EPTWhat do you think of DoYouHas?
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slOosh
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What do you think of DoYouHas? | ||
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slOosh
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Gumshoe continues to troll us. He continues to expect suspicion on him. The heck?? Gah I wish we could double lynch. | ||
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slOosh
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Please don't let the thread stagnate. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 19 2012 11:39 jaj22 wrote: Gah, just realised why that lynch was dumb, which is silly because I figured it last night. Before the last rush, the distribution of the votes and the active player count meant that it was essentially impossible to lynch scum. The correct choice was to no-lynch. Off to flagellate myself and then sleep. We do the 20-hour dummy voting run on day 2. Hindsight bias. If you figured it out last night you should have said so, so you either didn't believe that you were right or you withheld information from us. | ||
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slOosh
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Try putting a cap on your posts, say 15 lines, and try to convey what you want within those lines. We don't want all your thoughts, we just want the best / relevant / concrete thoughts. I liked gumshoe's point on organization. It is true that mafia are working as a team, and it will expose itself to some public degree. As for your thoughts on DoYouHas On February 19 2012 15:30 gumshoe wrote: Theres a chance(I wont say a good one because I got fried for that last time) that one of these intelligent players is mafia in which case I think trying to find individual flaws in all their posts wont turn up much right now because their a bit more experienced than the average bear. You can yell at HAS for his play as much as you want, but hes is active and he proposed a no lynch(or a sloosh lynch) on the turn we lynched a townie. That looks bad on us, not him. Activity doesn't correspond with being town. Inactivity may be scummy, but activity in itself is neutral. It's what you do with your activity that is meaningful. In DoYouHas' case, he just looks pro-town, but isn't really. I invite you to read over my case and think about what I am saying. As for your conclusion on his lynch attempt (if it can even be called that), consider this: What if DimmuKlok flipped mafia? Only mafia knew beforehand what he would flip, and can act accordingly with this information. You have to separate motives with the results of the lynch. I also speculate that his incessant buddying with you is an attempt to look good should you be lynched & flip town. (What Bromancipate did with zelblade in NMMIII for those who read that). | ||
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slOosh
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On February 19 2012 16:14 DoYouHas wrote: Trying to stop a bandwagon onto someone I think is town is anti-town? Up until that point I had not made my stance on gumshoe clear. I posted my defense in the hopes that my stance would be clear, that hopefully people would agree with me and we could move from gumshoe on to more productive targets, or if not that at least through attacking my reasons for gumshoe being town the discussion could become more constructive than just hammering away at gumshoe himself. I was upset that my defense of gumshoe failed to get discussed because with Steveling and Midnight going after gumshoe, my defense was relevant to the discussion. Yet it was largely ignored. I don't like being ignored. I thought I brought up good points, but those who agreed with me didn't voice that opinion, and those who disagreed just ignored it. Not even addressing my points. It isn't defense of someone who you think that is town that is bad. It is the lack of trying to find scummier alternative suspects. On February 19 2012 16:14 DoYouHas wrote: First off, I was not throwing accusations at Midnight, TKHawkins, and Dimmuklok. I was pointing out things that I found while trying to make cases that I thought should be said even though I was not going to push for their lynch. Secondly, slOosh has incorrectly summarized the reasoning behind my pushing him. It is not, "I will be harder to read later on, so it is best to lynch me now." It is that I see slOosh as having studiously avoided posting things that would be useful in analysis of day 1 in respect of the information gained by a lynch. Instead he filled his filter with explanations and clarifications, not with stances and cases. (remember, this is before his case on me) These "explanations and clarifications" are to promote a healthy town atmosphere. I explained here why I haven't posted anything yet. So unless you think the things I said weren't to promote good town atmosphere you are trying to lynch me for a lack of stances. You also seem to forget the necessity of each player to vote, which would have forced a response from me anyhow. On February 19 2012 16:14 DoYouHas wrote: I have no reads? I had a meta read on sl0osh early. I provided the original reasoning that put MannerKiss on everyone's radar. I had a town read on gumshoe, which I revealed and defended. I trusted my read on slOosh enough to vote for him and stick with it even if it meant a no-lynch. As for not putting in effort into my case on slOosh, that is wrong as well. One of the things I learned from NMM3 was that a PBPA with a wall of text tends to clutter your good points with your bad ones while simultaneously pulling you into confirmation bias. So when I made my case against slOosh, I tried to be concise, I tried to focus on a fundamental flaw in his day1 behavior, and I provided the posting evidence to back up my conclusion. I will respond to others if I must. But I feel I've addressed the most of the points against me in this post and the previous one. You had a meta read on me early, dropped it here for the purpose of finding other candidates, digressed into defending gumshoe whilst not offering any alternatives, points out some inconclusive stuff on Midnight, Hawkins and DimmuKlok, votes for me as his strongest scum read but has no desire to follow up and convince others to lynch me. You haven't addressed anything, and your evasive post isn't helping you either. Sleeping now. Please contribute people. Just because day 1 is over doesn't mean the lurker problem is gone. Contribute to town or you will be next on my scumhunt list. