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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 21 2012 17:19 GMT
#301
On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote:
Give some reads tyyran.


second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 21 2012 17:38 GMT
#302
I don't see why your bad vig play would affect the way you act in the thread. You need to slow down at night maybe, but why take a passive approach to the day based in-thread play?
RIP Aaliyah
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 17:39 GMT
#303
I'll give my honest opinion so far...

I can't wrap my head around this game. Right now I not certain of anything and thus is posting meek and useless shit. I know this. Been reading through filters but nothing really stands out to me (other then the stuff i posted earlier). I went to bed just as the games started last night and woke up to 8 pages of mudslinging.

If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 21 2012 17:43 GMT
#304
On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote:
Give some reads tyyran.


second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke


I think I have him figured out

##Vote: Tyrran
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 21 2012 17:47 GMT
#305
what made me look townier bh?
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
February 21 2012 17:51 GMT
#306
On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote:

[...]

I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy...


You go from seeing chaoser as a bit flip-floppy

On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote:
[...]

If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work.


To feeling that he would be a sufficient lynch.

I can assume that you make him out as Mafia. I'll expect a case when you get out of work.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 21 2012 17:53 GMT
#307
On February 22 2012 02:47 redFF wrote:
what made me look townier bh?


You're still scum
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 21 2012 18:00 GMT
#308
On February 22 2012 02:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't see why your bad vig play would affect the way you act in the thread. You need to slow down at night maybe, but why take a passive approach to the day based in-thread play?


to see how this game is going before telling everyone "yo guises np, I goz this"
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
February 21 2012 18:03 GMT
#309
On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote:
Give some reads tyyran.


second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke



I'm still at work rigth now, but to make it quick :

I dont have any scum read yet. I'm leaning town on several people. I'm wondering about syllo rigth now. He claims to know something we dont about the setup, but doenst share it. I'm not sure if this indicate town or scum.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 21 2012 18:04 GMT
#310
prplhz where are you? A busy day? Any thoughts on anyone at all?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 21 2012 18:04 GMT
#311
On February 22 2012 03:03 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote:
Give some reads tyyran.


second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke



I'm still at work rigth now, but to make it quick :

I dont have any scum read yet. I'm leaning town on several people. I'm wondering about syllo rigth now. He claims to know something we dont about the setup, but doenst share it. I'm not sure if this indicate town or scum.


This was very useful, thanks you. You are an important town asset.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 21 2012 18:08 GMT
#312
On February 22 2012 03:03 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote:
Give some reads tyyran.


second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke



I'm still at work rigth now, but to make it quick :

I dont have any scum read yet. I'm leaning town on several people. I'm wondering about syllo rigth now. He claims to know something we dont about the setup, but doenst share it. I'm not sure if this indicate town or scum.

Uh, I already shared it; it was merely the fact that the setup originally had the possibility of town outright losing after 2 mislynches, but it was tweaked since then. You can still draw conclusions based on that, for instance it makes the existence of a serial killer much less likely as typical it would make the game last a bit longer than that. Did you think this through or did you genuinely think that I mentioned knowing something about the setup and then refused to share it as a brilliant scum move? Oh I guess you weren't sure what it means, that's probably worse.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
February 21 2012 18:22 GMT
#313
On February 22 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 03:03 Tyrran wrote:
On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote:
Give some reads tyyran.


second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke



I'm still at work rigth now, but to make it quick :

I dont have any scum read yet. I'm leaning town on several people. I'm wondering about syllo rigth now. He claims to know something we dont about the setup, but doenst share it. I'm not sure if this indicate town or scum.


This was very useful, thanks you. You are an important town asset.


Thank you. I gladly return the compliment.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 21 2012 18:30 GMT
#314
Okay, I'm happy lynching into

redFF
Dirkzor
Tyrran


We need to decide on a lynch and get this shit rollin.

##Vote Dirkzor
But I can feasibly switch out anyone from my lynch list. gogo town lynchings!!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 21 2012 18:39 GMT
#315
Given everything that has happened today, myself Dirkzor and Tyrran are all very safe options. What do you think about kita, toad, and chaoser ve?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 21 2012 18:40 GMT
#316
What do you guys think about Chaoser?
I really have troubles with some of his posts and here's what basicly happened and why I've got a bunch of problems with him:
  1. Insta-votes Tyrran and follows the policy-lynch-thingy, whatever it was
    + Show Spoiler +
    On February 21 2012 07:01 chaoser wrote:
    ##vote tyrran


  2. Misinterpreted what I said and therefore attacked me, the important part is the last phrase
    + Show Spoiler +
    On February 21 2012 08:21 chaoser wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On February 21 2012 08:14 Toadesstern wrote:
    the big issue here (imo) is, that this policy lynch is based on a single game. At least arkham city was the first time I saw tyrann I think, don't know about you.
    Policy lynching because of a single bad game is complete and utter bullshit. If we start doing that we're not done policy-lynching for the next couple weeks. Heck, I shot 3 townies, want to policy lynch me as well because of that and ignore the other 6 games I did?

