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On March 13 2012 06:51 Curu wrote:
I am looking at it this way:
If Jackal is Town and we leave him alive he basically has to shoot. And the probability is very high that he hits a Townie. So in this case we have dead Town Jackal, dead Town someone else, and a dead lynch target. No one to me looks obvious scum enough to warrant switching the lynch like this.
If Jackal is Town and we lynch him then we've lynched a Townie day 1. We end up with a net of dead Town Jackal and lose a substitute dead lynch target.
If Jackal is scum then yay.
I don't feel like there is another candidate I want to lynch bad enough to take the tradeoff of high probability 2 Townie deaths vs low probability scum hit in the event that Jackal is Town.
Yeah you guys go on about "omg we killed a blue" but look at what the blue does. IMO in this scenario mislynching a blue suicidal Vig is better for Town than mislynching a Vanilla Townie.
This totally sounds like a post that someone who's sure enough someone is scum to lynch them posted.[/sarcasm]
Notice how in this whole post, the only scenario in which Jackal is scum has six words and is buried in the rest of the bullshit.
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On March 13 2012 07:37 Curu wrote:
I actually wouldn't mind a VE lynch either right now.
On March 13 2012 07:42 Curu wrote:
There's only a few hours to deadline, don't let a no lynch happen. Nothing of great substance has been said or made about anyone else, put the lynch on Jackal today. Don't let a stupid last minute voteswitch (or no lynch) happen please.
HURRRRRRR
Go ahead and make contradictory statements within minutes of each other. You just advocated a mass voteswitch (me) and virtually in the same breath decry a mass voteswitch. You're so scum it's not even funny. The fact that you're on Jackal has nothing to do with it - what I have a problem with is how you are posting. Personally. I don't like your posts, not your vote. I don't like your vote either, but that has nothing to do with my suspicion of you Curu.
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Come on Jubjubs. COME ON. Get off Jackal and onto Caller. No-lynching is better than lynching town 100% of the time. I don't care what scum would have you believe. KILL THE SCUM! VOTE CALLER!
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On March 13 2012 09:25 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Caller, you're accusing VE of setting himself up to look good no matter what the outcome of the lynch is, but isn't that exactly what you're doing as well? You're trying to set up a day 2 lynch without even knowing the result of this one, nor any night flips. Also, the lynch you're pushing for, is if we mislynch, again something you accuse VE of doing. On March 13 2012 05:27 Caller wrote:On March 13 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
So Caller, you're saying that my strategy as scum is to wait until town is getting ready to lynch my scumbuddy Jackal and then come in and defend him. When he's about to get lynched. That's your "working theory".
I tried that once, and it was in Hammer Mafia. I'll NEVER do that again. I'll admit that I could be wrong about Jackal - but I would NEVER do that as scum again Caller. Ever. You're an idiot if you "think" that's what's going on here.
The fact that you "think" that's what's happening here only solidifies what I already suspected.
Everyone needs to be voting for Caller. Look at this scumslip. He already knows what Jackal is. I can think of one reason why. I specifically said that no matter if Jackal is town or mafia that you're setting yourself up to reap the reward of knowing ahead of time what Jackal is. As a result. I'm trying to stop you. You're saying that you had previously defended a mafiaso and you're never doing it again. The trouble here is, you're defending Jackal. So you therefore seem to know that Jackal is NOT mafia, and since you know his role DAY 1, this leads me to conclude that you're... Its quite simple: we lynch Jackal. If he comes up mafia, hurray. If he's not mafia, VisceraEyes must be mafia.One last thing: I don't use "think" and "theory." More false doubt... more mafia tactics. DrH, are you still around? What do you think? Like I care about my reputation. You can think whatever the hell you want of my actions, I don't give them any consideration. I just want to kill mafia. So make sure you don't slip or else i'll be on your ass like it was your first day in prison.
"See guys?! See how fearlessly town I am?! And witness my overwhelming enmity against the mafias! GRRRRRRZZZ!!"
I think Caller is pouring it on a little thick, but maybe that's just a playstyle thing. Caller is still scum. Everyone should STILL be voting for him if they're not.
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On March 13 2012 10:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
God... it's late and I don't want to think right now...
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel until I find a better reason.
wat
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Okay, I reread prplhz guys.
You can't see me, but I'm pursing my lips in disdain.
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VisceraEyes Very Valid and Logical Lynch List
Caller
At first glance, you might think Caller is town simply because he's calling people out and gung-ho about every post. I'd like everyone to take into account that there are players here on TL that are capable of fearlessly posting regardless of their alignment or role.
