Newbie Mini Mafia IV - Page 46

JekyllAndHyde

42 Posts

March 05 2012 02:46 GMT

#901

Meh, since nothing is happening until deadline seemingly, I'll vote for slOosh since Alderan already has the majority, and thus further votes are not needed.

/Jekyll

dreamflower

United States312 Posts

March 05 2012 03:02 GMT

#902

Start of Night 3

After the gruesome death of nttea, tension and paranoia reached a fever pitch on Liquidia as people began suspecting that the changelings were around every corner disguised as anyone, from their best friends to their subordinates or commanding officers. The more fearful even wondered if they were the last human alive on the ship. As a new security measure, no crew member was ever allowed to move about the ship by themselves, but always had to proceed in groups of two or more.

In the engineering bay, Alderan and a pair of engineers went to work on some electrical panels directly above the plasma-powered reactors. Suspicion ran high between the three, who kept glancing distrustfully at each other out of the corner of their eyes as if they were waiting for someone to start shape-shifting right before their eyes. Before long, they were openly exchanging glares, followed by sharp words and outright accusations. In a matter of minutes, a full-blown argument had erupted as they stood at the railing above the plasma reactors, waving their arms and even trading punches.

Convinced that Alderan was really a changeling in disguise, the other two engineers ganged up on him, cornered him against the railing, and finally shoved him down into the plasma reactors below. Alderan fell screaming into the plasma reactor, flailing in a vain attempt to escape his demise. As the glowing, super-heated plasma consumed Alderan's flesh as he plummeted into the reactor, his blood shone a bright green before it too melted away.

Alderan the Townie has been lynched.

Night 3 has begun! Please send your night actions to me and Qatol. Night ends in 24 hours, on Tuesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).

JekyllAndHyde

42 Posts

March 05 2012 03:04 GMT

#903

Well, time to re-evaluate some reads it seems. :/

GG Alderan.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

March 05 2012 04:32 GMT

#904

Sorry about my activity drop off, I take full responsibility for that. Good luck town.

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 05 2012 04:55 GMT

#905

.... did not expect that. Gotta go back and reread everything when I have time tomorrow.

But are you guys serious right now?

Since my last post (around 7 hours before deadline), I was busy as aforementioned and unable to read updates.
I seriously did my best this game to hold back from tunneling this game, and put out something hoping people would input some objective third party perspectives on my case. What do I come back to? A bunch of people saying how they don't want to lynch Alderan but they somehow feel obligated to. You guys seriously disappoint me.

On March 05 2012 09:01 DoYouHas wrote:
So now I find myself between a rock and a hard place. The lynch is either going to be me or Alderan or no-lynch.

A no-lynch is the worst thing that could happen to this town (already inactive and demoralized).

Alright slOosh, you win. I'll vote Alderan in spite of my leaning town on him. But you had better believe that if he flips green I am going to come after you with a vengeance night3/day4.

##Unvote: nttea
##Vote: Alderan

Says lynching someone who he thinks is a townie is better than no lynch.

On March 05 2012 09:14 NightFury wrote:
This isn't very good at all. Not much has happened at all and it's getting extremely close to the deadline. I'm glad DYH came back and has posted. Alderan on the other hand has been completely missing in action and hasn't done anything to mitigate the case against him. As I mentioned before, a no-lynch is too similar to a mislynch in our circumstances.

##Vote: Alderan

Lynching because a lack of response on Alderan and a response from DYH rather than agreeing/disagreeing with the case itself.

On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote:
Should I vote to lynch you or...
I haven't been posting that much because the mafia is basically running the town now. I was thinking of getting myself modkilled to show you all my alignment so you would finally lynch my suspects, but I think it would be cheating because it's against my win condition, although it could help. Tomorrow I may do that if we really need to start lynching mafia.

Says that tomorrow (as if we really start playing the game when its MYLO/LYLO) we may really need to start lynching mafia. Doesn't realize that his death would result in a loss (1 night hit, 1 modkill -> 4v4. Not to mention how strategic modkill is absolutely unacceptable)

On March 05 2012 11:04 Chocolate wrote:
I have to go to bed and will put my vote on alderan because I don't want a no ylnch. I look forward to lynching hos accusers tomo and ask that the vigi shoot sloosh

Lynching someone whose main accuser he believes to be scum to avoid a no lynch.

On March 05 2012 10:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
I'm really sorry for my inactivity guys. I had a lot of really hectic stuff happen this weekend.

