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On January 24 2012 14:19 Bill Murray wrote: <3 + Show Spoiler + no homo+ Show Spoiler + I'll be taking my warning now, by the way+ Show Spoiler + What does "3. No conditional voting." mean? Move my vote to X, if Y happens, because I'll be in Alaska. peace.? yeah like that. I was once in a game with deadlines as usual (4 am for germany, had to stay up at 8am...) and asked if I could just do a "vote whoever THIS guy votes" because imo he was clear townie. That's when I found out that conditional voting is not allowed | ||
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On January 26 2012 11:26 Jackal58 wrote: ##VOTE: Palmar /In. Maybe I'll last longer than 24 hours this time. oh come on, you won the last game without being shot at all. Even I got shot and you didn't :p | ||
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Batman: Being the stealthy man you are, your hit goes through all protections except those of Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze That's in both batmans and cat womans describition. Later on it's You are also a master of stealth and are immune to all night hits. in both describtions. Sooooo, what happens if batman shoots/kills/bitchslapps/whatever cat woman or vice versa? The first quote indicated that they get shot because their hits go through everything but real-VETs, the 2nd one looks like you are pretty much immortal and can only be killed by lynch. | ||
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unfair, I don't know how to swear in english about your dicksize Everything I got is either from TV like southpark or something kwark said and nothing I can remember is about dicks At least I got that unhappy-smiley I can spam. Take that you villain! | ||
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On January 31 2012 23:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: They can't off eachother. Will edit that in. so you really are immortal unless you get lynched as third party? Do want | ||
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Vigis: Basicly a townie with a gun. Those people can shoot whoever they want at night. Most times however their gun is only delivered with a single bullet Detectives: Those guys can check on someone on nights revealing their identy (mafia or town) to the guy who checked him. Veterans : A guy with 2 lives. It takes 2 hits to kill those people | ||
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I'm so much more forsighted than radfield. | ||
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Pretty much the same for cat woman imo. Line em up, keep shooting :p | ||
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At least I got that little smiley to annoy him. On a more serious note: I don't like people talking about claims d1. That's kenpachi (nothing new there, noone likes Kenpachi...) and Cyber_Cheese right now I think. Actually especially Cyber_Cheese. Why do you think we need to talk about blues so early on, make them / one claim early on to get another "blue" (batman) buffed although we don't know what he's up to yet. Are you trying to get some information and read into what people are saying about that topic to figure out if they're blue or not while talking about that topic? Because that's what I thought right now. | ||
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Anyways I'm off to get something to eat know. You're allowed to tell my that mistake was scummy but I won't be able to asnwer for the next hour or so. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Do you want Batman shooting at people he thinks are blue, or people he thinks are scum? That is why we should give up the Joker. well but shooting scummy people is way harder than shooting townies. I guess batman will try and go for scum first, probably just shoot into scummy players or DT into them. If he hits his target, fine, if he did not there's one less scummy target and that one might still end up being joker. After he killed his mafia target he can still just blindly rampage town or DT because it should be way easier to figure out town and one of them is bound to be the joker. Obviously he only has to make sure that no side wins before he wins and he has to make sure not to get lynched. He's pretty much immortal so time is running in his favor as long as he's not lynched because both town and mafia are helping him shooting each other. Oh and obviously BM's massclaim (or anyone else saying we should do that) is bullshit. If we were to do that there'd be a shitload of lies and fakeclaims. VT's claiming blue to get shot instead of blues, blues trying not to get shot, reds trying to look townie and so on. I don't know about you guys but I'm pretty sure mafia is having an easier time figuring shit out than everyone else will have on their OWN. Not to mention that there's not even a need to figure this out unless you're batman catwoman or a medic. There's just no point in there. I'm totally fine with "knowing" someone is probably a townie, I don't need to know his role. That's how I see it: 0 benefits, maybe a little wifom to screw with mafia but huge drawbacks. | ||
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On February 06 2012 21:26 Palmar wrote: Why no pms You guys are boring. I propose this plan. Tomorrow I will announce the dumbest/useless/bad thing said in the thread, and we lynch that person as a punishment. are you planning on playing seriously this time or trollish again? Last time doing that got you killed, the game before that you killed a townie (with a little help from v7) and both are nice excuses for you this time after all. Mafia palmar could easily say "hey looky guyses: I did this the last two games as well, me pro-troll = me town!". I'd like you to help town without playing your side games to spicen things up. | ||
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On February 06 2012 21:54 Palmar wrote: I had nothing to do with killing Soap, stop lying. V7 being dumb is not my fault. That's not what I'm asking. I just want to know if I should look forward to your analyses or if there's not going to be something. If you're not willing to play the usual palmar style I have to try and figure you out somehow else and you'de be someone like Kenpachi for me. | ||
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If I were badman I'd try to hit mafia first. Simple reasoning: We're going to kill 1 mafia per cycle via lynches. Sure according to the setup there's a shitload of vigs but those people don't know for certain if they're going to hit mafia or town, same for our lynches, so that'd be deaths for both sides. Just for the sake of a number, let's take the 1 I was talking about and ignore everything else. How many people does mafia kill? Well according to their KP 3 per night. They know who's town and who's not therefore they can't miss but they might hit a vet or someone being protected by a medic. Same as above: Just for the sake of numbers let's take the 3 as well. So we're going to take 1 mafia out per day and will lose 3 townies per day. Obviously those numbers are bullshit but the essence of what I'm talking about is that mafia is killing more than we do. So if batman isn't able to kill hugo on d1 there's probably already a bunch of dead townies by the time he finishes off Hugo. So the chances that mafia makes him win while he searches for Hugo are enormous. Sure he has to make sure no side wins by a rockslide but if that's not happening mafia is probably going to shoot joker somewhere in the process anyways. I'd say we use Batman on our behalf and make him help town. I don't have a problem with him killing Hugo and neither should you. Hugo really is the hard part of Batmans job imo. After he killed Hugo we can start talking about giving him Joker to prevent a badman rampage. | ||
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On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. Batman can simply claim one of his hits, preferable one that ended up being a mafia and say he's a normal vig. There's not going to be someone who can counterclaim unless he claims a name as well but who'd be stupid enough to yell "hey you can't be X, I am X" while X is a specific name and not a role. That would out a blue without helping town and gets the counterclaimer killed. A vig claim gets shot by batman. If it's a DT (which makes sense for a Batman claim as well, probably even more given what Palmar said) is going to be shot by mafia, same with medics but Batman is probably not going to claim medic :p He could even claim VET that got shot night X because he's immortal. I really don't think batman or catwoman will have problems claiming something that is not batman :p | ||
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On February 07 2012 05:50 Jayjay54 wrote: VE: I don’t know if I am allowed to use the word meta after one game. But I feel like he is playing exactly like he did in L. He was town and basically accused everyone who accused him. He did it to me twice, I was nearly losing my mind. So I don’t know if this is a scum tell yet…maybe you are right and he’ll freak day 2. [...] Idk, I got the feeling from his conversation with kita that VE might be townie. However he does this omgus as mafia as well because he knows what people think of him. So he literally does shit on purpose because he knows that he's going to get away with doing omgus shit. However he played 2 normal games the last time I saw him as town, so I guess it looks townie for me. But nothing sure. On February 07 2012 05:51 Palmar wrote: rofl, so many people trolling. layabout's picture is awesome. Lynching VisceraEyes is always a net gain for town. Exactly my thought but I did not want to say something Even the new guys are trolling. Yes I'm looking at you jayjay Still catching up. Palmars post I quoted is where I'm at right now and just saw it when responding to the one jayjay did. | ||
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I guess that problem will be solved after n1 given how many vigs there are (possibly) to our thread. Still want wbg to post something | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:50 Jayjay54 wrote: wait what? you quote me and start a valid discussion about VE and then go on and say that I am trolling? how so? I read through my filter and didn't find a single troll / troll like post. to the VE thing, he claimed a hit in L, so I was relatively sure that he's green, still he accused everyone like there would be no tomorrow. same here. I am not really feeling like this is a tell. [...] I thought the - smiley tells you what I'm talking about. I was referring to your "and a - smiley for Toad" post. That's not trolling but you know, like a nice poke at me. We just got massive amounts of shit like that. Not that it's bad, it's d1 after all and I did that as well but it's getting too much right now. Wasn't even meant to be an attack because I thought I laughed when you did that post but we should get going and start serious business. | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:06 Jayjay54 wrote: but but but that was my birthday gift. I didn't mean to troll, It was merely a sidenote because we always hung out in mafia L. Ok, back to business then what did you think of DocH posting Toad? Kind of reminded me of BC/Sandro last game... Now I've birthday in germany \o/ About DocH: Well I have to admit that I haven't read his filter yet. Yeah I read the thread but I don't know by heart what he did. So far I only looked into something like 5 people I could say I'm pretty sure I know what they are. I'm going to read docHs filter right now and will give you another answer. | ||
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I'd much rather see people like CC, maybe layabout or if we got noone else to lynch Palmar / Kenpachi lynched right now. I can't help it (I can't even explain it) but I just don't get the same "stubborn" read on palmar that I had on him last game but that might as well be him getting used to this situation and therefore he might not be as emotional as last few games. Needledickthebugfucker (yeah totally going to use that one Jackal :p ), why are you requesting me to do analyses? I thought you think I'm useless not to begin with the fact that you haven't done shit yourself? | ||
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On February 07 2012 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote: ok I back. quick response time Please tell me how this makes sense: "I see nothing in Dr. H's filter" "except this one thing that he said town shouldn't do but he does anyway and scum would definitely do" "but that's nothing cause we have a lot of it so he's null" da fak So the person you want to lynch at last resort you give reasoning for, but you give 0 reason to lynch CC or layabout, who you would "much rather" see lynched? Once again, da fak? I asked because opinions about people I currently am forming reads about are useful in actually finding scum. Such as, for example, you. You are proving so for to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. Why else would you flop around and then basically as me why I'm pressuring you? Your responses so far have been utter bullshit. ##vote Toadesstern gonna read what I missed now, be back soon. catching up again and here's a quick question: Are you seriously this time so that I have to answer this or are you trying to amuse yourself again? Because I find your style quite funny right now and I don't know if it's supposed to be that way. | ||
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On February 07 2012 19:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There have been a few cases laid out, put a little more thought into it. Town doesn't win without some serious thought. It's a team effort. You can make statements like this all game as mafia, it's too safe. Let's talk BM. Make a case for his lynch. If you're "happy" to lynch him you must feel pretty good that he's scum right? Seems like you're not really invested in who gets lynched. Uninterested. That's not good. Yeah I've got the bad habbit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Hapnned last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them telling me I'm doing bullshit. I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time so that should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself). I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit. On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynch if we can't one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman). | ||
