On March 17 2012 10:52 Janaan wrote:
EBWOP: At the minute, I don't have any comments on the case on Nova_Terra or his defense, but it is interesting. If Velinath has more to say later about Nova's defense, I may have something to say about that.
Yeah i'm on the same place as you, I read Velinath's case thoroughtly throughout the day and I don't have anything to add at the moment other than this post.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2012 06:45 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote + And by the way, Nova gets mad and makes a case for anyone who says anything about him. He flips his mind every time a new argument is made, just following the flow of the thread. Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 06:24 Gossemerr wrote:
Additionally, the evidence that Ele, Me, and Infero are related is just as bad as you say my evidence that Nova, Phagga, and Janaan are possibly related.  .... Wow, i actually dont know what to say. I feel offended by this, the first time i've felt offended by anything on the internet in some time. Can you trash me a bit more here? Back up your defense. I've made a total of 2 cases in the game, one against cosine to make day 1 conversation, and one against you(which includes ele and inferno). other than that, i have pointed out suspicious things in peoples play while noting that it wasnt an accusation, and in most cases, people agree. I got mad once, and said it. thats it. I most certainly do not make a case for anyone that said anything about me. actually, until now, i feel that you, ele, and inferno have barely pressured me, and if you did, i barely noticed it. and you guys are my one good case. once again, back up your defense. the evidence that you, ele, and inferno are related is not bad, it easily could make logical sense. also, i believe that i was the first to call janaan's questioning out, whereas you didnt do anything to pressure ele or inferno in any way. When i see a logical argument, i go through filters and see what makes sense. its not flipping my mind whenever a new argument is made, its genuine curiousity for the argument and if it agrees with the filters than it could work. Lastly, This, meaning TL Mafia in general, doesnt take that much of a time committment. you dont have to be on here half as much as me to still be an effective and active player. most of the time, i just check in quickly. If you cant make a committment to like 45 minutes to 1 hour of time in 1 day, i dont see why you would join a highly interactive co-dependent game like this. How rude.
All these OMGUS moment since the start of the game from him really bothers me and make him feels really scummy in my eyes. These are part of the reason why I jumped on his case after the death of Scrubbles, During day 1, he was the most suspicious to me because of that.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 04:14 Nova_Terra wrote:SeviroSeviro starts the game off by posting analysis regarding lynching day 1. He also says that he is 100% against a random lynch. Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up  I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies. But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though His next post attacks my FOS, but agrees that it is suspicious of cosine. Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 04:43 Seviro wrote:On March 12 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Isnt that exactly what i said? i just want him to start posting and defend himself. I dont/didnt consider FOS a big commitment, sorry if i confused anyone and made it seem like i was gonna vote him. i still think hes totally suspicious for all the things i just said.
Yeah sorry, I just thought that FOS someoned base on a single post was a bit over reacting but I understand that you were in fact just stating that he was suspicious and as the day pass I agree more and more since he didn't post since then. Right now it's hard to make a decision though because there is many people that didn't post yet or if they did they just stated their position on the "no lynch/random lynch topics". We need more contribution to not make a mistake on our first lynch (if we decide to lynch that is) Essentially says that FOS based on 1 post is suspicious but agrees with me that he was suspicious for not posting, which was my entire point in the FOS Then goes on to state that its hard to make a decision due to inactivity, then states that more contribution is needed His next post then states the obvious that cosine is getting more and more suspicious as time passes, more fluff After this he does some more analysis on lynching/vs no lynching. Bringing up more not so important issues. Then he feels the need to clarify his first post to make sure we aren’t thinking that he doesn’t want a lynch day 1 and explains it as him wanting to make sure we discuss it first. Then he agrees with a FirmTofu lynch and notes his own suspicions on him, further adding to the bandwagon. Then adds “helpful” fluff making sure that people vote right. In his next post, he brings up koritora being contradictory, possibly trying to make him seem a bit suspicious. Then expresses sadness at tofu dying, and states finally that we should wait for the mafia kill to get information (leading up to his next post maybe?). + Show Spoiler +On March 14 2012 14:13 Seviro wrote:GG sbrubbles, be sure that we'll avenge your death. At first I was like why kill him, he was not really active, did not really help the town the first day and I didn't see him being a threat for anyone. Now after looking at his filter, his death give me some pointers. First, only 2 post of him contain some sort of analysis/suspicion. + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote:
Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late!
It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more.
On March 12 2012 23:29 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 14:58 Nova_Terra wrote:On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote:
Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late!
It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more.
What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas. You didn't accuse him? Short of actually voting for the fellow, threatening to vote for someone is as accusatory as it gets: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 01:57 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies. But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though Yeah, it was a funny coincedence that he posted that right before i woke up. i also pointed out the post before how the suspicion should also be on me. The thing is though, his post was extremely messed up and seemed very scummy. i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything. On March 12 2012 01:59 Nova_Terra wrote:
EBWOP: and if cosine doesnt post and we dont get any other leads i feel that he would be a good lynch candidate.