Skimming over the thread, it looks like the general consensus is to lynch is Alderan, who, like I stated before, is high on the list of likely mafia for me. I'm trying to make time to properly catch up and respond to the posts that I promised I would (like this one), but I'm still really busy and can't promise I'll be caught up until tomorrow night.

##Vote: Alderan

Voting based off consensus and an arbitrary percentage list without explanation.

Back up your words with your actions. If you think Alderan is not scum, then you should have said it. Show me and the rest of town why. Convince us. Don't just give up and say that you don't want no lynch so you will agree to lynch someone you think is townie , or even worse listen to someone who you think is scum and lynch who he says we should lynch.

Absolutely ridiculous. You guys seriously think I'm scum for leading a mislynch?? Bring it on.
Half the town is acting like a bunch of chickens stricken with paranoia and fear, lacking direction and lynching the most active thing they see. Cool your heads, grow some spines and come back with the proper mindset.

DoYouHas

United States1140 Posts

March 05 2012 04:58 GMT

#906

gumshoe points us at slOosh, dies, flips town.

Alderan points us at slOosh, dies, flips town.

I think slOosh is scum.

Jekyll thinks slOosh is scum.

slOosh dies tomorrow pending acts of God.

The question is this, who are his scum buddies?

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 05 2012 06:28 GMT

#907

On March 05 2012 13:58 DoYouHas wrote:
gumshoe points us at slOosh, dies, flips town.

Alderan points us at slOosh, dies, flips town.

I think slOosh is scum.

Jekyll thinks slOosh is scum.

slOosh dies tomorrow pending acts of God.

The question is this, who are his scum buddies?

Oh you think everyone should lynch me? On what basis?

On March 02 2012 09:07 gumshoe wrote:
sloosh is more a gut thing

On March 05 2012 10:00 Alderan wrote:
Everyone's vote should instantly go on Sloosh. He's done nothing but belittle others (namely me and DYH) under the guise of active posting. He's also the Godfather, so a dt claim that he is town will only show scum who to hit. Honestly if there is a vig, shoot Sloosh tonight. Trust me.

On March 05 2012 08:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Something about zelblade that needs to be said. Many of us (including me) believed he is town because of the ridiculous and crazy response FourFace made to my initial case. However, with nttea flipping medic, we know that FourFace fakeclaimed doctor. I am of the opinion now that FourFace's craziness no longer exonerates zelblade. I am obviously biased against zelblade because I think he is making bad cases against me. All that I am asking of you is to put him back on the table when you are considering who is suspicious.

On March 05 2012 08:52 DoYouHas wrote:
-Interactions between DYH and Alderan.
I feel vaguely insulted by this. You know that Alderan plays solidly as scum. I have already mentioned that I look for these soft defenses and easy interactions when I am scumhunting. Yet you think that both of us would be stupid enough to be that obvious. If both Alderan and I were scum, you are right, we would not ignore eachother, but our interactions would also not be this stupidly obvious. Throw Chocolate onto the pile too. I have soft defended him by tearing down bad arguments against him. I do think it is amusing that zelblade accuses me with the assumption that I play well and you accuse me with the assumption that I play terribly.

On March 05 2012 11:46 JekyllAndHyde wrote:
I'll vote for slOosh
/Jekyll

A gut feel, a vanilla townie who "knows" I'm godfather, an OMGUSer and someone's accusation without a case.
Then move on and get town to focus on other players. Sure.

First thing I'll be doing Day 4 is
##Vote: DoYouHas

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

March 05 2012 07:24 GMT

#908

On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote:
Should I vote to lynch you or...
I haven't been posting that much because the mafia is basically running the town now. I was thinking of getting myself modkilled to show you all my alignment so you would finally lynch my suspects, but I think it would be cheating because it's against my win condition, although it could help. Tomorrow I may do that if we really need to start lynching mafia.

On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote:
Tomorrow I may do that if we really need to start lynching mafia.

On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote:
if we really need to start lynching mafia.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

March 05 2012 11:11 GMT

#909

On March 05 2012 08:05 DoYouHas wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 03 2012 22:54 zelblade wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 03 2012 04:03 DoYouHas wrote:

On March 03 2012 01:00 zelblade wrote:
Goddamm, wasnt expecting that flip. Thought that he was most definately scum.. guess I was wrong.

I have a couple of suspisions.

My primary one is actually that DoYouHas is scum.