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On February 07 2012 19:44 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah I've got the bad habit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Happened last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them, telling me I'm doing bullshit. I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time. That should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself). I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit. On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynched if we can't get one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman). massive errors. EBWOP in quote | ||
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On February 07 2012 20:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If people don't think you're useful, prove them wrong. nice typo :p But yeah, that's not going to work either. I'm not someone within the magic cycle of vets people listen to and therefore my opinion is of no value to those people unless it's strange for some reason. Even if I end up delivering mafia after mafia people will only tell me I'm suspicious because I'm right way too much and because after being told I'm useless I'm robbing it in their faces, which does look kinda scummy. I'm not going to talk to a wall and pretend it's listening. Hey there wbg. Last game you were overeager to get palmar lynched because he was useles and only posting troll bullshit. What's different this game? I agree that it's different this game but shouldn't that make you lynch Palmar even more given that he flipped town last game? | ||
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On February 07 2012 21:13 Palmar wrote: screw it, I'll read the thread. brb. and you guys are telling me I need to tell you why I don't have problems to lynch Palmar / BM / Kenpachi? I can't explain it because there's just not much there but all 3 are bad right now and I'd much rather lynch them than lynching a lurker. CC / laya > Palmar/BM/Kenpachi > Lurker should be the priority of lynches imo | ||
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I take it you're doing the same bullshit wbg does since I did not make it to your list? | ||
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He either does posts like this: + Show Spoiler [useless bullshit that mafia can do wit…] + On February 07 2012 02:32 layabout wrote: please be civil children On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote: lets all vote for no good reason! or he defends Kenpachi. Sure Kenpachi does this shit everytime and it's nothing special at all but mafia could easily do that as well looking pro town + I don't mind Kenpachi being lynched / shot at all. It's not like we're going to get a better read on him in the next couple of days. Next thing he does is his picture post: + Show Spoiler + Next time defending risk.nuke: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 06:02 layabout wrote: He normally posts about a page day1, it is not unusual for him to post very little. he is typically aggressive. he has only ever been town he absolutely hates it when you try to "meta" him. Here is a post i made when i was scum about him in a game in which he looked sorta scummy but was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=32#630 his previous games (which you may want to look at) Election mafia (town) Tl Mafia XLVII (town) Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town) Newbie mini mafia (town) TL Mafia XLV (town) Hammer mini Mafia (town) sure looks nice but again. Saying people look townie is the easiest thing to do as mafia. The only thing that looks townish is the bare effort of linking those 6 games but well, you know me, I'm not going to read something into that :p Next one is a response to VE that's a null and his last post is a CC-Vote. The only things that make him look townie is that fact that VE "found" him and him voting CC. Other than that I see nothing within his posts that could make you think he's townie. Want to explain why you think he's a townie? | ||
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On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion. yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1. And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling. | ||
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On February 07 2012 22:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: take back everything? such bold statements as: "i'd rather not lynch radfield d1" and "I'm so much more foresighted than radfield." - pre-game Now you're backpedaling on statements you never made that's a first for me keep cool man. Just lynch me if I end up lynching wrong people and I'm fine with that. Or read my last game and you might understand why I don't really feal like explaining a lot right now unless someone really wants to talk with me and discuss my own and his reads. The pregame thing you quoted got a trollface underneath and it's pregame. It's common knwoledge that 99% of everything said pregame is trolling isn't it? But I'm getting the same feeling I got from p4n last game about you this game. So that's a good thing I guess. | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Missed one because I CTRL+F 'radfield" and not 'rad' you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing. that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else. On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote: Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory. I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge. | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer. And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a townie but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker. | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:27 Toadesstern wrote: I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a mafia but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker. EBWOP in bold | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:38 Radfield wrote: I think you're scum Toad, I realize it's your birthday and all, but it has to be done I wasn't gonna day 1 scumhunt this game, but I just can't help myself In all seriousness, I do think Toad scum: This post is the major factor for Toad in my mind: This post is made after several attempts at getting Toad to flesh out his reads. Read the spoiler quotes to see the context. First he opens with an excuse as to why he is not contributing and may not contribute in the future. That is somewhat scummy, but not particularly damning. I said I'm not going to to cases d1 and will do them d2. At least that's what I wanted to make it look like without actually saying it. Although I did say it recently Second he states he doesn't like me(which I assume means he thinks I am scummy) because he disagrees with my reads. That is not a valid reason to find someone scummy(in the early game), and shows the wrong mindset. Fact is, Kita looks like his inactive 'helpful' mafia play right now, and VE looks defensive and skittish. They are most certainly not so townie that calling them suspicious is a bad thing. Again, this is scummy but not terrible. I did not like you because you posted nothing early on and I wanted you to start posting. Easy as that. But yeah although I mentioned the reads on VE and Kita they're not the reason my talk about you. Third and most importantly is the last line: This is in addition to these posts: Similar posts, and in all three Toad is already backing off the CC, layabout train. They are his top 2, he has mentioned them multiple times, but not only is he not making an effort to push them, he is basically capitulating that they might not get lynched. CC is a decent target, and the fact is there are decent reasons to push him, yet Toad has not found them. I voted CC. As mentioned I'm not going to post big fancy cases on d1 because I think they'd be driven by tunneling and my gut feeligns which would make me think "I got to fine something that makes him scumm". Don't want that early on. And no I'm not backing off. If I'd be backing off you'd hear me saying something like I said about Palmar Additionally, although this is a minor point, Toad says they are mafia, or third party. There is simply no reason for a town player to add in the last bit. If Toad is scum he likely KNOWS that CC and Layabout are town, so the inclination to hedge and call them third party is large. Not a huge thing, but really jumped out at me when I read it. So what are you saying. You just said CC and laya are reasonable lynches and now you're telling me I'm mafia and I know they're town? I said that because I think he's either a red trying to push that or he might actually be catwoman. If I thought he's badman I would not have made that statement. His other targets, Kenpachi, BM and Palmar are just policy lynches. KP and BM are both perennial easy targets, and day 1 lynch bait for mafia. Including Palmar in here doesn't even make sense, and directly contradicts Toads earlier post: Toad is going to try and figure Palmar out somehow else, which apparently just means voting him off Day 1. That doesn't make sense. You are using Palmar's somewhat trollish play(trollish play that you yourself already admitted was standard fare for Townie Palmar) as an excuse for a scum read. yeah Kenpachi would be a policy lynch, BM half a policy lynch tops and I'm not going to vote palmar with his most recent posts This post is also a red flag: This post both undermines the thread, and encourages vigilantes to shoot into anyone trolling. Trolling is almost always a townie trait, as it both spotlights you and bring about the ire of town. Two things most mafia players seek to avoid. I thought I'm doing the same to some defree just that those people are overdoing it. It's basicly what palmar said about layabout and what I said about risk.nuke last game: I don't think / he doesn't think that he'd have the balls to do that as a mafia. However I'm not sure on layabouts matter about that question. VE for example trolls as mafia on purpose because it's well known that town trolls d1 and he know that he get's away with that because of his meta. I don't think the reads on Kenpachi are going to be better any time soon so we might lynch / shoot him if we got noone else who might be a viable target. Palmar might end up being useful because he either is trolling-rightish or trolling-wrongish and therefore we don't need to kill him but I want to get his reads to keep him accountable There are other points and posts, but most of them are minor. Agree or Disagree? ##Vote: Toadesstern | ||
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On February 08 2012 00:00 Radfield wrote: [...] His last post seems pretty meh to me. Sheth and VE I pretty much agree on. I'm not sure how you can have an opinion on Hiro though. Why is he on your list. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 23:49 Kurumi wrote: Rad, why You didn't want to scumhunt Day 1? Because I'm normally wrong Day 1 . I wanted to scumhunt, just not really scumhunt publicly. I feel like too often my voice carries more weight than it should on Day 1, as I don't think my Day 1 track record is better than anyone elses. I cannot help myself though... Because hiro has not posted at all (pretty much) but last game he played very active. He was not a VT but a Detective. Why should he lurk so hardcore as a VT if he's posting A LOT as a blue? Why should he lurk hardcore if he's a blue again? I'd say he's neither a blue nor a green. It's just nothing like his last game. | ||
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It was a sarcastic statement refering to that L game. prot made a list that had something like 4 people in there + myself and said all 5 are mafia. I think I said all 4 other people are good lynches or pushed for them myself so I told him he's bullshitting because as a mafia I'd probably not bus so many people day1 if he really thinks the list is right. Same with your list. Sheth is a nice list and I agree with lynching him, Cybercheese is my vote and the one I'm "pushing" today. Do you really think I am mafia if you think those 2 are mafia or is that just OMGUS because I said you're my #2 ? That's the post I was referring to (not the complete list, only those with an explanation): + Show Spoiler [click me!] + On January 19 2012 12:02 Protactinium wrote: GGQ is cool. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. Yes this is a double post. For some reason I am always cursed with posting when my post will end up at the bottom of a page. | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:28 Palmar wrote: lol But no, we're not lynching Toad. We're not lynching layabout either. We should be looking at lynching into the three following people: Sheth VisceraEyes Hiro Protagonist agree with sheth and hiro. I'm not to sure about VE yet so who do you think is the most likely to flip scum? As mentioned Hiro is nothing like his last game but as everything I got on him is his abstinence campared to his blue-play last game I'd suggest lynching Sheth first. No way to convice you that lynching CC is an even better target than those 2? | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:44 layabout wrote: Why did you respond to something that isn't remotely serious with something serious when the original unserious response was a response to you yourself not being serious? i mean seriously? besides there is a difference between players that are good lynch targets and players that are actually scum. It's not my fault that there is a case against you that isn't a load of crap and that you called me scummy. Because I already got 3 days of "OMFG LYNCH TOAD" after I said something I thought was obviously clear and only in one way interpretable but out of nowhere a bunch of random noobs jumped on me yelling "OMFG HE SAID BLUES TO SHOW THEMSELVES, LYYYYYYNCH HIM". So yeah, I've seen a lot of bullshit :p Which case are you talking about? The one Rad did? I already responded to that one and neither rad nor you said something about my response so I thought I'm clear now. Also palmar said I'm clear. Also rad & wbg thinks I am mafia. All things that should make you think I'm a townie at this point in time. And no, saying you're scummy is not a reason to say I am scummy as a response | ||