Also, why so angry? Why do you insist (once again) on explaining the motives for your change of atitude? I pointed out that you were quick to turn defensive (or frustrated, as you say) when you were called out on it and it is my opinion that this is suspicious behavior, but that this doesn't matter for now because it is not worth it to push on a talkative (potential) mafia because there will be plenty of time for you to slip up later on if you really are scum. Now your answer is to threaten me, calling me suspicious? Anyway, question here: if the we agree to lynch a lurker, how are we gonna go about it? Bandwagon on the first non-replied accusation? At this point, besides Elean, we can consider a Inferno as a lurker. His post may not be contradictory like Elean (as in, he doesn't call himself worthless and suggests himself to be lynched), but he also hasn't contributed to the thread. Firmtofu looked like he was gonna participate but also hasn't said anything. In both of them, he state his suspicion on the early behaviour of Nova_Terra, maybe he was on something here. So I looked up Nova_Terra's filter and noticed so good thing. + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 14:58 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote:
Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late!
It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more.
What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas. In this one, he confront Scrubbles after he called him out on his early agressiveness, saying that it was to have some sort of conversatioin going out but also adding that he was frustrated by the town for not agreeing with him. Then he add to not "discredit his post by calling it inexperience/carelessness" where in fact Scrubbles was in fact only giving him some sort of excuse for what he posted earlier. As Scrubbles said, being defensive over such a small thing is suspicious to me. He then end his post on a semi-random call on eleanthas by saying that he is "thinking him". This way of wording it is like he want us to start pressuring eleanthas ourselves without stating it. That one-line call bugs me out a lot. He then tell why he thinks Scrubbles post was suspicous. + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 17:09 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote:
Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late!
It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more.
I just want to point out like posts like this are scummy. Not making any “accusations” or anything. 1. Throws the blame onto others, as if I was the scummy acting one, whereas this was his first post and the point of it was to throw suspicion onto me. 2. Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion 3. Discrediting posts by calling it inexperience/carelessness 4. Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious. As you can see, these are all things that one may notice when reading a guide as to how scum should play. Show nested quote +1. Throws the blame onto others, as if I was the scummy acting one, whereas this was his first post and the point of it was to throw suspicion onto me. Why would Scrubbles throw the blame on him when he was not even targetted at all. I mean it's not like Scrubbles was our main target and he wanted to put the spot on another one whereas it is exactly waht Nova_Terra is doing by turning his post against him. Show nested quote +2. Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion. He is dodging the fact that Scrubbles want more explanation about his early FOS by implying that there is nothing more to add and that Scrubbles is just wanting to bring up old discussion whereas it was legitimate of him to want some more since he was not convince of his innocence yet. See point 2, that is exactly what Nova do. Show nested quote +4. Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious. What he did before on Eleanthas. Also, that was not what Scrubbles was doing he just happen to have come online after the veil of suspicion was lifted on Nova and he just wanted some clarification. Show nested quote +As you can see, these are all things that one may notice when reading a guide as to how scum should play. So well at this point pretty self-explanatory. Finally I will quote myself. + Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 08:36 Seviro wrote:Oh god i'm late to the party today, Real life can be a whore Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 06:34 Nova_Terra wrote:
Okay, gossemerr, read the post above. I dont feel that a lynch on firmtofu will have any non-town results.
This is not trying to lynch you. I apologise for being so wishy washy and understand why people may not like this decision.
