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On March 18 2012 01:51 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Drazerk you're clearly holding something back from us.
Original win con : survive until the end with town.
New win con : Kill Gandolf, get 5 items.
Old win con: Velinath should be Wheatly because you think he has a pro-town role similar to yours.
New win con : Velinath is a horrible candidate and we must not let him get elected.
Either you were trying to do something scummy earlier by electing a 3rd party (defended by the fact that 3rd party is basically overpowered blues) or you turned anti-town and didn't want somebody who you thought had a pro-town role to win the election.
Nothing in your wincon should have made that change in your view of Velinath so you are either holding something back from us or you are just bullshitting completely. I had two choices upon my win con change - 1) Keep around and just try and get lucky 2) Claim and ally with town and hope scum or someone else does it for me What do you think someone else who has a similar role would do?
This still doesn't explain why you should have any preference towards any specific Wheatley candidate as it relates to your win con, which is what you implied.
Unless you're still assuming I'm third party because I was able to put two and two together and figure out your role name.
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On March 18 2012 02:00 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Ok jj is sane and so far he has been making the most sense out of anyone. Blue lightz your vote against Sinani is stupid. I'll probably end up voting drazerk for lynch, but for now I'm gonna wait to see if there are better options.
Also can someone please explain why valineth is a good choice for wheatley? Apparently because he "understands this whole thing" or something like that. That's complete and utter bullshit. Don't elect Velinath. I think our best option is to elect Blazinghand and kill Velinath.
Kill me? Why?
If we can find a better candidate, I'm willing to throw my support behind them, but honestly I feel I make a fairly good candidate here. I've already said I'm willing to be completely transparent when it comes to abilities that the Wheatley office receives.
I'm not a third party or scum. I'm town aligned. Why would you want to lynch me day 1?
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MG, I think you make some good points as far as what Drazerk's actual alignment is. However, I do believe that he had the Balrog role name, at the very least, from the beginning based on kill flavor.
Even given that, however, I agree that his motivations for an early shot and wincon changes are a little shady. I guess the big emphasis here is that we can't take Drazerk's claim of third party at face value.
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@gonzaw I have a non town read on Kenpachi because he's been pushing this "vote GLaDOS" agenda so hard without giving any real justification other than "it gives me a superpower". He's even trying to manipulate Drazerk into going along with it - he even says he isn't necessarily going to get a majority day 1, which I think really shows the lack of faith that the town has in him in addition to his dedication to posting a personal agenda even against the general sentiment (so far) of the thread.
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On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade.
Thoughts?
I think his claim's bogus. It's quite coincidental that he just happens to reveal that he has an item that kills two lynch votes on him right when he's about to be lynched.
That said, I don't see a problem with being "better safe than sorry". If we have someone that can take Drazerk out tonight, then that's probably better overall for the town.
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ebwop: If we decide Drazerk is a poor lynch choice I would suggest Bluelightz as a D1 lynch. He's posted nothing of value and I'm still not sure why he voted sinani. He cites generalized suspicion but never gives a reason for that suspicion.
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Grack, thanks for clearing up the whole Bluelightz thing. I haven't read him in other games much, so it's good to get that idea of where he comes from.
I'd like to hear more on Dirk before I make a decision as far as voting him, but I do agree that Foolishness made a good point.
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On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: GLaDOS
Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today.
Man, your credibility is already shot. Give us something more than this to explain why this is a good idea.
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Honestly, BH, that seems like a stretch. I would certainly not consider lynching this early based on that.
Same with your "Cyber_Cheese is scum" call. How do you get there based on a complete lack of posting especially this early? If he's lurking due to being scum, he'll have to post soon or risk modkill. If he's lurking due to something else - say, real life - well, I guess my big issue here is that this early especially, there's no way to really discern this.