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As long as there's some people pushing the right targets I'm fine with swapping, don't need to push CC/bomb the tread with 20 different cases and sheth is one of the right targets for today ##Vote sheth | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:58 layabout wrote: What is it that seperates hiro protagonist from chaoser or evantrees or Slardar or Risk.nuke or Opz or or even Katina or Adam4167 or Tyran or ico? there are many players that are lurking to varying degrees, Why is Hiro scummy? his posts from game start: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2012 08:16 hiro protagonist wrote: /confirm On February 06 2012 15:59 hiro protagonist wrote: no. also: thats why. On February 06 2012 16:04 hiro protagonist wrote: Also I would like to reiterate what Dr. H said, dont talk about batman/catwoman for now. It only distracts us from scumhunting. What are you seeing here that i am not? I already answered that one somewhere. In L Hiro posted A LOT and was very active from the get go. He was Detective that game, so that's a role that people might tend to play lurkish but he did not. So if he's playing his blue roles like DT so active he surly would do the same as a green because green players should be posting a lot and try to catch bullets. So his lurking is quite strange given that he played his last game so activly as a blue. Slardar, does the exact same thing as last game. That's what I got in my notes about him this game + Show Spoiler [Slardar] + not posting at all. Did that in L as well and is not contributing. Thought he's a mafia in L because of that so I guess it's a null ///Yes that's everything I got on him /// Same about evantrees I guess but I haven't looked in that filter yet. Risk.nuke got a reason for lurking and noone is going to push him Adam was quite lurky in L as well if I recall correctly, opz is somewhat scummy for me and those other 2 guys you mentioned are new to me. The thing about hiro is that it's a pretty weak "case". It's only proving that he's playing bad this game, it's not proving that he can't be town or that he's mafia but it's something to look at imo. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:14 layabout wrote: How can that which does not play, play badly? because not posting at all is not a useful talent toi have for a townie + I know he's capable to play good = Do not like the rest in your list is a null read for me, some maybe slightly leaning scum, some slightly leaning town but that's not sure at all. If you find Palmar posting like a complete idiot you want to hit that. If you find someone that you don't know behaving like a complete idiot that's a null tell, especially if they never played a game here. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:30 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [a bit off-topic] + Hit that? Poll: Do you want to hit that? Define "hit that" (3) Yes (1) No (0) Since he often trolls day1 and is potentially a valuable town asset likely to die n1or n2, no (0) 4 total votes Your vote: Do you want to hit that? (Vote): Yes If it's a lurker you want to lynch Tyrran might be a good choice. I already said I never played with Tyrran didn't I? I don't like lynching lurkers unless I have to. And if I have to I'm going for lurkers I know are capable to play this game in the first play. If that's not possible I'm gladly lynching someone who's lurking and I never played with. Why are you defending hiro so much? It's not like I said I want to lynch him right now. He's something like #5 in my prioritylist. Maybe even lower. After all he could have some issues and he has to lurk because of some RL-stuff or whatever. It's just a (heavy) fos so far. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:43 Bill Murray wrote: we have like 5 kp as a town per round minimum batman potentially will help us out, too wat? | ||
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I am going to repeat myself because of massive amounts of posts that got us to page 29: wat? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:01 Palmar wrote: DrH is not scum, don't be an idiot stop thinking the way I do ALL THE TIME. What was the reason I thought you're mafia again? :p | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:03 Katina wrote: I agree with the fact that so far everything has just been a "big circlejerk" and the lack of logic behind the claims are kinda amusing. It looks like people are just accusing for the sake of posting in hopes they don't get killed. Palmar seems to be making the most sense so far out of anyone in the game. He's actually reading into the posts and what everyone is saying. Palmar is being very direct with his opinions. I think Dr. H is town but he doesn't give off the same vibe of having the town's best interesting in mind that Palmar does. Toad's post here doesn't really contribute much, it looks pretty much like rambling more or less. I don't think he's accomplishing anything for any of the sides. Not sure what his goal is for this game, if he even has one and I find that troubling. Until Sheth stops rambling there should be way more than a few votes on him. My goal is vote the right people and only push people if none of the vets does a good job because people are more likely going to listen to them. Palmar is pushing the right buttons right now so I don't need to make my own cases. Knowing who I think might end up being mafia and who's probably town should be enough for you guys to figure out if I'm town or not. | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:08 Bill Murray wrote: toad... 7 vigs... 2 can be medics.... lets do the math lol the point I am 'wating' about is the bolded part. 5 "KP" or whatever you want to call townvig-shots PER CYCLE? As far as I know TL only plays with 1-shot vigs but you make it look like we got vigs with more than 1 shot. Why do you think so? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote: there is a gigantic mason network im a part of that is why i'm claiming a power role i know a confirmed town, as well I know a confirmed town, too ❤ | ||
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So everyone already knew I was referring to a guy called Toadesstern? I think I know who's the confirmed townie BM knows! | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:56 risk.nuke wrote: ##Vote Toadesstern Behold Sir. Spam-alot from the kingdom of no-content. I got scumvibes from him earlier as I was reading the thread. Nothing in his filter tells me otherwise. I like him more then other lynch-candidates. Meta: I've seen him under suspicion before and he acted calm and reserved, nothing like this. I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. Why are you lying? I'm getting emotional when accused to be mafia and I'm actually town ALL THE TIME. Like big time. Please give me an example of me acting calm and reserved. Yes I don't care a lot until I think it's urgent because imo it's obvious I'm town when I'm town (= when I am town I think it should be obvious that I am town) and maybe that's what you're referring to. Basicly here's what you do to figure me out: If there's a bunch of people, preferable people like Supersoft/wbg/rad, saying I am mafia than I have to be town. If there's not a single on in the thread saying I'm mafia I actually am mafia because I'm cautious with what I'm posting. Got that feeling right now? | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:11 Bill Murray wrote: this sounds like toadesstern is consoling his scumbuddy he has a vote on adam4147 toadesstern sheth cybercheese kenpachi jackal ^ list of scum oh gosh it's L all over again | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote: also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman? "With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections". That doesn't look smart to me. he's what I thought VE was last game. Or he's stupid. Noone knows | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:18 Jayjay54 wrote: difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb. and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously. I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town. Yeah, when I said "he's what I thought VE was in L or stupid" I was not saying either ... or. Could be both at the same time :p I could see him think it's a good move as what I think he is. And it's not about what VE actually was in L but about what I thought he's doing. About the doc case. I think it's wrong as well. So far he's giving me some vibes that make me think of p4n. He's pushing activly, not good imo but he is. I doubt he would do what he's doing as a mafia. Yeah the talk about third party isn't nice but I don't care so much about it early on to say we should lynch him. I'm leaning town on doc because of his attitude as well. | ||
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I just don't know if I'm believing a word you say so rephrase "stupid" with "weird" or "bullshit" (bullshit in like you're making it up). Will try to keep the insults on wbg only from now on. | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:30 hiro protagonist wrote: Everyone should ignore Bill until he starts making sense. Anyone doing otherwise at this time is very bad for town atmosphere. hey there hiro. Where have you been all day? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Click me!] + Kenpachi (0): rgTheSchworz (5): ]Cyber_Cheese, Kenpachi, Jaybrundage (0/1): Adam4167, Tunkeg (0): Slardar (0): Visveraeyes (0): Kitaman27 (0): -_-Quails (1): rgTheSchworz, layabout (1): Cyber_Cheese (6): layabout, Toadesstern, DoctorHelvetica, Slardar, Kurumi, ico Toadesstern (1): Liquid'Sheth (4): Katina, "Palmar" (wrong voting pattern), forumite, Adam4167 (1): Bill Murray, DoctorHelvetica (1): JayJay54, Chaoser (1): Tobberoth, Ico (0/1): Adam4167 (did not unvoteJaybrundage), | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:34 Toadesstern wrote: hey there hiro. Where have you been all day? Also repeating myself to get an answer. | ||
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On February 08 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Not Random anymore. I sense that I am about to be lynched, if not today maybe tomorrow. Also the atmosphere is turnin mafia-favored rapidly. Votes flying left and right, dispersed votes makin it easy for scum to lynch town today. Due to that, I am claiming: I am a Detective .Unless people insist that I claim my name, I won't do it due to obvious reasons : I may or may not be Catwoman's target. I have not had the chance to investigate yet. I will probably be roleblocked.untill we can find the roleblocker. you will probably be killed by catwoman because you claimed DT. The only reason not to kill you instantly as catwoman is the wifom you created because he might think that a DT is not going to claim DT. | ||
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On February 08 2012 05:39 Bill Murray wrote: if we lynched people for bad play, you wouldnt make it to night one we already did that last game. You don't have to rob it into his face :p | ||
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I do see problems with some people voting sheth, mainly hiro and BM. I'd like to get people on CC instead of sheth. Yes I think sheth is a good lynch but with the most recent posts I really think CC is a far better lynch. Just read his filter and give me a single reason you could think he's town. Look at what he's posting the last couple of hours: Nothing. That's right. He was first in votes for most time I think. Yeah it was a close one but still why isn't he saying a word? Wouldn't a townie try to defend himself or try to scumhunt to prove he's a townie? A townie would not leave this without a comment, a townie would activly try to get someone lynched who's not a 100% mislynch because if he knew that he's a townie he'd know that it's going to be a mislynch as well. I won't say that sheth is a bad lynch because it's not but he's one of those 3 to 4 people I think will end up being a coinflip and I had a scumread on sheth in L d1 as well and ended up being wrong. I actually think lynching sheth is good as well. I'm just saying lynching CC is way better. That guy is activly pushing a blue to claim, he is not helping, not even mentioning his reads or whatever and he's bound to flip mafia or third party imo. He did a lot d1.1 that is VERY easy to do as mafia. It mainly was some talk about the setup and what we should do with the joker. That's all good and fine but ever since he completly stopped posting somethign of content. It's like he's sitting back watching the thread, even when people are casting votes on him. That's not a good sign at all. | ||
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On February 08 2012 07:46 Jayjay54 wrote: also, Opz? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=15805 two posts, one is totally nonsense and one softdefend for (blue) rG. Why is he lurking that hardcore? Get in here and post. yeah opz is the same as hiro. I'd really like him to show up in here and post something. Heavy fos on him as well. Not sure if I already mentioned him but since you did I remembered I wanted to do that as well :. Anyways, he's not a valid option for today. | ||
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I do trust in my read on CC and I do trust in my read on Palmar. So I'd say both CC and sheth are okayish to lynch although I'd prefer CC a lot because I'm not trusting my read on sheth to be more than a coinflip. I won't change my vote because as it is now it's either CC or sheth and noone else is going to take enough votes to get lynched. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Toadesstern drH slardar ico tyrran wbg chaoser liquid`sheth jackal opz evantrees billmurray That's the list of people who voted for CC. Everyone in there is suspicious for now. Some a little bit more, some a little bit less. Reading the last 5 pages or so right now. | ||
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I'm Two-Face and I picked DT because I suck this game + we probably already got a shitload of vigs. If CC would have turned out red or catwoman I would have picked the vig instead. You may ask yourself "wtf is this guy doing? He just claimed two-face, catwoman will simply kill him if it's true, therefore it got to be a fakeclaim". Fear not because I am immortal. Not literally but pretty much. I won't tell why but I asked BC and he told me Catwoman can't penetrate my awesome powers and she can't kill me right now. Obviously I won't tell you what makes me immortal because that would make it WAAAAY easier for her. I don't need protection because as mentioned, I'm pretty much immortal. Now we got 2 claimed DTs while one is unkillable. Sounds pretty awesome given Mafia only has one Roleblocker. I don't know if the other DT Claim is a true one or a mafia fakeclaim but if it's true mafia has to kill him and RB me. Or mafia isn't believing a word I say because hell, who would give town an unkillable DT, right? :p | ||
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On February 08 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred? I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden. 3 mayor aspects of my claim:
