Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II

On February 28 2012 09:11 Paperscraps wrote:
I am brilliant, you all shall sheep me and town will win the game.

On February 28 2012 09:23 Jackal58 wrote:

Who the fuck are you?

On February 28 2012 11:50 deconduo wrote:




Hey who are you guys?



Burn the witch!

##Vote Pandain

On February 28 2012 18:46 Palmar wrote:
dude, weren't you on my team in werewolves? didn't we win that game?

On February 29 2012 07:35 Adam4167 wrote:
/in

I like random.

On February 29 2012 15:35 Adam4167 wrote:
I've got a bad feeling about this.

On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...

1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.

2).

On March 01 2012 12:22 Adam4167 wrote:
I can only take you at your word that you're town, Prob, but if you really are, we're either both getting a win or both getting a loss this game.

Even after the Arkham city debacle, I still hate policy lynches. Ill stick to analysis for my method of finding scum.

On March 01 2012 12:36 Misder wrote:

I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1.

"Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year.




lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up.

On March 01 2012 12:45 Pandain wrote:
I was going to go to sleep but I had to say it.

Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored.
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 01 2012 12:52 Misder wrote:


And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so.

On March 01 2012 12:57 Pandain wrote:
That took a long time to post. Are you hiding something?

On March 01 2012 13:39 TheToast wrote:


I have now :D

Pandain's point is valid none-the-less. We need to avoid getting sidetracked. That's all I was trying to say.

On March 01 2012 12:57 Pandain wrote:
That took a long time to post. Are you hiding something?

On March 01 2012 18:55 Palmar wrote:
like seriously, if sandroba or I turn out to be town, you should probably just do whatever we tell you to do.

On March 02 2012 01:18 deconduo wrote:


Do you want me to show you how often scum make pointless lists in games? Its the most obvious filler you can make, because it a massive important looking post that adds absolutely nothing to the game.



No, I have no idea why YOU think its bad.

On March 01 2012 20:27 Palmar wrote:
Do you think that's a valid question Probulous? Do you honestly think I would scumslip? The obvious (and correct) explanation was that I meant post-death. ie: if I get shot and flip, please re-read what I said and consider that I may have been right.

However, the fact that you jump on it is interesting to me, and why do you do it in such a soft way? Do you actually think that I might be scum because of this? Or are you just looking for an easy opportunity to discredit me?

On March 01 2012 18:55 Palmar wrote:
like seriously, if sandroba or I turn out to be town, you should probably just do whatever we tell you to do.

On March 02 2012 00:12 Palmar wrote:
Sandroba did you roll scum or are you just doing your bored townie impression?

On March 02 2012 03:29 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
EBWOP: also, the majority of his posts had been town-sounding mechanics/theory posts which are incredibly easy for scum to make to help themselves look a lot townier (it's a good strategy!), but very little in the way of actual scumhunting, so they don't have to worry about statements that can come back and haunt them later.

Certain things are always "correct" in a game of mafia. Lurking benefits mafia. No Lynching is bad. Etc... You can't fault a guy for saying something along them lines. But if he Coles out today and says "wow, X is so totally townie"'and X later flips scum, it'll be held against him. By actively posting "correct" mafia theories, it's easy townpoints to be gained.

On March 02 2012 08:26 Pandain wrote:
AKCT hasn't done anything scummy. At least not anything that we can pinpoint definitively too. Right now your just clouded by the fact they both accused you, and you probably think anyone who supports you is town to. That's a dangerous, oftentimes wrong assumption to make. The_Toast, to the best of day1 analysis can go, is our best bet for right now.

On March 02 2012 08:55 TheToast wrote:
Pandain, right now I still don't think there is enough evidence against you to make a scum call; but it looks to me like you are desperately trying to focus attention off of yourself.

On March 02 2012 09:18 Pandain wrote:
AKCT isn't actingi scummy. What was his first post? A vote of you with no explanation. Mafia would never ever EVER do that, that's so suspicious. Mafia are usually careful, and reticent in demeanor(part of why I think The_Toast is mafia).
Theres one thing I have suspicions about but as of yet I'm waiting to see what he does about it, and telling him will ruin it. As of now I feel any evidence regarding AKCT is speculative, while more conclusive evidence is elsewhere.

On March 02 2012 09:44 Pandain wrote:
Let's get this game rolling and focus on one person for now. If someone lurks in the meantime, they'll only hurt themselves later. By focusing on one, we get to see the reactions of all.

Can you explain why you don't view Toast as scum? You gave a vague reason but I'm sure you have more.

The more fluff, random posts in the thread, the easier it is for scum to hide. Keep it focused.

We need to avoid getting sidetracked. That's all I was trying to say

I wasn't trying to specifically call you out. See the first word in that bolded sentence? "WE" As in ALL of us, together, need to avoid getting side tracked. I'm also unsure how you get me accusing you of "spamming" from me saying we need to avoid getting side tracked.

I wasn't trying to say you were spamming, I don't know why you are being so defensive about this. Pandain made a point about avoiding outside conversation in the thread, I agreed with that point. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. So no, I don't have a problem with it.

On March 02 2012 10:46 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:


Excuse me? thats bullshit. I saw something scummy and pointed it out, My reasoning is sound, and your misrepresentation of me does you no favours.

On March 02 2012 03:23 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
Also, I'm voting Probulous because of a hunch that basically arose from "we should lynch all lurkers" and then proceeding to spam it up. Looks like it could potentially be scum diverting attention from himself, like

...

EBWOP: also, the majority of his posts had been town-sounding mechanics/theory posts which are incredibly easy for scum to make to help themselves look a lot townier (it's a good strategy!), but very little in the way of actual scumhunting, so they don't have to worry about statements that can come back and haunt them later.

Certain things are always "correct" in a game of mafia. Lurking benefits mafia. No Lynching is bad. Etc... You can't fault a guy for saying something along them lines. But if he Coles out today and says "wow, X is so totally townie"'and X later flips scum, it'll be held against him. By actively posting "correct" mafia theories, it's easy townpoints to be gained.

On March 02 2012 11:26 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
My reason for voting you was a high concentration of Mechanics post coupled with very few Scumhunting posts (at the time). I made that clear in my 2nd post when i realised that it might not have been obvious to everyone that that was what i was getting at (was pretty damned hungover at the time of making that first post). I've explained that its not so much the mechanics/policy posts that are the scummy part, its them at the absence (or infrequency) of anything else. Since then you've started scumhunting proper, which pretty much negates my reason for voting you, and a couple of other things have convinced me of your towniness. Successful probing, imo.

