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On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. LOL holy shit. Scum much? You have played enough with me to know my play is erratic and that I have played plenty of games active as scum. Just because I was busy for 16 hours (get over it guys) doesn't mean you are going to get away with this shit when I am actually reading the thread. Helvetica you are scum, will get to that in a minute though. | ||
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On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote: WBG seems fine to me so far. RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player ##vote Rebirthoflegend risk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change. You do remember you called me scum the entire game for being inactive day 1, even though I was active rest of the game? Then now you are mad because I was active day 1, but was busy part of day two? This wreaks of inconsistency, just saying dude. | ||
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On February 25 2012 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your play is erratic only in terms of quality of your posts. Now and then you have things like work keeping you distracted or the like, but the level of posts you make are normally decent as town and lazyish as scum. If your telling me I am wrong on this, prove it to me. Til then your on my radar. Merc Mini Mafia, Insane Mafia, Insane Mafia II come to mind. | ||
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Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. On February 23 2012 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is WIFOM. I agree scum would probably not shoot redFF if he is town AND survives Day 1 considering he's distracting and an easy lynch target, but I don't agree that it's alright to lynch town. redFF's claim is stupid and I'm not sold on it considering he didn't even say a name with it and just dipped out immediately. They should roleblock him but I just don't like making arguments or lynches based on predicting what the mafia will do. I can think of countless times I've been scum and we've concocted to do the opposite of what town would expect, even make bad shots just to confuse people. Mafia is not a game played by machines that make the most efficient decisions and even if what he said is likely correct, it is not helpful. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched. I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him. Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for. I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself. This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica | ||
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On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote: WBG seems fine to me so far. RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player ##vote Rebirthoflegend risk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change. Why am I giving opinions on multiple players when we can only kill one? I'd rather see how my other suspects react, so no. You aren't getting more suspects until I deem it proper. | ||
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On February 25 2012 03:39 Jackal58 wrote: We know nothing of the sort. You may know something but I certainly know nothing. Nobody is informed if they took a hit. Nobody is informed if they were role blocked. Nobody is informed if they made a save. We don't know dick. We don't even know what kind of KP scum have. When is the last time you saw a set up without a roleblocker? Its a standard mafia role and its worth noting as a possibly. Without a RBer there is no way for mafia to stop a DT claim. | ||
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On February 25 2012 03:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: RoL thinks I'm mafia because I don't care about guessing what the mafia will do at night, especially after people are announcing it in the thread. Terrible analysis, he's doing it only out of defense and his "activity" is completely centered around his defense now. I swear to god, I get this shit every time. I'm not bothering defending your accusation which is retarded. You were mad I didn't reiterate points against BC, yet if I did I would get accused of having no original analysis. It's fucks me either way in your analysis so don't try to pretend that was even an actual point. I have over 30 posts and I have other shit to do, I don't get it. Do I need to spam 24/7 from my phone to not be accused of inactivity? I could surely go WBG/BH style all over this game if you want. | ||
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On February 25 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote: So it looks like RoL is lurking to me. In Purgatory Mafia he did the same thing and he was scum (a few IRL days in, though, he suggested some horrible mass claim plan that made it pretty clear). He has a few posts that are less lurkey: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=25#498 But no major reads, which I find scummy. He also is making posts like this: This seems like typical lurkin behavior, and attempting to generally dodge and be unhelpful. He does come to his own defense, but it's all meta ._. This is his only case: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica and only after he was attacked. It strikes me as BS. He's lurking, but not as bad as Risk imo. If he doesn't shape up during this day I'd be comfortable going after him. At least he's made some statements that he can be held to. You are now on my invisible person list. I will never respond to one of your posts for rest of the game. | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is an actual point. Your whole reason for voting redFF was that he claimed and instead of coming out and explaining why he is scum you just focused on the immediate point which was that he made a claim which was not a helpful town play but if RedFF was indeed town it's very understandable that he would claim tracker. A lot of the points made against BC were points I made anyway. I just don't understand how you could be so lazy to not offer any explanation for who you thought was scum until you got called out