That being said, I still feel strongly that Caller is scum manipulating town here. Going over his posts, I noticed a couple of themes:
1) Stifling discussion
2) Sowing insecurity/doubt
3) Lining up lynches
Just take a look at his first few posts, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Remember this post?
I'd like you to note a couple of things. First of all, please note the three bolded names. We've got Jackal, prplhz and Mr. Wiggles.
Jackal and Mr. Wiggles get at least mentioned - but I'm having a hard time seeing the point in bolding prplhz. The most odd thing is, if you go back and read prplhz' concern with Caller's case, it's exactly the same concern that Jackal had with Caller's case! I mean, prplhz is slightly more verbose, but the spirit of their argument is virtually identical - Caller's reason for choosing DocH is nonexistant, and his logic is terrible.
So why is prplhz not scummy for it but Jackal is? This is a question he's refused to answer in spite of being asked. As close as I can figure it, he has a problem with the fact that Jackal didn't use the word "retarded" in his post on the matter.
Anyway, he hardly mentions prplhz again in that post, in spite of his name being bolded. Mr. Wiggles at least gets an honorable mention at the bottom for "not wanting to offend anyone". I like Wiggles, he's a nice guy. He wouldn't want to offend anyone as town either sir...that's a null as fuck point on Wiggles. But don't worry - he's only automatically red if Jackal flips red....somehow. He doesn't really elaborate on why. Just kinda says it.
Caller is scum, and someone needs to be shooting the fuck out of him tonight.
prplhz
Oh, to be prplhz and scum. To be honest I thought he was town at first - but then I got around to his push on Jackal. But I'll get to that in a second.
First I want to talk about him calling out Caller. Now, Caller's case on DocH was scummy as fuck. It was baseless and made no fucking sense. Prplhz goes back and forth with Caller a couple of times, here are his posts.
On March 12 2012 03:40 prplhz wrote:@Mr. Wiggles What's your role mate? @Caller Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler +and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is . It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds.
You should shape up or you are going to get lynched.
On March 12 2012 04:14 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 03:52 Caller wrote:On March 12 2012 03:40 prplhz wrote:@Mr. Wiggles What's your role mate? @Caller Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler +and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is . It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds. You should shape up or you are going to get lynched. oh no no you have my argument wrong town mafia don't kill him: 0 -5 kill him: 0 5 as for the latter bit, if you can't see where i'm going with this there's no point in me continuing to explain. No, it's quite simple. You say that your job is to lynch mafia. You say that AT LEAST one out of Jitsu and gumshoe are mafia, that's at least 50% chance to hit scum if you just lynch blindly into them. You don't provide any argument as for why DoctorHelvetica is scum. This means that you don't have any reason to think that he's scum outside of the 5/23 chance that he's scum/traitor by dumb luck. Your little matrix is extremely naïve, borderline dumb. If you have some secret plan and you rely on all townies to let you go through with it without requiring you to explain yourself, then you are playing mafia wrong. You are a smart guy and you shouldn't be playing mafia wrong. I'm just saying that you need to shape up and if you don't shape up then you're going to get lynched. If you are going to shape up then cool, if not then we have a problem. Or well, at least you have a problem.
Note the bolded statements: they imply that prplhz thinks that Caller is acting scummy (if prplhz = town, and town lynch scum and Caller is scum then prplhz lynches Caller...simple). But here's prplhz' very next post.
On March 12 2012 08:06 prplhz wrote:Yea, I don't know about this jaybrundage lynch either. 1)I don't think Caller is a good lynch either. 2)The guy is being useless but 3)I don't think there's anything particularly scummy about the way he is doing it. Even in the face of a lot of townies disliking him he's not doing anything to stop this and 4)his lynch isn't really facing any resistance either. The only real resistance is the jaybrundage lynch which is quite bad, the guy isn't really acting scummy. He's putting himself out there with tons of dumb ideas and no fear at all and that's pretty townie. The Caller lynch seems like something that Jackal58 would oppose in his characteristic laconic, passive aggressive manner. Caller is being dumb but he's being blatant about it and there's nothing scummy about that and Jackal58 is usually one of the first to notice stuff like that. The fact that 5) I've been on board the Caller-is-scummy-idea since the beginning seems like something that would make a town Jackal58 think everything over twice. I'm pretty sure he thinks that I'm a horrible player who only does horrible things + Show Spoiler +. Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir". I think that Jackal58 is scum. ##Vote Jackal58
Let's take note of all the things prplhz says about Caller in this post.
1) bad lynch
2) useless
3) not scummy
4) no resistance to lynch (lol while resisting lynch)
5) scummy?
