EPT@EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three.
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@EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three. | ||
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On March 12 2012 21:30 Jackal58 wrote: How the fuck do you know they are townies? I still don't understand how me calling Callers case on DocH bullshit makes me scummy. Do you agree with Callers bullshit case on DocH? Do you agree with Caller that anybody that called his case bullshit had to be scum? I guess you probably do Jub Jub. I'll bet your pants and hat sizes are the same. I don't know that they're townies, duh. I think it's more likely that they're town than scum right now because they saw the same things I saw. No, I never agreed with Caller's case on DoctorHelvetica, I made that clear in the thread multiple times, I wonder how you manage to miss that. Caller acknowledged this but he never called me scum so it's a lie when you say that Caller thinks that anybody who called his case bullshit had to be scum. No one complained about the fact that you called Caller's case bullshit, people complained about the way you called Caller's case bullshit. | ||
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The argument itself it quite bad. He wants to lynch me based on how he doesn't think that people misread stuff once in a while. So assuming that I didn't misread, he is conjecturing that I'm in private contact with Curu. Because Curu said that he wasn't in PM contact with anybody, he is assuming that Curu isn't in PM contact with anybody. If we are in contact, this leaves only the option that me and Curu and scumbuddies and this is Jitsu's main argument for why I am scum. I've already said why it is bad, but I'll say it again. A scum team doesn't coordinate half of their team posting the same case to get Jackal58, or anybody, lynched. That is just ludicrous. Generally, scum coordination is to stay spread out and not associate themselves too much with each other, not to orchestrate high-risk low-yield plans. Furthermore this is bad for Jitsu because; the misread argument can be applied with the exact same validity that Jitsu thinks that it has to someone who isn't me; Curu. The main argument is that Curu and I are scumbuddies. If, in Jitsu's mind, Curu and I are scumbuddies, then why the hell isn't he pushing Curu at all, but only me? Jitsu didn't even mention Curu in any of his posts outside of when he's pushing me. He doesn't even believe in his argument himself. Jitsu is scum and Jackal58 is scum with him. | ||
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I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow. @Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers. | ||
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You still suck DoctorHelvetica. | ||
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@Kurumi Can you please explain to me why you are mentioning this "Rattata" all the time and what you mean by it? | ||
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"Me and my Rattata needs friends" sounds a lot like you're the traitor trying to hint to scum that you're the traitor. You see what I'm saying? I'm not willing to consider that you're just saying this because you're insane and polish. | ||
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dreamflower personally made a plea that people stop calling it dreamflower vigilante and start calling is samurai vigilante or something like that. I don't see why Incognito and Ver wouldn't just abide her since I believe that they're nice people. This is a pretty silly reason. In PYP:Interesting which was also hosted by Protactinium, there was also a dreamflower role. This didn't work like Jackal58 is saying right now. That role only died if the target flipped town, not if the shooter was blocked or the target was medic saved or somehow didn't flip. This is a not so silly reason. Overall, everything considered, I don't believe Jackal58's claim and I still think that he's scum. | ||
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On March 12 2012 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't worry everybody, I've arrived. The game can start now. I'm reading through, but I can already tell that Caller is going to rub me the wrong way. I see we've moved past the LaL discussion, that's a plus. At a glance I'd say I'm disinclined to vote Jackal today. Further details to come. Just letting everyone know I'm here and that I'm lurking hard. Smooches. "at a glance disinclined to vote for Jackal" to On March 13 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Come on Jubjubs. COME ON. Get off Jackal and onto Caller. No-lynching is better than lynching town 100% of the time. I don't care what scum would have you believe. KILL THE SCUM! VOTE CALLER! "Jackal is town"? And how does stuff like On March 13 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: This Jackal wagon is scum-infested. Everyone gtfo. Even if Jackal is scum, I bet there are scum on the wagon. Everyone should be lynching Caller right now because he's manipulating the town. "even if Jackal58 is scum you shouldn't vote for him because I think there might be other scum on the wagon" make any sense? I have no idea why you are almost insisting on misunderstanding Caller's case. Caller implied that I was a good guy and that Jackal58 was a bad guy because of the way we called him out. I said twice that he should shape up or get lynched and that townies shouldn't go around doing secret plans. This is a very straight forward thing to say. Jackal58 is known for being straight forward. But he wasn't this straight forward. Instead Jackal58 was beating around the bush a bit and then he came out full force and voted for Caller after he saw that other people were on board too. Caller has played mafia for a while and he knows that his DoctorHelvetica case wouldn't stick because it was horrible. Scum generally don't go about executing plans like these because they can so easily backfire. Look at how people are voting for Caller actually thinking that he was being serious about his DoctorHelvetica case, there's no reason for any scum to put himself in that position. Also, he might end up outing some of his scum buddies who town would expect to go for him when he does a silly thing like this. You are saying that Caller is manipulating town but that's just empty talking. How is he manipulating who? He's not manipulating me I can tell you that. I arrived at my conclusions fully independently of what Caller said and if you think I'm town as you say in your post then you have to believe me