Incidentally, i'd like to stress again that its not your policy that i had a problem with. It was the discussion of policy with a lack of anything else. Its another reason why i dont like discussions on policy alone - too easy for scum to hide there.

On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:

Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared.

On March 02 2012 19:59 Probulous wrote:
Jackal given you said this in Mafia L



Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game.

On March 02 2012 12:33 Probulous wrote:
"His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous)."

People really are not being clear in this game. Misder, please can you clarify your reason for voting for decon? My understanding is that his reads are bad and his reason for voting for you was your position on LAL. Is that correct?

On March 03 2012 06:07 Pandain wrote:
He was consistent because he had to explain himself. All the posts were related to you calling him out(unjustly). And just because he's consistent doesn't mean he's not scum. I look at all those posts in a different perspective.

The apologetic mood(refer to Ver's analysis of Misder in "How to Improve", the strong reaction to being accused, and the lack of any contribution to town(all he's done is defend himself) is very suspicious to me.

I feel the suspicions against Misder are weak. The real suspicious thing hes done is his latest post, where he just posted a list with no substance, but people seem to focus on his earlier posts, which took place at the very beginning of the game. I don't think there's a better case on Misder then there is Toast.

On March 03 2012 06:20 Pandain wrote:
Stop saying stuff like "correctly"... "correctly..."
How do you know what is correct? "They have correctly identified me as town", mafia do that all the time. In fact one of the best ways to gain town cred as mafia is to say "yeah this guy is innocent" when he's getting lynched.

And his latest play is suspicious. The harsh reaction to Sandroba's bad vote reasoning, as well as to my quote of the above material, hes playing like he's mafia.

Misder's made one crappy post and now people are lynching him. And personally, there is more reason for the mafia to try to get better than for a bored townie.

On March 03 2012 15:36 Adam4167 wrote:


Oh, give me a break.

If you are are so unimpressed with the current state of the game, why don't you try contributing something instead of lurking and trolling.

On March 01 2012 12:16 Probulous wrote: As my first act I want to call out Bluelightz! Every game I have read or played with you I have not been able to tell your alignment. This diverts unecessary attention and time away from useful scum hunting. So shape up and be active. If you lurk this game I will make sure you swing from the yard-arm.

On March 03 2012 09:56 Bluelightz wrote:
Jackal58 - Leaning Scum - He post's nothing of worth and is useless.
rgTheSchworz - Leaning Third Party Maybe - This post is interesting because IF he is the SK he is trying to make people thinking he's not the SK

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Right now, I believe rgTS has the largest chance of being scum so I am voting him.

##Vote: rgTheSchworz

On March 04 2012 12:28 Adam4167 wrote:
Cant say i'm surprised with that.

On March 01 2012 16:28 rgTheSchworz wrote:


Your chances of surviving another night are now halved,sir.
...
Ive randomed a purely awesome role this game.

On March 01 2012 21:06 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Yeah, and Mr Hydra, I rolled something awesome this game, so I can make Sandro and others pay for their cockiness.

On March 02 2012 03:48 rgTheSchworz wrote:
it s probable that we dont have an SK.
...
So, Mr SK, we lynch u after all scum have gone,ok?

On March 03 2012 19:33 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Who said I m a vig?
I didnt roll scum, FYI.

On March 04 2012 09:05 Adam4167 wrote:
I didn't support either of the 'main' lynches yesterday and considering the votes ended up being split 3-3 in favour of your two main candidates, neither did most other people.
I was not avoiding responsibility by not voting for Misder, go read my filter, I didn't think he was scum. Lazy, yes. scum, no. I also didn't vote for sandroba on similar reasons, I think he is being lazy or just plain doesn't give a shit, which is not indicative of his alignment to me.
So I was presented with the 'choice' of voting for two people, neither of which I find overly scummy. So I decided to provoke Palmar, partly because I feel his play is different to what I expect from town Palmar, partly to gain a better read on him in case I am wrong and he is town.
The result is I still don't know what his alignment is. I asked him to produce more content (in the form of a case on me), but he refused as he was hell-bent on only focusing on sandroba yesterday, so I don't know what to make of him.

On March 04 2012 10:41 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright, at the time I didnt believe either Sandroba or Misder was scum.

At the time I already said I wouldnt be there for the deadline so I couldnt change it.\

I voted rgTS like I said, he had the highest chance of flipping scum to me.

On March 04 2012 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Since you've claimed blue already, can you tell me if you Tracked AKCT or if you Watched rgTheSchworz? I assume its the latter, but id like to know for sure.

On March 05 2012 05:46 sandroba wrote:
I got hit last night btw.

On March 05 2012 08:30 Adam4167 wrote:
This is just spam, Probulous. I was not surprised at all that he flipped townie, nor was I surprised that he was lying all game. You didn't even believe all of his claims, you said as much here:

Your post doesn't even make sense, you start by stating that he claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran, then somehow finish that he's possibly a Vig or Veteran. What was the point of even posting that wall of text? It contributes nothing.

The answer to that question provides nothing to town. It provides information to me. I ask because I wanted to know what Pandain was claiming to get a better grasp on if he was fake-claiming.

"As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter", No, you didn't. You finished with the conclusion that he was a Veteran or a Vig.

It is not a scummy question. Why aren't you calling me scum? You're implying it, but you aren't saying it.

On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote:
Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not.

No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum.

On March 05 2012 13:23 Adam4167 wrote:

Theres an option 3 here. Sandroba is an SK that is claiming a real hit (from the mafia):

On March 03 2012 17:12 sandroba wrote:
Wait for me to kill bitches b4 you shoot me thx

On March 05 2012 13:47 Bluelightz wrote:
No, I don't feel guilty, I was just saying that if I get mislynched blaime will be on Pandain.

On March 05 2012 13:47 Probulous wrote:
I thought of this but this quote makes me less certain.


If he was SK he wouldn't be worried about getting shot. We haven't had a vig claim the shot so it could only have come from mafia which makes zero sense. Why target someone who was the leading vote getter the day before? No I think he was a saved by a medic. I agree with Paperscraps that a town medic saving Sandroba is just not credible. So we are left with veteran or mafia medic. He was under pressure and was worried about dying so a mafia medic protect makes sense. His way of claiming the shot doesn't ring Vet to me. Vets normally celebrate when they are shot.

On February 25 2012 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Possible Mafia Roles:
Medic: You are a Medic! Each night you may choose to protect one player from a night hit! You may not protect yourself. You will be notified if you successfully protect your target.

