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On March 02 2012 11:26 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
My reason for voting you was a high concentration of Mechanics post coupled with very few Scumhunting posts (at the time). I made that clear in my 2nd post when i realised that it might not have been obvious to everyone that that was what i was getting at (was pretty damned hungover at the time of making that first post). I've explained that its not so much the mechanics/policy posts that are the scummy part, its them at the absence (or infrequency) of anything else. Since then you've started scumhunting proper, which pretty much negates my reason for voting you, and a couple of other things have convinced me of your towniness. Successful probing, imo.
Incidentally, i'd like to stress again that its not your policy that i had a problem with. It was the discussion of policy with a lack of anything else. Its another reason why i dont like discussions on policy alone - too easy for scum to hide there.
Would you vote for misder then?
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ROFL
"People are talking about how lurking is bad. Probulous spams it up, potentially as a result of this anti-lurker sentiment".
That's some serious mental gymnastics. Especially since we have played together before and I posted a lot then too. Anyway, from your response I think you just didn't think through your vote clearly.
##unvote
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"His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous)."
People really are not being clear in this game. Misder, please can you clarify your reason for voting for decon? My understanding is that his reads are bad and his reason for voting for you was your position on LAL. Is that correct?
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Jackal given you said this in Mafia L
On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared.
Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game. I agree with Palmar that he has been hiding which is scummy as hell. His case on Pandain is insubstantial and he isn't here. I have never played with him but since Jackal has a history of recognising Sandroba's scum, I think your opinion here would be useful.
LOL at Palmar basically calling me an SK.
"I'm not quite sure about probulous, something is off about his play I think, but I can't exactly tell if it's because he's scum. "
If my play is off (implying I am not town) and I am not scum, I must be an SK right? Sorry to disappoint you but this game I rolled regular townie. I will try and improve my play so it isn't so "off". It's time for bed here (early start tomorrow). I will check in, in the morning and vote before I head off to the wedding. Sorry I can't be at the deadline but there are some things more important than mafia (shock horror).
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On March 02 2012 19:59 Probulous wrote:Jackal given you said this in Mafia L Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared. Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game.
Jackal, maybe you missed this. Please can you respond.
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On March 02 2012 12:33 Probulous wrote:
"His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous)."
People really are not being clear in this game. Misder, please can you clarify your reason for voting for decon? My understanding is that his reads are bad and his reason for voting for you was your position on LAL. Is that correct?
Misder, please respond to my question.
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Right now my reads correlate best with Palmar. I don't think Paperscraps is scum. He always writes very short posts with not much content, he correctly identified me as town early and I agree that decon's case was terrible. Sure Misder had engaged in a fluffy discussion regarding LAL (with me) but if that is all the case was based on then bluelightz should have been a bigger target. He was asking everyone for their opinions and sharing none. I agree that his absence since then and his terrible reason for voting decon (as far as I can tell) makes look really scummy but when Paperscraps replied the case was very weak.
Jackal is making himself hard to read. As above I disagree with paper but agree with Misder. He's lurking but that seems to be his usual day 1 play. Pandain seems towny to me. His case on toast helped clarify toast's alignment to me. Adam needs to post something of substance. His only game as scum (that I remember) he lurked all game long.
Sandroba, you're not helping yourself. The quote from Jackal in L corresponds very well to your current play. This is why I want Jackal's opinion. He shot you then, would he shoot you now? Toast is right to call you out for lack of contribution. Your response enforces his case.
##vote Sandroba
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On March 03 2012 06:07 Pandain wrote:He was consistent because he had to explain himself. All the posts were related to you calling him out(unjustly). And just because he's consistent doesn't mean he's not scum. I look at all those posts in a different perspective. The apologetic mood(refer to Ver's analysis of Misder in "How to Improve", the strong reaction to being accused, and the lack of any contribution to town(all he's done is defend himself) is very suspicious to me. I feel the suspicions against Misder are weak. The real suspicious thing hes done is his latest post, where he just posted a list with no substance, but people seem to focus on his earlier posts, which took place at the very beginning of the game. I don't think there's a better case on Misder then there is Toast.