Unvote: FirmTofu
Vote: Gossemerr
I think you would be better voting for a no lynch because voting randomly for someone like this seems a bit scummy in my opinion but i guess you just didn't notice that you could just vote no lynch I think by voting on someone else since Tofu was most likely dead anyways, he wanted to not be associated with his death since he knew he was a townie (if he is a scum of course) and that kind of worked. + Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 22:48 phagga wrote:So, the bandwagon on FirmTofu was rolling to easy. There was no opposition. As scum profits from mislynches, I am sure we will find at least 1 if not 2 scum on the voters of FirmTofu. Here's the final voting stand on FirmTofu again: FirmTofu (7): phagga, Eleanthas, Janaan, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Seviro, cosine, Janaan: He agrees on FirmTofu, and brings up Koritora as new suspect after the lynch with good reason. Does not look suspicious. Gossemerr: Trying to be active and helpful, lacking some content. Went a bit overboard with the "specific scenario" argument vs Nova_Tera IMO, but I think that's not an issue. Also brought up that noone is defending FirmTofu, although he again was not the first one to do so. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. Mementoss: Very active, posting analysis. Brought up Eleanthas, stated his position on several players. Does not look suspicious. Seviro: another rather active player, although content may be debatable. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. cosine: He speaks out several times vs a lurker lynch on Day1, but then jumps easily on the FirmTofu bandwagon to lynch a lurker. Besides defending himself, he did not add anything substantial. I don't like that. Eleanthas: His posting is still lacking, he actually only reiterated the wordings of others. His only longer post is this one: Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 01:57 Eleanthas wrote:Ok. Sorry for not responding. Saw discussion towards me at school with my phone, but really hard to write anything with it so decided to wait untill I come home. Anyway have been busy atm. Will change now. 1So what Can i say about first post. It was really just a post to tell people I'm alive. In some forums, you get replaced if you don't speak on first half of day, so I guess I followed that rule there. Had really nothing to say. Just plain stupid first post from me. 2About Nova_Terra: He seems eager to accuse anybody scum if given even a small chance. I guess he is trying to presure players to talk to get discussion going on. Doesn't seem too scummy for me, but have to keep eye on him. 3So what I think about InfernOokami7: On March 12 2012 08:40 InfernOokami7 wrote:
I'm not 100% in favor of a no lynch on day 1 as long as there is a reasonable amount of suspicion for someone. I just didn't see the point in voting to lynch someone if the reason wasn't there because instead of just giving the mafia a free pass for the night, you're giving them a 2 for 1 deal instead. beside that post he has 4 post saying pretty much same. I guess he is trying to lurk by stating same thing in many posts. Would like to hear about him. 4And lastly about FirmTofu: Like many others pointed out FirmTofu posted 2 fast posts. Seems kinda suspicous to me. Telling to pick one of the lurkers and listing them and then vanishing. If we don't hear about him, my vote is gonna go for him. 5
##Vote FirmTofu 1 + 2 Apologizes for not posting earlier, then calls his own first post stupid, although the post itself was not that bad. The fact that he did not post more after this short oneliner was bad. 3 Seviro, Mementoss and Sbrubbles already pointed out the exact same thing. Actually, just take a look at Mementoss phrase: Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 02:33 Mementoss wrote:
I agree with this post, it seems NovaTerra is eager to FoS despite how early in the game it was, which seems a little suspicious. But, it is most likely just a pressure play, to get the discussion rolling, and people talking. Eleanthas post is the same content with different wording. 4 Was brought up in a similar form by Mementoss. 5 Was brought up by pretty much everyone active in the thread at that time. So, he actually said nothing. The comments on each of his 3 "suspects" are really short and only repeat thoughts brought up by others. For me, he is one of the more suspect persons in the game. ##FoS: Eleanthas in his post Phagga write a global analysis of everyone that vote for the lynch without touching to those who didn't. If I'm correct, that was quite a nice play from Nova. So Nova_Terra I can't wait for your answers. That said, I'm going to bed ##Big FOS:Nova_Terra Seviro constructs a WIFOM case to make me seem suspicious and to mislead us after leading up to it with his “waiting for mafia kill” post. Then he makes sure to note to phagga that he is analyzing, like a “see im doing something useful” gesture. Then he pulls the “Im new that’s why I didn’t know WIFOM was bad” card when his case wasn’t received as well as it could have been. He later states that the case on lurkers is a “hard one” as we cannot tell if they are town or scum. Oh really? Then he agrees that the Im new kind of post isn’t okay. Then he provides a reason for him not voting yet, in essence providing a reason for not pointing a finger yet. Then, suddenly, Seviro uses Backwards WIFOM, suddenly understanding the exact opposite side to the case he had made versus me, and uses it to put down Ele, another townie, as his vote. Then he posts fluff on how he messed up on math. Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 05:51 Seviro wrote:On March 16 2012 04:59 Nova_Terra wrote:
@ Velinath
I put my vote onto Gossemerr because i find that in his posts, he is the most dangerous player out of the three. I find that his posting has some qualities that make his arguments seem plausible and valid, and shares his ideas/information (when he has any) in the most comprehensive manner out of the three, which is why i find him more dangerous. While I agree on that, I feel like if he flips town we would lose a big contibutor of the town whereas if we lynch Eleanthas there is 2 possibilities: 1. he flips Town and we lose a semi-lurker that didn't help the town at all since the start of the game 2. He turns out to be indeed scum which then we can safely say that Gossemer is most likely a scum as well. I feel like Eleanthas is the safest lynch for today, hence my vote. As for the third possible scum, I don't have a clue yet but if these two are indeed scum that would make it much more easier to find him based on their post. Now he pulls something interesting. He doesn’t want to lynch gossemerr because we would lose a big contributor to the town instead of a lurker, and that if Ele turned scum, Gosse was likely scum. Imagine this from a scum point of view, if Seviro was scum. Seviro could be saying that he wants to lynch a townie instead of his mafia ally, Gossemerr. and not only in a way that excuses him voting for ele, in a way that makes Gosse seem more innocent when Ele flips town. He further defends Gosse moderately in his next post. He defends Gosse voting Janaan even more in the post after that, Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 06:52 Seviro wrote:EBWOP It's seem like I missed a part of my post. On March 16 2012 06:13 Nova_Terra wrote:
@ seviro, i think the same reasoning applies to Gosse. Take a look at his filter; he really isnt a big contributor. at all. he barely has more posts than ele, and spreads doubt regarding members of the town better.