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You're telling me claiming something else as blue would have been better. Let's say I'd claim Poison Ivy instead (Medic) what would that achieve? Nothing because a poison ivy claim does not make sense in this situation. A blue claim to save a DT makes sense so mafia has to either believe I'm a VT / Vet simply fakeclaiming to soak up bullets or I am really unkillable n1. That's massive amounts of wifom for them and they can't allow themselves to be wrong on this because if what I said is right I'm fucking imba. However. I'd much rather like talking about something else from now on. I did that mainly because I do not want Schworz to be shot tonight that's it, a medic protection would be nice for him but I don't know if he claim was a true claim in the first place, so it's not my decision to make. If you want to question me and my claim I can totally understand that but I'd rather see mafia figureing this bullshit out themselves. | ||
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On February 08 2012 20:00 ico wrote: What is this... Toadesstern, let's assume your claim isn't a lie for a moment: Catwoman is still hunting for another townie. So unless Penguin also claims (please don't) you have accomplished nothing so far. I partially understand your immortality claim. It is another flavor of wine added to the table. You will have to prove yourself. Well without my claim catwoman probably would have just shot into that. Now she's probably going to DT either me or him first and at least won't shoot Schworz. Maybe she's going to shoot me, I don't really care. Maybe she's calling bullshit on both of us and rnd-DT's someone else because she wants to find penguin. Maybe she shoots randomly into town. I really don't know but I'd say it's pretty likely that she's going to DT tonight. And Mafia has to find out if I really am imba or if I fakeclaimed and only want to catch bullets as a VT/Vet. They can't allow a DT to rampage all over their faces. | ||
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Yes my claim makes sense from catwomans perspective as well but as you already mentioned, why should I do that? Same as mafia? Why should I get that attention on me and risk someone DT-ing me to find out I'm not Two-Face? That'd be incredible stupid and would not make sense, at least not d1. | ||
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Mafia shots can be deflected, catwoman shots can't until you've got some special abitlity to do that. Mafia has to RB me or get me lynched and kill schworz. They would have loved to simply RB him and watch and see if catwoman shoots him. And yes everything you quoted is true (at least I guess, I can obviously only speak from my point of view), nothing you quoted contradicts with what I claimed about Catwoman and her inability to kill me tonight. And no I'm not a vet. | ||
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It's not my call to make if Schworz's DT claim was right in the first place and maybe he's mafia idk yet but he's not twoface so I'd much rather out myself as long as I'm immortal, I did my job and now it's the medics' job to decide if we want him alive or not but without my claim protecting him would not have made sense at all as a medic because catwoman shoots through that. | ||
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On February 09 2012 01:09 chaoser wrote: So you claimed...to trade one DT (you) for another (Schworz)? And it doesn't even work because they wouldn't be on your ass anyway if your "i am immortal" claim is legit anyway. Why didn't you just claim blue two-face and leave out the "i am invincible" part? Then you would actually get "both mafia and thirdparties on your ass". I already explained that, read the last page... But sure again: Because noone would believe a word I say if I claimed Two-Face without being unkillable. Why would Two-Face, who at least know that he himself is not a liar, claim DT to sacrifice himself just to save another DT? No matter what, even if I'd believe Schworz claim without a doubt I still couldn't say I'm 100% sure he's a DT. So best case scenario would be: 100% Chance to lose a DT and a 99% Chance to win a DT. That's not what I'd think because I know I'm not going to die but that'd be what everyone else thinks, therefore noone would believe a word I said because it's stupid. Same with claiming something else. Claiming medic to catch some bullets would make no sense at all because no medic would claim such a bullshit. There really is only a couple of possibilities:
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Anyways you won't hear more stuff from me about that until d2. | ||
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I really don't like everyone talking so much right now. If this would be a bunch of mediocre players or noobs np, they don't know better or do that on purpose to draw some attention but as far as I know vet's talking n1 is usually a mafia treat isn't it? Also I don't know if I desperatly want Palmar to be alive or if I desperatly want him to die right now because of what he just said. | ||
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Everyone who proceeds to talk about this now might as well be a nice vig target for those of you out there. I did not think my claim would bomb this thread so much. I thought we're maybe going to have a bunch of posts calling me bullshit and some believing me and afterwards everyone moves on. I already said catwoman can't kill me tonight. I will explain things tomorrow, for now leave it and ask me tomorrow if you want to. This is not helping town and I do apologize for this shitstorm I created but I still think what I did was right. So everyone move along and talk about something useful or leave it as it is right now. Discussing my situation is not helping town and I can't undo it. | ||
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I said I'm going to talk about it tomorrow and I might as well just do it a minute before the deadline to make sure (for you) I'm not bullshitting you guys. | ||
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deadline is 11pm EST, according to google it's 14:17 EST right now so deadline it's still 7:40 hours. Correct? | ||
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I hate the fact that I can't do that in english without having bullshit as a results... EBWOP filter kk. Also just a sidenote: I hate the fact that BC is linking the deadline in EST. I have to google everytime what time that is because I don't even know what zone it is... deadline is 11pm EST, according to google it's 14:17 EST right now it's still 7:40 hours until deadline. Correct? | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:23 Bill Murray wrote: oh shit scratch that im protecting the good side of the face im hush, a medic, in case you all aren't reading i'm protecting jackal/palmar tonight i would advise the other medics, if we have any, to be on me/jackal/palmar/schworz/toad/kurumi DON'T protect Palmar. Don't protect me. I dare you. This is no joke if I somehow find out about this because of some tracker shit or whatever special power you're getting lynched asap. | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:27 Bill Murray wrote: um, toad, youre not going to lynch an uncced town medic are you serious? I just don't want you to protect me or palmar. That being that I'm going to get you lynched if you protect either palmar or me tonight because I'm preeeeetty much indestructible tonight and a medic protection would be 100% wasted. If you were to do that I'd treat you the same way I did when you locked up lanaia in L. | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:36 Bill Murray wrote: excuse me, toad? nice misrepresentation i have no claimed two-face i have claimed hush, a medic ok since you still don't seem to understand I'm going to explain this one more time. Two-Face can't die tonight. You don't need to protect me or palmar. A protection on palmar or me is 100% wasted because Two-Face got his own way to be safed. Not to mention that the only threat to Two-Face is catwoman because that's the girl that will try to kill me. She will penetrate your hit, so even if I'm bullshitting your medic protection is wasted. I just don't want you to protect me or Palmar... | ||
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There certainly are a few ones that would be plausible but I'd like to know if you know at least one of them. I know a confirmed role and he knows my role and probably is smart enough to figure me out However it's not what you claimed. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:30 Palmar wrote: Dude, let's talk about it in our mason quicktopic. Don't be an idiot. stop it and tell me what you're doing, right now. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: Ok people, I am gonna announce something. Who else has claimed apart from Kurumi, Toad, BM and me? we don't need more annoucements before tomorrow, thx | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:12 Bill Murray wrote: it's not a mason quicktopic it's a neighbor quicktopic or a phone network it's not masons - mason implies we know each others alignment I think palmar was talking about the thing he claimed when he claimed Two-Face. | ||
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That's the reason I don't believe a word Schworz is saying because as already mentioned, noone would claim Two-Face unless he got some way to survive the night vs Catwoman. Schworz is bullshitting. | ||
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To make sure we absorb all the hits she got? To make this clear for town. Let's just assume for one second what Schworz said is true than he knows I can't be Two-face. Now read what I posted earlier on: On February 09 2012 01:17 Toadesstern wrote: I already explained that, read the last page... But sure again: Because noone would believe a word I say if I claimed Two-Face without being unkillable. Why would Two-Face, who at least know that he himself is not a liar, claim DT to sacrifice himself just to save another DT? No matter what, even if I'd believe Schworz claim without a doubt I still couldn't say I'm 100% sure he's a DT. So best case scenario would be: 100% Chance to lose a DT and a 99% Chance to win a DT. That's not what I'd think because I know I'm not going to die but that'd be what everyone else thinks, therefore noone would believe a word I said because it's stupid. Same with claiming something else. Claiming medic to catch some bullets would make no sense at all because no medic would claim such a bullshit. There really is only a couple of possibilities:
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Tried to save Schworz, apparently he does not want to be saved. At least the "Catwoman can't kill me" was not a lie. Again he probably is going to be shot by catwoman unless she already pm-ed her actions for tonight, but medic protection is not helping against Catwoman so whatever... | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:29 rgTheSchworz wrote: Toad, you are CW or a VT|Vet, whos playing stupid. Leaning towards CW atm, because you claimed at a point where some claims happened and sneaking in the ,,blues,, as a VT|Vet makes a tiny bit of sense, but not much, as there were a ton of targets for scum and CW. you fucked up big time with your DT claim. I tried to get the best out of it with the limited powers I got. There was no reason for you to tell people I'm not Two-Face unless you want to die yourself. | ||
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Than again I feel like he did that on purpose. He claimed that both of us are allowed to pm each other. He knows that I know we're not allowed to pm each other and he knows there's no Two-Face-shared-QT for both of us. So it would have been incredible easy to call him out on that and I did a couple of pages ago. Read my posts again given what you now know. Why should mafia Palmar want to claim that? There's still a bunch of possibilities for that to be plausible, so I'd like to hear about that tomorrow or tonight if you're afraid to be shot Palmar. | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:47 Tobberoth wrote: How can you know all the details of the Two-Face PR if you aren't Two-Face? It's like you decided not to claim it anymore, but you're still acting like you're TwoFace. I don't know shit about Two-face. But I know that Palmar never pm'ed or masoned me. | ||
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Read the thread and you'll understand ... | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:57 kitaman27 wrote: It doesn't matter. He is not town: He has lied twice already. We should hold him accountable by his own standards. yeah idk, especially the fact that there was no need to fakeclaim himself after I already did that worries me the most. I look forward to an explanation from palmar tomorrow. | ||
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On February 09 2012 07:05 Slardar wrote: Actually it fucking is, because in the OP it writes "there will be tweaking", but unless this was brought up in the thread nobody would know when there was tweaking. Don't you think that effects the game balance? How are people fucking supposed to play without knowing all the rules? Are you trolling me or what? it's not an open set-up. You apparently don't know all the rules, it's simple as that. We only know which basic roles there are and that's it. We don't have example role-PMs for a reason. At least with all those people claiming bullshit it seems like it's for a reason. Just look at games where people don't even know what roles are in the set-up in the first place. They turn out to be hilarious as well. | ||
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Sadly I can't tell you if I got hit tonight because mechanism of being immortal doesn't tell me if I get hit. Maybe I got hit by mafia, maybe I got hit by a vig, maybe I got hit by thirdparty. I would have survived all those yesterday and given the flips I'm going to survive them again tonight. So it's another night of immortality but I don't know if I used that power. | ||
