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On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:50 redFF wrote: Ace is a cunt and not in this game, stop riding his dick and play. and yet hes better than you in near every way. What does that say about you? | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:56 redFF wrote: him being a cunt has nothing to do with his skill at mafia. I was more referencing the fact your behaving worse than he normally does (he is better than you). As you are being a total douche canoe yet don't carry the level of skill or better than him I was referencing that you were deserving of a far lower and baser title. I am free to let others pick for you as I simply switch to different and more entertaining terms. Now, shall we play instead of focusing on how fun it is that you play in the shallow end of the sandbox all alone. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote: /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously. I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:06 redFF wrote: Actually bc I'm kind of pissed you're calling me the troll when any personal flaming/animosity started with wbg's first posts of the game, everything I've said has been a response to that. Before that I was being perfectly civil, maybe bad and stupid, but not a dick. Trolls aren't always flaming asshats. I find that the way you continued talking about policy lynching troll like. The continuing of posts between you and wbg (screams troll from both of you) is bad. I am moderately guilty as well, but as someone who has played with ace for years and as he is not in this game it is moderately disrespectful to trash him. You also said things I viewed as bad Pushing what I will view as bad agendas or bad forms of play is something I near always comment on. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Come on guy....COME ON. You know what I'm asking. Do you think he's scum? Also, I thought we were well beyond policy-discussion - I've put forth a scum-candidate and several people have joined the wagon (with little to no reasoning)....and some (and by some I mean WBG) have even gone on to defend him - citing meta resources that point to badTownRedFF. I mean, did you miss all this in reading? Why are you trying to color this all as policy discussion? What's up yo? its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. Hell, I think chaoser is also bad for defending posting town reads as a viable move at this stage in the game. It is only at all useful if people are posting clear scum reads along with clear town reads to make them fully accountable rather than "contributing" without doing much. As for coloring it up to policy discussion, the main point you first raised (I will re-read to see what your entire argument is in exact detail so i stress the first point i saw) was his push on tyrran via policy of being bad. Factor in the mass level of general annoyance with him via his recent behaviour outside of game it is not outside the realms of possibility people are "policy" pushing him based on him being a total wad. | ||
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He then states that if he is roleblocked to lynch him, but says its not optimal to lynch claimed blues? Contradiction and sounds like hes just finding any reason to stay alive. This level of play is so insanely bad that it makes me sad. He knows all this and yet still does the play to create a total shit fest of a thread and does not in anyway create a pro town environment. As for syllo. Get off my nuts. 5 hours is never enough information to actually commit to a read especially given my horrible ability to differentiate between bad play and bad scum. Find other straw men to go burn. ##vote redff | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote: Its not like the BC wagon is forming quickly. Scum voting for RedFF can just sit there and hope 7 votes are enough to hang RedFF. And to be precise we have 3 wagons. RedFF Bloodyc0bble -------------->Blazinghand <-------------- RedFF is a non-issue. He don't want to play anymore. If he returns we can take the discussion again. There are argument for and against keeping him alive even if he is scum. Bloodyc0bble is gone. He don't care. He is indifferent. He have been a target for some time now but he don't want to defend himself. Okayish lynch. Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him. Ok, i have to take off for work soon but as it seems people are being retarded I have to come in and defend myself. Reasons like this post are reasons I am more or less a dick this game. You just said redff is a non issue because he doesn't want to play? If he is scum he is still going to help his team and guess what else? It means you just gave him a free pass to lurk the fuck out of the game without ever contributing and not die unless he actively posts. There are no activity requirements this game and you are letting someone go with a free pass seriously. You then paint a bullseye on me for being indifferent and not defending myself? The case against me is terrible. Wasting my time on a case that imo doesn't warrant being lynched on is something I should never have to respond to. The fact that said case is also being pushed by players who know better is even sadder. Whats even worse is you have those same people pushing my lynch saying I am more likely scum, yet one of the major reasons for their defense (as near all of them have also defended redff), is that there was near no resistance to his lynch. Guess what? I have seen very few people defend me through this lynch yet redff has had a ton defending him. | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Look again pal - I've counted layabout, Blazinghand and WBG all defending you so far. And I have counted you, syllo, prpl, drH, and more defending redff either directly or indirectly. Your point? There are far less defending me then there are on redff. Aside from general indifference I have done exactly what I said I would. Call out bad play. Redff has outright rage quit the thread after creating a clusterfuck of a day. Yet you are fine with someone actively disrupting and sabotaging a thread, but don't like when someone gets pissed off at bad play. Palmar invited people so that serious play would be done this game. I have yet to be given a game I was promised. What did you expect me to do day 1? Have an elaborate setup based plan in a closed setup? Did you expect me to post a list of scum reads day 5 hours into the day (when you guys have primarily based your entire argument on me around). Anyone who knows my style knows that I do not do this regardless of alignment. My ability to differentiate bad town from bad mafia or mafia in general is sub par in comparison to foolishness, incog, ver, etc... You can ask them and they will confirm this. Tell me what you expected? I was promised decent play in a game that has for the most part been herp derpy. Do you really want me to pull another pyp3? That was not enjoyable for me or anyone in the game. | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote: L had 10 times the herp-derpiness this game has had - and yet you were able (with the help of superior scumhunters, by your estimation) to come up with some reads. Your entire defense is based around the fact that "everyone has these unrealistic expectations of me", but the fact of the matter is that you've been entirely useless this game so far - oh, you called out bad play and voted for redFF?! COOL STORY BRO THAT'S WHAT WBG HAD BEEN DOING ALL EFFING GAME. No, you're scum and I think the fact that instead of posting reads or whatever when the heat is on, you went instantly into defensive mode when it's pretty clear that your wagon isn't even going to make it. Without naming names I already posted my thoughts. Perhaps you should read what I post for full content. As for L? It had 10 times the herp derpiness with how many players total were in the game but overall level in this game is far higher and more infuriating with it is there are less players being intelligent. As for defending myself? I only am because people are voting for me for the most retarded reasons. Find me being scummy and not annoyed. How about instead of tunneling one player you look at all the people swapping their vote like a complete derp. How about you look at the player who said "he claimed a role in a closed setup but his claim is pro town" when that player then rage quits right after. How about you look at all the people defending bad play with bad justification instead of tunneling one person who the case on is flimsy at best. Seriously. The level of wtf play in this game is near horrendous. | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: BH, since you claim you can't be meta'd can you explain how anything you've done is helpful to town? You seem to agree that you've been an unoriginal sheep the entire game, but you're posting more than anyone else. Stop announcing your votes and make a point or I'll likely change my vote. I have a case to push but I won't do it until the end of the night unless there is significant time left. The vote ends today right? Few hours? 12 minutes | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's fine then. Can I expect to see some contribution beyond criticism from you on Day 2, BC? I'm pretty sure prplhz is scum and I'll make my case on him tonight in case I die. RedFF seems likely as well, but we'll see when the flip happens. BC has responded fairly well to the pressure as far as explaining himself in my opinion, all that's lacking is for him to make some positive play or follow through with his criticisms by scumhunting on the second day. correct. | ||
