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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 06 2012 08:27 Chocolate wrote: Also guys, don't think me still existing is a coincidence. Now that we are so close to getting the mafia they are reverting to someone they had a strong case against earlier, but couldn't quite get the job done, to distract you all. Sloosh which 4 people do you most think are scum? I presume DYH and I top the list. Nice try, but I'm not biting. You are right to say DYH and you top the list. Posting the rest is essentially posting my reads on everyone as there are only 9 other players remaining (beside me), which does nothing to benefit town (as we can only lynch one at a time) and will only serve as a distraction. I'm not letting mafia shoot me, WIFOM discussion and lead a mislynch should one of my last choices be wrong. And being alive doesn't prove alignment either way; I'm pretty sure that mafia were trying to snipe blues. But how about you actually build a proper case instead of pointing fingers (or goading me into pointing at people for you)? All your current cases are just OMGUSes at people who think you are mafia. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Read his filter yourself, it is not that long. slOosh has focused all his aggression against Chocolate, Alderan, gumshoe, and myself. And no, his case on ghost doesn't count, even he states that it was a soft accusation, easily made and easily lifted. It carried no weight. That means that slOosh has spent this entire game trying to bring down 4 townies. I am confident in my scumlist, and almost all of them have come after Chocolate at some point. Either it is a long term bussing strategy or he is townie. The first is ridiculous, the second is highly probable. Even now slOosh and Ghost try to bury my comments and attack the value of them. On March 06 2012 05:33 ghost_403 wrote: @doyouhas I disagree with you, therefore I'm scum. Brilliant logic. Calm down. I'll dignify that with a proper response when I get home. Oh yes, I am completely absent logic and he will deign to come enlighten my poor self when he gets home. Avoids the actual content of my post and belittles me in such a short post. Impressive really. On March 06 2012 06:56 slOosh wrote: It's like he don't even read my posts. I was open to voting either one of DYH / Alderan. When I last posted it was 2-2. When I came back I find a 7-2 with 4 votes casted with absolutely no reasoning. He somehow thinks I bear total responsibility for the mislynch and that the four (of whom he is one) are absolved due to my "spearheading" with a total of 3 posts after my case. I want to lynch DYH for reasons other than those listed in the case: He keeps putting weight on things that actually have no weight. This is the newest addition to my case. He also is showing really poor reasoning and OMGUSing anyone who doesn't like him. These things happened before and are still continuing - don't think that my initial case is static - its been building with the new influx of information. Strangely, his response to me doesn't actually respond to anything I brought up. The heart of my post was that slOosh's worst fear this game is tunneling and mislynching a townie. That fear has become a reality, do slOosh's posts reflect that? no. He redirects blame onto the 4 of us that voted after him. What does he do when I point this out? Redirects back onto the 4 who voted after him. His wasn't the vote that clenched that majority, so clearly those who did are more to blame than him. Never mind that it was his suspicions and cases that pigeonholed the town into a choice between 2 townies. No, whatever way that lynch went, slOosh would have been the reason a townie got lynched. And as for those 4 that you want to throw the blame onto. I am one, I have town reads on Chocolate and Nightfury. So no, I don't think theirs were scum bandwagon votes. I think theirs were votes of someone who wanted a lynch in a less than ideal situation. "He keeps putting weight on things that actually have no weight." I hope that those of you out there who are actually townies do not buy this. You currently have 3 people out there who you know for certain that their motivations are townie. gumshoe, Alderan, and yourself. Ignoring their suspicions and posts is pure folly. slOosh claiming they have no weight is absurd. Man I hope slOosh gets shot tonight. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
I don't have time to post proper cases as of late, but I dont see why you need one, you have made several errors that can be quickly and eadily outlined. You are going against your meta (not too big a deal) by posting less, you were behind toen lynches and my own early on, and you posted a case against DYH that wasnt very good. Honestly 2 is all I would need but 1 and 3 make things worse considering I think dyh is town. Just give me 2more on the scum team | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Should I die my opinions still stand. Of the 5 dyh posted I endorse all of them, not sure about ghost though. Good night | ||