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I mean I told you to not protect Schworz because catwoman shoots through your protection making it useless but apparently you didn't listen to me and mafia was so confused about this bullshit that they just hit him yesterday or he's straight up lying. Care to tell us what happened according to you? | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I thought you fake claimed. So you're not two-face but you are immortal? Did you "hire" somebody? You might know what I'm talking about. stop it please | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why? You claimed two-face and immortality, I don't understand which parts of your claim were real and which were fake. If you are indeed immortal then that's interesting to me because I know about that but I'm not sure that there is more than one immortal role in the game. All it would do is confirm you as town to me. If you're town scum already knows that so what's the harm in answering? I'm not going to out who you are. fine... yes I hired someone. Yes it's probably you, yes I am pretty sure I know your role by know. You blueslipped several times and now you've proven it to me (again) because you apparently know my role-pm given your most recent post. That's the reason I am afraid of Schworz. If what I picked up is right DocH is confirmed to me, yet Schworz tells me that DocH is red For future references: Slipping once is enough. That way you make sure the guy who is supposed to read it gets it and you watch out for anything that might fit together. Also I shot Kenpachi because I wasn't sure what to do yesterday. Was about to shoot either Sheth, Opz or Kenpachi and figured there's probably a bunch of people who want to shoot Sheth, radfield said opz gets another day so I figured it's not like shooting Kenpachi is something that could go horribly wrong. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote: Could be that DocHis bullshitting and picked something up what I breadcrumbded day1 as mafia as well but I don't think so. EBWOP The breadcrum I am referring to is this one: Although I backed out later to make it look "normal" | ||
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Unless you give me a good damn reason for what's going on. It's either Schworz who's lying or DocH who's lying. From what I see DocH is almost 99% not lying. That leads me to my question: Why the fuck are you lying Schworz? Or am I misinterpreting something right now? Why are you still alive although you claimed Two-Face and noone else did? Whatever is going on, it's not making sense and I'd say he's Catwoman or a mafia with the mightiest balls of steel I ever saw. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:47 Tunkeg wrote: There is a third choice and that is that DrH is an Insane inmate. nope he's not | ||
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On February 08 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred? I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden. He KNOWS, that some powers have a second aspect to it, therefore he believes my claim. I still think he just understood what I was doing from the very beginning because I lied as little as possible and got a shitload of breadcrumbs in my fakeclaim to make sure the guy who knows my role is knowing what I'm doing. Apparently that guy is DocH. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:57 Tunkeg wrote: He said he was blue, thats a claim. Halfass claims sucks. You also say: Well, scum might have gotten a couple or all roles description, so him knowing might as well mean he is scum. Or it could mean absolutely nothing, just a lucky guess from him. that's why I said I'm 99% sure he's not lying. I breadcrumbed earlier and I quoted that recently. Maybe he picked that up as mafia and figured I am actually not bullshitting about anything I said so far. Maybe he's Blastoise from Pokemon with super awesome special powers to hide in his shells for all I know. But certainly given what he said the possibility to be just right in the first place sounds way more plausible to me. If anything he could claim a name later on if needed. I could tell you if it's the right now. Catching up what I said as a mafia himself is also pretty far fetched given my seemingless bullshitty claim as well. Look at what Jackal posted, he claimed fucking Santa Claus. That got to tell you how much people were reading into my claim. Still he got what I was talking about ALL THE TIME (unlike palmar) and posted the right answers all the time. Although I do not like his *winkwink* if you know what I mean *winkwink* *ehehehehe* style of doing it. I'm not retarded. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:07 Tyrran wrote: If you are a VT from now on, would you mind sharing the details of your role ? I mean, you are not 2 face, and you dont have any power anymore. You can as well share with us what you were. Beleiving DocH is 99% town doesnt help if you cant convince us. I'm not asking you to out the role of DocH obv. no I won't. I already claimed that I shot Kenpachi and that I got only 1 bullet. I don't want to give Batman any hints and tell him if he has to shoot me or not. I'd much rather see him DT me first and decide wether I'm a target or not. Especially given what Radfield keeps on saying about "joker is confirmed in our QT" I don't feel like outing my name or role is a good talent toi have. | ||
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Also remember that EVERYONE was telling Schworz his move yesterday was retarded. I was trying to catch some bullets and maybe make catwoman DT me instead. There was not a single reason why he should have claimed as Two-face. Just imagine you're a blue role that's only once in this game and about 8 players in this game (mafia + Catwoman) need to kill you outright. You think the real Two-face would step in and Counterclaim? Hell no he'd be sitting in his chair, laughing being happy and shutting the fuck up. So what he did was retarded if he really is Two-Face. What if it was not retarded? What if he is Catwoman and was calling bullshit on the duel-claim Palmar did? What if he was trying to get the liar to figure out which of actually is Two-Face and didn't think both of us are lying? Remember that everyone told him that his first claim (DT) was bullshit as well because now Catwoman would simply shoot him in the dark? Yes it wasn't the brightest move either. However, as Catwoman it makes perfect sense because he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman if he's that role himself. Unless Schworz stepps in this thread and gives the best explanation ever this guy has to die right now. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:22 Tyrran wrote: The problem is that you did not tell us beforehand who you where going to shoot. So we have strictly no rason to beleive it was you and not mafia/another vig that shot Kenpachi. AS for now , it seems that we will have to decide between lynching you/DocH or rgTheSchwortz Also, what do you think of plamar ? Do you have any idea why he also fake claimed two face ? I would have told you beforehand if Schworz didn't ruin everything. I had a post along the lines "screw it guys, you really thought I'm going to chose DT powers if I got Vig powers as well? I've chose Vig and shot Kenpachi" set up but wasn't able to do post it because of what happened. I thought shutting up would be the best idea and did not want to claim my shot at all. Apparently DocH thinks it's a good idea to make me claim so whatever. I can prove what's going on and so can DocH but I'd much rather see him lynched without telling everything I know and I'd much rather wait for his explanation before I shoot out every bit of information I got. I'm sure you'll understand that. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:28 Tunkeg wrote: I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you. nah Palmar is a liar as well and I don't know what he's up to. And I barly lied. Pretty much everything I said was true. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, we can prove it when we need to but why don't we just shut up about this until rG explains his sanity? We might die at night but it's worth it if we can lynch scum. You certainly can die. I can not :p | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:36 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Radfield ♥♥♥ hey there. Explain your shit right now | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? | ||
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because he told me his role, he told me my role he told me part of my role pm, he told me part of his role pm, he claimed right. Yeah I am inclined to believe in what docH says given that everything makes sense and he was DYING to know what I'm up to. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote: And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum". yeah I am aware that it looks like the xlviii situation all over again and I am aware that you probably are afraid that I might be pulling the same thing I did when defending annul. However I am not Yes I know his EXACT role name. Yes he is townie. I take it you really are Two-face? | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:53 Palmar wrote: Yes, but does it confirm both of you as town. I'm not talking about "yeah he's probably town because his role name is x" but "I'll jump off a fucking cliff if he's not town". If it's so, then we must by extension hang rgTheSword no matter how much I want to hang people like kita, hiro, ve or radfield or something. let's put it this way: I'm 99% sure what he is. The only possibility for him to lie is being mafia and somehow figureing out what I breadcrumbed. If you know what we two are I take it he might know if without actually being who he claims to be but unless someone steps in here explaining what's going on I doubt it. | ||
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Palmar looks like he never lied as well and really has a split personality as Two-Face. If for some reason Schworz lied and tries to kill blue roles but is Two-Face himself we lynch Palmar. easy shit | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:02 Palmar wrote: This one is on you Toad, but I guess I have a good enough town read on you to trust you. This means you better know what the fuck you're doing. rgTheSword did not claim anything but "guilty". I thought almost all TL Detectives always received both the role and the alignment? Usually they're called Cops if they don't. your first paragraph doesn't matter. What Schworz claims to be is simply not possible. | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:04 Tunkeg wrote: So this is not some unclever scumplan having you and Toad shitting all over this thread trying to confusing us with stuff the we have no chance in verifying and little reason to belive in? trust me. Worst case scenario: I am mafia alongside with DocH and we sacrifice the two of us to get Two-Face lynched. The moment he flips we're both dead. Doesn't sound that scary. | ||
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His role has a phrase along the lines You are sane, you get right results but you're a dick. You have to use your power every night, you have to claim what you found out that night in the thread and that claim has to be the opposite of what you found out That's literally everything I could think of and if that's the case I'm going to punch BC after this game. If he's insane he'd know it himself. If he's a rolecop he'd know his blue role and not guilty which isn't making sense either. + Show Spoiler + You know I once played poker with my friends and someone had a bad pokerface, everyone knew he got shit and someone said "oh come on, don't be sad just because you got 47". The guy gave him the weirdest look ever and yelled at him "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, STOP LOOKING IN MY CARS". Essence of this story: Most hilarious story ever, he completly guessed out of the blue. If I did that right now calling Schworz's secret power I wouldn't punch BC, I'd be rolling on the floor laughing. Honestly | ||
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Yet noone claimed a secret power of our roles :p | ||
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I'm going to know what I am allowed to claim and what not sometime soon I guess. What happened yesterday should not be a problem because it was a fakeclaim and surely I am not "immortal" :p | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:42 ico wrote: what is this then Toad? And screw you for making me sift through nine pages of filter at page 70 that's a fakeclaim. I may fakeclaim whatever I want. | ||
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Also I'm not really immortal. Who would put an unlynchable, unkillable power role in this game. | ||
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Yes I didn't care if he gets shots because there was no way for me to make stick with my fakeclaim at that point in time, | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote: Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:02 Palmar wrote: toadesstern/doch: Assuming mafia got the role description of some/all blues. Is it possible that one of you could be mafia and abusing the fact they know the role description to fool the other? yes it would be possible if they got my role PM as well or the one I suspect doc to be. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote: OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote: I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:04 Toadesstern wrote: yes it would be possible if they got my role PM as well or the one I suspect doc to be. oh actually no it's not possible because someone would read what DocH and I posted, would know himself that we're talking about his role if DocH was a mafia impersonating someone. That guy would counterclaim, I would know DocH is a liar and Schworz was right all along and we'd lynch DocH. So far nothing like that happened. Maybe Catwoman, Batman or the GF get to know the rolePM of those people they impersonate but still, we'd had a counterclaim within the next 24hours, so let's look out for that one. | ||
