EPTAs you know, I'm replacing Steveling. This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person. I'm still catching up on the thread (a little over half way through right now). I'll be up to speed and in the discussion a few hours from now.
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As you know, I'm replacing Steveling. This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person. I'm still catching up on the thread (a little over half way through right now). I'll be up to speed and in the discussion a few hours from now. | ||
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Thoughts on Day 1 Voting I was torn between thinking that all of the push to vote igabod was useless and counter-productive, and thinking that it was a good alternative in to a no lynch in a spot where we didn't have a lot of information. When I had only read up to the end of Day 1, I was definitely suspicious of Chocolate, but knew his case was far from 100%. As such, I want to look back and say a no lynch was clearly the right move, but if I had had to cast a vote, it probably would have been for Chocolate, since he seemed to be the most likely to be scum at that point in time. Current Reads + Show Spoiler + Some of these are dependent or conditional on my thoughts of other people, so I'll try my best to order them in the way that's easiest to consume in order. Alderan - He is definitely the player I'm most suspicious of right now. In addition to the other points mentioned in the recent cases against him, his attempts to get players to move from igabod to steveling make me think he has some information about igabod that everyone else doesn't. nttea (igabod) - I really wish I had more information here. Right now its basically a null read, but if Alderan flips red, my suspicion of him goes up drastically. Janaan - Someone suspicious, but he seems to be getting a decent amount of scrutiny right now, so I'm confident we'll have the information we need before the next lynch comes around. I think he also looks scummier if Alderan turns out to be mafia. Chocolate - As has been noted, he's been pretty aggressive and someone willing to target anyone. This makes me want to keep an eye on him. gumshoe - For as active as he has been he hasn't really said that much meaningful. I think he probably deserves more scrutiny than he has gotten, although I'm far from ready to lynch him. sloosh - His early inactivity had me suspicious, but I'm back to a null read on him after his posts lately. zelblade (FourFace) - I feel like he may have been put in a hard spot here. FF's posts seemed pro-town to me, but I don't know how much to trust that info given the crazy/troll nature. I'm definitely leaning townie on him, but new info could change my opinion quickly. I wish I had more information on: JekyllAndHyde, phagga, k2hd Some of these are time zone/RL issues, but the jury is still out on these 3 for me. I could definitely still go either way. Basically neutral reads: DoYouHas, NightFury, ghost_403 Early suspicions of ghost seemed to get cleared up pretty well. I'm not ready to call pro-town on anyone this early, but these three are on the right track. | ||
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On February 29 2012 10:10 Janaan wrote: I'd like to hear a bit more from TestSubject if possible. I just have a couple questions for him about his reads post. First, you say that before the vote, you would have voted for Chocolate if you were given the chance. Now, you just say you're keeping your eye on him. So you went from "most likely to be scum" to maybe scum, maybe not scum. What changed?1 Second, you find me scummy. Why not pressure? As of yet, there aren't even any formal accusations, just a couple people posting reads on me. What do you find scummy about me? 2 I'm also a bit confused about why Alderan flipping red makes me more scummy. Considering that he's the one who first said that he found me scummy, I would have thought the opposite. What's your logic here?3 Now that JekyllAndHyde and phagga have posted a bit more, are you getting anything from them, or do you still need more information?4 1. I think that Chocolate seemed the most scummy then, not that it was enough to thoroughly convince me he was 100% red. I'd still say he's scummy, but I think there are enough people after him right now that by the time the next vote rolls around we'll have a lot of conclusions drawn about him to work from. 2. It just seems like you are posting enough to get by without being considered as a lurker, and not really saying anything incredibly bold. Very under-the-radar kind of play. As far as not pressuring, I don't feel confident enough in any of these reads to act without interacting a little more with the involved parties first. Despite having read everything, I haven't actually interacted with anyone in a back-and-forth manner yet. We'll see how I feel about these reads after I'm actively involved in the discussions. 3. Well, Alderan seems to keep mentioning you as someone he is suspicious of without really going too hard. It just gave me a vibe of him trying to appear hard on you without actually being. Honestly after looking at it more closely, I'm not as confident about it anymore; its more of a hunch than anything. 