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 20 2012 03:26 jaj22 wrote: It was speculative reasoning at the time, but I hinted at it in these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13573775 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13574870 I'll explain the eventual reasoning because it's important for the conclusion. Before the late compromise switch, we had 4-5 players each on ET and MG who had no interest in switching to the other, plus another 6 votes scattered between DYH, Sloosh, Gumshoe and DimmuKlok. We had maybe 6-7 players who were active and willing to switch votes. Unless by some fluke scum were all absent for the lynch, we needed scum support to reach 8 votes. The trouble is that this is extremely likely to happen again, because it's a consequence of the lynch deadline. We really need to be narrowing down the field of candidates long before the deadline so that every townie has a chance to make their vote count. The plan: We set a dummy deadline 27 hours after the start of day 2, and we try to get a "lynch" by then. Anyone not treating the deadline seriously should be considered scummy. Someone please agree with this plan before I go completely insane. Why the heck would you hint at something speculative and hope we pick it up? If you wanted to talk about it you should have brought it up clearly. Totally disagree with your reasoning on the voting. If there are at least 8 votes on ET and MG, at least 4 of them must be town. The reason why it happened as it did was because it took us time for enough content to be posted to build cases. We have enough cases as it is right now, and the rest of this night as well as the whole day to decide. The one thing I agree is "We really need to be narrowing down the field of candidates". We only have 1 lynch tomorrow. It isn't wise to go try finding all 4 mafia members at once as it requires too much energy and time and its just an unreasonable goal. It's best to focus on finding one mafia at a time. What we need right now is focus. Work with the current cases unless you have something really compelling to share. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 19 2012 17:58 DoYouHas wrote: Grrrr, you KEEP twisting my words. When I dropped my meta read I said it was so that BOTH of us could be constructive in the cases that were happening around us as we had a back and forth. NOT solely for the purpose of me finding other lynch candidates. How does being constructive in cases have any value aside from finding proper lynch candidates? Refer to my second point on my original case: DYH spends his time looking constructive by talking about gumshoe but not for the sake of finding scummy people. What is frustrating me so much is that you are throwing rocks while living in a glass house. You find the fact that I didn't quickly create cases against new people after dropping my original one on you scummy. Yet after you were freed from having to defend yourself did you do any of these things you expected of me? NO. When you defend your lack of cases and stances, you say it is because with 15 people in the game its harder to sift through the filters and come up with a strong case, did you EVER think to apply this reasoning to me? Nope. The only explanation for my inability to make a large strong case after dropping my meta one against you is that I'm scum. It is incredibly hypocritical. And again you seem to miss the point of my case against you. It is not what you have posted, it is what you haven't posted that raises my suspicion. And that is another thing that bothers me. I was not 100% on you being scum. I just did not want to lynch the available candidates and I thought that you would be much more likely to flip scum based on my own reasoning. But now I find myself pigeonholed into pushing you because defending my reasons for suspecting you is all I can do while multiple people are pushing me. All fluff. I don't apply the same reasoning because we are two distinct cases. DYH puts down my case for the sake of "being constructive" (dubious claim at that), wastes his time doing his thing with gumshoe and ends up with nothing new but the "slOosh isn't posting his stances he must be mafia" My goal day 1 is to promote a healthy pro town atmosphere conducive to producing content from which cases can be drawn. I didn't bother building cases on 3 post filters because it's pointless, especially in a newbie game where people are uncertain how to post (besides drawing discussion, but others were doing that so no need to clutter the thread). What is this about me having no desire to follow up and convince others to lynch you? I gave plenty of notice about my schedule. I can't follow up on my case to further persuade people when I am not here. Both you and gumshoe seem to think I am somehow this mastermind that orchestrated a false absence in order to create a no-lynch. Which is absurd because a no-lynch isn't ideal for scum any more than it is ideal for town. DYH again is evading the point. It isn't that he was unavailable for the lynch - that's fine and I believe that he had IRL stuff. It's that he voted me knowing that there was next to 0% chance of lynching me that is scummy. If you want no lynch, you vote no lynch. If you want to lynch, you put it on a scummy candidate that the rest of town has consensus voting, not on some guy no one has even considered lynching. DYH is treating his vote like trash this game. The townie's power is in his vote. Townies do not treat their votes like trash. I'm not going to address any more of his defenses as his past two are shoddy, evasive and weak, and commenting on his new ones just gives him an avenue to spout some more nonsense and clutter the thread. | ||