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JekyllAndHyde
42 Posts
I still do think slOosh is scum, and I am getting fairly suspicious of chocolate as well. More into those if I survive the night, whatever happens should be able to help me sort out my reads a bit. Phagga & Ghost should be looked more into in my opinion. | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/cardart/HM/Greater_Werewolf.jpg) Start of Day 4 During the night, a rumor began circulating among the Liquidia's commanding officers that a werewolf was haunting the halls at night. Immediately, the security chief realized that this must be the changelings' doing and assembled several teams comprised of his best security officers, all armed with phaser pistols, to investigate the phenomenon. As they moved noiselessly through the halls, keeping an eye out for shape-shifters, one of the teams momentarily lost sight of zelblade around a corner. When his partner caught up with him, he was stunned to see the figure of zelblade brightly illuminated by his flashlight, locked in a mortal struggle with an exact copy of himself. Wide-eyed and astonished, zelblade's partner leveled his pistol first at one copy, then the other, uncertain which one was the real thing. One of them had forced the other to the floor and was squeezing his hands around his throat. Unable to think of what else to do, the partner shouted for backup, and other security teams began converging toward them. Hearing the sounds of hurrying feet, the version of zelblade on the ground looked around wildly. In a flash of eye-watering light, the changeling masquerading as zelblade began transforming into a ferocious furred creature that indeed resembled a massive wolf. With his head transformed, the changeling slashed at zelblade's throat with rows of sharp teeth, while his panicking partner shot at the changeling and missed. As zelblade's blood life-dripped green onto the floor, half a dozen security teams arrived just in time to see the changeling transforming the rest of the way into a fearsome wolf-thing, toss the corpse aside, and lope past the crowd of screaming officers into the dark hallways. If any of them had doubted that shape-shifting changelings were on the ship trying to kill them, none of those doubts remained now. zelblade the Townie is dead. It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to vote on whom to lynch. The voting deadline is on Thursday, Mar 08 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). Please don't forget to post your votes in the voting thread, as they will not be counted otherwise. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
GG gl =/ Dreamflower can I have the obs qt please? Thanks :D | ||
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JekyllAndHyde
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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JekyllAndHyde
42 Posts
On March 06 2012 12:21 DoYouHas wrote: We are now in lylo. Detective, it is claim time regardless of the returns on your investigations. Why do you want the DT to claim right away? Assuming we even have one. If he has a scum check and is able to push it for the lynch without claiming, he would have a chance at getting more scum checks on the following nights. We can't really take any DT claim for granted either, as blindly believing in a fake-claim could end up costing the game for us. /Jekyll | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Yes, a dt could push a scum check without revealing himself. But if he did claim then we could start this day with a confirmed scum (assuming that the dt claim looks legit). Which lets us work out the team. It is the best use of our time. If he has multiple town reads, it clarifies quite a bit. So yes, the dt should claim if he has ANY relevant checks. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
As a reminder, the DT can not find the godfather. The godfather returns as town to the DT. Therefore, The DT should only claim under the following circumstance: - DT has a confirmed scum, and town is not lynching that person - If the DT is in danger of getting lynched - DT has more than 2 confirmed and still alive townies, and he sees that they are attacking / lynching each other. (And with "confirmed town" I mean he returned town. Remember the second sentence of this post, the godfather returns as Town as well to the DT). In every other situation, I would prefer if the DT does not claim and instead tries to get another check in next night. He should try to breadcrumb any "confirmed" town info into this thread, though, so that if he should get killed next night, we can go trough his filter of this day and find that info. To all Townies: Be active today. Contribute. We need to find our lynch target, and we need every townie for it. Don't wait until 4 hours bevore the deadline to cast your