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For starters lets look at this post that I just read after catching up on the thread. I will move on to more stuff after it but I feel it should be addressed just due to the sheer level of "wtf" in it. On February 24 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote: Alright guys I think we should lynch BC today. Here's the case, which others have made, and which is only stronger over a day later with him not having contributed substantially in the meantime: So here's my case for BC BC opens up like this: + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. On February 21 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and yet hes better than you in near every way. What does that say about you? On February 21 2012 11:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I was more referencing the fact your behaving worse than he normally does (he is better than you). As you are being a total douche canoe yet don't carry the level of skill or better than him I was referencing that you were deserving of a far lower and baser title. I am free to let others pick for you as I simply switch to different and more entertaining terms. Now, shall we play instead of focusing on how fun it is that you play in the shallow end of the sandbox all alone. This is BC being mad, unhelpful, and criticising the discussion without legitimately helping or doing anything. This isn't very BC-like and isn't really helping the town at all. Then he's actually kinda noncomittal on redFF: + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously. I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. This is actually a worthless post. "He's being bad, mocking poeple, but so am I, there are a few players like this, oh hey look a policy discussion" On February 21 2012 12:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Trolls aren't always flaming asshats. I find that the way you continued talking about policy lynching troll like. The continuing of posts between you and wbg (screams troll from both of you) is bad. I am moderately guilty as well, but as someone who has played with ace for years and as he is not in this game it is moderately disrespectful to trash him. You also said things I viewed as bad Pushing what I will view as bad agendas or bad forms of play is something I near always comment on. The kettle and the pot calling each other black This is actually semi reasonable but it's an important thing to note to contrast with his next post: Now let's take a look at where we are so far 1) BC hasn't analyzed dick all game 2) redFF claims tracker 3) this causes BC to say "well before the claim he seemed iffy, but claiming tracker means he could be a scum-aligned tracker? maybe there are multiple trackers!" This is possibly the worst reason to get on the redFF wagon I could think of. He then continues to defend himself not with reason but with rage and incoherences, since there's no real reason for his defense. He claims that there's nothing you can really do day 1 in a closed setup, and generally makes excuses. As he avoids the noose, and here's what he promises: And yet here we are, over a day later. Was BC so sure he wouldn't die overnight? Will we see anything at all useful from him today? I don't think there's anything valuable coming out of BC because he's trying to be unvaluable. His attacks were shoddy, his vote on redFF was antireasoned (he provided a reason that was literally bad), and his defense was empty and hollow. And here we are, greeted by crushing silence from him. What's the deal, BC? ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Now, let me begin with. He starts that analysis with the words "here is the case which others have made." This means he is attempting to once again push a lynch on me. This is more or less moot for the reasons I am commenting however. He is actively pushing a lynch in which the case is not his own. In this regards it is an obvious showing early on to dodge responsibility for said lynch. He then to continue a "case" he begins to rather analyze posts he insteads decides to summarize a game day as if its a valid reasons at analysis. He attempts to misconstrue a post as well where I state I will be active today (as this is day 2) by trying to paint suspicion that I was not around during the night. Given that the read on me is not his own, nor that he is attempting to offer solid reasons to me screams fishy as hell. Pushing a lynch that had garnered alot of attention the day before where not always a bad thing is incredibly fishy coming from a player who could not make up their mind, nor had a good reason to hopping onto it to begin with. However lets move onto some of my reads instead of people I have on my watch list. Risk.nuke This guy is someone who has done nothing to help the town while coming out with stellar posts like On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote: Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. On February 23 2012 06:54 risk.nuke wrote: God dammit don't lynch a person who claimed tracker day 1. If you have ANY brains. I will link his filter as well for people to continue reading for them selves. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=76576 Now, why do I mention risk nuke? Simple. The two posts I quoted imo show a high level of anti town sentiment via play. Why you ask? Town has no reason to not spend some time figuring out the main points of a case. Voting once perhaps but given that he was posting at various points throughout the day he would have known the arguments against myself and redff to be able to give an actual opinion on which he felt should be lynched. Actively admitting to sheeping a player without actually justifying a vote is very scumlike in my eyes. Following it up with the "don't lynch someone who claimed tracker day 1" is also very very suspect to me as well. I say this because by allowing someone to claim a role day 1 that is not confirmable via action day 1 only opens them up to potential role tampering. You could get roleblocked, your target always seems to die, your checks mysteriously are wrong, etc.. In these cases said player would ultimately die to town regardless of alignment. It also opens a level of credibility the player does not deserve. People instantly see a role that is normally a pro town role and instantly assume that player is town. If the claim is fake, or the role is in mafia hands this leads to a player being "confirmed" when they in fact are not. Obviously a player could be the role they claimed, but given that you will never be able to confirm their role / alignment without outing another role or killing said player it is never ideal to let them stay alive. Both of the posts I mentioned are extremely suspect in my eyes for reasons I posted, he also has alot of what I would deem fluff posts which are not really helpful in any way. As of now I will say most likely scum and will cement my read as he continues to post. Lets now move onto RoL. My read on RoL is one that is almost solely around meta. His filter is located http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=41447 My personal experience with a scum RoL is that of a lazy inactive RoL. I think anyone could go back and read a game like plexa's summer mafia (he was mafia) and flamewheels mafia 42(i believe this was the weird mason mechanic game) and compare the difference of a mafia RoL to a town RoL. You could also look at responsibility mafia where he was town as well. RoL as town is normally very active however he is not this game. IF he continues this trend I will heavily push his lynch. I am willing to see how he performs today to determine if he is infact scum. I have a heavy leaning at this moment in time that he is scum based on his general level of inactivity and on the basis that out of all his posts with no commitment to any opinion(except a roleclaim) to any stance while posting useless video or making posts like "hello all" His only real opinion was on why he believed redff had to go which was purely one based on the roleclaim and not based on anything else. Based on inactivity fitting his normal meta + his posts not being as indepth or trying to help the town move in a progression similar to such I believe he is scum. He could come in here and convince me otherwise, but as of now that is my opinion. | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler as happy as I am with this result? Whats the reason for this? | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote: By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. | ||
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On February 24 2012 19:10 risk.nuke wrote: You're all still dumb for killing redFF, you don't kill a person who claims tracker. If he were town scum would either have to kill him and we wouldn't need to waste a lynch or let him live in the hopes that we will kill him out of suspicion but also leaves the risk of him finding scum. If he were scum we would had lynched him soon out of suspicion anyway. This is incredibly terrible. In a setup like this, lets say for arguments sake you are correct and redff was a tracker. If he checked someone who did not leave there home he would not know. If he was roleblocked he would not know. You say not killing him was dumb, yet leaving someone around who's role is now jeopardized and essentially useless only to say kill them later. Based on outing his own role / his play if there is some form of role disabler then town instead of "wasting" a lynch early would instead have to put up with continued scumlike play and leave someone alive purely on a claim. A claim does not mean someone is town, their actions due. Do you think aside from his tracker claim that redff was being pro town? This same person who claimed also rage quit the thread and spent an entire game day posting horrible content. As this has been your only post since the beginning of the day, you are now even further on my radar as scum. There is no logically sound reason I can see to your point of view. | ||
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You're analysis of risk nuke comes off very much like something I already posted. It is odd you would move your vote to someone I brought up as a scum option given that until I posted I was your top scum read. Very interesting. You also base your entire case on him due to his sheep vote with a shite reason. Yet all you did day 1 was rehash other peoples arguments, then flip flop a ton near end of day on who to actually lynch. Ultimately you stayed on me but you swapped at least 2 if not 3 times in the last hour. Each one of your "cases" has been a rehash of someone else's that you carry like its your own case yet you back down or dodge most confrontations and avoid trying to take the seat of responsibility. If you want to push someones lynch for being scum then choose someone you firmly believe is scum and push, you don't flail around and let others do the work for you only to sheep after. | ||