Firstly, I have already stated I am really suspicious of the way he dealt with Alderan on day 1. Despite thinking that Steve is the better lynch, he decides to leave his vote on igabod, stating that he does not trust Alderan, primarly because he got "burned" by Ald last game. This logic is clearly bullshit. He, at this point, has no reason to suspect Alderan - besides knowing that Alderan's scum play is good. At first, I thought that this might have been fear of Ald's scum play - and he instictively worried about that possibility. However, thinking further, I believe that a townie DYH would have made a case during the day, and pushed it hard, if he indeed did feel Alderan was scum. However, he did no such thing, instead waiting for night and letting a no-lynch happen.

1. Another thing that makes me suspicious is his stance on igabod. He states this on igabod:

We don't know igabod is getting modkilled. There is every chance that he will be replaced. Because of this I still think that he is our best lynch option.

Why would he think this? For one, it is more often than not a townie which goes inactive and has to be replaced, and Im sure that DYH knows this. Yet, he still feels that igabod will be the best lynch, simply because he will be replaced. It makes no sense, and I think phagga sums it up nicely here.

This argumentation is absolutely stupid. If igabod is getting replaced, then he was not playing the game at all. Therefore him lurking does not say anything at all about his alignement. He might even be a blue for all we know, and some real life matter keep him from playing.

2. His case on Alderan rang more alarm bells for me. A large portion of it lies on how Aldrean has been attempting to "buddy" him, which I feel is complete bullshit. Again, this seemed (at first) to be him subconciously being afraid of Ald's scum play, but in reality, I believe that he is more likely to be fearmongering here.

3. Hyde also gives a good explanation why DYH's venture into the speculation of scums actions in day 1 in SNMMIV to aglin with scum's motives this game. I see no parallel at all between these two games, and I believe that DYH should be able to see this. This is most likely an attempt to derail the topic at hand, and indulge town in a useless topic for quite a while. Thankfully it didnt succeed though.

Gumshoe's lynch is another area for suspision. Although he was on the "right" side of the lynch, I believe that it is a null tell, and may even be an indication of scum, considering the number of votes that were on gumshoe. 3.1 The reason for this is that scum will want to split up their votes, and it is rather likely that he is doing what Alderan did with DYH's own lynch last game - claiming that he didnt think gumshoe was scum and getting some towncred for the lynch.

4. Besides this, he is also really wishy washy about gumshoe. He states that he believes he is town based on his similar posting style - something which I feel is completely different (but that might be personal opinion, so w/e), but instead does not push against the lynch hard, citing that gumshoe might in fact be scum using his town meta as a cover. That is a bloody weak reason and we know it, and it is never enough for one to doubt one's innocence based on that and that alone. I would expect a townie in that sort of situation (thinking that a townie was to be lynched) to push against the lynch hard, and not apply some soft defense that wont stick. It seems that he wants the lynch to go through - yet doesnt want to be lynched for it.

5. Honestly, I could go on, as I feel that DYH's logic this game is really off. I believe that he is good, and should know better, which is also why I believe that he is scum.

1. I thought igabod was the best lynch because he was a lurker. When the choice was between what I thought was a bad lynch and a lurker. I chose the lurker. The point that he is going to be replaced simply means that he won't be dealt with with a modkill. Later I admitted that objectively Steveling was the better lynch. However, this is not an objective game. My fears that Alderan was trying to pull a vote switch made me dig in my heels and refuse to vote for someone of his choice.

2. My case against Alderan was never meant to push him for a lynch, it was to fish for more content from him. When he played scum he posted a case on Dimmuklok, and managed to avoid chiming in on most other things. So I drew a response and a number of opinions out of him. That was the point.

3. No parallels between this game and SNMM7? Really? Both had a person do something crazy early on, and was largely trusted as a townie because of it. Both had a lack of strong cases day1. Both have the more experienced players at eachother's throats. Both had 2 candidates with a number of votes on them without a majority towards the end of the day. Both threatened a no-lynch and had a 3rd candidate come up as a compromise. That is what I see, why don't you?
3.1 So you see no parallels between this game and SNMM7, but you agree with me and Alderan that scum likely split their vote (which is a parallel), AND you think that I am playing scum similarly to Alderan from SNMM7 (another parallel). SO, let me get this straight. You think that I am scum, that I gave an accurate portrayal of how scum are playing this game, made a point of bringing it back up and getting Alderan to comment on it, and that I wasted everyone's time with speculations that you seem to agree with and even use in your case against me. That is what is absurd.

4. I was wishy-washy about gumshoe, that is how I felt about him. I found things in his play that I did not like, but I also saw things that seemed pro-town. That is why I tried to convince people to lynch k2hd. I felt he was the better lynch. I have no strong defense for this accusation, wishy-washy is accurate. I had no strong read on gumshoe.