vote, get in the thread now and participate! | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 06 2012 12:48 DoYouHas wrote: We need all the available information in the open right now. This game hinges on us making the right decision today. A detective claim, assuming his checks weren't all on dead people, should help us make that decision. Yes, a dt could push a scum check without revealing himself. But if he did claim then we could start this day with a confirmed scum (assuming that the dt claim looks legit). Which lets us work out the team. It is the best use of our time. If he has multiple town reads, it clarifies quite a bit. So yes, the dt should claim if he has ANY relevant checks. It is not that easy. The mafia team is obviously not completely incompetent, and I doubt that it will be that easy to find all teammates. Hell, it is theoretically possible that you, chocolate, ghost, sloosh and me are all town and the mafia is leaning back and enjoying the carnage (although I doubt that). I don't really want the DT to come out guns blazing if we are already on the right track. I know we are in a "do or die" situation, but we still need to think ahead. Therefore: If we are completely on the wrong track, and the DT sees it, step in and help. If we are on the right track, stand back, do another check tonight, and help us tomorrow finding the rest of the scum. | ||
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
When I flip town you can almost assuredly say that DYH is town. There are a couple reasons, but the biggest one is that on N1 DYH basically berated me for buddying up to him. This is not something that scum does, they want the town to befriend them, so they can carry votes and look less suspicious. DYH calling me out on buddying him that early in the game would have been a terrible move as scum, and DYH is better than that. I do also believe that sloosh has been actively trying to discredit DoYouHas ever since he came back. When alderan went MIA due to his RL issues and DoYouHas left on his trip, sloosh's posting became more active. He was effectively able to take over town discussion, and now that DoYouHas is back, sloosh aims to discredit him so that mafia have complete control over town. The authoritative and generally stronger posters in alderan and zelblade are now gone, leaving DoYouHas. Sloosh is trying to get the rest of the town players to stop listening to him, leaving him unopposed. For those who sheeped alderan, I really hope you don't take sloosh's posting as fact. I would also like to bring attention to this post by sloosh: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 03:03 slOosh wrote: Its a really big jump to say that my general agreement of Hyde's case on you is intentionally misleading the town to cast suspicion on you. I agree with the points and lean mafia on you - how is openly expressing my stance misleading? And no I'm not discrediting your name in the second quote. Read the whole post in context. We are dangerously close to the lynch deadline with votes spread among multiple people, and I'm emphasizing the need to rally and make a decision. The bolded part is because I think some people (especially the newer ones) are timid and want to hear all the voices and cases out in the open and discussed, but I'm being realistic and pointing out that time is not a luxury. It's not a blatant cut down and I think you are starting to take everything I say about you personally. Please look objectively. Please read that second paragraph everyone. We need consensus or we will be driven to no lynch again. This cannot be. He had an issue with alderan having more than one case up at a time (and clearly does not want a no lynch either) , because "we need consensus or we will be driven to no lynch again". But what did he just do on day 3? Bring up 2 extensive cases against DoYouHas and alderan at the same time. He then berates nightfury, chocolate, testsubject and DoYouHas for voting the way they did to avoid a no lynch. Sloosh could very well have avoided this situation if he'd just posted the case against his strongest scum read first (DoYouHas), and left alderan's case for later. Note that both cases are brought up when both players are conveniently unable to defend themselves until very close to the deadline. Also, the only other player who is attacked by sloosh is chocolate. Note that both phagga and ghost are back on chocolate's case as well. This is not the first time all 3 of them have attacked chocolate at around the same time. I do think there is something in this post of chocolate's: On March 06 2012 08:27 Chocolate wrote: Also guys, don't think me still existing is a coincidence. Now that we are so close to getting the mafia they are reverting to someone they had a strong case against earlier, but couldn't quite get the job done, to distract you all. Sloosh which 4 people do you most think are scum? I presume DYH and I top the list. To phagga and ghost: It's been twice