On March 06 2012 01:14 TheToast wrote:


How do you know that he wasn't going to be lynched? 10 minutes is more than enough time for two people to change their votes; I've seen it happen before. I wasn't the only one with my vote on Pandain, RG did as well; I think (and still think) there was more than enough reason to vote him for lynch. I also posted my analysis of Pandain, it's not like I just dropped a vote and left. I would have done it sooner but I had IRL stuff that was in the way. Fact is I didn't have a good read on Misder and I was at the time pretty sure Sandro was the SK. I think Pandain was the better day 1 lynch.

On March 06 2012 07:43 Pandain wrote:
There's no reason to vote sandroba, he's not scum(no resistance at all)so that leaves either sk or town. Rather than vote him, we should merely track him. This will effectively negate any chance of him shooting again. I do believe he's sk but feel this is A better alternative as it encompasses all the reasons we would want to lynch sk without the risk of lynching town. We should use today instead as an opportunity to lynch scum.

On March 06 2012 08:01 TheToast wrote:
Probulous, by your logic vig's should all be lynched day 1 too. Because that's exactly what the SK is, an extra town vig. I've given my reasons for what I did and honestly, you aren't the mayor here so I don't have to defend myself to you anymore that I have already. Pandain is scum. I wanted to lynch him. That's all there was to it.

What is this? Fine, next time I'll lie to you and tell you what you want to hear. lol Also Sandroba is not town, that much is pretty obvious.

On March 06 2012 08:19 Pandain wrote:
And toast is negligient, he merely is focused on me because I've been focused on him. He's been on me since day 1, and he hasn't supported Sandroba.
There is effectively no support for Sandroba. But again, this only indicates he's not scum, as they wouldn't just let him(and he wouldn't be so lethargic about getting lynched), die when theres a valid excuse.

But I'm not even denying that Sandroba is probably scum. The key fact is that by lynching him we effectively waste a day to either confirm what we already assumed(he's SK), or the fact that he's a vet(in which case we just lynched a town woopdie doo). If we make him unable to shoot for fear of getting caught, then we don't even have to worry about him harming town.

On March 06 2012 08:37 Pandain wrote:
2. Mafia KP is hidden, so the SK might not actually exist.

On March 05 2012 18:25 deconduo wrote:Why would he be worried about getting shot if he knew he had a medic to save him? In fact, I think SK is far far more likely as they would have the most to lose by getting shot; losing their night life. A mafia with a medic to back them up is basically immune to night hits, so shouldn't be worried at all.

On March 06 2012 07:52 deconduo wrote:
I agree that he isn't scum, but he's almost certainly SK. We're better off lynching him now, rather than letting him get another shot off.

On March 04 2012 09:05 Adam4167 wrote:
I also didn't vote for sandroba on similar reasons, I think he is being lazy or just plain doesn't give a shit, which is not indicative of his alignment to me.So I was presented with the 'choice' of voting for two people, neither of which I find overly scummy. So I decided to provoke Palmar, partly because I feel his play is different to what I expect from town Palmar, partly to gain a better read on him in case I am wrong and he is town.

On March 05 2012 08:30 Adam4167 wrote:
Don't forget attack Palmar, I've done plenty of that as well. How does any of that make me scum and only scum? You are assuming Sandroba's guilt from his lack of effort (something BOTH of you were doing) and then inferring my guilt from that.

On March 05 2012 13:23 Adam4167 wrote:
Bluelightz, why are you giving up so easily after one vote? Compared to your play in Normal Mini Mafia I, where you had 4 votes piled on you the first day and you tried to defend yourself.Do you feel guilty again, like in Student Mafia?

On March 06 2012 08:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Its far too late in the day to start pushing another case. Id like to see a resolution to this night-hit situation.
##Vote sandroba

On March 03 2012 10:27 Palmar wrote:
you Adam4167
also, if I'm scum you lynch me, vet or not it's bad logic to let vets get away with shit.

On March 04 2012 03:14 Palmar wrote:Deconduo, you decided to use an easy fucking bullshit explanation to vote a townie, even after I told you that it was bullshit, and I later explained that I thought he was town. I take that as an insult. You're literally calling me bad at mafia by straight up refusing to listen to me.I will make sure you die this game.

On March 06 2012 11:38 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm posting from my phone so I can't quote stuff.

Prob, I already stated why I'm on the sandroba lynch in that post. It's too late in the day for me to push the cases I want to push, so I'm bandwagon voting on sandroba to try and get a better grasp on what happened last night. I like other lynches better but convincing at least 4 people to move off of sandroba is something that would take more time then we had when I voted.

It's a shit vote and I know it, but my vote going anywhere else is just as shit, considering the current vote tally.

On March 06 2012 00:12 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright, I'm voting sandroba, I believe his scum because he is useless and has not provided good content, his hit claim is interesting though.
##Vote: sandroba

On March 06 2012 09:22 Paperscraps wrote:
Hmmmm, my gut tells me that Sandroba is vet, but logic dictates that Sandroba is mafia/SK. This bandwagon on Sandroba went up pretty darn fast. But, alas Sandroba hasn't taken his vote off of AKCT and not putting up a fight at all. This lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right. I feel if I change my vote though, people will think that scummy. Only one person died last night. Something doesn't fit here. Going to change my vote anyways. Back to my "tunnel" on Deconduo, who has been coasting.
##Unvote
##Vote: Deconduo
Inb4 people say I am scum trying to make myself look townie "if" Sandroba flips vet.

On March 06 2012 20:58 Paperscraps wrote:
1. Decon's read on Misder was wrong. Probulous he called you scum as well. Was he wrong in that?
2. Decon says making lists are pointless, claiming they are filler. I disagree
3. Decon's reaction to me calling him scum was bad. He over reacted. I find this scummy.
4. Decon's reaction to Misder flipping scum was bad. He wasn't remorseful about it.
5. Decon also rages at Sandroba for being useless this game, saying a vig should shoot Sandroba. There is merit here for both town and mafia play.
6. Decon has been coasting the past two days. Posting filler, no scum hunting, not very town.
7. Decon votes up Sandroba, calling him "almost certainly SK". There is merit here for both town and mafia play once again.

On March 06 2012 21:04 Paperscraps wrote:
Also on side note: Since Sandroba flipped mafia. What does everyone think of the hit claim?
1. The hit claim was fake.
2. The hit was real and mafia/town medic saved Sandroba?

On March 06 2012 15:55 Adam4167 wrote:
I don't push cases at night time, unless its so close to the deadline that mafia cant shoot me for it.