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If we don't have a counterclaim in 24 hours we probably have to lynch Schworz. However, people tend to be stupid, so maybe the guy does not know what I'm talking about (if you aren't 100% certain you know what I am doing and it has something to do with you, you don't say a word. I don't want another claim that got nothing to do with me). That means at that point in time I'll be yelling a name. It's going to be a specific role name, not a role. If there's still no counterclaim after a bunch of hours we lynch Schworz. If there is we lynch DocH. Sounds reasonable? | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:36 Forumite wrote: I want to know if there are any Town reasons for him doing what he did. If there is no Town reasons then I must assume there are scum reasons. Messing up happens, at least we didn´t loose a Blue because of it, but we could have. Toades, I don´t care who, just tell me, do you have a read on a Two-Face that isn´t Schworz? Palmar's Two-Face isn't he? Also you yourself said there's no reason for Schworz to claim Two-Face after I claimed two-face yesterday. Yet you keep telling me you want to lynch me because I fucked up (still doubt it) but you're totally fine with Catwoman (Schworz) claiming Two-Face? | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nope. I just said there's no chance that rG is insane without knowing about it. He hasn't commented on the matter. Toades, do you think it would be fine to say we're both the same person for the purposes of the town understanding without getting modkilled? what are you talking about? I don't need to claim, it's enough to claim your name and you don't need to claim your special power. If you pick the right name that's fine with me and I'll confirm it. This is going to be so hilarious and see massive amounts of shitstorm comming. | ||
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I am literally as confused as you guys are right now. I did not see anything of this bullshit comming and I don't understand anything palmar, Schworz or DocH did. Well I understand what DocH did but you don't have to rub it into peoples faces. To get another topic discussed: I still think sheth, Hori and opz all make good lynch targets for today if we leave what's happening around me for a second and think about alternatives. | ||
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I'd like to see all of those 4 dead. | ||
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On February 09 2012 21:02 Tunkeg wrote: Yes, wait with your claim. And for the veterans in this games (or whoever it is that consider themself the top of the pops in here). If DrH claims by name, and he claims a role someone else allready have. Should there be counterclaim? The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either: A) Save himself (best scenario for himself) B) Draw out another blue before he dies. To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this. I'll tell you after his claim. If it's the right name yes we need a counterclaim asap if there's one. If it's a wrong claim I don't want a counterclaim. | ||
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On February 09 2012 21:22 Tunkeg wrote: Not to offend you, but I was hoping someone with more authority would answer. I think your answer here is the worst answer to the question, giving a counterclaimer potentially very little time to decide what is the right thing to do. If DrH claims a name someone else have they know he is scum/third party. My take on it is that if DrH is doing this and he aren't going to the gallows the one actually having the role should counterclaim and see to it that it happends. But I do see the downside to this, another blue getting drawn out. Thats why I want the town to reach a consensus about this, so that we can avoid more suboptimal townplay. if he's telling me a wrong name I might want to lynch him outright, so no need to get another blue in the open and get himself killed because he's counterclaiming. If he's picking the right name we need a counterclaim if there's one available and it's not a bad move to make for that role. | ||
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On February 09 2012 21:10 Forumite wrote: I agree about Hiro and Sheth, they need to die. more thoughts on this one? We need to keep discussing about something else to get some information... | ||
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It clearly states that he can kill one of the people he called. That is: He can call one of the 13 people. I killed Kenpachi, Slardar is not on his list and I doubt that he shot himself. Maybe he shot someone on that list and he survived for whatever reason but none of the flips belongs to Jackals power. | ||
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However the only downside is that I really could give him that nooby card. Let's put it that way: I'd say he's going to flip 50 out of 100 times mafia. 35 out of 100 tmies Catwoman and 15 out of 100 times something else that doesn't make sense at all. Guess I should have shot sheth or opz yesterday instead of kenpachi and trusted myself... Also I don't think I am in danger, even if we nameclaim. Mafia hits can be blocked after all even if I become mortal again. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul. yeah because that's the only reasonable explanation I guess. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You'll get that soon enough. If you read my filter really closely you'll know anyway. yeah I've got that as well | ||
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If he flips anything but tyger (miller would be okayish as well) we lynch Radfield. gg no re. I don't think it's that unlikely that someone would have protected radfield. He's a vet after all. Bitches love protecting vets. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:11 Radfield wrote: Nope How bout you explain to me why after reading the Schworz/Toad/DocH situation you came out with the conclusion of lynching DocH. Sheth is mafia. Lynching him does way way more than lynching Schworz. Yes, if we leave him alive another day he can kill someone, but that's not a huge deal. There is also the chance that Sheth is a miller, but I highly highly doubt it because A) Two millers got flipped last night and B) Sheth has been super scummy all game. If the early game option is lynching mafia or 3rd party, you ALWAYS lynch the mafia. End of story. yeah but there's only 5 people in here being able to protect themselves from catwoman attacks ;( I'm scared of my little townies But okay I'll trust on on this one. After all it gives me shitload of information on you, andI wanted to shoot sheth yesterday and shot Kenpachi instead to not screw the game because I wasn't trusting my reads anymore after the CC lynch so I agree, sheth would even without your claim be an okayish lynch. ##Vote Sheth | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So I shouldn't be worried? Are you sure? no need to be worried right now. I'd say you might end up being his counterpart lol | ||
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Nothing I'm too worried of to be honest. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:27 Palmar wrote: Despite having a confirmed third party in Radfield (which one are you?) I think we need to kill sheth. Even with a town-sided kill that goes through protection, I might be roleblocked, and I'll certainly die tonight (unless this guy is batman) + Show Spoiler + But seeing as it's a 50% chance it's Radfield... meh. Just remember that if he's Catwoman, he NEEDS to die. I guess you can let batman slide once I'm dead since his win-condition is 100% the same as towns, so you've simply got an unkillable DTVigilante. It wasn't a terrible idea for me to claim day 1. In fact, if Radfield is batman, it would be extremely good for me to claim day 1, since he can just kill me, and thus town has unkillable Radfield as DT/vigilante whose sole mission is to kill the mafia godfather... That's pretty ridiculously overpowered for town. I just didn't do it because I couldn't count on BC having put non-shit players in the 3rd party roles. read Radfields filters. There's multiple batman slips in there. read Schworz's filter. That shit doesn't make sense at all unless he his catwoman who claimed to see what's happening with the both of us and our claims. I don't see a reason why why should belive rad to be Catwoman at this point in time. | ||
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there were some people requesting logs from that QT and people (like Rad) said it's to dangerous to do that because the Joker is claimed or know within the walls of that mighty QT if I am correct. If you think Rad is batman and you know Rad is able to read and post there as well, is that guy who is supposed to be joker already one of the victims of yesterday? Or is he still alive? Also would you agree that it's to dangerous o link logs? | ||
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Totally anti-town Jackal (if you're still reading). | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:50 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is Poison Ivy. Unkillable by CW and he claimed Two-Face. CW's hit was like 99% on Schworz, because of reasons Radfield has given. This goes with hit on You and suspicion. How else would You like to explain his action? Poison Ivy Medic blabbering about You being scum? and you don't think poison Ivy might be a little scared that at LEAST one of palmar or myself DIDN'T actually fakeclaim? There was litereally no reason to pull that move after I said I can't be killed by CW. He had to know I've got to be a VET (or whatever) and didn't need to protect me or palmar. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:53 risk.nuke wrote: Okey to clarify. * Someone posted under your name in the qt. * During this you claimed you hadn't been invited to the qt. * Jackal claims he had invited you to the qt. * You claim you are in the qt now. makes perfect sense to me. | ||
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Schworz = Catwoman who tried to find out if I am the liar or if Palmar is the liar. Sadly both of us only wanted to protect Catwoman. If you don't believe that's enough of explanation think of his first DT claim. He claimed DT without a reason. Everyone told him that it's a stupid move and he did not have to do that because he painted a huge red (blue if you want) cross on his head for catwoman to help her aiming. Now if you take into account that he might be catwoman that move makes perfect sense. As Catwoman he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman, he's not even afraid to be shot by mafia and maybe it gets someone out there claiming Two-Face, like it did. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why does he claim he found me guilty then? As far as I know CW can't get a wrong check. He makes more sense as Batman on day 2 He makes more sense as Catwoman as day 1 He makes sense as bad playing scum on both, or insane dt on both yeah mafia makes sense as well. I already said it's like something like this imo: 50% mafia flip, 35% CW flip, 15% WTF-flip You're clayface after all. She can't kill you, maybe that's why she wants you to get lynched. Maybe she shot someone, (you could be an option, don't know if she's not able to kill you at all or if it takes her 2 hits), maybe she shot slardar idk. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:06 Palmar wrote: So yeah, feel free to kill rgTS during the night, but we're lynching Sheth. duh, you can't shoot Catwoman. I simply doubt that he'd have the balls to pull that off as mafia. | ||
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Batman has no problem at all leaving a joker alive that is activly hunting and shooting at hugo himself. That's the best thing that could happen to batman and once hugo died he'll just use a single night action to kill Palmar. Easy win for Batman. | ||
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At least we got our little thing running. We only need to invite a secret language that noone else knows and we could start masoning each other in the thread. Too bad jayjay didn't turn out to be Clayface. I could have simply spoken fancy german in this thread that not even needledick understands. | ||
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hey, did you get that? *winkwink* Just to confirm this another time, read that post *winkwink* style. As already mentioned I'm not retarded and don't need those winks :D | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:34 Jayjay54 wrote: what about clayface hidden stuff. you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller. he'd know that himself because there would something telling him you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller. in his role pm. Apparently it's not. And I don't see how lynching a bunch of mafias is a bad idea forumite. What's up with you? Not to mention that a "He is Batman" read is WAAAAY harder to do than a "he is not town read". You're telling us to lynch someone we think might end being batman. What happens if palmar and I am wrong about this? Yeah it makes sense and it looks like Rad is batman but I'm not going to jump off a cliff if he's not to quote what palmar said. If lynching palmar turns out bad we're screwed BIG TIME. There is NOT A SINGLE reason to lynch radfield right now given his claim. | ||
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That's where the interesting part happens Schworz: clicky! You only need to read that page and the next one I think. | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:09 Jayjay54 wrote: toad: yup my german friend <3. alright. let's play what lurker is scummy, anybody in? Here are the candidates: Opz) I somehow think he's blue. Why? No real reason. But I think he is. Scum Rating: 25%. Katina) 0 content, one liners. Also newbish vibe. SR: 50% COINFLIP, where's two face if you need him Evantrees) puts a little effort in. maybe too little. still SR: 30% jaybrunage) doc made a small case on him and I agree, he didn't really contribute and has one scummy vibe post.I'd go with SR:: 75% Hiro) compared to his blue play last game he doesn't do shit. Only explanation I have is scum: SR: 85% (Sheth): yea we got that covered, I have no reason to believe Rad lies. SR: 94% mkay. I think opz would be a really nice hit. more like 75% SR for me Katina: idk, 50% tops? maybe 30-50%. I don't get that much of a noob feeling. At least not like someone playing for the first, 2nd or third time. Evantress: Agree jaybrundage: idk Hiro: about 75% as well I'd say, maybe a little more yeah | ||
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We'll lproceed to ynch both of you to know who's the liar. preferable starting with you but a 1:1 trade is nice for town. If you're not counterclaiming we're lynching a blue powerrole with Schworz tomorrow, that's way worse and without your counterclaim he could get out that lynch telling us schworz did bullshit. So if you're out there Clayface, you know who I am and who know that I'm not bullshitting. If there's no counterclaim Schworz will die tomorrow. The only possibility for DocH to not be what he says to be is being a role that knows the role-pm of other people. That sounds pretty stupid but since it's not an open set-up I can't exclude that, but as mentioned in that case he fakeclaimed and there should be another clayface out there. | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:28 rgTheSchworz wrote: we're lynching a blue powerrole with Schworz tomorrow. And why you want to lynch a blue? You're supposed to lynch scum goddamnit we're lynching a blue powerrole if there's another clayface out there and that guy is not willing to counterclaim. If there's noone else being clayface than you're not a blue powerrole. @ tunkeg: I looked as well and wasn't able to find it either lol. I want to know that as well I have no idea what he's talking about. | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:41 Jayjay54 wrote: That reminds me. Maybe he wasn't protected. he made sure everybody understands that he can't be roleblocked and nobody else has to protect jackal. Then gets roleblocked. Are you fucking kidding me? he's not a medic and tried some stupid bullshit. | ||