4. I'm feeling like phagga is pretty pro-town, but the hydra thing for JekyllAndHyde and throwing me off I think. Still can't tell you how I feel about him/them. Like I mention in 2, those were more of initial reads, I'm sure I'll change my mind on some things eventually. Let me know if you have any more questions. | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:20 gumshoe wrote: umm why would you say that? You've basically told mafia who to lynch tomorrow. Mafia Roleblocker - You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked (even if they didn't have a night action). You do not have to use your action every night. I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.) | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:34 gumshoe wrote: this is still a problem because your telling the mafia your not blue, best not to discuss night actions unless you have a useful conclusion to state as a result. I think he's not claiming blue and also not claiming green. Either way, I think it was ok, let's just drop it before we out any blues. | ||
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On February 29 2012 23:58 JekyllAndHyde wrote: Okay, just a quick thought before I go to uni: 1)If Alderan is scum, then him killing a player he was going to push later doesn't make any sense, since he's hindering scums ability to push for a misslynch on said player, and he's hindering his own survival too. 2)If Alderan is town and scum are trying to frame him, it doesn't make any sense either. If you are trying to frame someone as scum, you kill the players pressuring him, you don't kill the players he's pressuring. Also, it wouldn't be a very good job at framing him, if any townie can figure out (1) and know it doesn't make sense for Alderan to kill Janaan from a scum POV. So this makes me think, that either this was very bad scum play, or Janaan was killed independantly of any effects caused on Alderan and other players' thoughts on him. I'd just want to address this now so people (i.e gumshoe) don't dwell on this WIFOM for too much longer. /Hyde I agree totally this Hyde on this one. I don't think there is anything we can deduce and so we should probably just drop it. On March 01 2012 00:23 phagga wrote: + Show Spoiler + We have no idea what the motives of the mafia are. We can only speculate. And if we speculate wrong, we might start hunting and lynching people for the wrong reasons, we will get WIFOM, it will create more uncertainty than facts. The only ones profiting from it will be the mafia. There is no benefit in guessing what the mafia is up to. Also, it does not matter. Whatever the mafia wanted to achieve, we just need to make sure that we can lynch them, then we win. Also, the way you questioned zelblade looked heavily like rolefishing, so stop it. We only risk that towns (green and blue) accidentally slip information about their role, and that benefits mafia as well. Our focus must be in finding out who is red, not who is green and blue. The roleblock on zelblade does not help us at the moment. It may be useful later when we have more information on everything. But for now, it opens two possibilities: - zelblade got roleblocked. That would make him pretty much confirmed town. - Zelblade is mafia, mafia did not use their roleblock, and zelblade pretends to have been roleblocked to look confirmed town. That would make him confirmed scum. We cannot know which one of the above is true at this time. So please, let's drop this topic and try to find scum instead. And I agree with phagga on this one. So the way I see it, we're basically in the same spot information wise as we were last night. Gumshoe's play seems odd, and I'm not sure what to take out of it. Of everyone, he's the one I'm most eager to here more from today. We'll see how the day shapes up. Note: While I was putting this together zel posted about and voted for gumshoe and sloosh posted a decently sized post. I'll catch up on those when I get back. | ||
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With that said, after having the day to think, I've concluded gumshoe's badgering of zelblade was terribly suspicious and until I'm convinced that someone else is scummier than that, you can pencil me in as voting for a gumshoe lynch. Oh, and I should mention that I think his whole "I'm bored" thing is not really worth worrying about. It could be that he's a mafia who realizes he's dug himself in a hole and doesn't want to play it out, or that he's just a townie who is legitimately bored. We have no way of knowing, so it does not effect my opinion of his alignment. | ||
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On March 02 2012 04:39 gumshoe wrote: Seeing as lurking is the theme of this game I've conducted an analysis of this games biggest lurker! To start heres some fun fact, in his grand total of 11 posts test has stated that he is a newb on five diffrent occaisons, each time with more emphasis than the last. + Show Spoiler + This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase? I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.) Is he claiming blue? I don't think he is. Everybody can calm down. (I think. I an after all the newbiest one here it seems, so I may be eating these words.) The second interesting thing is that test has not said one original thing, period, everything he's commented on has either been irrelevant or has been stated by someone else first. First of all, calling be the game's biggest lurker is blatantly untrue. nttea has only 3 posts, and has not posted reads, which I have. When you consider the amount of time I've been in the game (missing the first 