On March 06 2012 21:21 Adam4167 wrote:
There's really no way to know which it is until morning. Even then, there's situations where it could be ambiguous.

On March 06 2012 19:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Nice flip ^^! Was at school for most of the day so couldnt post much. We should take a look at the people who wanted to derail the lynch.

On March 06 2012 12:34 Probulous wrote:
Final Scummy Votes

Sandroba - 8
3) bluelightz
Bluelightz

He needs to be splattered across the pavement, preferably across many pavements.

On March 07 2012 07:32 Paperscraps wrote: The bolded part is a question to you? Was Decon wrong in calling you scum?

On March 07 2012 11:30 Probulous wrote:
Prob to Bluelightz: Come out come out where-ever you are. I knowed you around cause I seed you posting elsewhere.

Bluelightz to Prob: ...

Prob to Bluelightz: *swings mighty hammer of the gods squishing him into sticky bloo goo*

Prob

On March 07 2012 11:45 Mattchew wrote:
Im in the car ffor an hour if wiggles isn't around I'll make post then don't go crazy

On March 07 2012 12:02 Paperscraps wrote:
I shot Jackal58.

yeah I'm still fine with killing sandroba.
Pandain is dumb, but he's probably town. Doesn't say anything about AKCT's alignment really. But hey who cares.
##Vote Sandroba

On March 07 2012 12:48 Pandain wrote:
this seems set up. Claim immediately after, because you like "suprises?" When your already under suspicion? Yeah, no.

No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum.

If you aren't even going to try, then you are going to get lynched.

Deconduo, TheToast, and Jackal are all better lynches. I don't know if we should lynch Sandroba yet, due to the hit claim. Sandroba is on ice though and needs to start contributing as do a lot of other players.

On March 07 2012 13:01 Snarfs wrote:

Awful quick vote there against a guy who's claiming blue. We have 2 days to figure out if he's lying or not, we should use it.

On March 07 2012 13:43 Adam4167 wrote:
I've been acting like a dick to you because I thought you were scum the second you sheep voted onto sandroba with the reasoning of "my reads look a lot like Palmars, so ill vote like he does".

On March 03 2012 06:04 Probulous wrote:
Right now my reads correlate best with Palmar....Sandroba, you're not helping yourself. The quote from Jackal in L corresponds very well to your current play. This is why I want Jackal's opinion. He shot you then, would he shoot you now? Toast is right to call you out for lack of contribution. Your response enforces his case.
##vote Sandroba

On March 06 2012 08:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Its far too late in the day to start pushing another case. Id like to see a resolution to this night-hit situation.
##Vote sandroba

You've sidetracked this game into setup discussion which boils down to an answer no townie can know on more than one occasion. You asked Pandain for his reads on who he thought was scum, he named Bluelightz, Jackal and myself. This is a glaring contradiction to his stance towards me yesterday. He was actively defending me and pushing the lynch in any other direction. Yet you don't even bat an eye-lid at his complete 180.

On March 07 2012 14:23 Adam4167 wrote:
Continued:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13743081 Here, you state that people who are lurking shouldn't be lynched, rather we should find some other way to deal with them. Yet here you are now, your vote is on Bluelightz for lurking.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13743280 Lists aren't scummy. USELESS lists are. Here's one.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13753596 AKCT's logic for voting you is HORRIBLE, yet you unvote him and never come back to it? Come on.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13787923 This was completely irrelevant. It contributed nothing to the discussion at hand, proved nothing, concluded with nothing.

You accuse me of looking as if i'm trying to contribute, when it is exactly what you have been doing all game.

I do think Pandain is town. I think you're scum. Your defence of yourself is to deflect back onto my questionable actions this game. That is not a defence at all.

I am never here because I have uni to attend, I am getting really sick of stating that. In fact, I'm going to be not here some more as I have uni work to finish.

On March 07 2012 16:21 Paperscraps wrote:
@Pandain: Why would I claim I shot Jackal if I was scum? There is no motivation as scum to do this. Unless I was tracked or something, in which I would have to cc of course. I really don't get your logic here.

I am not getting lynched. I am clear. Jackal seemed scummy and was not contributing at all, thus he was a good shot. It is unfortunate he flipped green, but we have one less lurker now.

Pandain you have been playing well up to this point, but your vote on me makes no sense.

Everyone really needs to look at TheToast, Deconduo and Bluelightz.

On March 07 2012 16:21 Paperscraps wrote:
I still think there is an SK.

14 players with ~3 or 4 mafia would be unbalanced. A third party would balance the setup. Town has two blue roles at the moment. Watcher(dead) and Vigilante(Me). It is probably safe to assume there is a medic as well. So that is 3 blue roles out of ~10 town players. This is just a guess of course, but would make the most sense balance wise.

On March 07 2012 16:51 Paperscraps wrote:
@Snarfs: Who do you think is scum between Adam and Probulous?

It is hard to tell right now because both of their logic is kind of whack.

On March 07 2012 16:59 Paperscraps wrote:
Don't forget we could have had medic saves!

On March 02 2012 19:59 Probulous wrote:
Jackal given you said this in Mafia L



Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game. I agree with Palmar that he has been hiding which is scummy as hell. His case on Pandain is insubstantial and he isn't here. I have never played with him but since Jackal has a history of recognising Sandroba's scum, I think your opinion here would be useful.

On March 03 2012 06:04 Probulous wrote:
Sandroba, you're not helping yourself. The quote from Jackal in L corresponds very well to your current play. This is why I want Jackal's opinion. He shot you then, would he shoot you now? Toast is right to call you out for lack of contribution. Your response enforces his case.
##vote Sandroba

On March 03 2012 11:11 Probulous wrote:
Adam I am not sheeping Palmar. You hadn't produced anything of note until recently. Sandrona is actively lurking and seemingly has no interest in this game. When he is town he has shown skill in putting together decent cases. He isn't even bothering to try this game. He played like this L where he was scum. Add those together and you get mafia.

On March 06 2012 08:12 Probulous wrote:


I don't know why you say there is no resistance to him being lynched. Toast is screaming blue murder that you are scum. If my team is correct then blue is soft-bussing which is unsurprising. The way I see it these are the possible explanations for Sandroba "hit"

Fake Claim

• He is trying to gain cred by faking a claimed hit.
  
• Serial Killer / Mafia - Helps him avoid suspicion Day 2
  
• Town - Clears his name to some extent

The implications of this are that there may not be a SK. The problem with the fake claim is that the benefit for him is minimal. The way he claimed makes him look less like a veteran than someone who got medic saved and no town medic would save him. I believe he was shot.