Toast has since changed his position. He has correctly pointed out Sandroba's lurking and has been the most forceful in defending me. Now he could be scum, but if he keeps playing like this I don't mind keeping him around. I think you are focused on his early play. His play since then has been better than most.
Misder however when called out responded with a terrible list of towny people and voted decon for reasons that still don't make sense to me. He then disappeared. The attitude is completely different. One of them has clearly tried to better the other hasn't.
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On March 03 2012 06:20 Pandain wrote:
Stop saying stuff like "correctly"... "correctly..."
How do you know what is correct? "They have correctly identified me as town", mafia do that all the time. In fact one of the best ways to gain town cred as mafia is to say "yeah this guy is innocent" when he's getting lynched.
And his latest play is suspicious. The harsh reaction to Sandroba's bad vote reasoning, as well as to my quote of the above material, hes playing like he's mafia.
Misder's made one crappy post and now people are lynching him. And personally, there is more reason for the mafia to try to get better than for a bored townie.
He could be town or he could be mafia. Right now he is doing things I agree with. Why would I lynch him? You are right in that I could be wrong but so could you. I think Sandroba is scum, he is pushing Sandroba. Either he is bussing his team-mate (unlikely day 1 but could be true) or he is town with a correct read. From what I read he is making an effort to improve. You are right in that scum can do that as well, but if they do they become clearer to read. They make their views more apparent and ultimately become easier to catch.
Toast may be scum but I will not be voting for him today unless something drastic happens in the next few hours.
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Adam I am not sheeping Palmar. You hadn't produced anything of note until recently. Sandrona is actively lurking and seemingly has no interest in this game. When he is town he has shown skill in putting together decent cases. He isn't even bothering to try this game. He played like this L where he was scum. Add those together and you get mafia.
My vote stands. I am heading to the wedding now. The cases against Paper and Decon are terrible. Misder is a maybe. Toast looks town to me. Palmar has some interesting points and his reads aligned with mine, I won't be voting for him today.
From phone.
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On March 03 2012 15:36 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 13:46 Jackal58 wrote:
You have got to be shitting me. 3 votes? Really? 3 fucking votes? And nobody has posted since the fucking flip?
You have got to be fucking shitting me. Oh, give me a break. If you are are so unimpressed with the current state of the game, why don't you try contributing something instead of lurking and trolling.
That is the towniest thing you've done all game 
Jackal if you were so adamant that paper was scum your two line case that he OMGUSing is not enough. Push harder next time. Paper did more than Misder who turned up town. I still think sandroba is scum. Drunk or not. The case against Misder was weak but he did place a crappy vote and then disappear. You don't shoot everyone who voted for him. Sarcasm or not that is a stupid comment to make because real vigs might take you seriously.
RG stop playing the idiot. No-one believes the 1001 things you have claimed. Going to bed now. Thoughts in the morning.
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On March 01 2012 12:16 Probulous wrote: As my first act I want to call out Bluelightz! Every game I have read or played with you I have not been able to tell your alignment. This diverts unecessary attention and time away from useful scum hunting. So shape up and be active. If you lurk this game I will make sure you swing from the yard-arm.
I know it is odd to quote yourself out of nowhere but I feel this has been neglected.
@Bluelightz, what the shit?
I asked you in my very first post to not lurk. You started the game by spamming stupid policy questions and asking everyone under the sun for their opinions. Then you disappeared. The only thing of yours that is more than two lines is your ridiculous reads page. Let's take a look.
On March 03 2012 09:56 Bluelightz wrote:Jackal58 - Leaning Scum - He post's nothing of worth and is useless. rgTheSchworz - Leaning Third Party Maybe - This post is interesting because IF he is the SK he is trying to make people thinking he's not the SK
Right now, I believe rgTS has the largest chance of being scum so I am voting him. ##Vote: rgTheSchworz
I'll ignore the fact that you voted for Paperscraps because he made a useless list for now  What the fuck is this? You have been told numerous times not to post town/null lists. At least this time you label someone red. But your reason is so majorly hypocritical and stupid it hurts my brain. Jackal, from what I have read always lurks day 1. But the real kicker is that you then decide not to vote for him? Instead you vote for the person you called third party and then in the same post they changed to scum?