now that you've chosen a townie lynch over a chocolate lynch, who you have both been critical of all game. You both seemed to let go of your chocolate case and jump on gumshoe and alderan a little too easily. Again, I am against a chocolate lynch. I have said why more than once already. You were also the first 2 (aside from sloosh himself) to place your votes on alderan for day 3 lynch. This put the remaining players who had not cast a vote in a difficult position. There was already a lot of suspicion cast on alderan by the mafia team prior to this. Had they still voted for someone else and brought the possibility of a no lynch into reality, I suspect they would have been berated ANYWAY for flip flopping (all 4 of those players had been suspicious of alderan at some stage in the game). Either way, sloosh comes out looking pro town. JekylAndHyde, I await your decision on your case regarding me, if you still want to go ahead with it. My mafia list for now: Sloosh ghost phagga I want a sloosh lynch. ##Vote: sl0osh | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
The other 5 people were: - Sloosh - zellblade - ghost_403 - k2hd - phagga DoYouHas was excused, that's ok. That leaves the following 3 people (ignoring Alderan has he got lynched): - Chocolate - Testsubject - JekyllAndHide Also note that none of these persons had posted any info after the start of D3 on who they were going to vote for before they disappeared. So these three and Nightfury actually managed to miss the whole day's discussion about the vote and come in less than 3 hours before the deadline. Nightfury, Testsubject, DYH and Chocolate then vote for Alderan (although Choc and DYH think he's town and NF only seems to vote to prevent a nolynch) and THEN accuse everybody who voted for Alderan early to be scum. The problem I have with this discussion is that the very people who are accusing sloosh of starting the bandwagon on Alderan could have prevented that bandwagon if they would have been more active from the beginning. Instead, they decided to be completely absent of the thread and then shout at the others for messing up. Seriously, is this normal town behaviour? And I just want to make this clear again: Nightfury, Testsubject, Chocolate and JekyllAndHide have been absent of any lynch discussion on D3 until 3 hours before deadline. I am not saying they are all scum, but I'm sure there are at least 2 scum players in that lurker group. On March 05 2012 09:14 NightFury wrote: This isn't very good at all. Not much has happened at all and it's getting extremely close to the deadline. ##Vote: Alderan Yeah well, perhaps you should have tried to be more active then? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 06 2012 22:20 k2hd wrote: To phagga and ghost: It's been twice now that you've chosen a townie lynch over a chocolate lynch, who you have both been critical of all game. You both seemed to let go of your chocolate case and jump on gumshoe and alderan a little too easily.1 Again, I am against a chocolate lynch. I have said why more than once already. You were also the first 2 (aside from sloosh himself) to place your votes on alderan for day 3 lynch. This put the remaining players who had not cast a vote in a difficult position.2 There was already a lot of suspicion cast on alderan by the mafia team prior to this. Had they still voted for someone else and brought the possibility of a no lynch into reality,3 I suspect they would have been berated ANYWAY for flip flopping (all 4 of those players had been suspicious of alderan at some stage in the game). Either way, sloosh comes out looking pro town. JekylAndHyde, I await your decision on your case regarding me, if you still want to go ahead with it. My mafia list for now: Sloosh ghost phagga I want a sloosh lynch. ##Vote: sl0osh 1 I thought I was pushing chocolate hard on D2? On March 02 2012 09:18 k2hd wrote: Phagga + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 01:44 phagga wrote: Generally: I don't care if this is anyones first game on TL Mafia. This is a newbie game, noone has a lot of experience with TL Mafia. This game is here to learn, so please stop making excuses like that. I have already skipped several paragraphs who start with that, and I will continue to skip them in the future. DoYouHas: No, I don't agree. You accused him of not generating content. He agrees, but then only writes an excuse, and you are already giving him a free pass. Now there is no more pressure on him to generate real content, which is what would have given us more information on him. You left him of the hook way to early. Instead, I would have liked to see you call him out on his confession of not generating content, and pressure him more at least until he starts generating content. I noticed several times that people don't want to pressure someone anymore after the target went from scummy to towny. Why not? If you already started, pressure some more. Townies don't need to be afraid to get pressured. After