60 or so hours), my posts per play time is comparable to JekyllAndHyde, phagga, NightFury, slOosh and k2hd. Concerning my statements about my inexperience: I legitimately believe that I am the newbiest player in this game. I have never played online before, which seemingly most other players have, and the "meta-game" of the people I've played live with before seems entirely different than it is in this game, almost certainly because of the increased length of days and nights. I've been having a really hard time analyzing any of this, because all of the things I knew before and I thought might apply to this game do not. I added those statements in hope that if I was do something wrong, people would correct and help me. Naturally, my difficulty analyzing the game has led me to not be able to come to many strong conclusions. Additionally, my joining the game late led to much of what I had to say already being said, as much of my time was spend on earlier content that had already been discussed. Concerning my vote today: Like I stated earlier, my early instinct was to vote for gumshoe, and despite good reasons brought up since then to vote for k2hd, gumshoe's lack of defense for his apparent blue-fishing have caused my opinion to stay the same. Additionally, although I had already made up my mind, his "analysis" of me began with false claims and harshly negative tone that were seemingly only an attempt to unfairly defame me. ##Vote: gumshoe | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 06:50 gumshoe wrote: Seeing as lurking is the theme of this game I've conducted an analysis of this games second biggest lurker(not much to read out of nttea)! To start heres some fun facts, in his grand total of 11 posts test has stated that he is a newb on five diffrent occaisons, each time with more emphasis than the last. + Show Spoiler + This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase? I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.) Is he claiming blue? I don't think he is. Everybody can calm down. (I think. I an after all the newbiest one here it seems, so I may be eating these words.) The second interesting thing is that test has not said one original thing, period, everything he's commented on has either been irrelevant or has been stated by someone else first. I will now laboriously set out to prove this, post by post( not too difficult though post count considered). 1)+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys! As you know, I'm replacing Steveling. This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person. I'm still catching up on the thread (a little over half way through right now). I'll be up to speed and in the discussion a few hours from now. Not much here, just letting us know hes in the game, his next post comes roughly four hours later. Responded to this already here # + Show Spoiler + 2) Heres his only real notable post, it deserves some analysis so here we go!+ Show Spoiler + Ok guys, I've caught up on the thread now. Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play. Anyway, on to my thoughts.. So a few lines of him saying hes new and pretty much that we shouldn't take his opinion seriously. + Show Spoiler + Thoughts on Day 1 Voting I was torn between thinking that all of the push to vote igabod was useless and counter-productive, and thinking that it was a good alternative in to a no lynch in a spot where we didn't have a lot of information. When I had only read up to the end of Day 1, I was definitely suspicious of Chocolate, but knew his case was far from 100%. As such, I want to look back and say a no lynch was clearly the right move, but if I had had to cast a vote, it probably would have been for Chocolate, since he seemed to be the most likely to be scum at that point in time. This opening post is fascinating because he really says absolutely nothing while discussing a very important topic, he says he's torn about the iga switch and hes not sure whether it was right or wrong and then dosent make any conclusions, he just says he's thought about it, then he says that we should've lynched chocolate, so clearly it was the wrong decicion right? But he never makes this conclusion, he seems to say that what happened yesterday was ok but today we gotta get the job done k guys? Also it naturally follows that accusing choc is the easiest decision he can possibly make. Moving on to his suspicions. gumshoe attacks my indecision on day 1 voting. (Note that I was not in the game for day 1.) I am honestly undecided on what the right move was. We won't know until the game ends or Chocolate dies whether or not that no lynch > Chocolate lynch, so I'm not sure why indecision here is a problem. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Current Reads + Show Spoiler + Alderan - He is definitely the player I'm most suspicious of right now. In addition to the other points mentioned in the recent cases against him, his attempts to get players to move from igabod to steveling make me think he has some information about igabod that everyone else doesn't. He makes it sound like the point about alderaan making the switch to steve is his point, its not, DYH and sloosh brought it up long ago, yet test specifically tries to make the point his own, basically his suspicions of alderaan are founded on other peoples suspicions, he is in essence bandwagoning a player who looks likely to be lynched without providing his own reasons. I'm not trying to assert that it is my point, only that it is the reasoning that backs my opinion. He's just putting words in my mouth here. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + nttea (igabod) - I really wish I had more information here. Right now its basically a null read, but if Alderan flips red, my suspicion of him goes up drastically. This is incredibly interesting, the exact opposite in fact of my earlier reasonings, earlier I grew suspicious of sloosh and felt that if I could lynch a lesser player with ties to sloosh I could ascertain his alignment, here test is suggesting the opposite, he says if we lynch an active player we can figure out a lesser ones alignment, why risk an active player in a game with so few commuters? Why not lynch nttea to get a grip on alderaan's alignment? Well the answer is a fascinating one if test is scum, because if he knows alderaan's town and lynches him, according to his reasoning applied backwards that should absolve nttea right? The reason he dosen't want to lynch nttea first is because nttea is scum, and if alderaan flips green before nttea flips red than nttea gets a pass, according to this post at least, this coupled with nttea's later proposition to default lynch alderaan is suspicius enough to warrant a case on one of them I would think, but neither have been brought to light, I will adress why I think that is the case later. Again putting words in my mouth, gumshoe assumes that my remarks mean that I want to lynch Alderan for the sole purpose of getting information about nttea/igabod. This is not what I said nor what I beleive. I had already stated my other reasons for being suspicious of Alderan, and the fact that gumshoe had clearly just read them makes me question how he could have even thought that I was proposing "if we lynch an active player we can figure out a lesser ones alignment" + Show Spoiler + Next part! + Show Spoiler + Janaan - Someone suspicious, but he seems to be getting a decent amount of scrutiny right now, so I'm confident we'll have the information we need before the next lynch comes around. I think he also looks scummier if Alderan turns out to be mafia. Did you know that test like alderaan was both suspected and suspicious by and of janaan? Earlier we wondered why janaan would kill his own suspect, what if it wasn't alderaan killing his own suspect, what if it was the other guy who had barely given and received pressure from janaan that ordered a hit that would seem only relevant to alderaan? This is a brilliant move regardless of wether or not town thinks alderaan did or didnt do it, because either way the wifome will only ever be relevant to Alderaan, because hes in the spot light, not test. This has nothing to do with wifome, its just a fact that if a guy dies you suspect his nemesis before you suspect his quarrelsome neighbour. Alderaan is test's cover. Also in case its relevant janaan had been called out long ago for flying under the radar by four face and a few other people, this idea is not his own. Also another thing, he says that if alderaan flips janaan looks scummy, why? Alderaan is pressuring janaan, wheres this connection? It really just sounds to me as if test is just trying to do everything in his power to get janaan lynched. Janaan already asked me about my hunch that Janaan/Alderan were connected (here). In fact, later in his post, gumshoe even quotes that very post! Other than that, this is all WIFOM that is so speculative that I don't even know how he expects me to respond. If anyone has specific questions here, feel free to ask. + Show Spoiler + next! + Show Spoiler + Chocolate - As has been noted, he's been pretty aggressive and someone willing to target anyone. This makes me want to keep an eye on him. Again another useless post, just says other people have found him suspicious and thats why he finds him suspicious. g+ Show Spoiler + umshoe - For as active as he has been he hasn't really said that much meaningful. I think he probably deserves more scrutiny than he has gotten, although I'm far from ready to lynch him. wont comment, I'm biased, will say though that alderaan suggested a case on me long before test did for these exact reasons. next! + Show Spoiler + sloosh - His early inactivity had me suspicious, but I'm back to a null read on him after his posts lately. Again nothing new, just stating the obvius, wont comment on any alliances or anything because once again I am biased twoards sloosh. + Show Spoiler + zelblade (FourFace) - I feel like he may have been put in a hard spot here. FF's posts seemed pro-town to me, but I don't know how much to trust that info given the crazy/troll nature. I'm definitely leaning townie on him, but new info could change my opinion quickly. pro town is a stretch, basically he's defending a whole new player on the basis of the old players insanity, still though by saying new information can change my opinion he leaves himself safe in case zell is brought under scrutiny. + Show Spoiler + I wish I had more information on: JekyllAndHyde, phagga, k2hd Some of these are time zone/RL issues, but the jury is still out on these 3 for me. I could definitely still go either way. Nothing to note really. + Show Spoiler + Basically neutral reads: DoYouHas, NightFury, ghost_403 Early suspicions of ghost seemed to get cleared up pretty well. I'm not ready to call pro-town on anyone this early, but these three are on the right track. again not much to say, he doesn't provide reasoning for why these guys are ok, just says they are. He tells me my opinions are unoriginal again, which isn't inherently bad, in a post intended to recap my opinion of the first day. He also disagrees with my speculative reads that are presented as speculative. + Show Spoiler + Next post! one minute later. 