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slOosh
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Mafia shot him, end of story. We don't know why. Some of you seem really intent on trying to reason it out. Stop it. Its a huge waste of time. DYH still hasn't done or said anything redeeming in my sight. Lynch this man NOW. ##Vote: DoYouHas | ||
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slOosh
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On February 20 2012 11:46 Mattchew wrote: i said that Steve reads townie. thats much different than what you said. plus it was asked of me Since you replaced MannerKiss you haven't contributed anything of substance. I don't care who you think is town. We aren't playing to confirm town, we are playing to find and lynch mafia. Your stance on DYH and MG? Take a hard stance. Post your reasoning. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 20 2012 11:32 DoYouHas wrote: My town reads are: trackd00r, ET, gumshoe, slOosh, and blae000. This leaves a pool of 8 people in which I think all mafia are present. That is where I am looking now, and that is who I am building cases on. WOW. Lynch him NOW. 15 players to start. 1 lynched, 1 shot. That leaves 13 players. He posts 5 town reads, and concludes all mafia in the remaining 8 people, of which he is one. Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 20 2012 12:08 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm really not sure where to go from here. You go and put your vote on DYH. | ||
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slOosh
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We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever. We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 19 2012 08:21 MidnightGladius wrote: There is no way we're letting a no lynch happen, not after this Day 1. On February 19 2012 08:37 MidnightGladius wrote: I'd be willing to switch onto either DYH or DimmuKlok, but I think the only one we can actually get a majority on right now is DimmuKlok. If more people post to indicate that they're active, I would rather lynch DYH instead. On February 19 2012 09:52 MidnightGladius wrote: I told you earlier that I felt more suspicious of DYH than DimmuKlok, but that I didn't think that we could have had a majority on him. This remains true, because if DYH were scum we'd assuredly never get majority, and the people who were in the thread at the time had already posted suspicions of DimmuKlok but not DYH. He has been awfully quiet and detached. I certainly would like him to speak up. On February 20 2012 06:03 MidnightGladius wrote: My next case will be on Alderan: [case on Alderan] On February 20 2012 08:29 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm staying out of the current DYH/sl00sh debate, because their responses are pretty valid. I think they're starting to talk past each other, now, and so I decided to look in other directions. I was originally suspicious of DYH when he hadn't yet started responding to our questions, when he wasn't clear on his stance towards lynching, and when he stayed on sl00sh throughout the end of voting without being online to prevent a no-lynch. My thoughts of him now are that he's still being stubborn on the mislynch in hindsight, but I can understand where he's coming from. You're looking really scummy to me right now MG. Unless you provide good reasoning why you think DYH is town, it is absolutely incriminating that you would bring up a new lynch suspect "who apparently isn't even on anyone else's radar". | ||
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slOosh
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Gumshoe I like your improvement in posting - both in clarity and conciseness. As you say in your first post, I'm predicting he will be making a case on MG. Whether it is a bus or not I'm undecided as I am waiting for MG's response first. In any case we lynching DYH today. Don't let our votes be split between two mafia candidates (should MG also be mafia) | ||
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slOosh
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On February 20 2012 13:42 EchelonTee wrote: I will wait for Alderan to respond; you should let DYH respond as well, at least until the psuedo deadline at 16 PST tomorrow. I have let him respond twice 1 and 2 He does nothing to redeem himself in his defense. Here are my posts on his defense 1 and 2 respectively. I gave him ample time and opportunity to defend himself and he has failed. There is no reason to continuously give him chances. I end it on this note- On February 20 2012 12:02 slOosh wrote: WOW. Lynch him NOW. 15 players to start. 1 lynched, 1 shot. That leaves 13 players. He posts 5 town reads, and concludes all mafia in the remaining 8 people, of which he is one. Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him. | ||
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slOosh
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My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case. Notice he FOSed you, not voted. | ||
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On February 20 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote: ...how is it that you weren't shot last night? ##Vote: DoYouHas I'm going to guess the same reason I wasn't shot in NMMIII - they fear a medic prot. But that's all WIFOM and we can find out when game is over. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 20 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Sounds good. My read on you was based upon you thinking DYH as town. As you state that you don't, I drop my suspicion. My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case. Notice he FOSed you, not voted. That is addressed to MG. Didn't want to quote the big post. | ||
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