by me. The first time you even bothered to push a lynch or make a case for why someone was scum was defensively. Being inactive is one thing but I think you're scum because of your posts primarily. Youwant me to explain how every bit of redff's claim was scummy? As soon as I get home I will explain in explicit detail how given the set up and his experience that shit was incredibly antitown and it was a 24 hour preemptive defense before a lynch. He was scummy before the claim and the claim was scummy then how the fuck can you say he's town? I don't get this thought train you and syllogism are pushing that he was in any sense town. Secondly this omgus shit needs to stop. I called you scummy yesterday and just expanded on my case after you posted nonsense on me. Sorry I can't hound the thread 24/7 and post useless blocks of bullshit like you can and for that I get punished by these ridiculous claims day 2 every game. When I get back tonight if its not too late I will explain what I promised. I work 10-6 so I will definitely try to get that in before I have to work. | ||
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On February 25 2012 13:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Youwant me to explain how every bit of redff's claim was scummy? As soon as I get home I will explain in explicit detail how given the set up and his experience that shit was incredibly antitown and it was a 24 hour preemptive defense before a lynch. He was scummy before the claim and the claim was scummy then how the fuck can you say he's town? I don't get this thought train you and syllogism are pushing that he was in any sense town. Secondly this omgus shit needs to stop. I called you scummy yesterday and just expanded on my case after you posted nonsense on me. Sorry I can't hound the thread 24/7 and post useless blocks of bullshit like you can and for that I get punished by these ridiculous claims day 2 every game. When I get back tonight if its not too late I will explain what I promised. I work 10-6 so I will definitely try to get that in before I have to work. To elaborate now. RedFF was considered scummy for spamming/trolling/halfheartedly pushing policy lynches then admittedly jumping ship to easier lynch candidates simply because they were easier. There is a reason he was lynched, and there was a reason we thought he was scummy. Now I believe RedFF should have the experience to know a claim shouldn't save you. Just make a reasonable case, do some work and any logical and reasonable explanation of your behavior should be possible if you are town. Claiming a role 24 hours into the thread is not smart and in no way is it town. As I just said, no one should rely on a roleclaim to save them, especially in a closed set up. I have set it before, but hell why not do it again. We are in a closed set up. We don't know what additional roles the scum might have so claiming is really bad. Scum could have a role that can kill if you know a players role for all we know. Meaning he secured his fate. But more importantly, in most set ups for the sake of balance a roleblocker usually exists. If we assume that then a claim of tracker fucks us even harder. In this set up we are NOT alerted of RB's, etc. Meaning if RedFF is lying mafia doesn't even necessarily have to hide its RB since no one will ever know they were RBed. On top of this, RedFF can now never prove his claim because his action will theoretically never work until we lynch the roleblocker at which point RedFF could finally "prove" himself assuming he's not lying. He said if he gets RBed lynch him day 2, this is obviously a delay tactic and when scum "RB's" him we end up in the same spot tomorrow, having lynched someone less suspicious and scummy. As for the no flip, if he was scum it would make sense, especially if it was his own power. We really can't know. There might of been a better tactical use of it, there might still be that option. I can see the reasons scum might cover the lynch, but I could also see better uses of it assuming RedFF was town, so if RedFF as town doesn't really fit in with what we know, then all we have left is RedFF as scum. So yeah, I think RedFF was scum because his behavior before his claim was scummy. His actual claim was really bad in an antitown sense, and upon reading and seeing DrH trying to soft defend RedFF I believe RedFF was scum and DrH is scum. Can anyone think of ANY reason to try to subtly defend a player besides not wanting to be aligned with them, yet not wanting them dead? The only scenario where that happens is scum-scum since no town should be scared to openly have connections to players. | ||
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On February 26 2012 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: when RoL actually does show up he posts like scum, chaoser is inconclusively inactive I'm mostly concerned by what RoL isn't saying, things he isn't noticing that he usually jumps all over people for but he just harps on about Red's claim and is OMGUSing hard You are retarded, I am not responding to your posts anymore. This game is seriously annoying me. I said you were scummy Day 1 and just because you put out some bullshit analysis on me first doesn't mean I am OMGUSing you. You ASKED for me to explain how RedFF is scummy and I did yet I am scummy for "continuing" to mention it when I brought it up like twice? Excellent! But its great you don't even know how to use OMGUS properly. If an accusation comes out of nowhere, then yes that could be an OMGUS scumtell. But its not a scumtell when I already voiced suspicions of you, I am allowed to think my accuser is legitimately scummy and when I have showed you before that, that is the case then you have no leg to stand on. Stop being bad. | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:05 kitaman27 wrote: I feel like I've seen this before. Oh right, I have. I swear you guys weren't going to get off my nuts if I kept talking, so I say fuck it kill me to clear the air and allow you guys to refocus and you don't do it? How does this make sense? Congrats on giving the mafia a free lynch tomorrow and nearly getting me modkilled and banned because you are all incompetent. | ||
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