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prplhz
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It's not in the queue while TL Mafia LI is so, ... Anyway, /in if possible. I'm already in Resistance 2 but it's a mini and it's already been going on for a while so I hope that's not going to be a problem. @EchelonTee You should definitely join if you want to play and have time. | ||
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On March 03 2012 13:16 gumshoe wrote: So lynching for information would be basically pointless? Yea, just like in flip games. | ||
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... and those lazy hosts need to update the player list. | ||
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Yea. This game starting tomorrow or something? | ||
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I'm surprised that Jackal58 is openly advocating that people announce who they are in PM contact with immediately. It's somewhat okay when a guy like Mattchew hides behind the "more information for town"-mantra, but I expect more from Jackal58. If player A and player B are in contact with each other and they're both town, then why does the rest of the game need to know this? Scum can shoot into people to prevent town circles this way (as Mr. Wiggles already pointed out) and that's pretty bad. You are just giving scum extra information. The PM mechanism is a town favored mechanism and we shouldn't be so afraid of it as everybody seems to be. We should instead encourage people to use it wisely. Fear mongering such as "Oh, BloodyC0bbler used this in some game to kick town's ass so lets all be afraid of PMs" is harmful, while "Be ware that people might be scum, don't just trust them because they're in PM contact with you. Use your brain." is a lot more useful for the single townie and for town as a whole. Also, Mr. Wiggles advice on "state in thread when someone rolefishes" is bad. Use your brain. If a guy asks you for his role then there's no real harm in that, both townies and scum would benefit from it. If he insists on you telling him his role while you're trying to talk about reads and analysis, then you can start getting suspicious. I'm not going to announce who I'm in PM contact with, unless they're scum. Every townie who says that they're going to say in the thread who they're in contact with is making it less likely that other people contact them, which is a bad thing. I'll probably write a list of people I think are going to be very active in this game and then RNG one of them and PM contact that guy. I didn't really decide yet. | ||
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OP was written 12 days ago. What's your excuse for not reading it? | ||
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@Caller Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler + and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds. You should shape up or you are going to get lynched. | ||
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On March 12 2012 03:52 Caller wrote: oh no no you have my argument wrong town mafia don't kill him: 0 -5 kill him: 0 5 as for the latter bit, if you can't see where i'm going with this there's no point in me continuing to explain. No, it's quite simple. You say that your job is to lynch mafia. You say that AT LEAST one out of Jitsu and gumshoe are mafia, that's at least 50% chance to hit scum if you just lynch blindly into them. You don't provide any argument as for why DoctorHelvetica is scum. This means that you don't have any reason to think that he's scum outside of the 5/23 chance that he's scum/traitor by dumb luck. Your little matrix is extremely naïve, borderline dumb. If you have some secret plan and you rely on all townies to let you go through with it without requiring you to explain yourself, then you are playing mafia wrong. You are a smart guy and you shouldn't be playing mafia wrong. I'm just saying that you need to shape up and if you don't shape up then you're going to get lynched. If you are going to shape up then cool, if not then we have a problem. Or well, at least you have a problem. | ||
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I don't think Caller is a good lynch either. The guy is being useless but I don't think there's anything particularly scummy about the way he is doing it. Even in the face of a lot of townies disliking him he's not doing anything to stop this and his lynch isn't really facing any resistance either. The only real resistance is the jaybrundage lynch which is quite bad, the guy isn't really acting scummy. He's putting himself out there with tons of dumb ideas and no fear at all and that's pretty townie. The Caller lynch seems like something that Jackal58 would oppose in his characteristic laconic, passive aggressive manner. Caller is being dumb but he's being blatant about it and there's nothing scummy about that and Jackal58 is usually one of the first to notice stuff like that. The fact that I've been on board the Caller-is-scummy-idea since the beginning seems like something that would make a town Jackal58 think everything over twice. I'm pretty sure he thinks that I'm a horrible player who only does horrible things + Show Spoiler +  I think that Jackal58 is scum. ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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Hahahaha | ||
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I just thought what you thought too by the way, but think it over. | ||
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@Mr. Wiggles I didn't read the post before my response, I saw the post, and with a big Jackal58 in it, then I scrolled to the nick and I misread as "Curu" and then I posted. The I went to read it for real and I saw that it was actually Caller. | ||
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Within a 25 minutes three people came to the conclusion that Jackal58 was scum. It's unreasonable to think that any of us are in PM contact with each other because this is so early in the day and because we'd tie ourselves too hard together to potential scum. It's also unreasonable that scum sent two players out to push the same lynch within a very short time of each other. We all arrived at this conclusion independent of each other. The idea that one of us might be scum is also unreasonable. While our cases on Jackal58 might look different, they're quite similar. They are all based on his reactions to Caller and his demeanor being off. It's a pretty strong case, only made stronger by how three people saw it. I'm very surprised that nobody is listening to us. Caller and Curu are both decent townies and some of the more skilled players this game has, and I should add something too (I hope). I absolutely don't see this as a town on town lynch, because more scum would have jumped the wagon then. I doubt it's a scum on town lynch because three people saw the exact same scummy thing independently of each other. This leaves a town on scum lynch. Node is joining in now but if we don't see more people on this lynch soon, this game will surely be living up to its name. Jackal58 is absolutely the best lynch. | ||
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On March 12 2012 09:41 Jitsu wrote: Hmmm, looking at it again, I think prphlz's reason to vote for Jackal is a much larger amount of bullshit then Caller's. For instance, you point out that he is using things such as That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum. Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it. It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well. Shit reeks. ##vote prphlz Also, LayAbout, are you still looking at jaybrundage? It's not sarcasm, Jackal58 isn't the sarcasm-y kind of guy. Even if it is sarcasm, is that a townie thing? No it's not, sarcasm just makes the thread harder to read for other people. If anything reeks, it's this case on me. You are saying that I was expecting Curu to post something. This is untrue, but lets roll with it for a moment. This means that me and Curu were coordinating a lynch on Jackal58, and unless you think that we're both scum this makes very little sense to accuse me to be scum because of it (I'm talking about the alternative the town-town and town-scum PM combos). Even if you think we're both scum, there's no reason for scum to send out two players to push the same guy with very similar reasonable. It's much more reasonable to think that Jackal58 is scum and that people noticed this. It's also very reasonable to think that you should be next lynch just for that case on me, it doesn't seem like anything to vote on but more like a chainsaw. I'm going to read up on your games to see if you have anything comparably weird in your past games. | ||
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On March 12 2012 19:00 Jackal58 wrote: Your powers of observation are fucking amazing. loL | ||
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