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On February 25 2012 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: LOL holy shit. Scum much? You have played enough with me to know my play is erratic and that I have played plenty of games active as scum. Just because I was busy for 16 hours (get over it guys) doesn't mean you are going to get away with this shit when I am actually reading the thread. Helvetica you are scum, will get to that in a minute though. Your play is erratic only in terms of quality of your posts. Now and then you have things like work keeping you distracted or the like, but the level of posts you make are normally decent as town and lazyish as scum. If your telling me I am wrong on this, prove it to me. Til then your on my radar. | ||
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You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment. ##vote Blazinghand | ||
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Then start thinking of your own cases or your own points to add to cases. You have yet to post anything new or insightful. Possibly something useful you could learn | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting. Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification. Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said. ;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. | ||
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On February 25 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote: BC - is this DocH's normal play? It looks to me like he's pouring on the "Hey guys, watch me pressure these noobs!" a little thick... He does this alot with pressuring people. I think his lack of confidence in some of his reads / the way he is more carefully moving around with his posts he is more likely town. The games I have read he has been in as red he has been really really really confident. He just doesn't have that air this game. I could be wrong but this is purely based on past experience. However that doesn't mean I agree with his reads. | ||
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On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote: I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote: I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town. Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. | ||
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On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote: I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out. MAKING A CASE IS CALLING HIM OUT YOU DUMB FUCK User was warned for this post | ||
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On February 25 2012 11:40 Blazinghand wrote: Again, I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. The case wasn't a huge case, but he didn't have a huge filter (post end of D1). It is what it is. | ||
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On February 25 2012 11:48 Blazinghand wrote: Wait look so maybe my wording isn't perfect, but I'm definitely not the best lynch today. I've been trying to improve my game and everything you guys ;_; I disagree | ||
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On February 25 2012 18:39 Blazinghand wrote: So you are utterly unconvinced by my claim, my crumb, and my explanation for my voting actions near the end of D1? I'm heading to bed fairly soon. I guess at least this will provide some context for who was getting on my wagon when etc when I flip. Hopefully though I won't, since you guys are reasonable. Any questions/comments/concerns before I sleep? Given that your extra vote was never factored into the vote as far as I can see it at the moment I am going to call bullshit on your claim. Factor in your poor play and overall disrespectul demeanor to players in the last few pages, imo you outright lied to me although you will argue you did not, then I am keeping my vote on you. In my view you have played the most scummy this entire game thus far. I will be back early to mid afternoon est as I am jetting to work now. | ||
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When factoring in any claim people please take into account the actual play of the player up to that point and not just take the claim as they claim it. Now I'm gone. | ||
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On February 26 2012 03:12 kitaman27 wrote: That's a weird conclusion to come to. Rather than to ask him to submit his Floridian vote right now to confirm his role, you're going to accuse him of fake claiming? I find it strange that you instantly jump to the idea that he is a liar, rather than attempting to get more information on the situation. Blazinghand can you confirm that your role shows up in the vote count? Just got home and to respond to this, look at the current vote update by palmar. BH specifically said his ability was passive. As such RoL should have 4 votes not 3. He clearly has 3 beside RoL's name. There is obviously the chance that Palmar has opted to not show the vote be it with a x2 beside his name or an anonymous vote, but as I have never seen or heard of the floridian worked that way I will call bs on bh's claim still. My reasoning in part obviously may be wrong based on the setup being different, however I find it hard to believe palmar would include roles that activate and do what they do yet there is never a link to the role use. | ||
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On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. RoL was a mod of salem with me >.> | ||
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On February 28 2012 02:42 Jitsu wrote: @VE, the other thing yelling at me in the back of my mind is that BC is still alive. No one claimed a Jackal Vig shot, so I assume both Jackal and Syllo were mafia hits. Two shots on two town players - understandable. But they didn't even attempt to kill one of the better, more renowned town players? That thought keeps creeping back into my mind. This is wifom beyond belief -_- There are numerous reasons as to why someone of my standing would or wouldn't get shot. I could obviously start naming some of them but it would serve no actual point to list them. The few most likely logical reasons mafia would not shoot me is they believe I will get lynched, they believe a town will shoot me, or they have tried and it was stopped in some way(obviously no way to confirm this last one). There are many more reasons obviously but these are the ones that stand out in my mind. Its also hard to actually figure out the logical reasons as to why all people get shot at night as they could be shot from anything ranging from they were saying intelligent things to attempting to dodge medics to attempting to blue snipe. Without knowing who the mafia is, attempting to guess why someone was shot or not shot is merely guesses/assumptions and cannot be proven until reds start to flip. | ||
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On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. As a note DrH to help prove your point, i believe mafia 42 (i believe this is flamewheels weird mason mechanic game) would fit the bill for RoL playing badly as town. He lurked until heavily called out, then proceeded to push lynches on townies and get into pointless arguments with his accusers. | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote: ##Vote wherebugsgo Funny thing is, I don't even need to make a case. Burden of proof and all that shit. What the fuck is this shit? Guilty until proven innocent? Get the fuck out. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. This is one of the single most scummy things I have read this game. On August 06 2011 20:35 Ace wrote: Even dumber than 2 years ago. Player A: Prove you're Town. Player B: What? That absurdly ridi- Player A: He can't do it! Lynch him! Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! Lynch him! or the equally stupid because it's the same thing: Player A: Prove you aren't Mafia. Player B: .... Player A: He's defending himself! Lynch him! Defending yourself is a scumtell! Jubjubs: My god! Why didn't we see this before! *smacks collective forehead* There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Try to be on the ignorant side, ok? I am not sure you are mafia, or just horrendous town. However, based on your filter and lack of any reasonable content (i see lots of sheeping) you seem mafia. I don't know how much else to say about you aside from go die. On February 28 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I have a feeling we're screwed. I think BC is scum and RoL doesn't care enough to clear his name. /facepalm I'm about to go on a posting spree about a few people, and I'd appreciate some leeway to finish my posts before we just start calling everything I'm saying scummy. I'm going to be examining the following people - previous scumreads BloodyC0bbler, wherebugsgo and RoL and new interestings Toadesstern and layabout. I'm not sure who I'll support a lynch of, but if it's not one of these people, I'll cerrtainly provide reasoning explaining why. I'm still waiting on your posting. I see a lot of posts from you saying you think RoL and I are scum and have seen these posts since day 1. What I find interesting however is that of your top scum reads the ones who have sat there the longest you are fine with keeping alive but are opting to push someone else entirely. What I find even more interesting is that you promised to analyze 5 players and you have only analyzed 1. I also find it amusing that of those 5 people not only have you not looked at the person who was jumping at wbg (who was on your scum reads) but I don't even see the comments in regards to said scum read also tunneling the player you were pushing for. I also don't understand why you have yet to comment about that same player hopping off wbg and jumping back onto a player that you have said is the bottom of your lynch list. You have promised alot, and are guilty of similar levels of inactivity as at least two of the players you have pushed for inactivity (obviously myself and RoL have been far more inactive overall than you have, but you have also vanished for decent periods of time). You have not pushed the target