One of these things is not like the others - hilariously, that one thing is the the thing he was saying about Caller IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THIS POST. So which is it prplhz? Is Caller being dumb and useless, but townie? Or is he being maliciously dumb and useless because he's scum? Prplhz doesn't make mistakes like this as town.
Prplhz is scum and should be on our lynch docket tomorrow if he's not dead.
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prplhz, I don't care what you say from this point on - you're scum, so I'm really not concerned with how you think I look.
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Oh, and the jury's still out on Jackal - I just didn't want him lynched because you scummy bastards wanted him lynched. Maybe he's scum and you were gifting him to town for some of dat E-Z town-cred. I don't know yet, because you assholes were constantly attacking Jackal for literally no reason ALL DAY yesterday.
So I'm giving Jackal the benefit of the doubt - he has until the middle of tomorrow to blow my fucking mind with some uber-town scum-hunting. If he doesn't, I'll let you gift him to us tomorrow. But you're fucking next guys.
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And for the record, now that I'm done OWNING Storm, you can expect far fewer holes in my activity. Just fair warning.
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Don't mason with scum Palmar! SWRONGWITCHOOOO?
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Vigs should absolutely be on Caller tonight.
Caller, you're either going to die tonight to vigs or your getting lynched tomorrow. I don't care which. I prefer you die tonight though so your posts don't have to offend my eyes tomorrow.
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On March 13 2012 22:23 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vigs should absolutely be on Caller tonight.
Caller, you're either going to die tonight to vigs or your getting lynched tomorrow. I don't care which. I prefer you die tonight though so your posts don't have to offend my eyes tomorrow. if anything vigs should be on viscera. i'm not sure if you're the village idiot or what but you're sure as hell an idiot.
Any other stellar observations you'd care to make before you die Caller?
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I'm just done fuckin around gumshoe. I spent yesterday watching, I'm spending tonight and the rest of the game acting on what I saw. I saw Caller claim scum and I saw prplhz act scummy. So I'm going to push for their lynch until they're dead.
I'm hoping some enterprising young vig takes care of Caller for me because I think prplhz will be a much easier pill for town to swallow. What do you think about Jitsu gumshoe? About Jackal?
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Wow, that's a relief - scum "think" I might be town. *whew*
What brought you to that conclusion prplhz? Was it my case on you or my (same) case on Caller?
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On March 13 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
If Jackal58 is scum then he's putting himself in a pretty bad position here and I don't think (or hope) that he'd do that as scum.
Is this for real? You didn't have this thought (hope) yesterday when you were pushing for his lynch. In fact, you thought he was the very BEST lynch yesterday. What's changed between then and now besides the fact that...no one has died?
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It's cool - indirect objects are a common grammatical oversight.
I have to respectfully disagree. If Jackal is scum we'll know by tomorrow and if he doesn't "shape up" (you know, in the exact same way that Caller did NOT "shape up" yesterday when your read changed on him) I'll be all about his lynch tomorrow instead of you or Caller. But given his claim, if he's roleblocked tonight he'll have no choice but to turn on the town tomorrow.
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On March 13 2012 23:18 Caller wrote:
whatever. ve i'm laying off you for now, i trust palmar's judgement. keep tunnel visioning and chasing red herrings though, although i personally suggest you look at the people i've been accusing (cough jackal and drh) regardless of how shitty you may think my reasoning is.
Aww come on Caller - I'm not laying off you because you "trust Palmar's judgement". I'm getting you killed because you're scum. But you know, feel free to just ignore me if you want...that will make it easier to get you lynched.
In the future, I suggest you claim scum AFTER you get at least one townie killed. You know...being outnumbered as you are.
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On March 13 2012 23:32 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 23:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's cool - indirect objects are a common grammatical oversight.
I have to respectfully disagree. If Jackal is scum we'll know by tomorrow and if he doesn't "shape up" (you know, in the exact same way that Caller did NOT "shape up" yesterday when your read changed on him) I'll be all about his lynch tomorrow instead of you or Caller. But given his claim, if he's roleblocked tonight he'll have no choice but to turn on the town tomorrow. How the hell will we know this by tomorrow? Assuming that he really is the role he claims to be: If he just claims roleblocked then we don't know anything. If he shoots a townie then we would have been better off lynching him today. If he shoots scum then that's pretty cool. If he holds his shot then we're exactly where we were today. What the hell does "turn on the town" mean?
"Turn on the town" means he'll have to flip some kind of switch that makes him stop being meek and actually get up in here and push for scum lynches with reasoning he's provided if he's still alive and thinks he can get away with claiming roleblocked.
And I know JUST who I'd target if I were in Jackal's shoes, presuming they're town shoes.
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Kurumi stop being an asshole - if you're town you're acting like a fucking retard. Help us find scum or fucking die.
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