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[UoN]Sentinel
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On February 05 2012 14:13 Sinensis wrote: Because holding out on it is going to help us, right? Precisely. | ||
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Anyways, Bluelightz, if you don't want to get lynched I want to see some in-depth analysis of as many accusations as you can, otherwise I'm voting you too. @Nisani since the "confirmed town" is investing so heavily in my defense, I think that explanation for me being scum is gone. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On February 06 2012 12:15 prplhz wrote: @[UoN]Sentinel I'm considering if I should push your lynch just for all the stupid shit you've said, from "I will now treat you as confirmed town because you helped in my defense" to "the confirmed townie thinks I'm townie so I'm clearly townie". One premise is a misconception, the other is plain wrong, and the conclusions cannot even be arrived at from the premises. I don't recall you saying anything remotely this stupid in Hammer Mini Mafia, why are you doing it this game? I'm dicking around because it's the weekend, so I don't feel like working. Next morning I might be helpful if you guys bring something nice to the table for me to jump on. And I've been doing a lot of work these two days, so I'm actually contributing to the inactivity, hypocrisy for the win  In 6 hours or so I will wake up and contribute analysis, IF someone actually posts reasons, logic, etc. Because honestly page 17 was 3 guys arguing between each other, and there's at least 3 lurkers on this thread. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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My reads on everyone: EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz I've read the three filters of the dead people: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Sinani as scum wants someone gone so he'll push whoever has more votes forward to thin out numbers. But then he says the bandwagon was "too fast-forming to be legitimate" on Timeaisis, and switches his vote... to Bluelightz. I find it odd that if a scum player is up for lynching and he's in third place, another scum would bus him like that. Vilonis was a weird one. He really hated Nisani201 up until he said "Timeaisis is guilty, Sentinel and Bluelightz are innocent" and then switches that to "prplhz and Bluelightz are guilty, TheToast is innocent" with absolutely no logic to transition the two (other than that Toast voted innocent on Timeaisis). But then he flipped town. I think this was just bandwagoning on Timeaisis, since his logic consisted of links to Nisani's posts. On February 05 2012 08:44 Vilonis wrote: I'm not going to analyse who I think is mafia, I am going to analyse why TheToast is town, why we should belive what he says that huge ass post he just made, and, therefore, why we should lynch Bluelightz and prphlz. First, his consistency. Everyone should read through TheToast's filter. He has been tracking and building up evidence against Bluelightz and prphlz the whole game. He didn't want to lynch Timeasis Example, In addition, he has done more helpful analysis than anyone else in this thread, and called out more poor analysis. The point of all of this? TheToast is right. If it is possible, he should be saved. He is the most obvious town right now. We should also keep an eye on Bluelightz and prphlz, and consider them strong lynch candidates. I think this was bandwagoning as well, since he just pretty much says "Toast is innocent because he didn't lynch a fellow townie, and this is who he thinks is mafia." And finally, Timeaisis, peace be upon him. He wanted a Bluelightz lynch for his inconsistency, then switched to me, caused a shitstorm, and then before he died voted Bluelightz. Bluelightz had something going for him like sinani up there. He didn't defend himself when sinani bussed him, but this could be just because someone else (Timeaisis) was already getting the axe so he didn't need to. And then he suggested mass roleclaim... best case scenario newbie mistake, worst case scenario he's trying to present targets that coule be nice and juicy to scumteam. If the doctor revealed himself, there would be nobody to save him. If other blues revealed themselves, since that was the whole intent of the plan, the doctor can't save them all. He did say the medic could hide, but he couldn't save the vigilante or the veteran or the detective at the same time. Until then, ##Unvote: Sinensis because On February 02 2012 12:59 Timeaisis wrote: Well, I mean I want to hear from everyone before I vote. That's all. | ||
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On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: The no defense argument isn't WIFOM at all considering the situation. If he is scum he can just say one name. Then if this person is lynched and he's town, then cool, Bluelightz survived for another day while somebody else didn't. Wait... explain this please? I'm not visualizing how this works. There are 7 townies and 1 scum, he can easily avoid mentioning his buddy and even if he does that will buy him town credit. This is a "nothing-to-lose" situation for scum, but town can still lose something by pointing other people in the direction of other townies. Not that I think that Bluelightz is playing stellar town play, I just don't think he's scum. I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior. His filter in Purgatory had nine pages. I saw #5 had lots of the list-posts he makes here, and #4? and #7 had the one liners. So he did a little of both. I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway. "Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy. All I can say is that sinani was unexpected scum, but I can't really address this in detail since I have to leave now. You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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##Vote: Bluelightz I'm sorry, man. For the glory of the emperor. | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote: prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. The ultimatum was started by sinani206 before prp, no? | ||
