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For those who migth not know me very well, here is my meta, based on 3 games so far : If I'm active and usefull, i'm town (cf steamship mafia), otherwise I'm scum (cf Purgatory mafia)or playing badly ( cf arkham city). Also, just to bring my 2 cents on the ongoing discution i'm not supporting any policy lynch today. The reason simply being that I dont know you guys well enough to dinstinguish what is your typical scum play vs your town play. @RedFF : Generating discution is fine. But please be coherent with yourself and do not spoil what could be constructive discution with spam. | ||
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Moving on to another topic, does anyone knows how Jackal plays usually ? His play thus far is very similar to purgatory mafia ( where he was scum), and as far as I rember, quite different from arkham city where he was blue. | ||
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On February 22 2012 01:06 Jackal58 wrote: Red - What did you see in Toad's filter that made you agree with me? Do you still think toad is scum? If yes, why ? | ||
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On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote: second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke I'm still at work rigth now, but to make it quick : I dont have any scum read yet. I'm leaning town on several people. I'm wondering about syllo rigth now. He claims to know something we dont about the setup, but doenst share it. I'm not sure if this indicate town or scum. | ||
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On February 22 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote: This was very useful, thanks you. You are an important town asset. Thank you. I gladly return the compliment. | ||
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On February 22 2012 07:25 redFF wrote: heh, if i claimed roleblocked erryday then feel free to lynch me. I don't know what else you would want me to do? Not claim and let town lynch a powerful blue role day 1? You do realize that you are probabliy going to be roleblocked every night rigth ? I mean, if you really are blue, scum has the choice of roleblocking a tracker, or randomly roleblocking into town. I would not hesitate much if I were them. Plus this could get you lynched. To be honest, you not being roleblocked would be a even bigger scum tell than you being roleblocked, because there no reason to not roleblock you. But then, its WIFOM discutions all day. I'm see what you intended to do with your claim, but if you are a tracker, all you've achieved is to give scum valuable information while town get nothing out of this. I hope you are not a tracker. | ||
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I wanst sold on his lynch until his claim. But this claim is so bad that it got me thinking that he really is scum. As I stated, before, and as multiple people stated several time in the thread, town gains nothing from this claim. You've got to wonder : What does redFF gain by claiming day 1 if he is town ? Maybe he'll avoid the lynch. But then how is he going to avoid mafia KP/Roleblock ? How does he expect to be useful later on ? As town, it doesnt really make sense to claim. He then spends 3 post explaining that it would be a bad idea to lynch him now that he has claimed : On February 22 2012 07:14 redFF wrote: inb4 lying about claim, doesn't matter, its fairly easy to confirm a tracker, and you don't lynch a claimed blue day 1, especially a strong one like tracker. On February 22 2012 07:19 redFF wrote: Yeah usually its not good to lynch a claimed blue day 1. If scum it forces them to produce results and stick to a claim and later in the game questions are raised as to why they are not dead yet. So yeah you don't lynch claimed blues day 1. Obviously this isn't in line with wbg's school of mafia thought though. Yes that's exactly what i expect. On February 22 2012 07:21 redFF wrote: If pretty much all the major town voices are intent on wagoning me then claiming at 24 hours in and giving us another 24 hours to set up a lynch seems like a pretty good time. If i claimed with 12 hours left the wagon might have gotten too big and people may have not gotten back in time to unvote. All this seems weird to me. His defence seems to be focused around "Dont Lynch Me plzplzplz " instead of " I can still be usefull" and aroud " look I'm not scum" instead of "look I'm town". This makes me think he is scum. I'll be here until deadline, so my wote can still change if he somehow manage to convince me that he is not scum. But ragequitting makes me think that wont be the case. ##Vote redFF | ||
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On February 22 2012 21:17 syllogism wrote: Is this the amount of effort you intend to put into this game as well or did you actually roll scuml? Just going to sheep bad wagons and not evaluate all the evidence? Have you read my thoughts on redff? Don't you find it weird that there is almost no resistance at all to the wagon? Your point about him claiming early isn't very good as redff gave a reasonable explanation for the claim and if he was scum, he could have fake claimed a better role anyway. It was likely that he was going to be forced to claim anyway at some point and claiming a bit earlier gives us time to discuss what we think about it. As his relatively early claim makes sense from point scum and town perspective and it's not really possible to determine which is more likely, it's a null tell. He can still be useful by being alive, tying roleblocker or even by taking a bullet. A tracker is not a DT in terms of usefulness. I may be wrong about redff and that's always the possibility in mafia, but the evidence suggests otherwise and as such you should be voting for someone else, preferably BC. First of all, I dont think he fake claimed. He really is a tracker. As a scum tracker, he can easily act as town, he just wont track scummy people, will share his result and will be outing blue where we think he is looking for scums. It is extremely difficult to differentiate between a town tracker and a scum tracker. Another possibility is that another scum is a tracker, and he claims his role while simply being a mafia goon. What makes him really look bad is his reaction to pressire. He claimed, spend all his posts saying we should unvote him, then ragequitted the game. While I agree that WBG was agressive towards him, this is not at all a convincing defence. On the no resistance part : Yes I find it strange. Yet prplhz and you are actively defending him, and VE removed his vote from him. So there is a little resistance. (I dont think your scum, your defending him way too openly for that). Scum could also be bussing him. They bussed sheth from day 1 on arkham city after all, so it wouldnt be unseen. There is 8 vote on redFF as of now ,3 on BC, 1 on toad, 1 on Blazinghand. I'll read BC and blazinghand filter and try to see if they are a better lynch. | ||