3) + Show Spoiler + P.S. Everytime I seem someone use the term WIFOM I can't help but laugh as I recall that scene from The Princess Bride . fluff 4) this post comes 3 hours later. + Show Spoiler + Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase? I want to contribute, but I feel a bit directionless right now. I feel like I should be making a case, but I can't come up with a lot that's conclusive. Is it just a waiting game until we see the results of the night actions and then work from there? This is an interesting post, two possibilities. a) Test is town: Hes just a newb struggling to contribute. b) Test is scum: Hes trying to justify his inactivity with his growing newbie persona and perhaps trying to suggest that there is no alternative to inactivity for the moment. Again nothing of note here, he has contributed absolutely no opinions in so far. WIFOM/addressed in my previous post. + Show Spoiler + Next post 5) + Show Spoiler + 1. I think that Chocolate seemed the most scummy then, not that it was enough to thoroughly convince me he was 100% red. I'd still say he's scummy, but I think there are enough people after him right now that by the time the next vote rolls around we'll have a lot of conclusions drawn about him to work from. 2. It just seems like you are posting enough to get by without being considered as a lurker, and not really saying anything incredibly bold. Very under-the-radar kind of play. As far as not pressuring, I don't feel confident enough in any of these reads to act without interacting a little more with the involved parties first. Despite having read everything, I haven't actually interacted with anyone in a back-and-forth manner yet. We'll see how I feel about these reads after I'm actively involved in the discussions. 3. Well, Alderan seems to keep mentioning you as someone he is suspicious of without really going too hard. It just gave me a vibe of him trying to appear hard on you without actually being. Honestly after looking at it more closely, I'm not as confident about it anymore; its more of a hunch than anything. 4. I'm feeling like phagga is pretty pro-town, but the hydra thing for JekyllAndHyde and throwing me off I think. Still can't tell you how I feel about him/them. Like I mention in 2, those were more of initial reads, I'm sure I'll change my mind on some things eventually. Let me know if you have any more questions. Heres his interaction with janaan, His first comment on chocolate is nothing, he just says he looks scummy and by tomorrow people will have reasons that he looks scummy, but of course I'm not sure about chocolate he says, because only scum are sure right test? His next comment towards janaan is that he says he feels janaan has just been trying to be under the radar, Janaan has posted as much as the next guy could in this stagnant game, so I find his suspicion unfounded, especially because janaan actually flipped town, its also interesting here that test once again feels compelled to justify his inactivity by saying he hasn't had enough back and forth with other players to start pressuring, you get back and forth by pressuring, by asking questions, neither of which has test bothered to do then or since. He talks about my need to justify my inactivity in a post I made less than 9 hours after entering the game. At this point I had been posting at a rate of over 12 posts/day. gumshoe is either not thinking through his argument, or intentionally presenting an invalid one. + Show Spoiler + It's also interesting that the behaviur test has suggested janaan is exibiting(just barely flying under the radar) is the typical behaviour of a blue why would you pressure someone as town if you they exhibited blue behaviur? That can only spell disaster for said blue, the only time its recommended is if you are scum trying to bait said blue into revealing his alignment. The next part we see that phagga has gone from post more/null to pro town, what? How? When did this occur? He quickly moves on and says he cant bother to read jeckyl and hyde because they are a hydra, again he leaves the heavy lifting to us. Finally he says that his reads don't mean anything and are want to change to suit his needs, conviction is a townie mark, test has none. His 6th 7th and 8th and 9th posts happen around the same time frame three hours later, all of them are in critique of me for pressuring zell, not much to note as wrong for that, just on thing struck me as odd in this whole exchange Zell says, + Show Spoiler + Test so good at understanding my posts <3 Umm this is the first time the two of you have interacted,youve never played with test before, yet you sound grateful here, your warmer to test in this one sentence than you have been to anyone this whole game, just seemed odd to me but its not much to go on I admit. His 10th post involves him agreeing with other people and saying I am the best lynch suspect, his 11th is much the same. Why has there not been a case put out against the second biggest lurker available? A lurker who does not provide his own opinions continually proclaims himself a humble newb and tunnels the likeliest suspects? This is deeply worrying for me, I feel that if town was in control of this game test's name would've come up by now, yet somehow it hasnt. He ends my skipping over my posts about him, including this one, in which I am in fact the first one to present the opinion that gumshoe may just be wanting to quit the game because he was caught blue-fishing. In the end, his post comes off as looking for an opportunity to divert attention from himself onto an easy target: the obviously inexperienced and hesitant replacement. He harps on my number of posts, despite the fact that I haven't had as much time in the game as everyone else. His poor case reaffirms my opinion that gumshoe is the correct lynch today. | ||
