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On February 28 2012 11:03 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, DrH, you never responded to my question earlier. What triggered you to move to blazing over RoL yesterday? Do you believe "giving up" is a town RoL response? Thought BH was scummier and lost confidence in my read once I started second-guessing myself mostly based on RoL's personality and remembering how things were with youngminii when we played together. I figured RoL, being more inactive, is better left to vigilantes since a bandwagon on an inactive player doesn't move discussion You think there is a vigilante after RoL or chaoser wasn't shot last night? Do you think he would be a better lynch tomorrow if he lives another night? I'm really not sure what we gain by keeping a likely scum player alive. On that note, I've been tricked into putting off my hw yet again. bbl
Dunno, could have hit a vet or a medic blocked player or a mafia vet or a mafia medic or something, or no vig, or a day vig, it's a closed setup.
I think inactive/lurky players should be lynched once the vocal scum suspects are gone. They are the lower priority imo
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On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" ![[image loading]](http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5258/5509611799_82aa328735.jpg)
i shouldn't have to explain why that is completely irrelevant because you don't even know if you get shot or saved what does that have to do with anything
it proves nothing that VE isn't bandwagoning you, why would he abandon his case from Day 2 for an easy lynch you're aware that there is more than 1 person that is scum and they will all act differently and probably vote in different ways right they're not all just going to pile on you
im pretty sure im the only person voting you right now too so it's not like this is some super easy bandwagon they can all go under and VE has been pushing WBG for a while now.
i see absolutely no logic whatsoever in how this would ever even take an inch of suspicion off of VE in a hundred million years much less how it would CONFIRM and PROVE he is town to you or anybody
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More disturbing is that instead of defending himself well or making a case at all Toades is spending his time defending VE based on the assumption that he himself is town and isn't even using this to push WBG or me as scum at all
His defense is completely illogical and not only based on WIFOM but not even WIFOM that I can understand or agree with in any case. The "why didn't RoL get vig'd" argument is better than this and that's still totally inconclusive.
I understand that Toades will say he is town regardless of his alignment but it's not convincing to anyone, certainly not enough to clear VE. If you think VE is so innocent and good enough to put this much effort into defending him wouldn't you be better off just pushing your own wagon and trying to convince people to vote with you?
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On February 28 2012 11:59 prplhz wrote:Meh. I don't really want to lynch into VisceraEyes/wherebugsgo because they're both reasonably active but if I have to then I'll lynch wherebugsgo. I think there's something off about him. Just his "All the three people accusing me of being scum in this thread are scum.". That's fucking insane. I'd much rather lynch into those people who are abusing the activity requirements. I mean, write a fucking post. I don't agree at all with DoctorHelvetica's "lets leave low-activity people for later". Everybody here has a page or two of posts and that should be enough that we can get a read on them. I think we could lynch chaoser and there seems to be consensus about that among all the people present right now. Here's his filter. He hasn't said a thing for two days now and he doesn't seem to care much about the game with the "When's deadline?" and seems to be faking activity with "I'll do votecounts myself.". He was only reasonably active during day1 but since then he doesn't seem to care about the game (that's gone way off track).
Enough for a read, but I'd rather lynch an active suspect than an inactive one because they will respond to the pressure and the discussion will move forward. More talking = good for town because it exposes scum.
Never said inactive people are totally inconclusive or should never be lynched.
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On February 28 2012 11:18 Jitsu wrote:
Doc, are you quite certain that if Toades is killed, Dirk isn't mafia? And visa verse?
I think it's feasible that both players flipped red this game.
Toad has been scummy for the larger part of the game - half the shit he's doing doesn't see town driven to me. I keep going back to the one post he made trying to totally absolve himself of Blazinghand flipping town. That shit is not town driven. At all. And if it is town driven, it's flawed at that.
You vote because you think someone is scum. Not because you want to train with the rest of the town and cross you're fingers that he's now telling the truth. I thought he fake-claimed. In fact, I was pretty sure it was a fake-claim. I'll own it. I fucked up on reading him as scum. Toad wants to take no blame for it though.
Also, where the shit has Cwave gone. Replaces Risk.nuke. Posts once. Gone.
