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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 21 2012 13:28 Blazinghand wrote: I think WBG is wrong and redFF has not been acting in a pro-town fashion. I think chaoser is picking a dumb fight. what do you think? I never called redFF pro-town. Being anti-town gives you two possibilities: you're bad town you're scum The problem with redFF is, how do you tell? I suppose we could just lynch him anyway, but then we aren't really lynching someone we surely think is scum. At that point we're just lynching to punish bad play. While I'm not opposed to lynching people who play badly in this game, I think we can look into finding scum in people who are easier to read than redFF. Reading players who are generally detrimental when they play town has never been my strong suit. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 21 2012 14:26 Blazinghand wrote: So your contention is "redFF is playing as bad town rather than scum", and although lynching bad town isn't the worst thing we could do, it's substantially preferable to lynch scum. This is a fair point. I will reread thread. you're still wrong, but whatever. My contention is that I have no clue what redFF's alignment is because he's capable of being like this regardless. Thus, he very well could be town, yes. Whether he is or not at this point I have no idea. A lynch on someone like that is purely an information lynch (although it would take a detrimental player out, that's true) I am not insinuating that he is town nor scum because I honestly don't know (and for now, don't care.) if I were a vig and I had no better choice I'd definitely shoot him, though. However I'm certain better choices will appear today. I will flush them out of their caves if they are hiding. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
We aren't going to policy lynch, "information lynch" or doing any other lynches which sole intention isn't to lynch scum. As you should know, the setup is supposedly quite difficult and I know the initial setup had the possibility of town losing after a single mislynch, though it has been tweaked since then. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
No one wants to policy-lynch, don't even mention it again. Have you read the thread? Who do you think is scum? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. In L, as town, he spent much of day 1 discussing topics that were not related to scum hunting at all and he should know that these topics get brought up every single time early on. He also does not single out anyone and despite disapproving the lack of focus on finding mafia, he doesn't really attempt to steer the conversation towards that. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
It seems genuine, so I doubt it's scum v scum - I can't decide if I think one of them is scum or if they're both town  | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided. I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On February 21 2012 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Syllo what do you think about the back and forth between chaoser and WBG? It seems genuine, so I doubt it's scum v scum - I can't decide if I think one of them is scum or if they're both town Looks fine to me, but I'm not going to post my town reads unless I've a specific reason for it and regardless just the interaction isn't enough to determine both alignments. Also I'm curious about the initial flood of Tyrran votes. Were they all based on my pre-game comment about not being satisfied with his performance in another game or did you all really happen to share that opinion? Pressuring is fine, it just seems a bit strange and artificial. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
Moving on to another topic, does anyone knows how Jackal plays usually ? His play thus far is very similar to purgatory mafia ( where he was scum), and as far as I rember, quite different from arkham city where he was blue. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2012 12:04 chaoser wrote: Toad, what do you think about Jackal saying you're scum. And what do you think about the recent developments regarding RedFF? Does he still deserve a lynch, especially if we can't find anyone else to lynch by the end of the day? Catching up, that's where I am. Well he's drunk and I'm pretty sure he wants to get better reads on me by calling me scum like that. He has to know that calling me scum 3 times (I think?) in a row without a single reason, without a vote is not a good talent toi have. He got in this thread saying something and added "btw I think Toad is scum" / "btw Toad is mafia" without anything else. Clearly it got to be some fishing game. But whatever, I'm willing to play along, I just don't know what to make of it. The rnd "I just had a look at toads filter and agree with jackal" (I think that was redFF?) gives me more of a bad feeling but than again, we got enough smashtalk here and I don't think I should start that topic again. (implying it stopped somewhere the next fews pages, I DO NOT KNOW!) Oh and btw I agree with wbg on the matter that I can't read redFF properly. There's also a bunch of other players I don't think I'm capable to read that good. I played 2 games with BC, both times he was town and I thought game#1 he was town and game#2 he ended up being mafia so I got something wrong there. If you're reading this bc I'd LOVE to see a game you did as mafia that is at least fairly normal. Same about syllo. I don't think I ever played a game with him except for that one game, I was mafia, he was town and we shot him n1. So not much to read, although I've got the feeling his town and mafia play is actually quite alike from his irc games. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2012 12:43 wherebugsgo wrote: I care about your opinion, same as I care about the opinion of the majority of the players in this game. [...] Finally, you probably know this, but as it's early morning in Europe I doubt Toad will be posting any time soon. I do not know if that is supposed to be irony or mafia-Bugs brownnosing :p With all seriousness I find that post weird. Bugs just isn't the helpful kind of guy as a townie and this looks like a helpful kind of guy. If someone like myself would make that post that'd be fine, same with pretty much everyone else in here, especially the newer ones but bugs? You're the hyperagressive guy aren't you? I don't mind you telling people it was late in europe at that time (I went to bed at 2am, so it had to be later than that) but isn't bugs usually the guy who might see this kind of thing but won't say a thing because he wants the other guy to defend himself nevertheless the get some reads? Remember L? He knew I was Town all along or at least for the last couple of days according to what he said. Yet he kept pushing me like a mad man, for fun and although he never said that he probably that to get some reads out of people like myself or people who are attacking me / defending me. So I've got to say the few lines out of that big post I quoted make we feel like it's not bugs usual agressive style. You all saw what he was like when talking to redFF although that's over the top because it's redFF and I think those two don't like each other. It's a minor thing but again, it really made me think for a moment. still reading :p | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Besides that strange behaviour I don't think your play has otherwise looked suspicious, as you were very active and relatively fearless. Obviously the fact that you immediately got a bunch of votes from people who are unlikely to all be town also speaks in your favor. Back to BC, I also find this comment a bit strange its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. This reads like coming from someone who doesn't care about (or want to) finding mafia and isn't internally consistent. Why would you like to believe that redff isn't mafia and just bad? On one hand he says redff is experienced (as in good) so he may be playing like this on purpose as mafia or something like that and then he goes on to say that he thinks redff is bad. Which is it BC? Do you respect redff's scum play or not? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2012 21:47 Toadesstern wrote: I do not know if that is supposed to be irony or mafia-Bugs brownnosing :p With all seriousness I find that post weird. Bugs just isn't the helpful kind of guy as a townie and this looks like a helpful kind of guy. If someone like myself would make that post that'd be fine, same with pretty much everyone else in here, especially the newer ones but bugs? You're the hyperaggressive guy aren't you? I don't mind you telling people it was late in europe at that time (I went to bed at 2am, so it had to be later than that) but isn't bugs usually the guy who might see this kind of thing but won't say a thing because he wants the other guy to defend himself nevertheless to get some proper reads? Remember L? He knew I was Town all along or at least for the last couple of days according to what he said. Yet he kept pushing me like a mad man, for fun and although he never said that, he probably did that to get some reads on people like myself or people who are attacking me / defending me. So I've got to say the few lines out of that big post I quoted make we feel like it's not bugs usual aggressive style. You all saw what he was like when talking to redFF although that's over the top because it's redFF and I think those two don't like each other. It's a minor thing but again, it really made me think for a moment. still reading :p oh gawd. So much mistakes, EBWOP above in my quote and a better example of what I was talking about below: On February 21 2012 09:59 wherebugsgo wrote: VE stfu you suck Everyone else sucks marginally less ATM. Mostly chaoser is doing the least sucking. Blazinghand learn to play I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl. Till then I suggest you all brush up on Ver's guide since the last page has made my eyes bleed. That's what I'm talking about. That's the bugs that screams town to me. What I quoted above, the one in which he said I'm probably asleep and he values peoples opinion just isn't anything like that. | ||
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