Real Claim

• He survived a hit and claimed it
  
• Serial Killer - Knows someone has hit him and wants to flush that person out.
  
• Mafia - Knows that someone has hit him and will claim the hit if they are a vigilante. The vig gets town cred and he looks bad for not claiming the hit so he does it first. The claim also might flush out the shooter. The SK could act like a vig too so either way he had to claim.
  
• Veteran - He has been shot and can excuse his crappy play as an attempt to get shot.

The issue I have with the veteran claim is the manner in which he claimed it. Most vets celebrate when they get shot, they have achieved their aim. His was a BTW sort of admission. Combined with his lurky play I don't believe his vet claim. That leaves SK or mafia. I don't agree with Pandain that he isn't being defended. Toast is pretty vehement that Pandain is scum. Chainsaw much?

A Sandroba lynch will confirm the existence of a Serial Killer if he flips Veteran (unlikely). If he flips scum we celebrate and we know they have a medic. If he flips SK we have removed a potential issue for town. He isn't playing well and I would guess would probably shoot town before he shoots scum.

On March 06 2012 08:28 Probulous wrote:


You reasoning rests of two assumptions

• He is the SK
  
• Mafia would defend him if he was scum

The first can only be confirmed by a flip. The second is big. He was scummy since Day 1 and was almost lynched. Then he was shot overnight. Despite all this he has not attempted to provide any analysis at all. Anyone straight up defending him would have to use really weird logic or a chainsaw defense. Surely it is better to let him swing and waste town's time on someone who is clearly not town. Plus they can gain a little cred for his flip and can hide amongst the rest of the votes. I don't see why this is unlikely. If he is mafia they have a medic and he clearly isn't it (he can't protect himself).

On March 02 2012 12:58 Adam4167 wrote:
I find Palmar interesting, as I do in every one of our games. I think his exchange with you from yesterday was an exercise in stating the obvious, something I don't expect from him. As I said to him yesterday, everything he was stating was stuff that townies should already be doing and the fact that he needed to stress it across 4 posts shows that he is either just talking for the sake of putting words on a page, or he has no faith in this town. Right now, I am leaning towards he is not town

On March 03 2012 08:27 Adam4167 wrote:

These reads are only a fraction better then the list Misder posted, useless and effortless. You label me as scum yet you never follow it up. Why aren't you pressing me to try and find out my alignment if you think I could be 'scummer'. I think its because you have zero interest in finding scum. Look at his town play: Hammer Mini Mafia He is aggressive, he presses his reads. He doesn't give a shit what the rest of the town is doing. Contrast that with what we've seen so far this game.
##Vote Palmar

On March 06 2012 08:55 Adam4167 wrote:
I was occupied with life events yesterday, hence my inactivity for a large portion of it. Its far too late in the day to start pushing another case. Id like to see a resolution to this night-hit situation.
##Vote sandroba

On March 06 2012 11:38 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm posting from my phone so I can't quote stuff.
Prob, I already stated why I'm on the sandroba lynch in that post. It's too late in the day for me to push the cases I want to push, so I'm bandwagon voting on sandroba to try and get a better grasp on what happened last night. I like other lynches better but convincing at least 4 people to move off of sandroba is something that would take more time then we had when I voted.
It's a shit vote and I know it, but my vote going anywhere else is just as shit, considering the current vote tally.

On March 06 2012 11:46 Probulous wrote:
Well this is completely illogical. Your last sentence implies that sandroba is getting lynched regardless of your vote. The rest of your post suggests you want a conclusion to the night hit. Well combining those would suggest that you will get that conclusion regardless of how you vote.
In this situation it would make sense to stick with your reads. If people switch to your reads then great, if not you get clarification on the hit. Either way it looks like you don't believe he is scum, so why vote for him? You're taking the easy way out and I don't like it. Town Adam doesn't do things the easy way.

On March 07 2012 19:33 deconduo wrote: Given the missing KP, I'm inclined to think Paper is SK, and was worried about being tracked. Jackal was a blue read for me, which would explain why Paper would go after him. When none of the bodies flipped Tracker, he claimed the shot figuring if he didn't he'd lynched on the spot if he had been tracked. Its a bit of a stretch, but I can't see anything else that makes more sense. It also explains why he would wait for the day post.

On March 07 2012 22:42 deconduo wrote:
I don't think its a stretch to think we'd have a Tracker + Watcher but no medic. However, what I think doesn't really matter, its what Paper thought at the day post. He claimed exactly one minute after the post, so he didn't have time to think about his decision. He was obviously waiting for something, and was going base his claim on the contents of the day post.

On March 08 2012 03:09 Paperscraps wrote:
I wanted town to know as much as possible about how the KP was distributed. In hindsight I should have claimed before day post, but this is the first time I have been a vig in a forum game. A lot of people fosed Jackal at the end of the night. Jackal even posted right after me, so he was obviously around, but didn't post relevant material during the night. If he had scum hunted during the night that would have swayed my decision.

On March 06 2012 20:58 Paperscraps wrote:It seems like everyone thinks Decon is town except for me, so I could very well be wrong. I will be objective about this and look into the filters of others I think are scummy. inb4 "you are backpedaling scum"

On March 07 2012 07:16 TheToast wrote:
If Sandro's claim is true, and there is an SK; top people to question/track/watch should be Paper, and Jackal.

On March 08 2012 09:31 Adam4167 wrote:What kind of stupid scum strategy is it to attack the most townie looking person? Scum buddy the big townie while picking them off at night.

On March 08 2012 09:39 Adam4167 wrote:
You say "Adam is more important today. He has the ability to sway people with flimsy cases". Implying I need to die first because of what i'm saying.

Of course I didn't answer your question, I clicked post before it was even on my screen, look at the time-stamp -_-.
I do still think you're scum, if this is your town play, then I had a very different picture in my head of what town Probulous should look like.

On March 08 2012 09:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Why do you assume that I would only do thing in that manner? Scum are cold and calculating, they wont post something half assed for fear of making mistakes. Again, more WIFOM from both of us.

I started writing that as the day post came down, the fact that you stated you wanted to lynch me was coincidental. My job is to find scum, yes, I had a read on you, so I voiced it. Wheres the problem? could my read be wrong? absolutely. Doesn't mean i'm just going to keep it to myself.

On February 01 2012 13:05 Adam4167 wrote:


Right. I'm resorting to paint here (oh gawd) to try and get a clearer picture of what everyone is saying.