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On February 07 2012 06:34 prplhz wrote: You the last scum [UoN]Sentinel? I wish I were. Maybe then I could have some fun. | ||
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It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:31 Sinensis wrote: omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work? 04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__- | ||
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On February 06 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote: OMFG, today is pretty much a fucking repeat of yesterday. Sinesis does something stupid, Sentinel votes him, then Bluelightz wants us to do something that would benefit scum. prplhz is confirmed town, so no one should be voting him. I am really tempted to vote for Sentinel right now but I'll wait to see if anything else comes up. Big FoS: sentinel On February 06 2012 04:38 Nisani201 wrote: It should have been implied, but since you asked nicely I'll give one to you. I'm suspicious of Sentinel because he's latching on this opportunity to lynch someone based on something that scum would never do but still seems stupid. On February 06 2012 06:10 Nisani201 wrote: Yes. I really don't think Bluelightz is scum. On February 07 2012 06:06 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, I have decided that I will vote Sentinel. I understand why people don't like Sinesis, but I just can't imagine him being scum. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote: We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story. These are five of Nisani's last six posts... all are saying lynch [UoN]Sentinel. Note that he was also the first to vote me Day 1, not prplhz, not Bluelightz (who was acting more suspicious at the time like toast said) but me. For bandwagoning. Of course then we killed Timeaisis for the same reason  On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today. And you did not? IIRC your true reason for voting me was to "test" if I was scum, and you were passionately defending your case up until you said "Eh, too much effort to lynch this guy. So that leaves Echelon. TBH all I have on him is that his usually medium-to-large posts have turned into one-liners since the start of the day when Toast suspected on him. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:11 Nisani201 wrote: I haven't been pushing Sentinel because prplhz was pushing Sinesis. I didn't want to argue against a confirmed townie. The fact that prplhz was pushing Sinesis made me someone doubt is towniness which is why I didn't try to draw votes off of him. I'll make a case against Sentinel tomorrow though. Is that supposed to be "somewhat doubt his towniness?" And why would pushing Sinensis make you doubt his towniness? This isn't scumteam, townies don't know who the other townies are, so they go with their gut instinct. If five of us voted for Sinensis, worst-case scenario 3/7 townies thought he was guilty and said so by voting for him, and two scums who wanted to get rid of him. Personally I'd say 4/7 because I wanted to vote for him before Bluelightz came up. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote: Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter. This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make. I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. On February 08 2012 13:04 prplhz wrote: Cool enough. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start... ##Vote: Timeaisis For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFel | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On February 09 2012 03:08 EchelonTee wrote: @Bluelightz why is everyone in the town green or null to you? It's obvious that your three null tells are the people you are suspicious of, but you don't seem keen on accusing them in any way. If you had to pick one person, who would you push? @Sentinel I thought your post was leading into a case on Nisani, but you sort of shifted the focus onto BF. I don't really follow your case; you say Nisani is lurking / not providing reasons, but pass over him in favor of BF, who you attribute the same reasons toward. You do state that "As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow.", but how does this make BF more suspicious? Basically I'm just wondering how you are distinguishing BF and Nisani, as atm you're applying the same characteristics to both. Still in classes, will put up meatier posts tonight. Also, lol at the phrase "TheToast's posts" haha I was going to lynch Nisani, and was going to say why he's a better lynch than BaronFel, but after a read through the latter's filter, I felt like I had more to argue for Baron and bought my own argument. I didn't delete Nisani's bit for stenographical reasons. Also, a lot of my voting has been reactionary. Timeaisis is voting for me and not good enough reason, I automatically assume he's scum and trying to bandwagon on a mislynch. I think I don't have enough to argue Nisani other than "he wants me dead" and "he REALLY wants me dead", unlike Baron who I have an impartial argument against. Maybe Nisani really IS scum, but he's got less chance of being one. | ||
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Sorry prplhz, no quadruple post for you. | ||
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Until then, to accelerate the process, ##Vote: Nisani201 | ||
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