you feel is most likely to be mafia to sufficient levels either day 1 or 2. In day 1 you pushed heavily on Redff then flip flopped your vote between him and me until you ultimately settled on me. Day 2 you pushed wbg almost solely as your only option as a red player yet you VOTED FOR BLAZING HAND. He wasn't on a list you provided publically. You didn't give any piece of information of why you swapped your vote, you just swapped. Why would anyone as town move away from their #1 scum target for the day to a player you have not discussed as red at all nor provided a reason and instead appears to be joining a bandwagon. This screams scum jumping ship from 1 player to a misslynch target. On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Let me just attack the points of note, because they're easier to digest and they pretty clearly outline his entire gripe with me. - "said BC was "null" but aslo somehow scummy enough to vote" First of all, here is the post I assume WBG is referring to. I never EVER said that BC himself was "null". I said that the action of him angrily and hastily throwing together posts was null as fuck. I then go on to say that with the rest of BC's behavior outside the anger and hasty annoyed posts, referring to his nudge of redFF, lack of commitment to a read of red, failure to address the concerns I brought forward after his first appearance in thread, etc., seems incriminating to me. This post is me asking Jackal why the fuck BC lived and redFF died after claiming Tracker. I never at any point say that I have a 'null' read on BC, I'm not in the business of pushing my 'null' reads' wagons to the very last minute. -"has written fluff posts similar to BCAC" This is cute, especially coming from WBG. Mafia is a social game. If all I've been doing had been making fluff posts with no content, this would be a valid point. However, I've put forward more content in D1 than WBG has all game. Easily. EASILY WBG FUCKING HANDS DOWN. -"calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it" This is....hilarious. WBG is latching onto DocH's case without doing a thing himself. He's not even interested in my side, he hasn't asked questions, he's just throwing shit to see what sticks. Nothing is going to fucking stick. Because it's all bullshit. It's a bullshit case built on someone else's legwork who (no offense Doc) is probably just pissed that I had them fooled last game with my scum play. He's bouncing around, hoping someone somewhere will take what he's doing as effort, but I think most everyone here is smarter than that. ##Vote: wherebugsgo Bang. Die scum. Man I love this post. Why? Because it shows that you are basing the fact wbg is scum based on latching onto a case without doing a thing himself (i would disagree but hey to each their own). However, he does not actually follow through by analyzing other players of similar behaviour. Take prplhz for example. Lets take a gander at these fun quotes from On February 28 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: Here are my scum power rankings! (anything past 5 may be completely arbitrary) 1.) prplhz: On day one, prpl hard defends redff from the lynch, without providing an alternate candidate. He claims to have pushed the BC lynch. Lets take a closer look: Is this honestly what prpl considers pushing? A bunch of wishy-washy statements without providing any actual reasoning? He constantly brings up how bad he is as if he is trying to downplay his abilities. Now lets move on to day two: He starts off by voting RoL. Towards the end of the day he changes to blazing. His reasoning: The entire game, the strongest reason prpl has believed someone to be scum is because of a Floridian claim. Not once does he even reference his actual posts or behavior. Looking back to day one, prpl was willing to defend red because the claim made sense to him. The next day, a similar claim is provided and he has no reason to believe it. The entire game prpl has responded poorly to pressure and would be a fine lynch candidate. Take a gander at some of these posts where day 1 prplhz sheeps VE and syllogism, and day 3 we see prplhz sheeping VE yet again (posting his gem about burden of proof being on the accused) yet somehow VE has not looked at this player at all in a negative light? He called out someone originally based on that behaviour but it is only scummy on one player? Given the amount of times prpl has been called out / the times he has sheeped VE he would deff be someone VE should have been analyzing to at least some degree yet no public scum leaning? No discussion of his scummy behaviour? Very interesting and convenient don't you think? Then we look at the entire premise of VE's posting on wbg today and it can be pretty well summed up with On February 28 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote: It's cool Doc - join the VE wagon of failure then. If you can't see a marked difference in the vaguery that WBG asked Syllo and my questions to others in the game then I can't help you. He's scummily trying to skate by doing jack shit, and he deserves the rope today. If you think I fit that bill better, then you should vote for me. In fact, fuck it. Everyone should just vote for me and get it over with. I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong about WBG, but I'm certainly not wrong about myself - I'm town. If me dying clears up any confusion regarding WBG, then lynch the fuck out of me and then lynch the fuck out of WBG. I'm not defending myself when I'm doing everything I can to get scum lynched right now. No time. Wow, we have a gem of you martyring and saying that you COULD BE WRONG OF WBG. WHY WOULD YOU EVER PUSH SOMEONE WHO IS NOT YOUR 100% RED TARGET. THIS IS BAD PLAY. If you think someone is anti town you call them out for it, but pushing someone who you have just admitted you could be wrong on yet you have posts like On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive. This is also awesome for the bolded part. Why you ask? Because I have just shown that he is not confident in his opinion of wbg yet he refuses to move his vote elsewhere. He martyrs himself in one post then says I won't let up until he dies. VE's alignment says nothing about wbg goes alignment. Why? because arguments can be staged, people can be wrong, etc... VE had admitted to having other scum reads, yet he refuses to move onto them. He martyrs himself as if it will actually prove a point about someone elses alignment which he knows it will not. He ignores obviously scumlike behaviour by other players who are guilty of the same behaviour he has called out other people for. He has sheep voted for no reason at all, and he has now out and out said he won't vote for anyone aside from bugs until we do what he says. This essentially means he won't help town unless we do what he says. Why would any townie do this? You can actively push a player and if town doesn't want to lynch him you can move onto another scum read while still pushing your original suspect. This is blatantly anti town. Lynch VE or prpl, both are scum. | ||
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On February 28 2012 14:14 kitaman27 wrote: Is RoL still on your radar BC? What do you think about his ragequit? I believe he is still scum. I could see someone who had been playing super hard this game getting pissed off at people derping hard and rage quit after putting in tons of effort. However, RoL has done fucking nothing pro town. His ragequit seems more like "redff almost didn't get lynched for it, might as well try it myself" approach. Why you ask? Look at the posts since his ragequit. Near all of them were arguing between drh, toad, ve, and wbg about other people. | ||
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On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous. He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too. Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad. I find him guilty, however as the host of AC and someone who read every post that game I can clearly state that toad was like the #8 mafia for their team. He has played incredibly badly and appears to be scummy as fuck and I could easily find posts that would display this (his recent behaviour excluded as its wtf as hell), but he did near exactly the same behaviour as town. As such my read on him is not as strong as my read on prpl and VE. My only doubts on toad are meta related which can be a terrrrrible reason, but VE and prpl both know not to do what they are doing and still are doing it. Both are actively not encouraging pro town atmospheres and in the case of prpl skirting by with sheep votes and buddying up to players agreeing with them to justify said votes. I feel far more strongly about both of these than I do toad. Toad could very well flip mafia, but I think he could also flip town. | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Save time, shoot you tonight and lynch BC tomorrow Would love to see your new reasons for this. I have yet to see anyone post a decent analysis of why I should be lynched this game. As a note I also can't defend myself if no case is presented aside from "lynch this guy". On February 29 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, I'll respond to your post soon. I have to say though, calling me out for lack of contribution is...guy it's fucking offensive coming from you this game. Yes, I disappeared for 2 days. Yes, I got excited after my case on WBG and ignored the other people I said I'd look into. When these things become indicative of me pushing an agenda, you go ahead and push me for lynch - until then, I suggest you get in here and look for actual scum. . My intention wasn't to be offensive. It was merely that you called people out for things that you were also guilty of. Are your levels of inactivity as high as a ton of players in this game (myself included on that list) no, however mentioning that you were guilty of to a degree what you were calling people out for is required in my eyes. You're contributions you have made have been cases on people but none of those people have been lynched. In one case you voted for a player who to my knowledge you never made a case on. If you took it offensively I am sorry, but when I see scummy play in forms I call it out. As for looking for scum, I did not see at any point in time prpl pushing pro town ideals and saw him sheeping others hardcore along with other issues. Did he flip town? Yes, which sucks massive dick, however he was playing so bad he looked scum. On February 29 2012 00:07 Kurumi wrote: Because redFF was scum. WBG would bus redFF. Hey BC, how was it being the second in the lynch race D1? Would they cover up Your body? Sucked massive goat dick. As for if mafia would cover up my body (if they have said role which seems likely based on continued flips since that post), I would take a gander at saying yes as it would waste the entire days worth of discussion and thus put us in a similar spot day 2 where it felt like day 1 all over again. I have no way of confirming if mafia would or would not actually cover my flip but it seems likely whichever person was lynched day 1 was most likely having that happen given redff not flipping. This is of course reliant on a role being used and not some weird wtf bit with redff's role not flipping for other reasons. | ||
