Storm Mafia

On February 22 2012 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Red - What did you see in Toad's filter that made you agree with me?

On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:


second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke

On February 22 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:


This was very useful, thanks you. You are an important town asset.

On February 22 2012 07:25 redFF wrote:

heh, if i claimed roleblocked erryday then feel free to lynch me.


I don't know what else you would want me to do? Not claim and let town lynch a powerful blue role day 1?

On February 22 2012 07:14 redFF wrote:
inb4 lying about claim, doesn't matter, its fairly easy to confirm a tracker, and you don't lynch a claimed blue day 1, especially a strong one like tracker.

On February 22 2012 07:19 redFF wrote:
Yeah usually its not good to lynch a claimed blue day 1. If scum it forces them to produce results and stick to a claim and later in the game questions are raised as to why they are not dead yet. So yeah you don't lynch claimed blues day 1. Obviously this isn't in line with wbg's school of mafia thought though.

Yes that's exactly what i expect.

On February 22 2012 07:21 redFF wrote:
If pretty much all the major town voices are intent on wagoning me then claiming at 24 hours in and giving us another 24 hours to set up a lynch seems like a pretty good time.

If i claimed with 12 hours left the wagon might have gotten too big and people may have not gotten back in time to unvote.

On February 22 2012 21:17 syllogism wrote:

Is this the amount of effort you intend to put into this game as well or did you actually roll scuml? Just going to sheep bad wagons and not evaluate all the evidence? Have you read my thoughts on redff? Don't you find it weird that there is almost no resistance at all to the wagon? Your point about him claiming early isn't very good as redff gave a reasonable explanation for the claim and if he was scum, he could have fake claimed a better role anyway. It was likely that he was going to be forced to claim anyway at some point and claiming a bit earlier gives us time to discuss what we think about it. As his relatively early claim makes sense from point scum and town perspective and it's not really possible to determine which is more likely, it's a null tell. He can still be useful by being alive, tying roleblocker or even by taking a bullet. A tracker is not a DT in terms of usefulness.

I may be wrong about redff and that's always the possibility in mafia, but the evidence suggests otherwise and as such you should be voting for someone else, preferably BC.

On February 22 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote:
As I noted earlier, I do not think it's likely that the setup has a scum tracker but no town tracker. Therefore the town tracker can just counter claim him, but I doubt that's going to happen as it's more likely that he is our town tracker. These are assumptions, but reasonable and likely ones. Anyway, I don't think he is town because of his claim, but due to other aforementioned evidence and rationale.

On February 22 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote:

If he starts announcing people visiting anyone but people who died he dies before he can say noose . Please use your head, scum or town he wont do that.

On February 22 2012 21:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Syllo if redFF is scum it would not be weird at all that there would be no or little resistance from the scum-side.

His claim is problematic but I don't think we should lynch him. If he is telling the truth and is a tracker, every night he lives is dangerous for the scum so they will get rid of him. Wasting a lynch to do scums job for them and kill a blue seems optimally bad, weighing it against the alternative that he's scum and is trying to survive alittle longer or maybe out a blue I think not lynching him is the way to proceed. Even if he is scum he is less of a threat to town because he will not survive to the endgame.

On February 25 2012 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:

using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please

On to what you actually said:
About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one?

About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either.

On February 26 2012 04:48 Toadesstern wrote:
What about lynching people who aren't even playing this game? I've got a feeling we've been wrong on most of our scummy reads so far and that's why mafia is chilling and not even posting in this thread.
Yeah it's a pretty big assumption but I really don't like people like risk and Chaoser. For all I know those two could very well end up being modkilled. Of course there's no such thing as activity modkill but not voting for someone will still be a modkill and neither of those 2 has voted.

I'd say we lynch one of those 2 if one of them shows up and votes without a reason or just a oneliner the very next day. I don't see a reason to lynch into possible modkills right now so I won't suggest switching votes.

Tyrran and Kita are somewhat the same because they haven't voted yet, they don't post a lot but they do post from time to time. Jackal hasn't voted either but has at least some presence in this thread like Kita and Tyrran and well, he's known for doing this lurkish style and the other ones I've mentioned are more extreme imo.

On February 28 2012 18:53 prplhz wrote:
Because I am having a hard time convincing myself that any of them are scum and I'd much rather lynch into more inactive people. No one here has less than a page worth of posts and that should be enough to get a decent read.

Guess the chaoser lynch is a no-go.

On February 29 2012 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:

didn't you say I'm your mayor scumread all the time? I recall you voting me yesterday as well or at least "threatening" to do so oO

On February 29 2012 07:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig's please kill BC and Dirkzor

On February 29 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I think RoL is town

On March 01 2012 18:20 Toadesstern wrote:
well I kind of agree with you although I would have bombed RoL instead, or VE or WBG.
my mafia powerrank would be something like
#1 RoL
#2 VE
#3 WBG
#4 DocH / BC
#5 BC / DocH

which looks a lot like your reads except that I got VE in there.

Why do you think layabout is mafia?

On March 01 2012 18:44 Toadesstern wrote:

A VI would have died to my shot because neither mafia nore town would have protected that. Same with a Traitor.
"The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town" is wifom and if we start making that kidn of thing a viable defense everyone who's about to get lynched will simply say "hey sorry, I sucked, just lynch me. That's best for town". How are you supposed to tell the difference between people who say that because they really think so and people who say that because they don't want to be lynched?
Right you check their filter. RoL however has no filter.

On March 02 2012 14:42 Toadesstern wrote:


we only lynched townies so far. We also tried to kill RoL three times in a row, I even shot him and it always failed because something else was more important according to wbg. How about RoL was right all along and people like wbg said stuff like "everyone not voting BH has to be considered mafia" or "just ignore VE if you're not sure of his alignment" to get people lynched HE wanted to be lynched. Like BH and prpl?
I actually don't know if wbg was one of the guys pushing redFF d1 but if he was redFF was most likely a townie himself. Will check that tomorrow.

That's stuff that should make you want to lynch RoL if you think wbg is mafia.

Of course there's also enough evidence on RoL himself but people already pointed that out multiple times but again, do you really think a townie would ragequit like that and coincidentally show up 2 minutes before the deadline? Sure he did not want to be modkilled but why 2 mins before the deadline?
There is simply no way he was really afk. He knew about the deadline all along, he was watching this thread and waltzed in here 2 mins before deadline. Do you really think he checked his pm's coincidentally just right in time?
Let's just assume he did not. What would a townie do if he were to log in, let's say 2 hours before deadline only to see a pm from palmar telling him, that he still has to vote?
A townie would get in this thread telling people he's here and at least tell peolpe that he's not going to be modkilled, resulting in people changing votes back to RoL again.
He never wanted to be lynched. If he really wanted to be lynched he would have told people earlier and not just 2 mins before the deadline when it was certain a vote switch was too late.

That's just so super convenient for RoL and all this was not a coincidence. RoL knew about the deadline, he did not by coicidence check his pm's 120seconds before deadline, he did that on purpose to not get modkilled and he did that move to not get lynched in the first place.
If you really think that RoL is playing protown and that timing is a coincidence I really can't help you. It's TL Mafia XLVIII all over again just that I'm sitting on the other end this time...
I now truly know how Palmar felt in that game

On March 03 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
And laya's actions are confirmed in-thread...who have you put in contact Tyrran?

On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:

they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time.

I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game.