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It's your choice to either trust me or trust believe I'm fakeclaiming again. | ||
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On February 10 2012 15:54 rgTheSchworz wrote: Catwoman/Batman got all the role PM s in the game. They are not playing without info. Therefore Toad is 90 %CW, not town. He set up this thing with DocH, who probably is Clayface. Toad, if you are town, please aswer this: Do you know anything about Harley Quinn? Scum aren t being very active and are probably confused themselves right now. If Sheth flips red, it would certainly explain some things. Even better if he flips Strange. I don't know a thing about Harley Quinn and I am not CW. | ||
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On February 10 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I think my only hope is that chaoser and kitaman are town this game. Otherwise I think this is a town loss. pretty sure if that's how it is we already auto-lossed Don't know about kita yet but I'd say chaoser is mafia tbh. | ||
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We almost lynched sheth d1, they've got to know that we're probably going to lynch sheth even without a DT check, why should mafia want to know what role sheth is when he's going to flip d2 anyways, if he get's lucky it's maybe d3 instead because something weird happend ( :p ). I am just not scared at all that Radfield could be mafia right now. What scares you the most would be the most lucky and at the same time most weirdest shit I've ever seen from a mafia. And I've seen annul dayvigging townies as a mafia to prove that he's not a mafia (that one still cracks me up everything I think about it :D ), so I've seen quite a bit of weird mafia moves. | ||
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Here's the deal: I'm either giving some information to a vet that is not involved into this whole bullshit and at the same time not behaving stupid right now (by exclusion that leaves us with kita) OR I'm going to ask a bunch (idk, maybe 4?) yes or no questions directed at Schworz. So whoever is here firsts gets to give me advice considering the Schworz issue because I'm having troubles there right now. | ||
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Did you really check DocH yesterday? I want an honest answer on this one. Just a yes or a no. | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:05 rgTheSchworz wrote: How can I give you the answer without giving anyone else the answer? you can give the answer to everyone I don't care but I need to know if you checked him yesterday. Just write yes or no in the thread and I hope for your safety that you're telling the truth. | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:09 rgTheSchworz wrote: No. ok you did not check him. I want you to tell us the name of the guy you checked. Not the result, not his role nothing but the name. | ||
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But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list. | ||
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that's not allowed but even if it were I'd bet you don't know a thing :p | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:40 kitaman27 wrote: You sure do like to talk about catwomen don't you :/ You've dodged the question 3-4 times now. DrH said that all dt's return role not alignment to dt checks. You gave us a alignment, but not a role. Could you please respond? You're not being very transparent right now. BM, for someone who mentioned how he couldn't wait to roll town, you sure haven't done much scumhunting. You also mentioned that you rarely read the thread as scum. It takes more than a name claim to prove you are town. @Palmar. I like a chaoser lynch too. He appeared to have something invested in the CC day one lynch, although we will have to probably wait to see if Sheth's flip makes that relevant. Kurumi, day one you claimed vigilante, but the number of possible roles you could be is running pretty thin. I think we need to revisit your name claim in the near future. Did I miss anyone who claimed a hit? Jackal - Mafia kp DrH- ?? Radfield- ?? schworz- ?? kenpachi - Harley Quinn Slardar - Penguin are you implying I am Harley Quinn? If so, why? Also I don't want to lynch Schworz tomorrow unless some really weird shit happens. I'd say he shot me or checked me because he thought I am red because of my fakeclaim. He either was afraid because I'm still alive and noone protected me or he found blue but was sure I am red. So he figured I am godfather which lead to the conclusion that DocH has to be red as well. Therefore he lied about his DT check and told us he found red in DocH. I don't know what to make of it. Either it's what I said or he's catwoman imo. | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: And even if I m not Two-Face, the real Two-face wouldnt counter-claim me. He would be so exposed to CW. nono, the real Two-Face is immortal! :p | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you think it's the case with all 3? you know what I was referring to. On February 11 2012 01:57 Jayjay54 wrote: You claimed a hit right? maybe rG shot you. either way, this behaviour is not pro town. maybe maybe maybe bad town. but much more likely scum. Jackal shot DocH. DocH is the only one within the circle of people who are either dead or claimed a hit and at the same time are on the gay-phone-session. Jackal can only shoot people on his gay-phone-session. He called me a liar and maybe found out what was meant to be for docH. Anyways I'm pretty sury Jackal shot DocH. | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. yeah that's what I'm afraid of. I still think he's not Two-face for a good damn reason. Apparently some people claim to do the same. I'd say he's a coinflip by now: He's either going to flip red/catwoman (I doubt red) or he's going to flip a some bullshit like a DT or VET or VT that thought it's a good idea to make up a DT check (I'd say that makes VET or VT more likly) on someone he thinks is 99% sure mafia to roll with his Two-Face claim to protect the real two-face and wifom the shit out of catwoman (if it's not him). I simply doubt that he knew I was about to retract my claim on d1, same about palmar. I thought neither of us got the balls to claim rightfully Two-Face and he might jump in and help us protecting the right Two-Face but he had to do that with passon and a good reason which ironically made palmar and me retract our claims. SOOOO to sum it up he might flip worst DT ever, he might flip VET/VT who tried to help but didn't think palmar and I am going to retract because he thought we lied as well OR he's going to flip Catwoman/red. While all town options together are as likely as the not town option I guess. I still don't know what to make of it. If I had a DT who found a blue and fakeclaimed a red-check because he's sure his own read is right without a doubt I'd straight up lynch the guy nevertheless because I'd say he's still a mafia who's just making up bullshit. | ||
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There's several slips he did that are telling me he 100% sure got a DT power. So I'd personally say it's catwoman but I won't talk about that for now. | ||
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He just did not think that I was telling the truth at all. There's 2 things I thought:
Guess what. I got those balls. Remember my first ever game as mafia wbg? I fucking claimed medic you protected a confirmed mafia n1 because I thought it's the best move to not protect people like palmar / syllo / rad. I was a doctor in that game. Yes that's true, I claimed that as MAFIA and you don't think I've got the balls to claim what I claimed yesterday as Two-Face?. Trust me I got the balls and apparently everyone thought I'm a stupid vet n1 who tried to catch a bullet. Schworz I guess I know what you did n1 and I don't want you to talk about it. I thought you're a vet who tries to safe Two-Face as well and figured "well whatever" and that's why I retracted my claim. Everyone already thought I was a VET myself at that point in time. And now you don't talk about this issue any more schworz, deal? | ||
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hero Laya Risk Opz forumite Sheth Chaoser Agree much or not at all? I'd say there's errors in there but I'd say it's looking quite accurate tbh. Haven't looked into jaybrundage, evantrees, -.-qualis, Katina and Adam yet. So if idk about those people. I still don't know what to think about VE but honestly the fact that I haven't found a thing that makes me think he is scum yet worries me a little. Maybe I'm getting better at judging him or he's really looking at what he's posting. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote: Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:13 Palmar wrote: the entire premise for changing from sheth to chaoser is sheth is not scum. I think we're looking at something more along the lines of Chaoser, Kitaman27, Hiro Protagonist, Forumite, VisceraEyes and maybe jayjay? or katina? i know. That's the reason I said there's errors in there but I don't really want to think of sheth as a townie either. However if sheth were to flip mafia today I'd still want to lynch Chaoser. Not sure about the opposite. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:18 chaoser wrote: I looked through your filter and the first time you mention me at all is: 7 Hours ago. Definitely not since day 1. And you never give any justification for it. You've been pretty vocal with your other mafia reads since day 1 though. This is definitely a ninja vote. I'm only vocal about the ones I want to get lynched right now. I figured it's not a bad idea to give my orange and red reads out and ask people about them now because I'm still immortal and hey, it gives something to discuss. Or since I am not making sense to people they can at least look at my list and tell if they look me from what I put on that list. Also I'm checking my filter right now, give me a second. | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote: that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know. But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list. How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:27 chaoser wrote: You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did. I told you I don't talk about all my red reads vocally. I only talked about those I thought might be viable d1. That was CC / laya for me. I did not mention you d1 because I saw no need to do so. Doesn't stop me from putting you on my super secret list anyways. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote: my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz: How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p | ||
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What's the problem? You're making it look like a ninja-voted (which I did not!) 10 seconds before deadline. I changed my vote because I thought Chaoser is mafia as well and I'm fine going after the big fish. You're making it look like I'm lying when I said that I thought chaoser is mafia as well. What's the big deal about that? Think I'm trying to get towncred telling people I KNEW ALL ALONG HE'S MAFIA afterwards? Oh guess saying that is not a good idea is it? If you end up mafia I am one of the guys who swapped early which is not a problem for me. If you end up town I do see a problem with your logic because obviously I can't go for towncred if I am lynching a townie now can I? | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:45 chaoser wrote: You talked about layabout and C_C A LOT. We ended up lynching CC. How is that contradicting ANYTHING I SAID. Again I am vocal about those people I think might end up being an option for our lynch. CC ended up lynched. Yes I was wrong about him but what's the deal there? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=509&topic_id=305850 You even say: So while you were able to make big posts about people on D1 when there was "so little to analyze", you're unable to write anything big on me even though you promised "big fancy cases" on D2? Sry I was busy figuring the shit out that I created yesterday. I was talking with / about Schworz a lot and that had absolute priority for me and I'm still not sure what to think about him lol ok. | ||
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Just cut these things out no matter if they're supposed to be funny or not. Mods don't really tend to like that. | ||
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9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. That's what I'm talking about. Stop it, I don't want to have modkills, kkthxbye | ||
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On February 11 2012 05:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'm reading everything, and like I said, I think lynching me is optimal at this point. We'll get to either kill radfield or I'm a miller. You will find out a lot from this, and before I die I'll give you all my reads on everyone. Please at least take the time to read them. I know you can do it town, keep in mind those who push for lynches, but not because they look scummy. (I feel like this is the best way to find the third party and you can then tell them apart from mafia as well). did you see the picture layabout did? You could make a picture like that as well or make an excel sheet with 31 names, and give everyone a different color. I'm not going to link you my sheet but I can show my explanation on the right side + Show Spoiler [click me!] + Those blue things are obviously something you should leave out. They're for me to keep track of all those blue slips to figure out why someone is doing something. However telling mafia who blueslipped is not a useful talent toi have so just use green for those people like they never said a word about blues. That would be pretty useful and a little text for everyone if you want to do that as well. Not a huge essay/case but maybe one or two phrases. If someone is a null just leave them white or whatever. Also I don't think telling us your green reads is bad at this moment because we're lynching you for a reason but if you don't want to tell mafia who's your strongest green read (they might kill him just because of that the next night) just use the same color for everyone you think is green, no matter if he is "slighty leaning green" or "confirmed green" in your opinion. | ||
