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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote: What do you guys think about Chaoser? I really have troubles with some of his posts and here's what basicly happened and why I've got a bunch of problems with him:
I know, it's all minor things but it adds up. The reason I'm asking about this is because I'd like to hear other people thoughts. I'd say he's the most scummy for me right now. I do that first part all the time. What's the use of a blind vote day on from someone to pressure if there's no follow up. Kita did it as well. For me, it wasn't a "policy lynch", it was a move to not only put on pressure but to also start discussion. Look at how I did it in that game where I fakeclaimed DT. The second part is a continuation of the first part which is to pressure anyone that questions or defends the person being voted. Once again, I did this and have done this in multiple games. At that time, redFF had not stated that the reason he was voting for tyrran was because of policy lynch reasons. The one who brought up policy lynches was VE (if I remember correctly). Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF? Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote: I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie. In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum. I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia. My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler + I hate calling people scum for no reason, since it can convince players that people are mafia despite the complete absence of evidence. It is comparable to publicly announcing your town reads on day1, giving mafia additional reasons to shoot at players that you think are town or exploit your read(s) to manipulate you He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far. It's pretty obvious Jackal was fishing for reactions. redFF bit the bait on a nonsense "case" (aka none) against Toad at the moment. Why do you think I asked Toad what his opinions of Jackal calling him out was? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
I still have 3 votes on me, and am leading in votes. Kita wagon obviously isn't gonna go anywhere. Voting Toad, join me VE/jitsu/anyone else. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:58 redFF wrote: Layabout you haven't posted a single read today, so ridiculing dirkzor is quite hypocritical Do you think blazinghand's current vote is backed up by a good case or do you still expect him to go with a policy lynch. Guess I'll do my own happy to lynch list. kita toad prplhz(where is he) layabout Post indicates that redFF is aware that i was being sarcastic when i said that dirkzor should have 3+ scum found early into day1. On February 22 2012 04:04 redFF wrote: I don't really care about chaoser at this stage, haven't paid much attention to him tbh. Layabout is bad because he berated dirkzor for not finding 3+scum and hasn't stated a read all game. Criticises me as if i was not being sarcastic but instead as if i was being serious about finding 3+ scum early on. Wants to lynch me for not posting a read during the time that i was asleep, or did not have computer access. To clarify my original post (below): + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote: I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie. Dirkzor has been saying " I do not have any strong scum reads at the moment" is an entirely reasonable thing for him to say (it isn't very helpful however). He then says that the player he would currently lynch is chaoser but he has not called him scum with confidence.Instead it appears that Dirkzor feels pressured into trying to offer something and so gives his best (but weak) scumread. This again makes sense because having confidence in your reads this early on indicates either fantastic scumhunting ability or extreme foolishness. It may be necessary to appear confident in order to convince others to support you but your are unlikely to have enough information to actually be sure that you have caught scum. There is too much uncertainty. And yet ViceraEyes had Voted for Dirkzor and redFF said he felt he was a safe lynch target. I was being sarcastic by calling Dirkzor scummy on completely unreasonable grounds because i view the idea of lynching him now as similarly unreasonable. Why has Dirkzor been called scum you ask? click all to view the thread. hit Ctrl F and type dirkzor. Scroll through the absence of good reasons to lynch Dirkzor today. Kitaman wrote that Dirkzor used language that made him look scummy and chaoser said he made a criticism that he did not follow up on. Lynching based upon that would be utterly absurd. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 22 2012 01:10 redFF wrote: verbosity, managing to write two long posts without any scumhunting. Now since then he's got worse, one thing he said especially leaps out at me I read this as "here's my excuse for why I won't be giving many reads this game" It's one of the scummies things said so far and something I'm fine with wagoning. This is not a case. