dont have a lemon, if I had it would probably with him already. I agree that if anyone has a lemon they should give it to him now (since it takes a phase to develop and shit) and we could get a shot off. The only problem wiht this is grack could get shot tonight and we might exhaust our lemon supply, which might be used for other stuff..?
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I agree on sbrubbles. His town play from mr.wiggles mini mafia II (which I followed) seems to be really different from what it is now. Im need to get some sleep (long day tomorrow) so I wont elaborate much now, but basically his lack of reads, late votes on draz and blue, as well as his really low activity level makes me feel pretty suspicious. He did say he would step up tomorrow though, which I hope would happen.
Night.
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