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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 28 2012 07:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: K man, if you guys really want to lynch me go ahead. I'm not arguing a stupid uphill battle anymore against the dumbass town and scumteam when I have school work to do among other things. If you think killing me will help then win then glhf sounds like you shouldn't have even joined this game | ||
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if WBG was scum looking to kill RedFF (and had prior knowledge of the noflip) why would he pussyfoot around it when his scum meta is super confident?? | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote: DoctorHelvetica falling back on meta? Say it isn't so Doc. I don't know why - maybe he's aware of his 'super-confident' meta and wanted to subvert it? Maybe he thought redFF was the very best mislynch possible and didn't want to spook townies by building a wagon too fast? There are a lot of factors coming into play as scum - take your pick as to why he wouldn't "follow his scum-meta". I don't think it's scummy to not make first analysis or anything like that. I've hardly been pushing my reads either. WBG is pretty high on my list of people I think are scummy in this game but your analysis is bad and coupled with your play earlier in the game I'm inclined to think it's more likely that you're scum. I'm going to reread WBG's filter later but I really think we should lynch Toades today. You agree that it's scummy to vote based on town perception right? A main point in your analysis is WBG asking syllo for his opinion before pushing his case, thus implying WBG is more concerned about how town will view his opinions rather than his own instincts. Toades publically announced his reluctance to vote for BH based on nothing except for how town might view the vote. Nobody at the time was very concerned with Toadesstern and if BH flipped town I would have immediately rechecked BC and Dirkzor but not Toadesstern. The fact that he was so concerned with how town viewed him and also the fact that he was trivial in the BH lynch/case but yet saw himself as important enough to warrant a town reaction is the kind of implicit guilt and fear that mafia reek of. If you are town and you really suspect WBG is scum keep pressuring him and I'll see what happens, but for now Toades is the best lynch. RoL is uninterested in the game and should just be shot at night, I'd rather not waste a lynch on someone who isn't pressured by it and is too immature to play a game in which some people are suspicious of him | ||
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On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it?  However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:29 wherebugsgo wrote: also I had a very good reason for not voting RoL yesterday; one that should be apparent for anyone who is closely reading my posts. However, since the number of people who are closely reading my posts is either 0 or 1, I'll probably just have to say it at some point. cause RoL isn't scum and scum are keeping him alive cause it's the easy lynch right BC/Dirkzor/Toadesstern/VE imo | ||
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Here's how scum play often works: Scum 1: I need to push a bandwagon today so X doesn't get lynched Scum 2: WBG has been pretty spammy, changed his mind a lot, etc. he might be an easy candidate Scum 1: Hm, ok I'll make a post about it I'm still reading all the posts here but it seems like VE is criticizing WBG for buddying? On February 22 2012 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: DocH I'm intrigued by your ideas and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Also this: On February 22 2012 16:42 VisceraEyes wrote: That was dangerously close to role-fishing syllo - the existance of one town-tracker doesn't preclude a second town-tracker. Am I missing something? "Role fishing" imo is one of those things that scum accuses other townies of doing it's supposed to be "Scummy" but in 5 or 6 games as scum I have never really done it or known any teammates to do it either, except in PM games where it's pretty easy and often town roles have a lot of incentive to rolefish On February 22 2012 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote: And BC is your strongest read right now Syllo? Like, without question? Did you ever get around to looking at the whole WBG/chaoser thing sir? I feel like that exchange means something. chaoser's defense was solid, but I didn't mind WBG's attack either. However, chaoser still seems to be interested in finding scum, while WBG has only recently been calling red scum...he's been tunneled in on chaoser ever since that argument. I'm starting to get a red read on WBG. Is this really that different than what WBG did? | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote: no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation. The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all | ||
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I, personally, am a huge fan of early bussing or tunneling my teammates as scum | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:54 Toadesstern wrote: why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me? What if you and WBG are both town? VE had been pushing WBG since Day 2, it would be weird for him to change his tune suddenly especially when he's in line with what me and Toadesstern are talkng about when he's been opposed to both of us since the last day. you're full of empty scumtells | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:55 prplhz wrote: @DoctorHelvetica This isn't another dumb ploy where you're shifting your vote from player X to player Y to pressure them and then switching back to player X because that's who you actually thought was scum all the time? Because that's pretty shabby to do mere hours before deadline. Do you actually have a scum read on anybody here or are you just going to make 50 cases and then never do anything about it? I don't see why syllogism was fine with wherebugsgo and why he didn't see how any townie would want to lynch DoctorHelvetica. They're both quite good at this game, they're both quite active, they're both surprisingly full of shit. I changed my mind, if you can tell me why that's scummy I'll make a video of me eating soap BC didn't impress me Day 2 and I think he's probably scum but I feel very very secure in Toades. I'm well known for second guessing myself and changing votes often. Radfield and jayjay concocted this to be the lynchpin of a fake case on me and to throw suspicion on me in Arkham City, because it is very normal in my town meta but easy to call scummy too I thought RoL was scum Day 2, I changed my vote when BH became more suspicious to me I thought BC was scum Day 1 and still do, I changed my vote because I was equally sure about RedFF and thought Day 2 would give me a better idea about BC's alignment I've only done one fake thing in this entire game and no one really caught onto it like I was hoping so it doesn't matter | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: Also, DrH, you never responded to my question earlier. What triggered you to move to blazing over RoL yesterday? Do you believe "giving up" is a town RoL response? Thought BH was scummier and lost confidence in my read once I started second-guessing myself mostly based on RoL's personality and remembering how things were with youngminii when we played together. I figured RoL, being more inactive, is better left to vigilantes since a bandwagon on an inactive player doesn't move discussion | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:57 wherebugsgo wrote: agreed. However, I don't care atm because it's a waste of time. Do you think RoL is mafia? prpl? VE? I assume since you still have your vote on Toad you still think he is scum. If I had to guess right now I'd say the scum team is between these 5: Toades/Dirk BC VE RoL I think it's gonna be 4 of these players. I feel uncomfortable about you and I feel uncomfortable about Kitaman, risk.nuke, and Jitsu but I need to read more on that. I think our DT's should check inactive players. As far as RoL, he definitely has the personality type to react this way even as town, unfortunately. I don't like lynching people like this because I'm so bad with second guessing myself. I really don't like rolling town at all. | ||
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