all, they have no reason to lie, and if they write what they think and observe, than they have nothing to fear. And it will generate more information which will enable more people to judge better if someone is town or not. But if you let Nightfury of the hook like that, and nightfury gets lynched anyway and flips red, I will immediatly get suspicious about your reluctance to pressure him after making a case on him. - Chocolate - Gumshoe - Alderan k2hd: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 22:16 k2hd wrote: Perhaps it is enough that chocolate is discredited, and you know you don't have the numbers to mislynch him without mafia stacking on him. At this stage, there is a low chance of chocolate actually being lynched and thus, flipping green, since there are multiple cases out on alderan, gumshoe and myself. It is also a convenient way of wasting a vote and not committing to anyone else, but as you say, I will wait to see what you have to say about others when you're done with their filters. I will try my best to see what you have to say in the morning before class. This is why I am placing a preliminary vote on ghost first. This is just not true. On the first day, my vote was on Chocolate the whole day. After this vote + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 07:36 NightFury wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Chocolate + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 08:36 phagga wrote: So, folks, I will be offline for the night in about 20 minutes. So far my vote stays on Chocolate. I have read a few interesting things about others (specially steveling), but so far nothing could convince me to switch my vote to another person. I still think Chocolate is our best lynch. On February 28 2012 10:00 phagga wrote: I'm off to bed now. My vote stays on chocolate. That was 2 hours before the deadline. There was still the possibility that he would get lynched. 40 minutes before the deadline JekyllAndHyde unvoted Chocolate. Chocolate: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 20:58 phagga wrote: To k2hd: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 19:39 k2hd wrote: I believe that chocolate is town. He's had a LOT of pressure put on him due to his sub-par posting on day 1, and had to defend himself left, right and centre for the rest of day 1. He's spent most of his time on defensive posts, and perhaps hasn't been able to focus on gathering much of his own evidence on other players. He is very aggressive in trying to force lurkers to post more by voting, but as was mentioned by DYH, this could just have been a poorly thought out way of fostering discussion. I understand that it may have been an easy way to avoid generating original content/cases of his own, but again, this is probably just the play style of a townie who is unsure of what to do, or who would rather not stick his head out too much. I did not check up on everyone's previous games, but from what I gather from what others have said, chocolate was mafia in his last game, had to tone down his posting because it was too aggressive, and hasn't played town before (unless he's had another game that I don't know about). There is also this post by chocolate: Why would he argue so confidently against a vote swing AWAY from him?1 Chocolate is also one of the first to start getting suspicious of alderan. After day 1, some of the heat was finally lifted off of him and focused on alderan by others. Following this, we have sloosh post a large case against alderan, followed by JekylAndHyde's case, and alderan is under more and more pressure. Instead of continuing his case against alderan, chocolate decides to launch a case against night fury of all people, who no one had posted any suspicions against yet. If he were mafia, why would he not join others in pressuring alderan (or the case that is piling up against gumshoe), and go for a target who would be harder to mislynch? I sincerely believe chocolate is town, and that some of those pressuring him hard are looking scummy to me. Those who voted chocolate on day 1: phagga, sloosh, NightFury, ghost I currently do not have as much info as I'd like on NightFury to say much about him. Sloosh's actions seem pro-town to me so far, and though he has not posted as much as others, his posts have generally been full of content. Now for the remaining two: Phagga has been trying very hard for a chocolate lynch the whole game.2 He takes a moment to call gumshoe out on why he didn't change his vote from ghost, and why he felt the need to "take responsibility" for voting chocolate if he flipped green, and then goes straight back to attacking chocolate. He is either getting tunnel vision with chocolate3, or trying to get the mislynch on him. Have a look at this post. He accuses chocolate of relying on the arguments of others, and voting lurkers (a policy which he did state at the start), but ignores the fact that it is chocolate who first brought up a case against