5. I do think I'm better than some, but my cases were never rock solid in NMM3, I just had more conviction. My scumhunting was remarkably poor in SNMM7. You want to use the meta that I'm better than this against me? You are wrong, I'm floundering in an unproductive town just as much as everyone else.

1) The definition of a lurker is someone who actually posts, but doesnt post anything worthwhile. Did you really think igabod was more likely scum than town? I dont understand why you would prefer having him dead as opposed to replaced. Chances are the "lurker" is more often town than scum either way, and the fact that he has flipped town further reinforces this fact.

2) So what do you think of Alderan now?

3) Yes. Perhaps the situation played out a little similarly, but no two games are the same. Besides, what makes you believe that scum did the same thing as last game? One of the "expereinced players" could easily be scum for one, or the candidates could be scum. You have zero reason to believe that scum played similarly according to last game. Why dont you see this?

3.1) Scum almost always split their votes day 1, for obvious reasons, unless the lynch is close and one of the two candidates are mafia. There is no reason to believe they did not do so, and having all of them dump their votes on a single person is just dumb. And no, I never said that you and Alderan were acting similary. Instead, what i meant is this: I believe that you didnt vote gumshoe, claiming that you thought he was town, to gain towncred when he flipped. Alderan did something similar to this going against your lynch and voting for someone else instead. Besides, how do you know what you think is an "accurate portyal" of scum's play? You do not know how they are acting. Another thing - what conclusions have you yourself drawn from this activiy? Note how you never actually do so, and never actually use this speculation to drive home a case. Which is why I dont see it as useful.

Note that this still doesnt explain why you wanted to venture into this topic.

4) Isnt this a position scum love to be in?

5) You might be right on this point that I am expecting too much of you, honestly because NMMIII gave me quite the impact. However, I still do think that your logic is horrible, and dont believe that you believe in it.

1. If you make it through a day without posting, but are not being removed from the game, that makes you a lurker.

2. I did not like his early play with 1 case and lots of smaller posts. That is why I pushed him some. Also, I don't like that he has not posted in a while. However, (this is mostly from memory because I'm in a bit of hurry) he makes more sense some of you. I lean town for him atm.

3. You don't like my reasoning, so be it. I think that correlating events and situations hint at how the mafia are playing. You don't. I'm not wasting any more time on this.

3.1 bolded What is this? It was extremely clear what you said, you said that I did something similar to Alderan's scum play from SNMM7.

As for the "accurate portrayal" talk. My actual words were, "You think that I am scum, that I gave an accurate portrayal of how scum are playing this game, made a point of bringing it back up and getting Alderan to comment on it, and that I wasted everyone's time with speculations that you seem to agree with and even use in your case against me." I never said that I thought that I had presented a completely accurate portrayal of scum play this game. Instead, my point is that you are using some of the same things that I brought up in my speculation to attack me. So you must think that I was at least somewhat accurate with my speculation.

Italicized What conclusions did I make? What cases did I push forward with my speculation? This One
I used my speculation to create standards which I used to scumhunt. I pushed NightFury with these standards.

4. Yes it is, but it is still the truth of how I felt.

5. I think the logic of your cases against me is equally horrible, so at least it is mutual.

Something about zelblade that needs to be said. Many of us (including me) believed he is town because of the ridiculous and crazy response FourFace made to my initial case. However, with nttea flipping medic, we know that FourFace fakeclaimed doctor. I am of the opinion now that FourFace's craziness no longer exonerates zelblade. I am obviously biased against zelblade because I think he is making bad cases against me. All that I am asking of you is to put him back on the table when you are considering who is suspicious.

1) Yes, but in the case of igabod he was going to be either modkilled or replaced, bar him last minute voting. You arent answering my primary point - why didnt you want him replaced?

2) So you are "leaning town" on Alderan, but decided to vote for him?

3) If you say so.

3.1) Yes, I mentioned that you used the gumshoe lynch to gain towncred, something relatively similar to what Alderan did. However, this is a common thing for scum to do, and honestly scum do it often. I think that I misunderstood your first response though, I thought that you believed that I thought that you your play is largerly similar to Ald's, when I was only referencing to one point.

The accurate portrayal I misunderstood, my bad.

Last I remembered you dropped that case less than a few hours of posting it.

I already mentioned that the medic claim was fake, why bring it up again? And if you think that im scum, make a case against me and push it, dont poke others to do it.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

March 05 2012 11:37 GMT

#910

I agree with sloosh that we need to take a good look at those who decided to bandwagon Alderan for seemingly horrible reasons.

