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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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confident when you think you might be going somewhere and you back down instantly under any pressure "I think you're scum " then you unvote? What the hell are you doing? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 24 2012 14:06 prplhz wrote: wow i'm not terrible all the time i .. i don't know what to say... i need a moment .. tearing up here Anyway, can you tell me why BloodyC0bbler hasn't been playing like scum? I'm just curious here because I think he has but I'm pretty sure you have a better read on him than I do. Like, just some main points, doesn't have to be a huge case. Help a noob out. Why don't you say why he is instead of worrying so much about what other people think. Are you afraid of something? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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I never even read Doctor H's case on you, because quite honestly I stopped paying attention to Dr. H after I stopped pressuring him at the end of the night phase. I'm not very sure on his alignment and many of the things he said recently (particularly what he pointed out about RoL's stance on BC and his agreement with me about VE) make sense. Doesn't this imply the opposite? I don't like that you brought up LotR mafia either. That isn't any good reason to say I'm 100% scum if you die. Especially if we are both town, scum now has a higher incentive to hit you just to push my lynch. You tunneled me pretty hard in that game if i recall barely since I quit after the first Day. ________________ I'll likely be voting for VE or RoL this day though. VE you act so damn arrogant and then when it comes time for you to actually make your statements you're getting picked apart, lose confidence, and back away. You want to call WBG scum but you don't want to commit to the vote. Why not? Why would you change your vote to BH the person that your #1 scumread is bandwagoning? Why would you assume WBG is just scum giving you BH to survive? He is certainly capable of arguing against you and any bandwagon that would exist on WBG has zero traction at the time being, this is the only reason I could think of for switching your vote. The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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If I'm town you've just given scum a reason to kill you now, in a sense. When you say you're not paying attention to me when you're done pressuring it sounds worrying. This sounds like "My bandwagon didn't go anywhere so I moved on." If you really thought I was scum or had suspicion there's no reason to stop paying attention. If you are scum looking for a fake bandwagon to start that sort of reasoning makes a lot of sense. If you can't keep up pressure without drawing heat on yourself then you have no real reason to take an interest in what I'm doing. I'm being very nitpicky but I want to be careful, carelessness in AC and other games has caused me to drop a lot of very good reads and miss details. I feel it's likely you just worded that badly but I'm not sold on you. And what's so doubtful about his presence in this game? It's not much unlike his presence in AC really, it makes sense he would be posting more this time around. I pointed out what I saw as the differences in his metagame. If that is holding you back I suggest you go back to my post on RoL/Dirk/VE and read that part. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 24 2012 14:43 prplhz wrote: So, why didn't his wagon pick up steam? You are saying that regardless of redFF's alignment, BloodyC0bbler would be a better lynch for scum unless he was scum. Furthermore, scum could avoid a huge deal of the fallout from a BloodyC0bbler mislynch by hiding the flip as it appears that they did. Your defense of BloodyC0bbler is primarily based on meta, something that the bulk of players in this game does not have. Do you think that Blazinghand is a scum who tried to get a town BloodyC0bbler lynched? He switched from redFF to BloodyC0bbler on shitty out-of-character reasonable at a crucial moment. It picked up enough steam that it was within like 1-2 votes until I changed right? It's not like scum can 100% decide a lynch anyway, the way your post is phrased makes it sound like mafia just choose whoever gets lynched every time. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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what purpose would a "lynch list" ever serve a town player to post in a million years i'm trying to think of things more useless and i'm not coming up with much | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 24 2012 14:54 prplhz wrote: Because I'm bad. I remember you pointed this exact same thing out in Responsibility Mafia! too. While the meta is available to everybody, not everybody has it readily available to them in their memory. You don't seriously expect everybody to go read everybody else's old games when they join a game? Only a few people do that. My point is that it's a pretty valid excuse "BloodyC0bbler looks scum, and I didn't have the meta that would allow me to see that he often just looks scum as town". I'm surprised not any more scum switched to him. While you're right that the BloodyC0bbler train picked up more steam, I don't think syllogism is scum, I think DoctorHelvetica is actually putting a ton of effort into this game, I'm not very scum, VisceraEyes looks pretty town to me. That leaves risk.nuke and Blazinghand to get the votes to 6 which BloodyC0bbler had at his wagon's highest point, also making these two scum. I've already said they both look bad and I'd be up for lynching either of them today. Sounds kinda slippy He really was almost lynched. If it weren't for people yelling about BH and me switching my vote BC could well have won. How do you know scum didn't pile onto BC? There are likely, what 4 or 5 mafia in this game? You think they're all going to vote unanimously for the same person? You think every single one of them was available to change their vote an hour or two before the deadline? Do you know something we don't? You have, as town, no way of knowing off the bat who voted for who especially since there wasn't even a flip it's difficult to even speculate on. The bandwagon definitely gained steam a lot of steam, good job ditching your original point (the one that brought you to the conclusion that BC is scum) but not the conclusion that came off of it. Just because BC wasn't lynched does not mean he is town. How does VE look town to you? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 24 2012 15:17 prplhz wrote: Hey DoctorHelvetica Do you want to say something? You're like constantly on my back. Yesterday you promised an analysis on me and said I should be lynched today. Instead you made analysis on 4 other players. You're still on my back all the time for "slippy" shit that really looks like you're grasping stuff out of the thin air. Do you want to say something? wherebugsgo just said that there are only 4 scum which is totally true, no matter the factors making a BloodyC0bbler mislynch easier (the case on BloodyC0bbler should look alright for people who don't have meta with BloodyC0bbler, the hidden flip). Blazinghand and risk.nuke as scum, maybe you but you're putting a ton of effort in this game, looks plausible and that would be 2 scum and that's a huge deal, I kinda realize that now. I have played like 50 games with VisceraEyes and he's always one of the players I take notice of because we joined this sub forum at the same time. Last time he was scum in Hammer Mini Mafia I took notice of it, same with XLVIII. He has a somewhat bad habit of claiming scum when he's scum and I didn't see that yet. He's talking to everybody and being hugely transparent and active and that's not only objectively townie, it's also his town meta. I looked through your filter and didn't find it as suspicious as I had expected based on a couple of your posts that tipped me off later in the day. I'm hardly constantly on your back, I've been pressuring you for all of what two or three posts now? Defensive and paranoid much? Scum shit right there. I have no idea what you're saying in this paragraph. I want to understand it but I don't. Where are you getting the idea that exactly 2 scum must have voted for BC? Is that even what you're saying? It's probable that scum spread their votes out to some degree but I don't know exactly how they did it or even why and there wasn't even a flip on the first day. If you can explain clearly your point about the Day 1 votes and what information you seem to think it gives you then I'd like that. It's difficult when I can't even comprehend what you are writing. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 24 2012 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote: The lynch list serves to let town know who I'm willing to lynch. I changed my mind on RoL, but my vote was ultimately on BC. Where are you going with this? Seems scummy to me. Absolutely useless fluff, makes you look kinda pro-town while you run around asking questions and poking/prodding people without ever making serious commitments and cases. You format some of your trash pretty nicely though, maybe later you'll do that with some real content or a case ? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 24 2012 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: You know, you come off as a hell of a lot more arrogant than I do. Why did you even include that in your post? If you think I'm not making any sense say so, but I'm in agreement with you on a lot of things, so whatever sir. If you want to vote for me, do it. I'm voting for who I think is scum. You're posting a shitton and aren't reading closely enough to know what I've said about BH when I said it many times and you wrote me off and just asked this dumb question instead of making a real response right away I never told you who or what to vote for so I don't even know what this post is trying to do it's just whiny | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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Anyway, I misunderstood your posting. The way you type makes it very difficult for me to understand your actual point. Another reason I'm just pressuring you now because I'm not even like 50% sure what you're saying in all of your posts anyway. I thought you were saying this: BC is scum because if he were town he would have been lynched. When you appear to now be saying: I think BC is town so there are definitely scum who would have voted for him and 2 seems reasonable. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 24 2012 15:43 prplhz wrote: Well, I'm glad we sorted that out. I always thought I was alright at expressing myself but everybody keeps calling me convoluted in this game so I was probably dead wrong about that. It can be hard to make yourself easily understood in a foreign language, please bear with me. Yeah. Try separating your posts a little more or restating your main point. Sometimes it gets lost in the larger context of what you're saying. It's just difficult to follow your train of thought. On February 24 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: You're just being a jerk to everyone you encounter. I'm done responding to you Doc. Good luck with your VE wagon. I'm sure it's going to bring you lots of success in this game. I really don't know why you are so upset. Surely you've dealt with worse? Am I the only player to say something you've said was dumb, or called your posts useless, or whatever? You asked me a question I've already answered. I'm not interested in repeating myself as much as I am in pressuring you which you're just dodging. I'm really not trying to antagonize or flame you, but I just don't see why town VE would be this absent minded not to know my opinions on the person he's pushing when I've stated them multiple times and has been so far very interested in what I have to say. You could have just taken the hint and went through my filter to find it but you insist on complaining about my attitude and dodging pressure instead. This is bullshit play if you're town and does nothing to ease my suspicions that you are scum. If I see bad play or dumb posts I won't hesitate to call it what it is. If you can't handle the heat etc. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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i was on the danger to mafia list. i just read it this morning. radfield was concerned enough about me that he had one of you guys work just to throw me off and i absorbed three hits. the danger to town list was jackal, bill murray, kenpachi, and others i dont remember. your conclusion is that BH is scum right? that's not the same conclusion as me. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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Obviously it's scummy because of my interpretation of it. I'm not objectively correct so why even bother to make the point? Why don't you counter my argument? You're throwing vague doubt on this situation and furthermore trying to discredit me with a lie about AC lol | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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VE, how do you expect me to behave toward someone I believe is mafia? | ||
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