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On March 02 2012 15:34 slOosh wrote: + Show Spoiler + TestSubject893: On March 02 2012 06:41 TestSubject893 wrote: Show nested quote + First of all, calling be the game's biggest lurker is blatantly untrue. nttea has only 3 posts, and has not posted reads, which I have. When you consider the amount of time I've been in the game (missing the first 60 or so hours), my posts per play time is comparable to JekyllAndHyde, phagga, NightFury, slOosh and k2hd. Concerning my statements about my inexperience: I legitimately believe that I am the newbiest player in this game. I have never played online before, which seemingly most other players have, and the "meta-game" of the people I've played live with before seems entirely different than it is in this game, almost certainly because of the increased length of days and nights. I've been having a really hard time analyzing any of this, because all of the things I knew before and I thought might apply to this game do not. I added those statements in hope that if I was do something wrong, people would correct and help me. Naturally, my difficulty analyzing the game has led me to not be able to come to many strong conclusions. Additionally, my joining the game late led to much of what I had to say already being said, as much of my time was spend on earlier content that had already been discussed. Concerning my vote today: Like I stated earlier, my early instinct was to vote for gumshoe, and despite good reasons brought up since then to vote for k2hd, gumshoe's lack of defense for his apparent blue-fishing have caused my opinion to stay the same. Additionally, although I had already made up my mind, his "analysis" of me began with false claims and harshly negative tone that were seemingly only an attempt to unfairly defame me. What is your stance on k2hd? You said that gumshoe was a better lynch choice based on his actions. How strong is your k2hd read and why? My read on k2hd is not very strong, and that was my main reason to vote for gumshoe instead. Gumshoe's played seemed blatantly scummy, and in retrospect, was probably intentionally so since he no longer wanted to play. Come to think of it actually, my read on k2hd is actually pretty neutral, although that's definitely up to change if I hear more from him. The cases made for voting for him were pretty decent, but his posts since have put me back toward neutral on him. | ||
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On March 03 2012 21:31 k2hd wrote: I know you weren't addressing me zelblade, but I totally forgot about testsubject. I just went through everyone's filters, and found myself repeatedly drawn towards testsubject's filter. Test, you've been in the game long enough to contribute more than you have up until now. While you were right when you rebutted gumshoe's point that you were trying to pass off other people's reasoning as your own, his main point still stands: you have not proposed any original cases or points yet, nor have you defended anybody you think is town (aside from stating you have a null/weak read on somebody which, of course, doesn't count). Your only original point so far is this post: A number other first time players in this game (including myself) have already been called out for playing like this earlier, and have attempted to contribute more. I think it is your turn to do so now. + Show Spoiler + Ghost, I have another question for you. You claim in this post here: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 07:44 ghost_403 wrote: Let's take but a moment to examine our dear friend Chocolate. My problem with him, in addition to the things that I brought up on Day 1, is that he brings nothing new to the game. He is the perfect example of a scummy lurker. His goal is to post enough in the thread to make himself look townie while providing nothing of value. Let's take a look at a couple of the posts that he's made. (Fun fact: these are in fact ALL of his posts since Night 1.) Can't figure out who he's talking to in this post. He basically says here that he doesn't like the people that voted to lynch him. Responds to me with a contentless post. Useless. TL;DR - I agree with Alderan, begin wishy-washy is bad, Steveling was a better lynch than Igabod (which Alderan already stated here). Next post, he defends himself from Phagga. Posts some thoughts, nothing profound. We have to note here that the only reason he did this was that he was provoked. Next three posts say nothing. Responds to pressure, nothing new. My favorite post. Yells at nttea for posting without saying anything. LOL. Tells us that the guy who thought about getting modkilled is kinda fishy. Profound thought here. Take a minute to go back and