Chocolate seems the worst of them all tbh. The whole "mafia is running the town" seems to be a statement that is pointing fingers at whoever is leading the town, without any actual hard accusations. Anyway, even if you are town, what does it have to do with your reads? Although it does show that you dont have any malicious intentions behind your reads, they still could be wrong. Expecting town to lynch according to your reads if you flip town wont work, unless you have cases which are rock-solid, but you apparently dont. And if you feel none of the primary candidates are scum, why the hell did you vote for Ald? Why dont you push a case on someone else and try to convince townies to follow you? You look terribly scummy right now, and if you are town, are clearly putting in next to no effort into this game.

Testsubject still hasnt posted anything of decent substance yet and has sheeped another mislynch.

Nightfury's vote on Alderan is also based off completely nothing, and he spends most of a "critical day" posting stuff about how no-lynch sucks, and of course comments on his case on ghost, which I feel that is pretty bad. He states that he goes to read the filters of DYH & Alderan, yet doesnt comment on them at all before proceeding to vote Alderan because "lynch > no-lynch".

Come on guys I dont believe that you are all scum... Post more and take a more active role in the thread please, especially if you feel that we are on the wrong track.

k2hd

Cayman Islands78 Posts

March 05 2012 12:18 GMT

#911

This will be a quick post until I can read through the thread more thoroughly tomorrow, so sorry if I make mistakes/miss things. I was talking to recruiters all day and am now catching up on uni work, my apologies.

Alderan did not end up posting why he thinks sloosh is godfather, so I hope nobody jumps to that conclusion just because he flipped green.

It is alarming that people are willing to go after sloosh so quickly just for leading the mislynch. I am now more inclined to have a closer look at those who sheeped on to the alderan lynch (not including DoYouHas who had to save himself), and are now turning around and voting/accusing sloosh of being mafia.

Note, of course, that I am now willing to take another look at sloosh, as I said in my previous post if there was a mislynch, but people need to be wary of the above points before they go in guns blazing at sloosh.

JekyllAndHyde, I see you posted a case against me (haven't had time to go through it), but are you still happy to go ahead and get my response after the result of the lynch? Or do you want to rethink things. I would still be happy to respond to it tomorrow when I have time.

Chocolate, if you believe mafia are controlling town, you should post more to wrest control AWAY from them.

k2hd

Cayman Islands78 Posts

March 05 2012 12:26 GMT

#912

EBWOP

Chocolate, if you believe mafia are controlling town, you should post more to wrest control AWAY from them, not making an active decision to post less.

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

March 05 2012 12:27 GMT

#913

We dont need to anymore imo. Sloosh hopefully dies tonight, if he does I think we should lynch testsubject to see if his list is any good. Then we can finish with phagga and zell.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

March 05 2012 12:30 GMT

#914

So why do you think the 4 of us are scum?

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

March 05 2012 12:44 GMT

#915

Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches.

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

March 05 2012 12:44 GMT

#916

Chocolate:

On March 02 2012 11:07 Chocolate wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yeah, it sucks. If gum flips green I'm looking at the old crew: phagga, nf, ghost, test maybe? Maybe even sloosh?

On March 04 2012 03:53 Chocolate wrote:
EBWOP those bottom three people (phagga, nightfury, zellblade) are the ones i'm most suspicious of right now. I'll finish my scum team with tessubject803. I think I have at least two right, but I'm on the fence about ghost, the hydras (need to reread their posts because I have them confused a little), and sloosh.

This is all I found about testsubject in your posts. Why do you want to lynch him?

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

March 05 2012 12:45 GMT

#917

I need to verify that last one but Im at school now. Be back later

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

March 05 2012 12:45 GMT

#918

EBWOP got ninja'd

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

March 05 2012 12:58 GMT

#919

On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote:
Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches.

I dont know why he put me as 10% town, and I cant explain his actions, but I certainly didnt "gang up on you". I havent even mentioned you at all (except for a leaning town read when I first replaced in based on meta), and considering that you were also on both the gumshoe and Alderan lynches yourself your last statement is so dammed hyprocritical. Dont give me some bullshit that lynch > no-lynch because it alone is not a valid reason to vote for someone who you dont think is scum.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

March 05 2012 13:01 GMT

#920

And phagga who do you want to lynch tomorrow? Im guessing that your no.1 lynch targert is chocolate, but besides that I cant find anything in your filter besides a mild accusation on DYH.

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