alderan (albeit a rather lackluster one) and states emphatically that he will vote chocolate again on day 2, presumably for not coming up with original cases/evidence, when there was still 48 irl hours for chocolate to contribute on day 2 (day 1 had not even ended yet). This early vote behaviour was the same thing we called nttea out for when he wanted a default alderan lynch. Then we have ghost. His last few posts have all been aimed at chocolate. here they are Ghost and phagga engage in banter that seems like bullying chocolate to me in the first post, and the second post is unnecessary, because although chocolate did not do anything like make a new case, it was still a valid point. Nttea should not be posting like that, and if he is as clueless as he says he is, chocolate was only helping him. The way he analyses the chocolate quotes in the third post is very condescending in tone. He could have done so without putting chocolate down, as others in the thread have done. 1bI also do not trust this post made by ghost: Trying to gain the trust of the town by encouraging a chocolate or ghost lynch on day 1. If chocolate flipped green, suspicion may still have fallen off of ghost because mafia would presumably not make a post like this. I realise that this point is a bit WIFOM (I think I'm using the term correctly?). Basically, it seems to me that phagga and ghost are actively trying to discredit chocolate after his already shaky start, and possibly also get the mislynch on him. 1 You are aware that later in your post at 1b you quote ghost_403 who wrote against a vote switch away from him and chocolate, and say that that post is a reason you don't trust ghost_403? This is contradictory. 2 The question you should ask yourself here is: Is this something a townie would do? And if so, is it also something scum would do? I doubt scum would want to stay in the spotlight like that. Also, If you are town, and you feel strongly about someone being scum, what are you gonna do? - Try to push a lynch on that person even if people will not listen to you - let the person of the hook because noone listens to you, and pick another target I would be stupid to push his lynch so hard if I was scum and knew he was town. When he would get lynched and flipped green, everyone would be on my heels. You do not want that as scum, specially not so early in the game. Nothing Chocolate said so far convinced me that he is not scum. That's why I still want him lynched. 3 I am aware that I am prone to tunneling Chocolate, and I am currently reading through several filters (again) to give an update on who else I think is fishy. I disagree. Scum does not want to be in the spotlight. People in the spotlight get analyzed more, and scum has to play a role / lie to look townie, so the chance that people will reveal their true role is higher. You will not often find scum that is going to play aggresively, and most of the time they won't get far with it because they have to hide too much. I think there's some confusion here, I'm talking about the vote count and low chance of mislynching chocolate on day 2, and how hard you were STILL pushing chocolate up until now, with the change to gumshoe. Notice I typed in the present tense in that post. 2 When I left for bed on D3, there were 2 votes on Alderan and 2 on DYH. Really a tough situation for the rest of town /sarcasm 3 Again, this could have been avoided if people would have been more active. Alderan was not my only suspect, there were other people I would have voted as well. But somehow a lot of people decided to lurk until it was too late. | ||
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
I do not like that post at all. First, JekylAndHyde posted a case against me within your 26 hour timeline here: post 1 He is not one of those who blindly bandwagoned against alderan, he had posted against him here: post 2 and here: post 3 So don't say that JeklyAndHyde conveniently disappeared only to appear to sheep alderan. Now for this part of your post: + Show Spoiler + Also note that none of these persons had posted any info after the start of D3 on who they were going to vote for before they disappeared. So these three and Nightfury actually managed to miss the whole day's discussion about the vote and come in less than 3 hours before the deadline. Nightfury, Testsubject, DYH and Chocolate then vote for Alderan (although Choc and DYH think he's town and NF only seems to vote to prevent a nolynch) and THEN accuse everybody who voted for Alderan early to be scum. I have already talked about JeklyAndHyde. When did nightfury and testsubject accuse anyone who voted for alderan early? Testsubject has not even posted since alderan's lynch. The same goes for nightfury. This leaves chocolate, who you have had a bias against for the longest time now. Your post is a desperate attempt to push attention onto inactive posters and away from you, sloosh and ghost. | ||
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