I see no reason to believe that Dirk and Toades can't be together on a scumteam
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Why are you assuming he's pushing WBG to "save" you?
You're sooooooooooo implicitly guilty
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He didn't act like this at all in AC I don't recall him ever talking about WIFOM shit or trying to figure out how people would act based on alignment. Palmar claimed Toades' role and acted bonkers and Toades did nothing about it. Right now he's obsessed with totally inconclusive meta/wifom shit and is acting like a paranoid scum who can't stand the 1 vote on him. He's acting like the whole town is bandwagoning on him right now and instead he's defending VE and not pushing anyone as scum? What the fuck is this, lynch Toadesstern
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Why would a scum VE push you if you're also scum?
Why would a scum VE abandon the case he established on Day 2 and push you instead, if you're town? You're assuming that EVERY scum in the game MUST bandwagon you if you're town, why the fuck are you so special? Yes, it's an easy bandwagon. That doesn't lead us to a single thing except worthless speculation.
I'm not assuming WBG is town either btw
You've done a good job of diverting the conversation into something totally useless. Unless anyone else in the game is dumb enough to think you're making a point I'm going to ignore this line of conversation now.
Have any interest in establishing why YOU are innocent or why we should lynch someone other than you or VE and who that is? Your whole play right not will accomplish nothing except maybe:
1. Setting yourself up to get bussed and then buddies push a town-VE lynch Day 3
2. Preventing VE from getting lynched. By the way, VE never "defended" you literally all he did was make a case on somebody other than you.
3. Creates useless confusing conversation in town, distracts from lurkers etc.
Hey, by Toades' logic, all you have to do to be 100% proven confirmed town is to push a lynch OTHER than Toadesstern. This proves you are townie, so everyone go ahead and confirm themselves so we can find all the scum!
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On February 28 2012 12:26 Toadesstern wrote:
Again it's not about VE's alignment. In every single Explanation wbg could come up with I am mafia and VE is either mafia or Town.
He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"?
THEN WHAT IS IT ABOUT BECAUSE ALL YOU'RE SAYING IS VE IS 100% TOWN BECAUSE IF HE WERE SCUM HE WOULD VOTE FOR YOU WHICH IS FUCKING DUMB
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On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He didn't act like this at all in AC I don't recall him ever talking about WIFOM shit or trying to figure out how people would act based on alignment. Palmar claimed Toades' role and acted bonkers and Toades did nothing about it. Right now he's obsessed with totally inconclusive meta/wifom shit and is acting like a paranoid scum who can't stand the 1 vote on him. He's acting like the whole town is bandwagoning on him right now and instead he's defending VE and not pushing anyone as scum? What the fuck is this, lynch Toadesstern I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive.
Yeah but he ignored that. Toades acted really confidently during that section, he made some mistakes but nothing really comparable to what is happening now other than the fact that it is confusing and that was more Palmar's fault than Toades
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"WBG has to think I am mafia if he really thinks I am town."
what the fuck are you talking about i have no idea when wbg even entered the equation because a few pages ago you were saying VE is confirmed by not voting for you
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does it have something to do with WBG saying he thinks 3 people are scum and you reading into it and putting meaning that doesn't exist in between the lines of that
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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why would he "think" you are mafia if he is mafia what the fuck even is your point you make no sense
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this has reached such astronomically high levels of stupid that i might have a heart attack
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I understand what you are saying it's just a very wrong and dumb thing to say
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On February 28 2012 13:09 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I had to guess right now I'd say the scum team is between these 5:
Toades/Dirk
BC
VE
RoL
I think it's gonna be 4 of these players. Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
I guess it's possible that the entire scum team is something like you, prpl, RoL, and VE. In fact I wouldn't be shocked
Weird seeing you guys list 4 person scum teams considering red's flip was hidden.
A no-flip is inconclusive, it would be bad to operate under the assumption that there are only 3 mafia left, are you saying that's the case???
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Are you the one who called me?
I got into what I can only assume is a mason QT but nobody responded in it and I have no idea who invited me or how it works
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If syllo healed Kita why does that confirm him?
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why did someone mason me and then say nothing
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