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On February 22 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote: As I noted earlier, I do not think it's likely that the setup has a scum tracker but no town tracker. Therefore the town tracker can just counter claim him, but I doubt that's going to happen as it's more likely that he is our town tracker. These are assumptions, but reasonable and likely ones. Anyway, I don't think he is town because of his claim, but due to other aforementioned evidence and rationale. His claim is really mhat makes him look bad to me. I was neutral on him before that. On Blazinghand: There is actually very little content in his filter, most of his posts are one liner, he has very little justifications behind his votes. Everything that dirkzor stated is true. I could support lynching him. Reading BC's filter now. | ||
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On February 22 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote: If he starts announcing people visiting anyone but people who died he dies before he can say noose . Please use your head, scum or town he wont do that. I'm not sure if your sentence make any sense... What I meant is that as a tracker, he can investigate players that mafia suspect of being blue, while still looking town because he'll share the results. A mafia tracker can easily act exactly as a town tracker would. | ||
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I've read BC's filter. He has'nt been very active until now, but so far his filter is consistent. IN his first post he states that he is against policy lynches, but for lynching bad people, and that he is waiting for bad people to appear. A few post later, he states that redFF shouldnt be that bad, so he doesnt vote for him yet. But then redFF play did not improve, he made his bad claim, and BC decided that he is bad enough for a lynch. His play is consistent. I dont know BC nearly enough to lynch him on his meta. On February 22 2012 21:37 risk.nuke wrote: Syllo if redFF is scum it would not be weird at all that there would be no or little resistance from the scum-side. His claim is problematic but I don't think we should lynch him. If he is telling the truth and is a tracker, every night he lives is dangerous for the scum so they will get rid of him. Wasting a lynch to do scums job for them and kill a blue seems optimally bad, weighing it against the alternative that he's scum and is trying to survive alittle longer or maybe out a blue I think not lynching him is the way to proceed. Even if he is scum he is less of a threat to town because he will not survive to the endgame. This has been in my mind for some time. I'm starting to think that even if we do not know BC alignement ( And that is assuming that no town DT/Cop is willing to clear that out), we could get some valuable info out of him. I'm willing to let him live for now. This doesnt mean I will trust the result of his investigation ( if any). But when entering mid/late game, if he flips, i believe his claim are going to help town finding the last scum. I'll be moving my vote to Blazinghand. ##Unvote ##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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Syllo, as redFF main defender, what is your stance on WBG, who basically started and conducted the redFF lynch ? Also, you said earlier that you also found BH scummy. Do you still think it is the case ? | ||
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Lets wait for the day post, and stop talking about red. If he doesnt flip at daybreak, there is nothing more to learn from him. | ||
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Blazinghand I feel like his posting has improved compared to day 1. His is pointing at potential scum slip, and i feel like he is actually trying to help town rigth now, and no longer just posting useless posts. Still not confirmed townie, but on the rigth track. Toad On February 25 2012 07:37 Toadesstern wrote: using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please  On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. Toad delivers two strong scum read, and for both of them says he doesnt want to lynch them. I've got to say, layabout his rigth. Either they act scummy, in which wase they are lynch candidate, or they act towny, and should not be lynched. Also, he votes for RoL over those too without any reason, just to "get this rolling". He is basically defending both VE and BH by saying : "they look scum but hey, dont lynch them". Which to be honest is like the worst possible defence. RoL : His entire case against DocH seems to be seems to be revolving aroung DocH soft defending redFF. NOw if redFF actually had flipped scum, his case would make DocH a potential lynch, but as of now, with no flip information it feels really weak. I dont really see any good reason for pushing a DocH lynch. I'll put my vote on him, to pressure him to come post useful posts. ##vote RoL | ||
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On February 26 2012 04:48 Toadesstern wrote: What about lynching people who aren't even playing this game? I've got a feeling we've been wrong on most of our scummy reads so far and that's why mafia is chilling and not even posting in this thread. Yeah it's a pretty big assumption but I really don't like people like risk and Chaoser. For all I know those two could very well end up being modkilled. Of course there's no such thing as activity modkill but not voting for someone will still be a modkill and neither of those 2 has voted. I'd say we lynch one of those 2 if one of them shows up and votes without a reason or just a oneliner the very next day. I don't see a reason to lynch into possible modkills right now so I won't suggest switching votes. Tyrran and Kita are somewhat the same because they haven't voted yet, they don't post a lot but they do post from time to time. Jackal hasn't voted either but has at least some presence in this thread like Kita and Tyrran and well, he's known for doing this lurkish style and the other ones I've mentioned are more extreme imo. Like RoL is actually playing the game. The post he made during day 2 are discussing the redFF lynch. Who would discuss this as town. RedFF was lynched, we have to move on, not continue discuss this. This is scum play trying to divert us from real issue. I thougth i voted against him from my phone, but apparently it did not go through. Nothing in his play had made me change my mind. ##Vote ROL | ||
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RoL should be ou next target. Scum managed to deflect his lynch into a blue, lets not let them do it again. Risk.nuke is actively lurking, he is a pretty good vig target. Toad is scum. Prplhz is useless Chaoser is just bad town. Dont lynch/shoot him. Now, back to reading. | ||
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##Vote RebirthOfLegend. I guess I should make an elaborate case on why Toad is scum too, so tat we can lynch him tomorrow. Dirkzor, you're not starting day 3 very well. We dont care if Jackal was a town or scum hit. Instead, who do you think is scum is this game ? | ||
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On February 28 2012 18:53 prplhz wrote: Because I am having a hard time convincing myself that any of them are scum and I'd much rather lynch into more inactive people. No one here has less than a page worth of posts and that should be enough to get a decent read. Guess the chaoser lynch is a no-go. Why is RoL not in your list ? He has been pretty much inactive too, not to mention that NOTHING in his filter is pro town ? So why would you lynch me or chaoser over him ? | ||
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