in those 2 cases:
1. he flips town and we lose a semi lurker whos best case is just a few lines suspecting janaan without much reason to back it up
2. he turns out to be a scum which means we can assume that ele is scum as well, which likely makes inferno a scum.
I agree with either of the two as a lynch target, but there is something to be said for eliminating the more dangerous player first.
I will be on for another ~30 minutes where i can answer questions or change my vote (between those 2). Sorry for any typos, typing on an ipad. 1. he flips town and we lose a semi lurker whos best case is just a few lines suspecting janaan without much reason to back it up Well to be fair I think he had somthing to back it up. First, he point out that Janaan bring up his suspicion on Koritora after the lynch has been done. Had he post that before the end of the day that could have saved FirmTofu. Also the fact that Janaan wrote his post suspecting Koritora right after the night post as if he wanted to lead the discussion. + Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 14:06 Janaan wrote:GG FirmTofu I think we need to use this night phase to get some cases rolling. We don't have much to go on as far as cases go from Day 1, so we've got our work cut out for us. One thing I noticed from the votes that I found very interesting was Koritora's No Lynch vote. Here's one of his early posts: Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote:
However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies. Then he turns around and: Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:37 koritora wrote:
Well besides the fact FirmTofu has only made talk about lynching a lurker, there isn't really much else to go on. Same case can be made for InfernoOkami7. But since either hasn't spoken up lately, I can only assume they are lurking and that puts my vote up in the air for these two unless they come and contribute something meaningful. But as of the moment, I can't decide between the two and therefore going with a no lynch.
##Vote: No Lynch First he says that he's suspicious of anyone who is against lynching on day 1. Then he's all of a sudden against lynching on day 1? This seems like a huge contradiction to me. Is it possible that he's trying to take away suspicion since he didn't vote for the mislynch? I'm not sure, but it's definitely possible. I think he's definitely worth a closer look. Then, in his vote post he seem to agree with my case on you and found it strange that Jaanan protect you like this. While these accusation are debatable, I don't think that he had no reason to vote on Janaan whereas Eleanthas is much more a semi-lurker as he never really stated his own opinion about anything. And then continues to explain why voting janaan could have made sense in his next. And continues to edit his posting on why janaan could be mafia. He then jumps on board the Nova Scummy again train, and shows again his suspicions for me. Enjoy, this is also why I found Gosse leaning scum, partnered to the points in my earlier case that were not based on connections. I was tempted to vote for no lynch, but as I am starting to think that there may be no dt, it would just prolong our doom, I am afraid, and so, I will vote based on this case and my gut feelings. ##Vote: Seviro
Wow, that is a good case on me, you literraly just copy pasted almost all my filter and just said what I did in the part you quoted.
The only part where you kind of add something is
Now he pulls something interesting. He doesn’t want to lynch gossemerr because we would lose a big contributor to the town instead of a lurker, and that if Ele turned scum, Gosse was likely scum. Imagine this from a scum point of view, if Seviro was scum. Seviro could be saying that he wants to lynch a townie instead of his mafia ally, Gossemerr. and not only in a way that excuses him voting for ele, in a way that makes Gosse seem more innocent when Ele flips town.
He further defends Gosse moderately in his next post.
He defends Gosse voting Janaan even more in the post after that,
I will still say it once again, in my eyes, if both were town, Eleanthas was less hurtful to lynch than Gossemer since at least Gosse had done some sort of analysis at this point, not much but more than Ele. Basically, everytime Eleanthas was posting he was answering a question that someone posted like 1 and a half day ago and he was completely ignoring the current conversation. So i'll say it again, Eleanthas was the safest lynch between those two.
And then continues to explain why voting janaan could have made sense in his next.
And continues to edit his posting on why janaan could be mafia.
He then jumps on board the Nova Scummy again train, and shows again his suspicions for me.
You were saying that I was wrong to vote on Eleanthas since you said that Gosse was lurking as much as him and that his only case had no back up. I defended Gosse on this point to show you that you were wrong.
Other than that, you post while big has nothing in it. You never say why you think this or that is scummy you are just summing up all my posting since the start of the game to put some emphasis on me. I see that as a last resort from a scum that has only few hours to live.
Now I am 100% sure, you are a Scum
##Vote: Nova_Terra
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