read through his filter. All of his posts thus far have been either, A) agreeing with other players, B) finding lurkers scummy, or C) defending himself. Chocolate has not brought anything new to this thread, and is therefore, a scummy lurker. That chocolate's posts consist of unoriginal content (he has since posted some original content), agreeing with others and defending himself. You take the time to make that large post, but don't bother taking the time to post even 1 or 2 points about testsubject, who has skated by (even after taking into account his shorter time here) even more than chocolate? Your only post addressing testsubject is this one: On March 02 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote: To clarify, nttea hasn't posted anything in two days. test has posted some. I don't think he's lurking, but I haven't looked too hard at him (yet). Is it going to end up something like this instead? On March 01 2012 07:44 ghost_403 wrote: Lest I be accused of tunneling, next one's for Alderan. On March 01 2012 08:25 ghost_403 wrote: Nevermind, I don't have enough to post on Alderan at the moment. My bad!  After my fourth reading, it seems that you are most consistent than I previously believed. Ok, so here's my dilemma. I've been pretty busy the last few days; I'm out of town visiting my girlfriend. The problem is that apparently, saying you won't have much time is scummy. On top of that, when I do catch up, what I conclude has already been said. Like you're telling me now, and I've been badgered for in the past, posting non-original opinions is scummy. The original opinions I do have are very speculative and inconsequential, but posting "wishy-washy" opinions is scummy. To top all of this off, I can't even really wrap my head around the obsession with everyone having to have some incredibly decisive opinion and shoving it down everyone's throat, then having their own alignment judged by it. My number one job in this game is to vote for mafia to be lynched. Second to that, I want to help persuade others to not vote for non-mafia. The only player I KNOW isn't mafia is myself, so when players accuse me, I do my best to defend myself, because its in the best interest of me and my teammates, whoever they are. This brings me to your point of me not defending anyone else as town. Why would I? I don't know who is town. It seems to me that optimal mafia play would be to act/post exactly the same as you would if you were town. If all of the mafia were to pull this off, the game just becomes a guessing game. So if I defend someone who I think is probably town, what does that help? I could be right, I could be wrong. Wouldn't it be better to try and attack who I think is mafia? I don't vote for who I think is town, I vote for who I think is mafia (see my number one job in the game). And finally, asking newbie questions, or not understating the strategy is also apparently scummy. So instead of trying to learn to online play, like you'd expect me to be able to do in a newbie game, I just spend my time not being able to flesh out a solid strategy and being forced to play within these seemingly arbitrary confines. Apparently "we're all newbs in this game", but you guys all seem to have some knowledge of a metagame that I have no idea of. | ||
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On March 04 2012 03:07 zelblade wrote: So lets say you think Player A is most likely town and about to be lynched. Would you really sit idly by, not giving a shit about said lynch, letting town derp into what you believe would be a mislynch, instead of defending him, explaining why you think he is town? Either way, you say that your aim is to vote mafia. So who do you think is mafia right now, and why? Well first of all by "most likely town" I assume you mean, that I believe they have a higher than 50% chance of being town. Its worth noting that on average, even having lost 3 townies, a players at random has a 64% chance of being town. Because there is some inherent uncertainty in every player, its possible that I could judge a player to be 50-50 and still have them in say, the top 3 most likely to be mafia. Anyway, if I think there is a significantly better lynch choice, I would lay out why said lynch is superior to lynching Player A. While I'm doing all the math here, I'll go ahead and just through out some percentages I'm thinking as for as chance that they are mafia. (Note these are influenced by the fact that they must add up to 400% because there are 4 mafia.) DoYouHas - 70% Alderan - 70% Chocolate - 60% k2hd - 45% ghost_403 - 40% JekyllAndHyde - 35% slOosh - 25% phagga - 25% NightFury - 20% zelblade - 10% I need to go, but go ahead and tell me which ones you'd like me to elaborate on, and I'll address them later today. | ||
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Skimming over the thread, it looks like the general consensus is to lynch is Alderan, who, like I stated before, is high on the list of likely mafia for me. I'm trying to make time to properly catch up and respond to the posts that I promised I would (like this one), but I'm still really busy and can't promise I'll be caught up until tomorrow night. ##Vote: Alderan | ||
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 Doing my best to come to a meaningful opinion in the next hour. | ||
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##Vote: Chocolate | ||
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