After taking in everyone's reads, I find these are the two most likely scum teams: Chocoloate/Zelblade or Simberto/SacredSystem

As we begin to flip more of these names, this picture will solve itself. I am content with flipping anyone in the above diagram, with a special preference for Chocolate for the previously mentioned reasons.

On February 01 2012 12:09 Adam4167 wrote:
After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something.

Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise.

Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode.

I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him.
##Vote Chocolate



One thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of Them

So I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later)

On March 08 2012 08:04 Probulous wrote:

This seems to be the crux of the issue. If Paper was worried about being tracked he would have to claim the shot. Now unfortunately that makes sense whether he is a Vig, Mafia or SK. If he is worried that someone has seen him shoot then he needs to claim even if he is blue. Otherwise they claim and his counterclaim looks terrible, so the claim itself doesn't make him scum.

As for waiting for the day post that again doesn't make sense from a mafia, vig or SK POV. If he was worried about being tracked it would have better if he was any of these roles to claim before the day post. Again that would lend his claim credibility, regardless of whether he was vig, mafia or SK. I honestly think it was a mistake or just not knowing what to do in that case. This makes me think he is either a Vig or SK, his mafia buddy would surely have pointed that out to him (a tad of WIFOM here so tread with caution).

Yes, he was waiting to see whether Jackal died. The problem as above, is that you have separate the motivations between a Vig, mafia or SK shot and his timing is bad for all three.


This is where we can tell whether Paperscraps is town or not. His motivation for shooting Jackal. He says that Jackal was looking scummy, which is true. He had FOS'd Jackal since the Misder vote. Yes he was on decon more but it was not like he suddenly decided Jackal was scum. This quote in hindsight looks promising

Note this post from Toast

It is not unreasonable for Paper to believe he was being tracked. He was on the scummy list of a few people and had been called out in the thread as a track target.

In conclusion, as shocking as this sounds I believe Paperscraps is a vigilante. I think he second guessed himself about Decon and so shot his second target. He was concerned about being tracked so claimed the hit when he thought it best. The hope was that he would have his named cleared when Jackal flipped scum. Was it the best play? Hell no but it makes sense to me.

If nothing else note his persistance in trying to clear his name. He is clearly frustrated but is putting in the effort to try and make his thinking clear. Compare that to Adam, who is apparently still too busy to participate. Decon I agree it would be nice to lower KP with a SK lynch but I don't believe that Paper is the SK (if we have one). We lynch Adam today.

On March 09 2012 06:56 TheToast wrote:
***The last two here are really interesting. I want to go back to something I said before. If the hit against Sandro was real, and it came from the SK: the SK would be likely to believe Sandro's vet claim. After all, the SK would know that Sandro got shot and didn't die, why wouldn't you believe the vet claim?

On March 09 2012 07:03 TheToast wrote:
While there is a good case against Paper, it really does hinge on Sandro's claim. While I think his claim was real (Probulous made a good point somewhere about this) lynching someone based on it just risks too much in terms of walking into a scum trap. If someone sees something I missed that adds to the evidence then I would say he should be lynched but right now the evidence is so circumstancial....

On March 09 2012 07:24 TheToast wrote:
Back to the other issue, what do you think should be the D3 lynch priority?

On March 07 2012 09:59 Pandain wrote:
Palmar is town or badass sk. Jackal COULD be SK but I'm leaning towards not. He's definitely not playing pro town....

bluelightz/adam/jackal one or more of them is mafia.

On March 09 2012 07:42 Snarfs wrote:
I think you're confusing something. Pandain was never pushing for a Sandroba lynch. He was actively against it.

The issue I have with the veteran claim is the manner in which he claimed it. Most vets celebrate when they get shot, they have achieved their aim. His was a BTW sort of admission. Combined with his lurky play I don't believe his vet claim. That leaves SK or mafia. I don't agree with Pandain that he isn't being defended. Toast is pretty vehement that Pandain is scum. Chainsaw much?

A Sandroba lynch will confirm the existence of a Serial Killer if he flips Veteran (unlikely). If he flips scum we celebrate and we know they have a medic. If he flips SK we have removed a potential issue for town. He isn't playing well and I would guess would probably shoot town before he shoots scum.

On March 06 2012 08:19 Pandain wrote:
And toast is negligient, he merely is focused on me because I've been focused on him. He's been on me since day 1, and he hasn't supported Sandroba. There is effectively no support for Sandroba. But again, this only indicates he's not scum, as they wouldn't just let him(and he wouldn't be so lethargic about getting lynched), die when theres a valid excuse. But I'm not even denying that Sandroba is probably scum. The key fact is that by lynching him we effectively waste a day to either confirm what we already assumed(he's SK), or the fact that he's a vet(in which case we just lynched a town woopdie doo). If we make him unable to shoot for fear of getting caught, then we don't even have to worry about him harming town.

On March 06 2012 08:28 Probulous wrote:
You reasoning rests of two assumptions

• He is the SK
  
• Mafia would defend him if he was scum

The first can only be confirmed by a flip. The second is big. He was scummy since Day 1 and was almost lynched. Then he was shot overnight. Despite all this he has not attempted to provide any analysis at all. Anyone straight up defending him would have to use really weird logic or a chainsaw defense. Surely it is better to let him swing and waste town's time on someone who is clearly not town. Plus they can gain a little cred for his flip and can hide amongst the rest of the votes. I don't see why this is unlikely. If he is mafia they have a medic and he clearly isn't it (he can't protect himself).

On March 06 2012 08:37 Pandain wrote:
I actually change my mind, but mainly for two reasons:

1. By having tracker continuously track him, it wastes tracker time when he could be finding more scum(and tracker tracking new people is arguably more important then finding out more evidence).
2. Mafia KP is hidden, so the SK might not actually exist.

On March 06 2012 12:16 Pandain wrote:
If you care to take a look, my thought process was clear and logical. No one ended up pointing out the flaws in the plan which I would later discover on my own, so when I did discover them I changed. I wouldn't change because of Toast lol.

On March 09 2012 08:30 Pandain wrote:
The thing is it doesn't matter whether he had pushed Jackal beforehand.....Jackal was an easy target. Never posted and hardly a contribution, and was a vet. And they would've known he was town. Of course mafia would point at him. Just because there's consistancy doesn't mean he's town..... you have to look at the whole portrait.