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I have had to think over who is the best lynch for the day. Someone who obviously has done 0 for the town by being inactive / skirting modkills or someone who has been active in thread while pushing in my opinion scummy agendas. Obviously I am not the person anyone is looking to for general guidance this game as my track record is less than stellar however I have honestly come down to the options of toad and RoL for similar reasons near everyone else is. My only issue with today is someone near as inactive as myself is the one heavy pushing the lynch of RoL which is almost tossing the analysis and play of toad completely off the grid. This irks me completely as kita has sat back and not done much overall this game. I kinda get why other people feel fishy about me now because of it. RoL feels like a townie who doesn't give a shit whos an easy misslynch, or someone mafia is ready to off since town reads are mostly fubar'd. As such I am going to stay off RoL. Lynching a basically inactive player at this point regardless of how we feel about them is less optimal at hitting a scum player directing our lynches. Given that this lynch is as important as it is and given that the moment drH died people mass pushed on RoL and tried to take the heat off of toad I'm going to trust for the one time in my life drH's read purely based on how the thread has moved since then. If I am wrong on this I am forever fucking sorry, but given spectacularly bad play and general pro mafia stances I am moving onto toad. ##vote toad I am going to work, and I work a split today so should be back for like an hour before my second shift at like 1-2pm if i am lucky. So depending on progression on thread I may swap my vote but as the thread stands now toad imo is best lynch. | ||
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Someone coming out on the most critical day of a game and claiming a dt role (he claims he dies if he checks red, but aside from day 1 he never once helped town by making similar posts or crumbs). Instead he opts to sit back and for the most part never contributes. (again i am guilty of this). He actively asks mafia in thread to put him out of his misery in regards to this game. This is not the behaviour of someone who has town interests at heart, he has not crumbed any of his checks aside from day 1 check which is again not very helpful, he has also claimed a role that not only would confirm townies but out mafia at the cost of just himself. Rather than continuing to aid the town all game he instead comes out when its mylo and "confirming himself" This same guy who miscounted # of town players in this game, and the same guy who apparently miscounted votes as well. He did push RoL lynch and RoL did flip red but this to me is not indicative of his alignment, nor imo of the alignment of anyone on the RoL wagon. Why? Simple. RoL would have been dead weight at this point in time in terms of how he has played all game. There would have been no feasible way for mafia to have kept him alive all game and thus pushing him now at mylo would be the best time to ever do so. It would insta get town cred for near all of members who voted him, as well as damn anyone who did not. Given the circumstances of this game I honestly felt that RoL was in a similar position to mine which was total lack of motivation combined with work / school taking up time. This game has honestly felt exactly like pick your power 3 did for me. Reading near every post in this game aside from random gems has been painful and downright demoralizing. A player like toad could be town, however has played so badly he seems scum. A player like VE who is generally considered horrible is making more sense than most people. Well known players who are expected to perform well spend the entire game waffling around or calling themselves bad, newbies don't post, people actively trolling the game, etc... All the scummiest people I have had on my radar have had a hidden flip, and two townies. Towns playing at a level that makes them indistinguishable from scum is something I don't ever want to play in. Especially given that if I am repeatedly wrong much like I have been thus far I will get lynched or night shot by a vig for it. Factor all that in there is 0 motivation to use my free time for the most part in this game. The only reason I am speaking out at all right now is purely because town can potentially save itself from itself and needs to take everything into perspective. I am not telling you to believe me when I say I am town, I merely can say it and hope you will. However keep in mind that the behaviour I have shown is near identical to at least one other player thus far this game who claimed one of the most pro town roles I have heard of in recent months and opted to be a total apathetic person to town. When all you have to do is post at the end of a cycle "if I die x is red" or the like with such little effort, why would you not? I finish a 9 day work streak tommorrow sometime in the afternoon which will end my 50ish hour work week. If the town keeps playing as it has this past game day I will be active for as long as It is decided I will be allowed to survive. If it falls back into the previous playstyle of the more recent days I make no promises to be active however. | ||
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On March 03 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD QUIT SAYING SCUMMY THINGS Saying shit like "I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game" is scummy as fuck bugs. Like, why? Why do you think it's okay to sign up for a game only to lose interest when people herp and derp around? THAT'S A FUCKING GIVEN IN THIS GAME! The community is growing, meaning we have a lot of new players who don't know what is and isn't indicative of alignment, and saying something like this only serves to breed apathy among the newer players, MAKING THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE, NOT BETTER. Apathy is NOT OKAY guys! Scum are NOT just going to tell us who they are, we have to KEEP TRYING NO MATTER HOW HOPELESS. Or give up. Does anyone just want to GIVE the game to scum? I don't. /rant Thanks for your thoughts bugs. I'm sure they'll be further illuminating come dawn. Why do players expect players to invest time into a game when everyone else is herp derping? There is no logical reason a person would put their personal time into a game where people don't give a shit at all and spend all their time either purposely or not purposely pissing people off and ruining the fun of the game. Why would anyone invest their time and effort and attempt to do something that no one gives a shit about? Near no one, its fighting an uphill battle that near no one would want to deal with it. This game also included invites to respected vet players as well as respected newbies. Everyone was expected to play well and I only joined as palmar said this would be different from near every game where people act like retards and make the game unenjoyable. It so far has not been and has had worse overall play than in AC where i facepalmed as a host at both town and mafia near consistently. Players opting to just not play a game that no one cares about anyway is clearly logical and even if you say it continues the problem you mention in a game that had heavy invites with very little people let to sign up means players should not be herp derping period as that continues apathy far more than players just opting to say fuck it and do other things. | ||
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On March 03 2012 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Because you signed up to play BC. I'm sorry the standard of play hasn't been to your liking. Seriously, I'm sorry we've disappointed you on the whole. But that does NOT excuse apathy. Seriously, it doesn't. Get replaced if you can't take the idiocy. Even if it results in a ban, you sound like that doesn't even matter to you. I'd rather have someone in here actually trying than someone in here constantly bitching about how stupid everyone is and how they shouldn't have signed up in the first place. Apathy isn't a valid replacement reason nor is what I feel as bad play or a bunch of trolls reason either. Essentially once the bad play began I had no choice but to stay. Do you understand what I mean? Out of how many people in this game how many have you read posts from and gone "wow that guy is being logical and intelligent, he might be wrong but at least hes trying" I have seen that from only a few people this game. In the case of yourself that was not what I was expecting and was very surprised and very happy to see. However players who (much like myself) had the expectations of far more did near nothing but troll or basically say fuck this game im out. The only game I have ever seriously tried as town in this atmosphere was not fun to play. It was not fun for me, it was not fun for mafia, it was not fun for anyone else in the town. Why would I push myself to play a game to the level required to attempt to counterbalance the wtfness of a game when all it might net me in the end is a win in a game that I no longer enjoyed nor anyone else did purely because I wanted to win. If there is no joy in doing so there is no point in actually doing it. | ||