    If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia.


    Why the big defense on Tyrran? It's the start of the game, he's got only 3 votes on him and no one has actually said anything about WHY they want to lynch him. No one said they want to lynch him based on his arkham city performance. Where did you get that idea from? The policy lynch discussion is based around redFF and how he's spamming, not tyrran.

    So he basicly joined that policy thing for whatever reason and says the discussion is based around redFF and how he's spamming, not tyrran? You guys wanted, or at least pretended to policy lynch him, how is the discussion not based around tyrran if you're willing to lynch him? Why did you want to lynch him in the first place if it's not about tyrran?
    I really want an explanation on that one.

  3. Next thing he does is swapping his vote to redFF
    + Show Spoiler +
    On February 21 2012 08:56 chaoser wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On February 21 2012 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
    On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote:
    On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
    On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
    PEOPLE
    PEOPLE
    PEOPLE

    The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.

    VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read.


    You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read.


    And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran.

    Re: Spammy RedFF
    Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone.


    That is a big problem. Care to respond VE?


    No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.

    I'm voting for red.


    VE said he was voting for red as a policy lynch. He then criticizes red, not for his one liners, but by saying:

    Show nested quote +
    Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified.


    That is a direct criticism of red's policy lynch push on tyrran.

    Show nested quote +
    He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.


    I never said that he accused redFF of being scum for supporting a PL, I'm only saying that he's criticizing redFF of doing something that he himself did as well (Putting votes on a policy lynch).

    That point is factual. At the same time, I understand the nuanced subtle difference between the two given VE's immediate switch from policy lynch to scum-read. That's just good pressure play. Either way, I want to clarify what actually happened so as to not misrepresent the situation.

    Show nested quote +
    On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
    Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh.


    lol, this is scummy as fuck.

    ##vote: redFF

    Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF? Sure could be a townie who's changing his mind and that'd be no problem but the important thing here is, that both tyrran and redFF are quite easy targets imo.

  4. Last but not least his townread on VE
    + Show Spoiler +
    On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
    Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia.

    chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite?

    kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser?

    Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players.


    yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM).

    Again, nothing to big and I do that as well but there's literally no reason to do that so early in our game.
    I like to give townreads as mafia because it's so easy to do. As mafia you have to think of some bullshit to call someone out because you already know the guy is town. However, telling people "X looks town to me" is very easy to to as mafia because you don't have to make up some shit and you'll be right in the end.


I know, it's all minor things but it adds up. The reason I'm asking about this is because I'd like to hear other people thoughts. I'd say he's the most scummy for me right now.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 21 2012 18:44 GMT
#317
On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll give my honest opinion so far...

I can't wrap my head around this game. Right now I not certain of anything and thus is posting meek and useless shit. I know this. Been reading through filters but nothing really stands out to me (other then the stuff i posted earlier). I went to bed just as the games started last night and woke up to 8 pages of mudslinging.

If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work.

I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie.

In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum.

I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia.

My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler +
I hate calling people scum for no reason, since it can convince players that people are mafia despite the complete absence of evidence.

It is comparable to publicly announcing your town reads on day1, giving mafia additional reasons to shoot at players that you think are town or exploit your read(s) to manipulate you

He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 21 2012 18:51 GMT
#318
On February 22 2012 03:39 redFF wrote:
Given everything that has happened today, myself Dirkzor and Tyrran are all very safe options. What do you think about kita, toad, and chaoser ve?


chaoser I'm torn on - he almost made my lynch list. However, I came to the conclusion that either one of he and WBG are scum or they're both town based on the argument they had late yesterday.

Kitaman is like...I don't know. Not a good lynch for today. I'm waiting to see a bit more of his play before deciding on Kitaman. I could feasibly be convinced to lynch Toad. I'd have to see some arguments as to why he's a better lynch than, for instance, you.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 21 2012 18:53 GMT
#319
Oh, and I could lynch Jackal right now too. XD Thx laya...forgot about the Wily Bowler.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 21 2012 18:56 GMT
#320
On February 22 2012 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 03:39 redFF wrote:
Given everything that has happened today, myself Dirkzor and Tyrran are all very safe options. What do you think about kita, toad, and chaoser ve?


chaoser I'm torn on - he almost made my lynch list. However, I came to the conclusion that either one of he and WBG are scum or they're both town based on the argument they had late yesterday.

Kitaman is like...I don't know. Not a good lynch for today. I'm waiting to see a bit more of his play before deciding on Kitaman. I could feasibly be convinced to lynch Toad. I'd have to see some arguments as to why he's a better lynch than, for instance, you.


one argument could be that I don't want to lynch any of the people on your list just yet. Yes you pointed out 3 people who are weird to some extent but that's it. Same about Jackal. I'm not really convinced that what he did has to be mafiaagende or whatever you want to call it.
After all it was pretty obvious.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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