Take for example, his reads. He was suspicious of decon, jackal, and toast. Toast I actually am learning towards town now given the huge contributions he's been doing lately, trying to figure stuff out. Decon I'm almost certain is town. And Jackal, as we all know now, is town.

Then he posts this, which is his longest post, and coincidentally because he was accused of being scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=62048&currentpage=2
Note in this post he says he asked rg who he was going to shoot because "he wanted to play along." No , that's a horrible excuse. I can't even explain why its so wrong, just read it and realize why that
1. Isn't how you would do it.
2. Hurts town if he does say who he's going to shoot
3. is a anti town question in general.

Probulus, I feel that this is definitely a move to gain town cred. Whether he's mafia or SK I don't know yet, but I know that if I was mafia, I would pull off something like this. Think about it. You get to kill a townie and still "be town." What's there not good? Since we don't have a detective, its impossible to differentiate a mafia vig and a town vig. The only benefit it had, was, in fact, being able to say "oh im vig."

I just don't feel like he would've shot jackal if he was town. Look at his posts. Before he was suspicious of Decondou. AFter he's suspicious of decondou. If he was more sure of Jackal then decondou(to the point where he would shoot him), he would've actually led a real charge on him.

He changes his stories regarding why he shot him, going from "yeah I wasn't certain of decon, jackal seemed scummy" to

In General:
1. Fosed the same people (decondou, toast, jackal.) who i believe are town. You believe they are town now, not when he originally FOSd them. This is a weak point.
2. Resisted the Sandroba lynch, voted him only when he gave up, and even back tracked after.I think this is your strongest point actually.
3. Questionable shooting and dubious reasoning. Doesn't tell us anything about his alignment

I feel that definitely #2 is the weakest. But its evidence that he could, indeed, be mafia. The point I'm trying to make, is basically that mafia WOULD possibly do this because they had just lost sandroba, and given the lack of any vets besides me and decon, they're probably also doing dumb/risky stuff now too. Shooting Jackal as we all see clearly was a good move, as most of you believe him >.> I personally believe that he is the SK. I feel like this would be the right way for an SK to try and gain town cred; presenting himself as a vig.

On March 09 2012 09:18 Adam4167 wrote:
This'll probably be my last post before my flip.

Probulous
When I see someone making terrible arguments like:

This is the kind of crap I expect to see from the mafia in a newbie game, not here. I had to double-check the posters name. Bad logic is not a scum sign, but someone who is known for using good logic and then starts using terrible logic IS a scum sign. Probulous is supposedly an up-and-coming good player around TL Mafia, and when I see him trotting out stuff like this, my alarm bells go off. WIFOM'ing away at the fact that two people I've had interactions with are now dead? seriously? awful. I cant believe you are trying to pin Jackals death on me after a vig has already claimed it. Its laughable!

In response to my case, he then starts to deflect back onto me, to call my (already minimal) credibility into question, here and here. That is a mafia tactic. Townies are concerned with clearing their guilt, mafia want to re-direct onto their attacker.

Probulous, why are you sheeping Palmar? His case on sandroba is weak. "You couldn't spot a townie??? oh, you're scum!".

On March 05 2012 08:30 Adam4167 wrote:
This is just spam, Probulous. I was not surprised at all that he flipped townie, nor was I surprised that he was lying all game. You didn't even believe all of his claims, you said as much here:

Your post doesn't even make sense, you start by stating that he claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran, then somehow finish that he's possibly a Vig or Veteran. What was the point of even posting that wall of text? It contributes nothing.
...
The answer to that question provides nothing to town. It provides information to me. I ask because I wanted to know what Pandain was claiming to get a better grasp on if he was fake-claiming. "As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter", No, you didn't. You finished with the conclusion that he was a Veteran or a Vig. It is not a scummy question. Why aren't you calling me scum? You're implying it, but you aren't saying it.

Finally, this post here. I have already touched on this but I feel I need to go over it again. This post reeks of fear. If my cases are so 'flimsy' then there should be no need to lynch me before my 'flimsy' cases sway anyone, as they'll gain no traction.

Where do we go from here:
I think the best course of action is to flip me. I know that might seem a bit strange for someone asking to die, but my reasoning is this:
-With me around and my alignment in question, people are going to be wondering what I am, due to my ... interesting behaviour this game. I am a distraction to town that needs to be removed.
-My reads will gain more weight after I'm dead. Once I flip, you can almost assuredly say that bluelightz is town.
-Another reason to hang me is to prevent the mafia from hanging the SK, my death buys him one more night to kill one of these scummy assholes

On March 09 2012 11:04 Pandain wrote:
The point I'm trying to make about him FOS (i believe) town people, is the fact that hes STILL going against them. This very day he's gone against toast, decondou,and he shot jackal the night before! He defended sandroba, and you say that his reaosning for shooting jackal doesn't tell us anything about his alignment, but it does. If his case was that "Inherently weak" he wouldn't have fricking SHOT him. Previous posts all suggested him feeling confident about toast being scum, why not shoot him? The point of the matter is that he's had dubious reasoning, and changed how he's said he's doing stuff.

And I didn't notice the "Only 1 guy died", but that is damning also. The case is better , far better , then Adam, that's why I'm voting him. We can lynch Adam tommorow.

On March 09 2012 11:20 TheToast wrote:
You missed one Probulous XD

On March 09 2012 11:43 Paperscraps wrote:
Just got back from school, been there all day. I will post my thoughts in a bit.

Adam with the self-vote. Why do people do this?

On March 05 2012 00:57 deconduo wrote:
What is the mafia KP formula?
Did anyone take a hit last night? If not, its not unreasonable to think that rg was hit twice. I highly doubt that the anti-town KP is only 1. While mafia doublestacking RG is unlikely, its possible both SK and mafia went after him independently. However until I hear ACKT come up with an explanation,
##Vote A Killer Cup of Tea

On March 10 2012 08:15 Pandain wrote:
I'm the only guy who pushes against lynching adam, and you guys suspect me more.
Oh my god........
I don't even know how paper scraps thinks that I have to be blue.

On March 09 2012 08:42 Pandain wrote:
Theres no one else besides Adam really.
...
Basically my suspicions go like this:
Paper, Adam, bluelightz+ akct.

On March 09 2012 11:04 Pandain wrote:
The case is better , far better , then Adam, that's why I'm voting him.
We can lynch Adam tommorow.

On March 10 2012 08:46 Paperscraps wrote:


Because you won't even consider the fact I could be vig, so obviously you know something everyone else doesnt or you are scum.