You also left your vote there when it was clear he was never going to get lynched. That is an easy way to avoid responsibility.
I charged you this game with making your alignment clear. Especially by not lurking. You have chosen not to do this. In addition you are voting and pushing people with stupid reasoning. If you don't provide something useful before the end of today, I will be happy pushing for your lynch. You know that people have let you off previously for lurking. That is why I called you out, if you continue to do it I can only assume you are doing it on purpose and so must die.
Before someone says he can't be scum because they wouldn't let him post like this, he has done this before and gotten off with that excuse. I wouldn't put it past them to use that against us.
Sorry about the wall, told you it was hard to avoid 
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Final Vote Count:
Misder - 3
deconduo
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Jackal58
Sandroba - 3
Palmar
Probulous
Snarfs
TheToast - 3
Pandain
Sandroba
TheToast
Palmar - 2
Paperscraps
Adam4167
deconduo - 1
Misder
Paperscraps
Pandain - 1
Sandroba
rgTheSchworz
TheToast
rgTheSchworz - 1
Bluelightz
Probulous - 0
rgTheSchworz
A Killer Cuppa Tea - 0
Probulous
Paperscraps - 0
Bluelightz
Snarfs
inb4 posting useless lists 
These people need to explain their votes
TheToast
You deliberately chose to vote for someone who was not going to be lynched. Your vote was at 11:50 and you voted for Pandain who had two votes at the time. It was obvious that only Sandroba or Misder were possible candidates because everyone had already placed their votes. Yours was last. You effectively chose Misder over Sandroba without saying so.
Explain.
Paperscraps
I can't find your vote on Palmar. What the hell happened with your vote, the only thing I see in your filter is a vote for decon. Am I missing something?
Adam
You were at a wedding yesterday so I expected you to be absent like myself (I tried to be around). But you posted at 1:30 before deadline when most votes had already been placed. So you had the information available to make a choice for a candidate who had the possibility of being lynched. You voted for Palmar when it was clear he was not a possible candidate. I can't find Paperscraps' vote so right now you effectively voted on your own. Nice way to avoid taking responsibility for a lynch. Explain.
Bluelightz
As explained in my previous post about you. What the fuck dude?
These four had votes for people who clearly had little to no chance of being lynched. Now doubt you are all scum but I am sure that at least one of you is. What easier way to avoid taking responsibility for your vote then by placing it on someone who will not be lynched. I've done that as scum successfully in the past.
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I leave the thread for a while and this happens!
Nice ploy Pandain, I agree AKCT gets town for his response.
This I find strange
On March 04 2012 12:28 Adam4167 wrote:
Cant say i'm surprised with that.
I was very surprised.
Rg basically claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran. Here is something I wrote and was keeping for when his claims became useful.
Claims to be able to half sandrobas chance of surviving night -> Vig/SK
On March 01 2012 16:28 rgTheSchworz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:02 sandroba wrote:
I'm kinda bore with Lynch all Liars/Lurkers talk. This game we shall try something new: Lynch whoever I tell you to lynch and win. It works wonders. Your chances of surviving another night are now halved,sir. ... Ive randomed a purely awesome role this game.
Repeat of above -> Vig/SK
On March 01 2012 21:06 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Yeah, and Mr Hydra, I rolled something awesome this game, so I can make Sandro and others pay for their cockiness.
Claims not to be SK -> Vig
On March 02 2012 03:48 rgTheSchworz wrote:
it s probable that we dont have an SK.
...
So, Mr SK, we lynch u after all scum have gone,ok?
Therefore is either a Vig or a Veteran trying to get shot in a really stupid way (again).
The he says
On March 03 2012 19:33 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Who said I m a vig?
I didnt roll scum, FYI.
So just from reading his filter his claims don't make sense. Strange hit for me. I guess I was wrong about his attempts to get shot being stupid but that just says mafia aren't reading filters properly.
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On March 04 2012 09:05 Adam4167 wrote:
I didn't support either of the 'main' lynches yesterday and considering the votes ended up being split 3-3 in favour of your two main candidates, neither did most other people.