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote: I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie. In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum. I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia. My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler + I hate calling people scum for no reason, since it can convince players that people are mafia despite the complete absence of evidence. It is comparable to publicly announcing your town reads on day1, giving mafia additional reasons to shoot at players that you think are town or exploit your read(s) to manipulate you He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far. Wat? I'm glad you have that big confidence in my ability as town but I can't magicly make me notice scum... I notice what I notice when I notice it. And when I do I post it. So far this game I got jack. Jackal seems to be himself. Last/only 2 times I've played with him he was scum and posted exactly like this. Never seen his town play so I don't know but people says he is hard to read either way. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 22 2012 04:59 layabout wrote: Why has Dirkzor been called scum you ask? click all to view the thread. hit Ctrl F and type dirkzor. Scroll through the absence of good reasons to lynch Dirkzor today. Kitaman wrote that Dirkzor used language that made him look scummy and chaoser said he made a criticism that he did not follow up on. Lynching based upon that would be utterly absurd. Oh shit, thanks for reminding me about that. Dirk, you said: On February 21 2012 07:03 Dirkzor wrote: If the rest of the game is as stupid as the first 3 post this is going to get ugly... The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion. and then don't post anything about the thread situation till 12 hours later, writing: On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote: RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much. Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided. I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... What happened in between there? What was the positive part that you have to criticize? You never talk about it ever. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
The first 3 posts was bad. And i said they were. That was the critisism. Nothing more. I was trying to be sarcastic but i clearly failed. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:18 Dirkzor wrote: Oh right... you asked about that... I just didn't answer because it was a stupid question. The first 3 posts was bad. And i said they were. That was the critisism. Nothing more. I was trying to be sarcastic but i clearly failed. Is this addressed to me? My post was not about you and I have not asked any stupid questions and certainly not from you; the only post addressed to you was about your lack of activity, despite being active elsewhere. | ||
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syllogism
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'm keeping my vote on redFF because he was the only player that so obviously misrepresented/twisted other peoples words and facts to make his cases and scum really have to do that to make any kind of convincing bandwagon at all, unless it's a (wouldn't you know it) policy lynch or piling onto some expendable player like Kenpachi. Some things WBG said jumped out at me as odd, especially his claims that redFF is unreadable. I highly doubt that is the case. I have not played with redFF a lot but there are far more obnoxious and spammy players who are not terribly difficult to pin down. Players who are overly concerned with antagonizing others, talking about how other people are bad, etc. are not helping anybody, they are not moving us closer to lynching scum, this is scum behavior. The lynch ends tomorrow at 1PM PST correct? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:58 syllogism wrote: I certainly have not found "3+ scum", have you? Give me your top 3 scum reads then. Of course, perhaps it's something you expect from dirkzor, but I'm not sure if that is grounded in reality either. Any thoughts on BC layabout? May have missed this: The point was that catching 3+ scum so early is highly unlikely. I also think that you could have worked out that i was being sarcastic and that this above comment(by you) is beneath you. + Show Spoiler + perhaps not the best choice of words but ima just roll with it BC seems very concerned about the trashy posting, the one liners, the policy lynch and the insults. In nearly all of his 7 posts he in some way comments on policy lynching or he adds to the bickering, while still saying that we need contribute. Yet he does not move discussion forward or present new ideas. It seems to me that BC does not wish to help the thread progress and that he was happy to see so much crap. BC wrote: Pushing what I will view as bad agendas or bad forms of play is something I near always comment on. I am going to go check whether or not this is true. On February 22 2012 05:03 syllogism wrote: Say what you mean and answer my question regarding BC I am not sure what you are referring to. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:18 Dirkzor wrote: Oh right... you asked about that... I just didn't answer because it was a stupid question. The first 3 posts was bad. And i said they were. That was the critisism. Nothing more. I was trying to be sarcastic but i clearly failed. lol, that is not criticism. Especially not in a Mafia game. You've been especially noncommittal with your posts. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:18 Dirkzor wrote: Oh right... you asked about that... I just didn't answer because it was a stupid question. The first 3 posts was bad. And i said they were. That was the critisism. Nothing more. I was trying to be sarcastic but i clearly failed. What about my question? On February 22 2012 02:51 Jitsu wrote: You go from seeing chaoser as a bit flip-floppy To feeling that he would be a sufficient lynch. I can assume that you make him out as Mafia. I'll expect a case when you get out of work. For reference. | ||
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