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On March 18 2012 08:11 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I was hoping someone else would catch this, but I don't like zelblade's post here: On March 17 2012 21:11 zelblade wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +Another thing. I have never played with sleeper cells before, and they seem rather interesting to me. Considering that they cant communicate, does this mean that we cannot utilize links between members of the sleeper cell to nab them, or will they be given some sort of way to recognise each other? typo Taking a look at his filters from his previous games SNMMVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311554&user=240873¤tpage=AllNumerous minor typos, no EBWOPS used. NMMIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=AllNumerous minor typos, 2 EBWOPS used, but to add additional info to posts, never to correct errors with apostrophes and the like. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=AllIn fact, changing "link" to "links" doesn't even alter the information presented in the post-- it's just a typo, the kind of which you regularly overlook. It adds no information to the post. Now wait a second, blzinghand, this all seems pretty inconsequential to me. Yeah, whatever, zelblade did an out-of-character EBWOP that looked pretty strange. But that's not scum behavior at all... like why would you even make a post like that, lol. noob. you sound like a bronze leaguer to meMy god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents. I was hoping someone else would notice this, but apparently nobody did, because nobody else is a paranoid motherfucker like I am. I'd like to hear your opinions though-- do I have a leg to stand on when I ##vote: Zelblade? I think you do have a leg to stand on, specially as he made several other types which were more severe and were not EBWOPed. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 22:58 zelblade wrote:
Maybe we threaten him with the lynch is he randomly fires again? Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 22:53 zelblade wrote:
Wait a sec just looked at LOTR... wasnt barlog a fakeclaim by a scum player? Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:
Care to claim your previous and current wincon than?
I dont like MG's and Grackoni's VT claims, since this is a highly themed setup and its quite possible that VT doesnt exsist
the last two are even from the very same post where he EBWOPed the "link" typo. Why fix only the "link" one and not the other two? It might be a bit of a stretch, and I don't think it justifies a lynch already, but it's noteworthy.
The one thing that stands out is that "link" to "links" is the only one of those typos that actually changed the content of the sentence (which is something that was brought up on the last page). Does that mean anything? No idea, but it should be noted anyway.
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On March 18 2012 09:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:22 phagga wrote:On March 18 2012 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 18 2012 09:04 phagga wrote:
For the election, Blazinghand is a valid candidate, Velinath might be as well. However, I still feel we will have the need to get rid of Wheatley somewhere later on, so I'm not sure if I want to send a competent townie on the post. As someone else mentioned, perhaps vote one of the lesser players for that role. I will therefore hold my election vote back for the moment.
Ah yes you're right an incompetent guy is the right guy to give power to I just want to avoid that we are giving one of the better players this role and one day later we have to vigi him because he suddenly turns against town. there are people in here trying to kill GLaDOS. Have you played the game? After GLaDOS gets put in a potato, Wheatley runs the show, and it's not a good thing. That's what I'm afraid of. Fair enough. I still consider the chief goal to avoid electing a power role to Wheatley. We want someone as (rule-wise) worthless as possible, since if he turns, we won't lose hard assets for the town. I also thing we want someone who's definitely town. So... me. Another thought (and I'm not sure this will work) is that we could just never kill GLaDOS, and Wheatley won't turn evil?
So if you're arguing that we should vote you on the basis of avoiding electing a power role, are you claiming vanilla townie?
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On March 18 2012 10:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 10:12 Blazinghand wrote:On March 18 2012 09:49 Velinath wrote:On March 18 2012 09:29 Blazinghand wrote:On March 18 2012 09:22 phagga wrote:On March 18 2012 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 18 2012 09:04 phagga wrote:
For the election, Blazinghand is a valid candidate, Velinath might be as well. However, I still feel we will have the need to get rid of Wheatley somewhere later on, so I'm not sure if I want to send a competent townie on the post. As someone else mentioned, perhaps vote one of the lesser players for that role. I will therefore hold my election vote back for the moment.
