EPTBecause my vote was decided by his absence yet he gets to live. There were three people on me and if he was around I might have been able to convince him to go with Bluelightz. If I could get Snarfs as well then Bluelightz would have died. This is of course all circumstantial because it didn't happen but his absence really limited what I could do to prevent my lynch. For him to escape censure by showing up after three days of no posting in my opinion would be unfair.
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Because my vote was decided by his absence yet he gets to live. There were three people on me and if he was around I might have been able to convince him to go with Bluelightz. If I could get Snarfs as well then Bluelightz would have died. This is of course all circumstantial because it didn't happen but his absence really limited what I could do to prevent my lynch. For him to escape censure by showing up after three days of no posting in my opinion would be unfair. | ||
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On March 13 2012 14:55 syllogism wrote: Probulous if you can't correctly identify bluelightz's alignment based on what he posts, even in this game, you are the one who needs to improve. He also clearly does care I get really frustrated playing with him because I can never tell what alignment is, I made it my mission this game to make him post stuff and it failed. He got me lynched because he voted for me based on a hunch and then abandoned the thread. I am not sure what else to do. I gave very specific advice on how to make himself useful and he intentionally ignored it, and he is town? I just don't know how to improve on this. It isn't only him. AKCT was similar as was Misder. They lurk hardcore and then post stuff that is either really scummy or neutral. How do you get a town read on people who can't be bothered to participate? I'm serious in that any advice on this front would be welcome. I am genuinely frustrated and it ruined the game for me. | ||
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 I'm thinking of completely changing how I play. I think I post too much and dominate the thread making it easy for others to hide. My cases are getting shorter which is good, I just need to tone down the number of posts. I really need a way to deal with lurkers though, I mean end game here there were two town lurkers and a medic, how do you win a game like that? | ||
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On March 13 2012 18:47 Palmar wrote: I told you to lynch deconduo, why didn't you listen? Because when I asked if you sure you never responded. I could only assume you had changed your mind. | ||
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On March 13 2012 20:28 Palmar wrote: I love how I just couldn't figure out what was wrong with your play. I said it like 2-3 times. That was why I shot you :p I knew you would get it soon and then i would be lynched | ||
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On March 14 2012 05:44 Mattchew wrote: OH btw... palmar was double stacked so that was super lucky for scum and prob otherwise it woulda probably been gg That was a calculated guess. I figured that the medic would probably be on Palmar but there was no way I could let him live. Surviving one day with him being suspicious of me was lucky enough. Besides after he outed sandroba I figured that scum would go after him, especially if they had a vig. Yes it was a gamble but if he was protected I could always blame it on scum. This role was really weird because I had to balance out trying to kill scum and removing powerful townies. Night 1 I was sure of sandroba but so was the mafia medic but at least it confirmed him to me. Night 2 Palmar had to go. Night 3 was a tough one, in hindsight I should have shot Bluelightz but I wanted to push a Pandain lynch on the final day. There seemed enough suspicion around him to do it. I was certain that Paperscraps was a Vig so shooting him would make those that pushed his lynch look worse than they already did. I figured going into the final lynch with 3:2:1 would give me a shot at lynching scum for a 3:1:1 night. I could then shoot town and hope that mafia shot town for a win. With AKCT missing if he was modkilled it made my job even easier as it would be 2:2:1 so all I had to do was shoot the scum medic to win. The whole thing was a balancing act but it almost came off. If Bluelightz had switched to Toast it would have been 2:1:1 with the final scum outed. If decon shot me or didn't shoot town he would have died leaving a final day of Bluelightz, me and snarfs. I am certain I could have pushed snarfs to vote for Bluelightz and win the game. If he shot one of the townies, I would straight up win. I was so close, so close, but just not close enough. Oh well. | ||
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On March 14 2012 23:45 TheToast wrote: As far as ACKT's absence making this unfair, that's completely rediculous. Town was about to lynch Bluelightz, and we knew who the SK was, Probulous you would've died in the night. Unless you were planning on hitting Decon, you were still going to lose. Frankly, Wiggle's decision not to modkill AKCT actually made things pretty even. The point being that if the same thing had gone down with AKCT being around I could possibly have swung the vote. You guy had outed yourselves, I never got the chance to even try because he didn't vote. Your responsibility in these games is to vote and there should be accountability for them. My options were essentially whittled down to convincing an absent bluelightz to switch which is something I might not have had to do if AKCT was around. Letting him off scott free would be unfair in my opinion. I would not have died that night, you forget I was a veteran as well. You guys had outed yourselves so I knew that decon had to be the medic because you were just so out there compared to him. Now you can say you wouldn't have done this if he wasn't here but then I would not have been lynched. As for Bluelightz destroying you, I'd like to see it. It would change a lot of things in my mind. | ||
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On March 15 2012 09:43 TheToast wrote: There's no guarantee AKCT would've voted for Bluelightz. And we outed ourselves with three minutes to go on Day 4, there was not much chance for town to respond. We were counting on that. Whether AKCT could have changed the outcome of the game is impossible to say. If you still have a problem with it, you should take it up with Flamewheel or GMarshal. Either way Wiggles was put in a difficult position and I think he made the right choice not to mod kill him. I fully agree that it put Wiggles in a difficult position I clearly don't have an issue because he didn't turn up. The point is you have these rules to avoid exactly these things. What is the point if you don't follow them. Honestly Probulous, I think you're being a bit of a sore loser. Scum team had a teammate that put in zero effort this game. His posts scream scum, he made no attempt to defend himself, and we were left with the prospect of losing this game because of it. He may not have gone completely inactive but it was close; he had like 5 total posts in the Mafia QT. Bottom line is people going inactive and getting modkilled are part of this game, you need to plan for it and be able to react to it in turn. I full admit that I should have realised you guys could switch the vote, that doesn't mean that it is alright for people to just not bother. The difference with being scum is you don't need a majority to make decisions. You can play with one man down because town doesn't know who you are. Hell bussing your dodgy guy is a valid play. It doesn't work the same way for town because I cannot tell whether the "dodgy" guy is actually dodgy or not. The point is people who don't bother look exactly like scum so it effectively gives you more numbers. You're right, I did forget that you had veteran status and maybe that would have helped. But the reality is you didn't have a single good read on scum the whole game. (sandro doesn't really count, he wasn't trying and we pushed his lynch) You were also about to kill another townie and the only chance you had to win was if you shot decon. From what you were posting it didn't seem terribly likely to me that would happen. It's not like you played the game of your life and had it snatched away from you in some crazy upset. You had a major slip up that clearly outed yourself and allowed us to out maneuver you, that's what I see as the core of this game. I shot sandro night 1. So no, sandro does count. If you guys had not switched I would probably have shot you. So yeah you would have won the following night. I believe I played well this game. My focus was on keeping the balance between scum and powerful townies. I shot scum night 1 and correctly guessed your shot night 2. I got distracted by sandroba's lynch and stopped pushing you which was a major mistake. Adam's case against me and his reasoning for voting for sandroba occupied me day 3, another mistake but one I don't feel bad about. He looked scummy, he doesn't normally play like that, I'm ok with that. That slip-up was a simple mistake and if it is what confirmed me then you were lucky. I was really frustrated with you because you were putting credence in an idea that made no sense to me. I tried to make sure all my reasoning didn't require me being an SK. I just happened to discount the possibility of a mafia vig because it made no sense. Like I said earlier, not great but overall I am happy with my play. Question for you, who did you think the SK was before that? I was sure you guys knew who I was from really early game. I was just banking on you WIFOMing a medic save and me having an extra life. | ||
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