I was not avoiding responsibility by not voting for Misder, go read my filter, I didn't think he was scum. Lazy, yes. scum, no. I also didn't vote for sandroba on similar reasons, I think he is being lazy or just plain doesn't give a shit, which is not indicative of his alignment to me.
So I was presented with the 'choice' of voting for two people, neither of which I find overly scummy. So I decided to provoke Palmar, partly because I feel his play is different to what I expect from town Palmar, partly to gain a better read on him in case I am wrong and he is town.
The result is I still don't know what his alignment is. I asked him to produce more content (in the form of a case on me), but he refused as he was hell-bent on only focusing on sandroba yesterday, so I don't know what to make of him.
Fair enough. You had explained your reasons for not voting these two. Misder's was a little difficult to find but it is in there.
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On March 04 2012 10:41 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright, at the time I didnt believe either Sandroba or Misder was scum.
At the time I already said I wouldnt be there for the deadline so I couldnt change it.\
I voted rgTS like I said, he had the highest chance of flipping scum to me.
What above the rest of my post? Don't you go lurking again or I will push for your lynch. You have provided nothing this game and I still can't read you. Read some filters, find me a useful quote, do something and I will get off your back.
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On March 04 2012 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Since you've claimed blue already, can you tell me if you Tracked AKCT or if you Watched rgTheSchworz? I assume its the latter, but id like to know for sure.
What use does that answer provide to town? The only possible thing I can think of is that he didn't believe Pandain and was using this as a way of getting him to possibly slip up. Pandain had announced his suspicion of AKCT so it makes sense for him to follow him. I don't see why watching RG would necessarily be more likely. As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter.
Even if you disregard the above, why ask? I read guilty concience here. Mafia shot RG and wanted to find out if they had been caught. If Pandain claims he tracked AKCT, no harm done. If he claims he watched RG they can counterclaim because they know they were the one's who were shot RG. Thus Pandain was either lying or he knows they are scum. They know that he knows. Thus the only possible way out is to counterclaim as soon as possible with more information.
It is a scummy scummy question.
##vote Adam4167
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On March 05 2012 05:46 sandroba wrote:
I got hit last night btw.
This adds more evidence for a SK. Unless there is a really trigger happy Vig. I doubt our vigs (if we have any) would shoot night 1. Mafia shooting (they could have a vig) you makes little to no sense, you were the highest (tied) voted for person on day 1, you were always going to be under suspicion today. I'm not sure what else to draw from this.
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On March 05 2012 08:30 Adam4167 wrote:This is just spam, Probulous. I was not surprised at all that he flipped townie, nor was I surprised that he was lying all game. You didn't even believe all of his claims, you said as much here: Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:42 Probulous wrote:
RG stop playing the idiot. No-one believes the 1001 things you have claimed. Going to bed now. Thoughts in the morning.
Well I gues that is a misunderstanding of what you were surprised at, I read it as you were not surprised he was shot.
Your post doesn't even make sense, you start by stating that he claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran, then somehow finish that he's possibly a Vig or Veteran. What was the point of even posting that wall of text? It contributes nothing.
There was no way he was going to be a vig, he even stated so in the last thing I quoted. His claims made no sense so to me it is surprising he was shot. I read your post as not finding this surprising.
The answer to that question provides nothing to town. It provides information to me. I ask because I wanted to know what Pandain was claiming to get a better grasp on if he was fake-claiming.
How? I don't see how you could know Pandain was fakeclaiming unless you knew shot RG. You also seem to be claiming you are not town but I'll take that as a heat of the moment thing.
"As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter", No, you didn't. You finished with the conclusion that he was a Veteran or a Vig.
It is not a scummy question. Why aren't you calling me scum? You're implying it, but you aren't saying it.
My vote makes it clear I think you are scum. If it makes you feel better, here how about this.
Adam4167 is scum.
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On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote:
Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not.
No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum.
Why would you ask that question? The answer provides nothing to town. So Pandain watched him, what difference does it make? That information is useless to everyone except mafia. The useful information was that AKCT visited RG. I don't know if you just don't understand what I was explaining or whether you just don't believe it. If you need clarification of my point, just ask.
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