Ah yes you're right an incompetent guy is the right guy to give power to I just want to avoid that we are giving one of the better players this role and one day later we have to vigi him because he suddenly turns against town. there are people in here trying to kill GLaDOS. Have you played the game? After GLaDOS gets put in a potato, Wheatley runs the show, and it's not a good thing. That's what I'm afraid of. Fair enough. I still consider the chief goal to avoid electing a power role to Wheatley. We want someone as (rule-wise) worthless as possible, since if he turns, we won't lose hard assets for the town. I also thing we want someone who's definitely town. So... me. Another thought (and I'm not sure this will work) is that we could just never kill GLaDOS, and Wheatley won't turn evil? So if you're arguing that we should vote you on the basis of avoiding electing a power role, are you claiming vanilla townie? No comment. You MUST be aware that asking/answering that question is a bad move for town.
I feel like you kind of made it an issue with your last post.
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ebwop: On a completely unrelated note, if lurkers are still lurking at the end of the day, I see no problem vigging them, if only to increase the proportion of active, contributing players. Not having to worry about noncontributors (people who, by nature, are difficult to build cases on) means that we can scumhunt among an easier set of players to scumhunt in.
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Don't waste the lynch on a lurker, IMO. We have a known third party, and we can vig lurkers as discussed earlier.
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On March 19 2012 00:27 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 00:25 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 19 2012 00:23 Drazerk wrote:On March 19 2012 00:21 Hassybaby wrote:
Jayjay, there's one bit you're forgetting though. If Drazerk is lynched then there is a small chance his items go to scum, just because it a roll of the dice and they could vote him to have a throw
If he's vigged, then a town gets the items Small chance? I guarantee you all the scum / third party are lynching me because of how easy it is if we all vote you then town has like a 65% chance or so. We don't know how many town there are as it is a closed set up. 4 super third party 4 sleeper cells 4+? scum Then you have all your lurkers etc and people who won't vote me so your looking at around 10% of them going to someone useful at best
And if you have an item that kills 2 random people that vote-lynched you, and it's mostly TP/scum voting for you as you're theorizing...well, personally speaking I'm fine with losing 3 non-town-aligned people early (assuming your theory's true which I honestly doubt)
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On March 19 2012 01:21 Drazerk wrote:
I've traded the items to the cell leader who nicely contacted me.
See what you have done
Excellent now we have absolutely no reason not to lynch you
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On March 19 2012 02:23 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Voting Drazerk for obvious reasons.
Electing Velinath over BH because BH could be scary as the role and I felt like he was getting some random votes at the start which helped dissuade me from voting him. Velinath seems active and transparent and it's hard to do that as a new player if you are anti-town. He is the planetary dragon T_T
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm just going to assume this is still your thing about how I must be third party. I've already explained how your reasoning doesn't work there.
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On March 19 2012 02:26 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:25 Velinath wrote:On March 19 2012 02:23 Drazerk wrote:On March 19 2012 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Voting Drazerk for obvious reasons.
Electing Velinath over BH because BH could be scary as the role and I felt like he was getting some random votes at the start which helped dissuade me from voting him. Velinath seems active and transparent and it's hard to do that as a new player if you are anti-town. He is the planetary dragon T_T I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm just going to assume this is still your thing about how I must be third party. I've already explained how your reasoning doesn't work there. Yeah your arguments didn't work up and I had the cell leader DT scan you 
Alright, now I know you've been lying basically the whole time, because I've stated before (and will again now) that I am town.
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On March 19 2012 02:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:25 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Voting Drazerk for obvious reasons.
Electing Velinath over BH because BH could be scary as the role and I felt like he was getting some random votes at the start which helped dissuade me from voting him. Velinath seems active and transparent and it's hard to do that as a new player if you are anti-town. is he new? if so, your reasoning makes perfect sense... what do you think about daaz saying he's the dragon? last taunt? He can correct me if I'm wrong but I think his only other game was student and he acted transparently in that game as well.
My only completed game to date is Student Mafia, yes.
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ebwop: I am currently playing in SNMM VIII however
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