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On March 03 2012 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Also, I'm not widely regarded as horrible am I? Dramatic I'd believe...but horrible? You're reads much like drH's are known to be suspect based on how easily you guys tend to have your opinions swayed by others. | ||
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On March 03 2012 12:11 kitaman27 wrote: lol don't let yourself get worked up VE, they are clutching at straws. BC comes to make his largest post of the thread, explaining how I'm scum because I just led the lynch against the only red flip the entire game. Funny out of all the players who voted today, both BC and bugs decide I'm the one coming out looking the worst. RoL was on his scum list the entire game and toad he never commented on, yet when it came down to voting, he was on the wrong side, even after my green check. So? I was one of the first people in the game to ever add pressure to him thus putting him in the spotlight ultimately that got him lynched. This does in no way confirm my alignment. Pushing a lynch on a player behaving as RoL was does not make you town either. You have a super pro town role that based on actions in thread was no used in said fashion, and you have, much like myself, cared near 0 for the outcome of this game overall. Do either of these things make you scum? Not necessarily however they don't make you town either. I am saying that the timing of your claim + the overall lack of townlike use of it + being so inactive are things that do make you suspect. You essentially claimed a role to divert a lynch to your selection with no actual proof aside from one post that could mean a breadcrumb to your role or not. You play this game has been less than stellar and overall based on your attitude the sudden return to thread and become a near confirmed townie in 1 day is staggering. Look at yourself in the mirror based on all you have done and realize why I would suspect you at all. I am no outright saying "kita is scum" I am however saying the possibility is there given your play up till this day. Do you not think that is basically logical way to look at it? | ||
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On March 04 2012 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: If I die, don't throw things away. Don't fall for an appeal to emotion or fear mongering. I wouldn't be surprised if the scum team comes up with some sort of convenient role claim tomorrow to somehow prove they are town or prove that another player must be scum. Even if the scum team were to use a kp on themselves, I probably wouldn't buy it. Here are the facts: bugs claimed to be a weak doctor protecting me. As he lived, he would know 100% that I am town. I roleclaimed to him in the thread informing that toad was green. In response, he refused to move his vote despite the role claim. He tried to argue that the player he admitted couldn't be scum was lying to him. Upon RoL's flip, he comes up with some conspiracy story how he was roleblocked and came to the conclusion that I must be scum, not the people who were refusing to kill RoL. He claims to be a weak doctor, but never breadcrumbs his role. Knowing that he could flip weak doctor, he tells us to kill DrH upon death, not his target syllo. He scum slipped in the quicktopic, revealing that mafia only had 1 kp on night one. He clearly states that he thinks RoL is scum, yet refuses to vote for him even after the green check. BC has been pushing mislynch after mislynch jumping on bandwagons for really weak reasons. After saying he would be willing to vote RoL yesterday, he refuses at LYLO. Look at the day one events how all his scumbuddies had to vote together to save him. That is why red's flip was masked. I expect he will put more effort into the game now to defend himself, than to actually hunt for scum the previous 4 days. Save Layabout for last. Remember that the qt partners can be guessed or that a mafia could pass along the correct pairing. I have a green check on cwave. He is confirmed town. You do realize I have yet to push a lynch? The only one you could say I pushed was prpl as I was the first person to vote for him, however I never "pushed" his lynch as in I was not the one heavily trying to get him lynched. I did not push the redff lynch, although I did join it as his play was terrible. I was on the bh lynch and again because he screamed scum. I however have not orchestrated these lynches, nor was I pushing mislynch after mislynch. You are using the wrong choice of words. I was on mislynches, you were on 1 yourself, claimed your #1 scum read in the thread was someone you made a case on then didn't vote for. (prpl). As for actually scum hunting? You have yet to scum hunt correctly as RoL is someone no single player can take credit of. How many people called him out for his behaviour? Any mafia would want him dead as he would be dead weight at this point in time, and any town would want him dead. You make some comment about wbg never crumbing his role, guess what, you "crumbed" once and then opted to never do so thereafter. You also only released your check on a player who had already died and flipped green which is far to convenient. As for your argument upon if i was scum and it required my entire team to save me, what would it matter if mafia could hide a flip? Town would be in the same place day 1 as my alignment would never have been revealed. However, the case could have been exactly as some of us analyzed where redff was actually mafia and mafia chose to hide his flip to keep town confused. I am town so it would make sense to cover my flip as well to keep town guessing. You cannot make an alignment based decision around the case of "well the only reason x was covered was to keep x alive" That is wifom. Why do you make such flimsy arguments against me? Your behaviour this game is as bad as mine is. I am not saying "everyone believe me I am town" because honestly based on my play there is not reason to unless I step it up, however you are guilty of the same shit if not worse. Hell, you were so certain based on your voting pattern that RoL was scum but you never once confirmed this with your power, you believe myself to be mafia but for all you have claimed in thread you have not checked me. It stands to reason using very simple logic that you would be (if town) willing to trade yourself to confirm one of the more well respected players as either red or town. If you confirmed someone in thread as town mafia is then forced into a situation in how to deal with the claims / confirmation. If you ever flipped you're flip would be all the proof required. Instead you have claimed a check on jackal, toad, and cwave. Why would anyone with the power to take out one of the best mafia players / confirm a solid town player opt to choose for a player who is lurking like cwave or acting erratically like toad? Why is it that if you were so sure of you're own reads that you didn't confirm a new player last night or get a mafia killed for sure? Also with the fact that cwave and jitsu at this moment in time don't have a pm from palmar saying they are mason'd then it seems there is most likely a roleblocker in this game. Yet you discount that you could have ever been roleblocked and thus all your checks are 100% accurate. You say that wbg is scummy since he used his power on ve when he could have died and then mafia would have killed bugs + used 2kp? How do you know for a fact they have 2 kp? I saw 0 deaths last night, 0 deaths night 1, 2 night 2, and 1 night 3. How do you know their full kp if no one else does? You talk about the poisoner before the poisoner flipped, you talked about a roleblocker before it was essentially outted in thread (well before), you then discount that roleblocker would ever target you. You then use your role in a very wtf manner given how good it is. You display far more knowledge than you should in this setup, you talk about roles that were not confirmed and talk in absolutes in regards to mafia kp and the like yet ignore the lack of kills to support your claims. Based on all this the only conclusion I can come to is that you are not town. If you can somehow refute this and change my mind then I will be likely to believe you but as things stand now I cannot. | ||
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On March 04 2012 09:12 kitaman27 wrote: Because I chose to check jackal instead. Then explain toad? Explain cwave of all people? You are obviously picking people who have a less likely chance of being shot who overall have very little impact on the game at hand in a pro town manner. Jackal? He flipped town and was acting scummy. Toad? he has been pushing people and has been wrong more than right given that he was on bad lynches as well as many others. Cwave? Replaced an inactive player only to be inactive himself. None of your checks actually bare any relevance on the game. You aren't attempting to catch reds given that you only "breadcrumbed" one check and have since just claimed to have cleared someone. As scum you can easily clear townies / clear your own team just as easily. Given that you also didn't want people to use their powers last night also screams anti town. Why? Because you are actively telling people who could potentially out you as what you are to not do so to keep yourself under cover. You do realize that isn't something that makes you pro-town right? It's day five and you have yet to push a lynch. Even in this post, you are more interested in defending yourself than suggesting who we should target moving forward. I have actually been defending and analyzing people. I have yet to heavy heavy push people. However given that you only pushed a lynch near everyone wanted and aside from that never have you are again as guilty as I am. You can keep pointing your finger at me but you are guilty of the same behaviour and thus in the same boat. The difference is you presume to believe otherwise. Then why were you and bugs so dedicated to keep him alive? If everyone wanted him dead, why did you refuse to vote for him? Instead, you're voting for a player who you have never commented over the player you indicated you found as scum. Simple. With very very very little kick back from a lynch