and then you cannot say that Caller is manipulating anybody. It's just empty talking. You also weren't around during deadline. You disappeared 7 hours before and then you didn't show up again until just now. Your insistence on acting a lot dumber than you actually are makes me think that you are scum. You are also not acting in your usual inquiring and infinitely transparent way, even in the face of a relatively dead thread. I remember how you had like 50% of all the posts during one of the more inactive parts of Responsibility Mafia!. It's okay that you're not talking as much, but you're also not being very open and you're being obstructively dumb. I had your number in Responsibility Mafia!, in Hammer Mini Mafia, in Storm Mafia, I came around on you in Resistance 2, I don't really think you're being the usual town VisceraEyes right now. I decided to give you some leeway early game because you were still in another game, but that's over now. Last time I decided to give you leeway was in Hammer Mini Mafia and I know I shouldn't do this. It's quite hard to talk about why Jackal58 wasn't lynched, he was the most pushed lynch, he was a really good lynch, but people are being so inactive and indifferent that that might actually just be the reason. Town is pretty screwed if we can't even lynch Jackal58 off the work that Caller, Curu and partially I did. 20 players, 9 people ended up having votes placed on them and two people didn't vote. You guys should be ashamed of yourself. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2012 06:53 VisceraEyes wrote: This totally sounds like a post that someone who's sure enough someone is scum to lynch them posted.[/sarcasm] Notice how in this whole post, the only scenario in which Jackal is scum has six words and is buried in the rest of the bullshit. So what if there's only one line? If he is scum then YAY! Also, you'll have confirmed Caller, I'm already confirmed and Curu will also look very good. | ||
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On March 13 2012 23:17 VisceraEyes wrote: It's cool - indirect objects are a common grammatical oversight. I have to respectfully disagree. If Jackal is scum we'll know by tomorrow and if he doesn't "shape up" (you know, in the exact same way that Caller did NOT "shape up" yesterday when your read changed on him) I'll be all about his lynch tomorrow instead of you or Caller. But given his claim, if he's roleblocked tonight he'll have no choice but to turn on the town tomorrow. How the hell will we know this by tomorrow? Assuming that he really is the role he claims to be: If he just claims roleblocked then we don't know anything. If he shoots a townie then we would have been better off lynching him today. If he shoots scum then that's pretty cool. If he holds his shot then we're exactly where we were today. What the hell does "turn on the town" mean? | ||
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On March 13 2012 20:41 VisceraEyes wrote: [drep] prplhz Oh, to be prplhz and scum. To be honest I thought he was town at first - but then I got around to his push on Jackal. But I'll get to that in a second. First I want to talk about him calling out Caller. Now, Caller's case on DocH was scummy as fuck. It was baseless and made no fucking sense. Prplhz goes back and forth with Caller a couple of times, here are his posts. Note the bolded statements: they imply that prplhz thinks that Caller is acting scummy (if prplhz = town, and town lynch scum and Caller is scum then prplhz lynches Caller...simple).1 But here's prplhz' very next post. Let's take note of all the things prplhz says about Caller in this post. 1) bad lynch 2) useless 3) not scummy 4) no resistance to lynch (lol while resisting lynch) 5) scummy? 2 One of these things is not like the others - hilariously, that one thing is the the thing he was saying about Caller IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THIS POST. So which is it prplhz? Is Caller being dumb and useless, but townie? Or is he being maliciously dumb and useless because he's scum? Prplhz doesn't make mistakes like this as town. Prplhz is scum and should be on our lynch docket tomorrow if he's not dead. 1: Yes, the case on DoctorHelvetica was bad. Everybody saw this, you saw this. In my opinion only a select few people can get away with derping like that for more than 24 hours. Caller isn't one of these. That's why I told him that either he acknowledge that his DoctorHelvetica case was bad from the moment he put it forth and move on with whatever little townie reaction baiting thing he was doing, or I would push for his lynch for being more dumb that should be tolerable from a guy like Caller. At that point he looked as if he was serious about his DoctorHelvetica case and that was scummy. 2: Caller was a bad lynch because scum don't usually go around making shitty plans like that because that just makes them an easy target and gets them lynched. Town lynches people for weird reasons all the time and scum don't go around trying to give them a reason for no gain at all. He was being useless because this was before I saw his post on Jackal58 which I found quite decent. There wasn't any real resistance to the lynch but that might have been a bit early to call, it probably wasn't relevant and I probably shouldn't have said that, at least not at that point. Caller was scummy earlier on when he refused to be reasonable. I had called him out for that since the beginning. At the point I wrote that post I didn't really think he was scum because scum don't go around making crazy plans because towns lynch people for that, not matter if the plan is scummy or not. I probably should have realized this early on but I'm a slow guy. Jackal58 isn't slow. I think Caller has stepped up his game considerably since his big post on Jackal58 too, and he is not an issue for me right now. | ||
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On March 14 2012 02:42 Kurumi wrote: It's polish-french-latin-english and one word in italian. Well, I hope it's enough though for You, since You don't want to understand me. I don't really give a shit what it is, it's not English so you are deliberately making yourself impossible to understand to a lot of people in this game. This game is in English and you should be warned/modkilled for repeatedly writing posts in whatever language that was, you know this. I'm completely fine with you trolling around in English but you know not to speak Polish, especially when there's another Pole in this game though that doesn't affect how I feel about a warning/modkill. | ||
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