On March 10 2012 08:55 Pandain wrote:
And notice how I didn't say defending Adam, I said I was pushing against a lynch. If mafia have a medic, then we(assuming 2 left), would have preffered to lynch a town and just take the 1% chance SK shoots us and he hadn't been protected.

On March 10 2012 09:18 deconduo wrote:
If it was a normal player, he would be 2nd on my scumlist after paper1. However its Pandain who rolls a dice to decide what to do each day:
1. Claim mafia
2. Claim tracker
3. Lurk
4. Spam
5. Lose the game
6. Win the game

I've never been able to read him properly, its what makes him a meh town player but a deceptively dangerous mafia player. If I was to go with my gut I'd say town2. However the only way to know for sure is when he flips.

On March 10 2012 10:16 deconduo wrote:
If you want useful reads:
-Paper is SK.
-Probulous, Toast are town
-Snarfs, Blue, AKCT are scum.

If only one person dies tonight then that will change as it would probably mean no SK and Paper is telling the truth about being vig.

On March 10 2012 14:22 TheToast wrote:
Why would you assume there is a double stack instead of assuming there is a Mafia vig? You jumped to conclusions really fast after the day post. Only person to have put any pressure on you so far this game was Adam, and now he's dead.

And three posts across 8 minutes? I love how you start out all calm about it then get more verbose in each successive post.

Not confirmed anything yet, but this is enough to make me suspicious...

Surprisingly, no one has asked the really crucial question here; why did Paperscraps get killed last night? A vig who has used his shot is not threat to scum, and if anything he was pulling a lot of attention away from the SK. So why was he killed?

On March 10 2012 21:02 Bluelightz wrote:
Yeah decon I realized it but didnt bother to correct sorry :|

How does Mafia have a medic(the sandroba hit?)

On March 03 2012 00:03 TheToast wrote:
His play so far this game has been weird, all he's done is shown up a few times to make some short stubby posts and then disappears again. Seems odd since every tutorial/analysis I've read says lurking is a bad way to play as Mafia. Shouldn't a vet like sandro know this? What does he have to gain as scum by lurking? I've got my money on SK, it makes the most sense.

At this point I'm pretty convinced Probulous is town. The whole "spam" thing was rediculous, the list he posted served a purpose it wasn't just fluff. He's also been one of the most active members of this game so far, he's got just about the most posts to go through and there's really nothing that jumps out as specifically scummy. He's so far been pretty even handed with his analysis.

On March 06 2012 04:35 TheToast wrote:
Frankly I think there is a better case against Pandain. Sandro said a few pages back that he was requesting a replacement, so idk if he's got IRL stuff that's causing him to be lurky. I have to say though the posts he has made so far have been kind of strange and out of place. I want to see if he has any response to the accusations, the vet claim is interesting and could explain some of his posts but he needs to give us some reason to believe this. In all, I think he is a good lynch candidate, but Pandain is better IMO.

On March 06 2012 09:05 TheToast wrote:
...Why didn't you bring any of this up yesterday when I came up with the sandro is SK theory? I suppose it makes sense, but I still say if there is a confirmed scum you vote them over the SK. Pandain is confirmed scum IMO. If in your terrible reasoning that makes me scum, then whatever...

On March 02 2012 10:19 Bluelightz wrote:
I could see Pandain as scum, I'll explain later, I can't explain now cuz I got school work tho.

On March 03 2012 08:45 Bluelightz wrote:
Oh, I forgot to tell I don't find Pandain scummy after I read his filter

On March 04 2012 07:25 Probulous wrote:
...You have been told numerous times not to post town/null lists. At least this time you label someone red. But your reason is so majorly hypocritical and stupid it hurts my brain. Jackal, from what I have read always lurks day 1. But the real kicker is that you then decide not to vote for him? Instead you vote for the person you called third party and then in the same post they changed to scum? You also left your vote there when it was clear he was never going to get lynched. That is an easy way to avoid responsibility...

On March 12 2012 09:45 TheToast wrote:
Prob this is ridiculous, Bluelightz calls me out as scum and suddenly I'm the #2 suspect??? Maybe you are working in tandem with him? Bussing Bluelightz for ability to take me down?

Why is my insistence that there isn't an SK strange? There is still the very real possibility that there is a mafia vig who hit last night. The thing that's strange is your insistence that there IS and SK. The only way you could know that is if you WERE the SK or if you had some inside information that sandro's claim was real. So tell me, which is it?

I didn't FOS you for the hell of it. If we have an SK we need to figure out who it is and they need to die tomorrow. No one besides Adam has put any pressure on you all game, that's simply not healthy for town to have a completely 100% confirmed town player.

All to easy for SK to hide amongst town. And after I call you out, suddenly I'm scum and you use that as evidence against me? I'm only becoming more suspicious of you Probulous...

On March 12 2012 09:34 Bluelightz wrote:
Oh, By the way scum are voting me ^^

Look, if I was scum wouldnt the other scum be trying to derail this?
If I was SK I would've claimed no? Town WILL lose if we lynch the SK y'know, I'll lose too IF I was the SK right nao but im not.

It may sound hard to believe but, I am town, trying to salvage this game.

This may be my last post so, do what you will with this game Town Players, it's at your hands.

On March 10 2012 10:16 deconduo wrote:
If you want useful reads:
-Paper is SK.
-Probulous, Toast are town
-Snarfs, Blue, AKCT are scum.

On March 12 2012 10:52 Snarfs wrote:
One thing I'm curious about is this: TheToast tunneled Pandain the entire game until he flipped town. It doesn't seem like something scum would do because it immediately casts them in suspicion when that person flips.

How often does scum do that?

On March 13 2012 12:40 Snarfs wrote:
Time to point out a nice little mod error!

Jackal was listed as "shot on night 2" for the better part of a few days as opposed to the traditional "killed on night 2" while Paperscraps claimed that his vig role came with a high-calibre rifle...

But that wasn't why my mind changed so radically on Paper. I saved Palmar night 2 and knew there were two KP on him. The vig claim was the only thing that made sense. I tried to make it as obvious that I was defending Paper as I dared without giving myself away but clearly I didn't do a good enough job .

On March 13 2012 12:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:I decided to give A Killer Cuppa Tea another 24 hours to show up, and didn't like the idea of a close game being decided by a modkill, so I let the night play out. The funny think is, AKCT just PMed me 2 minutes ago.

On March 13 2012 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

How so?

On March 13 2012 14:55 syllogism wrote:
Probulous if you can't correctly identify bluelightz's alignment based on what he posts, even in this game, you are the one who needs to improve. He also clearly does care