the lynch will near always hit a townie. Given that it was potentially a mylo situation why would I opt for the "easy" lynch when instead vote to get someone I feel has a higher chance of flipping red die? I voted for a player I believe to be playing actively against the towns best interest. RoL where being inactive and unhelpful was not near as damaging as a player who was active and actively cluttering the game with useless posts. I released my check before he died. It was only safe once to crumb because from then on I was open to roleblock. Yes, I could have been roleblocked on day one, but the risk/reward made it worth it. I've revealed my green check on cwave last night. You assume there is a roleblocker. You assume that if you only crumbed the once that you would never be roleblocked after that if there is a roleblocker. The chances of you being roleblocked at any given time were still possible yet you treat all your "checks" as if they were auto confirmed. They are in fact not. If mafia has a roleblocker you could have been roleblocked. If a medic protected you it stands to reason that if you checked a red you would not die? If that is false then you would have to clarify. However it is possible night actions kept you alive when your check actually hit a red. You do not talk about this, instead act as if your checks were 100%. This is just not true lol You should laugh, being in the same boat as me when i play badly is never fun Checking RoL would have resulted in my death. There is little reason for me to sacrifice myself, when I can get him lynched during the day. Why would I check a scum suspect? I am looking to confirm town players, not kill myself off. I don't need to check you to confirm you as mafia. You did not know checking him would have resulted in your death unless you knew this BEFORE HIS LYNCH. Instead you could "assume checking him would have resulted in my death". However again you did not check players who were "scummy" yet had a high % chance of flipping town. You opted for people who would be unlikely to get shot. As for looking to confirm town? Near every dt starts by confirming decent players or damning them. You have not done this. Until the potential mylo stage where you were herp derping around your life to get a top level mafia player insta killed would have been worth the trade as instead of multiple misslynches a mafia would have died early. Your point is invalid. That's not a serious question right? If I checked a player and died it would have been 3v3 if hits went through. You would have liked that, wouldn't you. Except you are not saying why you would not have checked a better player the two nights previous. Why on n2 did you not go "hmm i see x y and z are all big names and if town would be helpful and if mafia would die instantly and thus put town in a better spot" Lynching 1 mafia earlier in the game would have kept town from this retarded spot we are currently in. You had this power yet did not do so, why? Why would you wait till the worst possible situation for town to be in to walk in and begin "confirming" people with your power. It's really annoying to have to deal with confirmed townies isn't it. Your scumbuddy bugs is saying that he got roleblocked when protecting me as a weak doctor. Can't have it both ways. I am merely pointing out that you don't talk about the possibility. If you keep pointing out how mafia roles could be intereacting with other peoples powers you should be doing the exact same thing in your own posts. Why? Transparency. Town has no reason to not be transparent yet you are trudging along like you are confirmed town. There is actually no way to confirm anything you have said thus far except in death. You and I both know this yet you don't mention it. By not mentioning the actual facts here you are hiding information from the town and thus showing you are playing only for yourself. Lets not play dumb. Are you saying you can't look at the setup and say scum has at least 1kp + RoL's poison from last night? You talked about their KP as if it was a static # not a variable one. You also were doing this before RoL flipped. Don't use information garnered via a death to confirm previous statements before said death. Also, speaking in absolutes implies you had information before it was revealed which again is something a townie would not know. Yep confirming the player that was about to get lynched at lylo is an extremely wtf manner of use. You had no way of knowing who was going to get lynched. You also held onto that check when he was receiving heat for days about it. Why did you not claim before DrH got gunned down by a town vig to stop the train there? You had many opportunities to "clear" said player well before the lylo stage given that at this point in time you had 4 checks available to use and instead have only claimed 3? You had that check by reason on toad beginning of day 3 and instead sat back and waited. Seems pretty sketch to me I don't need to refuse this. My actions and yours already have. Your actions are actually the reasons for my posts. Thus yes you do have to refute this. Aside from pushing a lynch that was not actually your own you have been playing as terribly as I have. Anyone who actually goes through your posts and reads them would actually understand this. You just happen to be lucky that town likes to auto believe claimers. The biggest question left to town today is if bugs or BC has the better mafia role to get rid of. responses are in bold | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 06 2012 04:44 Jitsu wrote: But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum. [QUOTE] If me, Tyrrann, and Cwave are all scum, then why do we all vote RoL yesterday? If all the town players are on the mislynch and all the scum players are on the legit lynch, then why isn't the game over? You're looking for conspiracy theories instead of looking at logic. You shouldn't have to go with your gut, there is more than enough evidance supporting the fact that wherebugsgo is scum. I'll respond to BC at 4pm Est, but I have to go to a talk right now.[/QUOTE] thats wifom. Mafia would have every reason to off RoL yesterday just as town would have reasons. -_- Seriously dude you know this. | ||
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On March 06 2012 05:33 Jitsu wrote: @Kita? yea. i was responding to kita | ||
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On March 06 2012 06:32 kitaman27 wrote: BC, feel free to make a statement about bugs within the next 30 minutes. I'd like to hear your opinion regarding why you think he is town since you have somehow managed to dodge the question the entire cycle. I haven't made a case for or against him the entire day. IMO he could flip either town or mafia, my issue atm is a player who has been actively anti town who randomly appears when the game is down to the wire to start pushing lynches. There would be no reason for you to wait for so long into the game to do what you are doing. Why would I make a case for or against him when near no one is pushing back about it? Why has near no one discussed tons of things this agme is baffling | ||
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If redff turned out to be town then that would be 4 claimers. That would end up being a total of 8 blue roles by my count? vs having 4 mafia? Seems to me that there are multiple fake claimers -_- | ||
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On March 06 2012 06:50 kitaman27 wrote: Well he is today's lynch target. Strange you don't have an opinion about him. Seems kinda relevant. You referring to yourself? :p Actually referring to you | ||
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On March 06 2012 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: Additionally, I wasn't informed what would happen if I was third party which means there likely isn't one in this game. If you notice in my post about jackal, I mentioned he was "non-scum" referring to the fact he could be black. In that same regard, then both of your previous checks could be a potential third party as well yet you are calling them confirmed town -_- The more you talk about your role and how much you left out of your posts is astounding. | ||
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On March 06 2012 22:07 Toadesstern wrote: how do you know that? Do you have more information than I do? On a more serious note: BC next no matter what or laya if his calls are bullshit? Yeah either Laya or Tyrran are probably going to be roleblocked anyways but that gives our medic another chance to engage hero mode. Of course that medic only exists if mafia shot yesterday and did not decide to try and save wbg. Because he is not playing with the same information that you do, there is only one possible explanation for that -_- To give everyone a bit of food for thought here. Assume that redff was a misslynch (as everyone already seems to) and he claimed tracker. He had no reason to lie so lets assume its legit for a second. Blazinghand was a floridian Syllogism was an alchemeist DrH was the forensic expert Dirkzor was the suicide bomber We know that there exists a role called operator or phone operator that masons two people daily. That currently is 6 blue roles. We have 2 people claiming operator, and we have two people claiming kita as coward and toad as avenger. That would make 8 blue roles for town vs 4 mafia who at this point provided the day 1 flip was mafia covered 4 roles. Given that most of the flipped roles were day acting powers (which makes the roleblocker very near useless) it seems unlikely that we have more than 6 roles. Now, everyone will be like "stop spouting nonsense, or shut up scum" or the like. But seriously think this through. Toad claimed a role that conveniently missed. Kita claimed a role that doesn't make sense given the name he claimed of his role. He claimed a role only at mylo (he had his check earlier). Yet both these players are viewed as confirmed. Neither can prove what they say is true and it is pure belief from everyone that they are. Do any of you now see why I view roleclaimers as instantly suspect? There is a reason that the personality role linked to me is shooting roleclaimers. Of toad and kita, I believe both to be lying as that would make more town blue roles than town green roles and it would be double the amount of mafia which also seems unlikely. As such of the two of them one may be actually real. I strongly doubt this but it is possible. As such I strongly believe that there is a red between kita and toad, and a red between layabout and tyrran. | ||
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Given that no one has even blinked an eye at the fact we currently have more people claiming blue roles / have flipped blue roles of not only mafia, but also vanilla town. The scum/third party has just won this game. GG to kita as I believe that person is you based on behaviour / your obviously fucked up claim. Cowards would never investigate people. | ||
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On March 12 2012 04:22 kitaman27 wrote: yes, the lion would not even visit someone else, he would run and hide in fear. The only luck you have is people making retarded comments of "he is helping town so even if he is something like third party hes pro town" when in near every game anti town is just anti town. Regardless good game bro, town loses. | ||
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On March 12 2012 04:34 kitaman27 wrote: I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. Didn't you notice the storm? I did notice your kill of toad but thats about it yo | ||
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I apologize to my team for being selfish and not helping as much as I should have but I already explained my reasons to them. Bugs at least understands, and I believe layabout does as well. Let me be clear though. VE winning was the single best outcome of this game as neither the mafia team nor town played well. VE did fairly well the entire game while getting incredibly lucky in a few spots. Props to you again. The townies who did well, and by well I mean were logical, didnt spam, tried to keep town focus'd etc..., you know who you are and good job putting up with what you did. The rest of you who even if your "reads" were right but for the wrong reasons or said some of the most retarded things that got you lynched, played scummier than the reds, etc.... Please sit back and seriously think about your play while you play your next game. You guys have to follow basic logic and make coherent arguments or you just appear horrific. Kita although town claimed an outright lie in thread and I am pretty sure the only people who caught it in the game were scum and VE. Anyone who says lynching an sk is a bad move as the sk is playing pro town? You are retarded. Sk's are pro sk. They will help either side as needed to achieve their own win condition. Do not rely on them. When it hit 6v4 it was actually 5v4v1 and town could no longer win. It ended up being a game of determining if scum or sk won, the game should never reach that point so fast. | ||
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On March 13 2012 11:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do I count in the latter half then? I feel like I started out really well and then as usual lost my confidence and threw it all away. Props to VE though, I'm pretty pissed about this game overall It's so frustrating to look back and see how right I was about BC RoL and WBG and then let myself get distracted by them and do the easy mislynches No you were following basic logic. If I were town I would have voted redff, blazinghand and one of prpl or ve. I would have heavily pushed RoL far more and potentially gone after him instead of prpl or ve but day 1 and 2 redff and bh were clearly the two most "scumlike" players in the game. The entire scumteam up until the last 4 lynches actually looked better overall than a ton of the town. Lynching a townie based on solid logic + good plays does not mean your bad, it means that player was bad. Town has no reason to appear like a mafia. You just need more confidence in yourself | ||
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On March 13 2012 11:26 Toadesstern wrote: It was not about not lynching the sk, we just had no oppertunity to lynch him. We had a bunch of 100% confirmed mafias and we were in lylo. Yeah we were no longer able to win without a save but given that we needed a save lynching mafias first is the right thing because it gives us multiple nights to get that save while lynching the third party first is risky. I'm perfectly fine with telling people to not think about a "pro-town" 3rd party when we're at lylo as long as there's still mafia alive. We had 2 townies that were INCREDIBLE hard to get on the right lynch and I did not want to lose them to some manipulation from someone else and have people talking about alternatives when we really needed to hit mafia or it's an insta-lose. There was no way to win without protection. To get more chances to get that we obviously take the saver route and lynch mafia first. It's a closed set-up after all and noone knew about mafias abilities. Yeah it's a stupid thing to say a SK is "pro-town" but it got people lynching mafia which was needed. let me repeat, we did not have 100% confirmed mafia. Based on my general apathy I could have easily been town as I would have been as uncaring this game as town. You can say im bsing that but I repeatedly stated I was not going to play another pyp3 as it was not enjoyable in any shape or form and was far more frustrating than it was worth. Also, when you start flipping mafia and near everyone of them is telling you there is an sk? Guess what, it could be a ruse but more than likely THEY ARE TELLING TOWN THERE IS AN SK. The only reason a 4th misslynch didn't happen was people auto buy roleclaims. You claimed a role you could not prove except in death based on when you claimed it. Kita claimed a role that was obviously fake. Had he worded his claim slightly more carefully and not called himself a dt we almost certaintly would have outed someone else as the sk. Lynching RoL, and bugs were both smart lynches. The moment that tyrran flipped town should have instantly realized there was an sk. Why? Because we would never shoot a player that had a fraction of a possibility of being lynched over a mafia. No one discussed this and instead continued to lynch through the mafia suspects. I am not saying mafia played well as we didn't. But town played for the most part excusing very few players horrifically. | ||
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On March 13 2012 11:35 VisceraEyes wrote: That means a lot coming from you two in particular, thanks. I told Palmar in PMs at the end of N5(?) that even if I don't win, I still win - it's not every game that I get hit N1 for my reads. Obviously I was under the impression that I was hit on N1, but I was RB'd all game for them so that's kinda the same thing. Luckily I'm widely regarded as being horrible, so killing me wasn't necessary. We should have roleblocked + killed you. Basically you claimed to have a gun day 1 which led us to roleblock you. We then knew syllo or kita were the two best non scum players in the game and factored in that based on play day 1 syllo was more likely to get protection (lul he was the medic) so we opted to shoot kita. Bad luck that he was a hider. Most of our shots were actually thought out for decent reasons, we just had horrific luck. Knowing a confirmed alchemist gave kita a potion day 1 led us to shooting at him again for instance. Still you did well. I commented that you were doing well early on into the game and that still held true through it all. I am glad to see you have tried hard to improve and have done so. | ||
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On March 13 2012 11:52 Toadesstern wrote: Well I said wbg, RoL and Laya are all like 99% confirmed mafia to me and you (BC) are something like 90% for me. When should we have lynched the sk instead? Cwave wasn't even sure who might be the sk the last possible day. You think lynching a day earlier to try and hit the sk instead of the mafia would have been better? That way people at least still got a full 48hours of reads because people finally started to talk, although it did not help. Trying to hit the SK instead of mafia would have been stupid. It would have been more risky, it would take away time to better judge the situation for people and after all it was a closed setup. Yeah it really looked like we got a third party but what if that (although reasonable) assumption would have been wrong? We would have lynched into a townie 100% making us lose. There was not a single reason to try and hit someone else first. You should never have had townies like prpl, redff, and blazing play worse games than any of the scum. We did near fuck all and appeared more town than they did. One or two bad players whatever. But seriously toad, aside from sheep other people you helped keep the thread so cluttered that analyzing people was insanely hard + created an atmosphere that made the game hard to read/keep motivated to play. I know you love this game, and I love seeing that passion. I love that you are trying to get better and I see that. But you need to slow down your posting, take a step back and seriously think things through. The same can be said of a few other players this game but you lived longer. Your claim was bad only in that you could never prove it. You auto confirmed kita as town when up till the point of his claim he had played as badly as I had for very similar reasons. Yet he was confirmed for a lynch that (although we didnt) mafia would easily have pushed. The complete ignoring of basic logical conclusions in a game of manipulation astounds me on so many levels. There is way to much blind trust. BH claimed people were like "hes legit" but his play was bad enough to get him lynched around his claim point Redff claimed and people said "hes obviously town" no he wasnt. Claiming does not mean you are town, ever, unless your role auto confirms you -_- | ||
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On March 13 2012 13:05 Toadesstern wrote: I guess kita asking for a mass-claim was the one thing that made him think kita is the SK? IT could be interpreted like he wanted to have that information for "somthing" but him being a SK made little sense given the situation. kita lied about his role is also a huge one | ||
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