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On February 11 2012 05:45 layabout wrote: Why would a townie ever need to speculate about who is town aligned and blue? Only mafia/3rd party need to find town blues. Town need to find scum. I do that all the time to understand why someone is doing something. Also I don't want people to trust fake-claim medics who is telling everyone "noone but me needs to protect Jackal because I'm an unroleblockable medic" and because of that our blue roles get slaughered. | ||
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On February 11 2012 05:53 Jayjay54 wrote: you have a 11 color scheme in an 31 player game? neat well it's only 7 without gray and blue (I added those after the big shitstorm) and in reality those "confirmed" colors never get used at all. That's like a 10.0 score at platform diving. Sure it may be possible in theory but there's noone claiming mafia in this thread. Those are mostly for my "dead people and flips"-list. | ||
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On February 11 2012 07:18 jaybrundage wrote: If Rg is not dead tonight i think we should lynch him. He has distracted the town and done a great job with it lied about alot of things. If there any redeeming town in his play at all I dont see it. Disagree for several reasons: 1) Don't say those things. If he ends up town mafia just won't shoot him at all, get a free kill and another 3 free night kills because they know he's not mafia and that we're going to lynch him wasting another day. You're basicly forcing our vigs to shoot him and I don't like the way you're doing it. 2) He could end up flipping town. I was wrong saying there is literally no possibility. I think he called bullshit on me and made that DT check up because he got the conclusion that it's the right thing to do for whatever reason. I could see a couple of reasons for that and he did not answer my question but I realised that if my guess was wrong and he would have told me an answer that is not my name he's activly telling me another blue role when he's actually not sure I am town at all. I did not think of that possibility at all. Massive fail on my side and actually nice he figured it out lol. So not telling me what he did yesterday is bad for me because I still am not sure what happened but it's reasonable in his situation if he really is a townie. I'd say we wait for d3 before we start talking about schworz again. We desperatly need information, for that reason I disagree with Palmar and I now agree that lynching sheth is better than lynching Chaoser altough I only voted sheth back than because there was no way to get chaoser lynched instead. However the fact that chaoser wants me to lynch sheth so badly is troublesome for me, maybe he's bussing his buddy idk. If sheth flips (true)-VT we lynch Radfield. Everything else is up for discussion once we see the flip imo. | ||
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I'd say he's a DT that is not Two-face and found something that's not fitting with his reads and therefore made up another read the concluded out of the first one because the first one somehow made him think someone is mafia. | ||
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On February 11 2012 07:35 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say he's a DT that is not Two-face and found something that's not fitting with his reads and therefore made up another read the concluded out of the first one because the first one somehow made him think someone is mafia. that is of course, only if he's not red/catwoman. | ||
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On February 11 2012 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad - what are your thoughts on the following people? Opz, Palmar, chaoser, WBG and hiro protagonist? mafia, thirdparty or blue, mafia, town, mafia. I might be wrong on palmar but If I am I am wrong on most of my reads I guess and will know soon enough. | ||
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On February 11 2012 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote: well I am retarded we all know that. Radfield is confirmed "not-mafia" for now. It could be possible that he's mafia and knew that we're going to lynch sheth anyways, therefore he faked a DT-check on someone he knew the result to get towncred himself buuuuut I don't really the a reason for that scenario to happen yet. I'd say we're all happy now and live on in peace until d3. That's another big day. Still think Chaoser is probably scum and I as I mentioned I disagree with Palmars scenarios he did. Those scenarios are btw a bad thing for town to do according to my very first coach from my very verst game of mafia. Or it was my 2nd game of mafia but I'm pretty sure wbg gave me that advice because those scenarios make town derp way to much. | ||
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On February 11 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote: Talk to me Toad. I'm going to shoot you tonight. ? I just woke up, could you direct me to the post that you did? Also I don't care, I'm still immortal so if you don't want to waste that shot I'd say you shoot someone else. | ||
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What about this Palmar: I'm going to shoot Chaoser tonight and you could join me! If he gets medic protected or is a mafia vet he's done for. I really don't think your shot is unblockable at all, however I believe you when you're saying you got multiple shots because you said that a lot and I even quoted that earlier when you claimed in the first place. BM you better shoot tonight as well. I think the lists palmar and I did yesterday are both nice. Obviously mine is waaay more awesome but whatever. I could understand if you'd trust a vet instead of a guy who shot a townie n1. | ||
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On February 11 2012 18:23 Palmar wrote: You should definitely shoot Chaoser tonight. Kitaman27 isn't a terrible target either. I'm going to kill you. On a more important sidenote: I want DocH to be protected tonight. That's the most important thing for tonight. I'm gone for now visiting my big sis but we need to think of a plan how to protect him without outing our medics and at the same time make sure that the medic I called out to protect him is actually in this game. I'm considering telling you 2 names, if you're one of them you have to protect docH and he's proooobably going to have either 1 protection or 2 and I'm fine with both results. After all, he's the only confirmed townie and there still was no counterclaim. So that confirmed really is confirmed to me. | ||
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I am worried because you're about to waste a bullet on a blue role that can't die tonight instead of shooting someone else, you know someone who's scummy and all but I'd say it's more likely that you're up to something than shooting me and in the offchances that you're not I'm still fine. No reason to be worried at all. Ok that's it I'm afk for now. Will be re in about 2 hours I guess. | ||
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Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios. Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar. I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now. Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle. Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue. Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row. I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases. Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:40 Jayjay54 wrote: nice. now everything is spilled out. If scum didn't know, they know now. Might as well wrap it up for everyone. Toad was asked at one point if he "hired" someone by doc. This word apparently is in both PMs, looking at the way toad reacted. In the game Joker "hires" the past-actor clayface to carry out his jobs and to protect him. Same constellation for penguin (btw: doc, you said in your case that opz claimed penguin? was that in the qt? he sure talks about him a lot) and solomon (please don't claim). Knowing the lore, it was quite obvious that Toad is joker. Let's see if I would have lost the bet. Unfortunately, medics don't do shit against batman, doc. I can't believed, you let yourselves lead into so much brabbeling. also, rG, I am still waiting, I know you read this. ... wtf are you doing DocH. Yes I am the joker, yes I claimed Two-Face. I figured batman would not think I am joker after that n1 claim because he must have thought my immortality claim was a lie and therefore joker would never claim Two-Face because he'd simply die to Catwoman. That's all there was to it. Well and if CW shot me I would not care at all because again, except for the name (Two-Face) nothing I said was a lie. Jackal even figured it out or posted the important line while calling bullshit on me. Also Schworz knows about my role. He asked me several things that are related to my role like "DocH, Toad is tricking you because he knows the pms. Toad just answer me this one: Do you know anything about Harley Quinn?". | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Toades is the Joker, don't be stupid. he did that on purpose because he knows I'm the joker and I really am immortal. He wanted to make me look like scum so I don't get shot or whatever. idk. Also since I am the joker palmar obviously is not the joker. Which either leaves us with another VIG or with him being Batman, which makes a whole lot of sense given Palmar was so freaked out when Rad announced a shot. Remember,{b] Palmar claimed he shot Radfield[/b] and was SERIOUSLY asking wtf is going on because he thought rad should be dead by now. It's not THAT unlikely that a medic protects rad n1, is it? So Palmar really is a vig with unblockable hits or batman. | ||
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Also I'd be willing to help batman if he's not shooting Clayface. I never asked about this, idk if it takes 2 hits for batman to kill Clayface or if he's just not able to kill Clayface at all. If he wants to get to me he has to get through Clayface first. I don't want townies to get killed so let's kill hugo first kk? | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Batman can't claim. But I'm invulnerable to third party, Joker is immune to everything. The idea is that I shapeshift into Joker. If Batman hits me he will realize I'm not the real joker and his hit won't go through. I don't think Batman is informed of this, there might be more roles that have temporary or permanent protections against third party as well. As long as I am alive, Joker cannot die to ANYTHING sans lynch. He is invincible. However, if the real Joker is killed I no longer shapeshift and thus can not survive a Batman hit unless I still have my second night life. I hope that makes sense. I also return "Joker" to all DT checks as long as I'm shape shifted. Things are really tricky for Batman in this game, I'm not sure I love the balance. LOL I did not know that about the DT. That's another important piece of the puzzle. Schworz why are you accusing joker to be mafia? | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:01 Jayjay54 wrote: He can't claim batman, but he can claim all other stuff. again, a DT claim would result in RB => radfield is not third imo palmar, listen to this man. also, I would have won the bet :D well just think about my situation. What should I have said instead? "Yeah you'd probably win the bet" ? :p Still I'm not going to die tonight. I want DocH to survive this night and I'm going to kill Hugo ezpz. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:02 Kurumi wrote: Joker doesn't hire people by the way. Toad, I know what You're doing. don't tell palmar I'm Two-Face in reality. That would totally ruin everything! | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:05 Jayjay54 wrote: i know i know, but you talked way tooo much, this was meant to be kept secret. how are you killing hugo? ultimate joker skill? It's a secretz. When I said "I am a VT from now on" I lied :3 | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:07 Adam4167 wrote: What if they're both 3rd party and batman decided to shoot at catwoman. could be. Also we don't need to to talk more DocH. Kurumi clearly is town and you're behaving like Schworz n1. Batman can't kill me tonight, that's fine. The only problem here is that mafia wants to see me dead as well because an immortal confirmed townie is pretty awesome. I'd say they're going to help badman tonight and will shoot you with all they got so that batman can kill me next night. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:09 Jayjay54 wrote: i hate to repeat myself, but whatever. you would not claim dt as third, because you'll get RBed by scum. you don't want that. well with like 10 blue claimes on d1/n1/d2 I don't think he's that afraid of being RB'ed as batman, even if he claimes DT. So idk. | ||
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why should I? Batman is going to shoot me tonight, will find out I can't be killed by his shots and that's about it. Batman has all the information he needs to know. He can't kill Clayface. He's not going to lay a finger on me as long as Clayface is still alive. If DocH dies we're lynching Palmar. If both of us survive and I'm immortal for another night we're lynching someone like chaoser or whatever. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:14 Jayjay54 wrote: if I was scum, I'd RB rad right now and I believe he will be. He is the only DT who claimed and he had already a correct red check. Also, what is his motive to claim DT without having any votes on him. No, I don't believe rad is third. If that's what you believe to be true and Palmar got to be thirdparty and yeah it makes sense. I'm just not sure yet. I'd say Mafia is going to RB me tonight because they can't afford losing Hugo. | ||
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don't tell me you're the Batman and Palmar is CW. Either way I don't see a reason to say so. | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:11 Palmar wrote: we'll find out how immortal you are tomorrow toad. I think you're scum and faking it. fine with me, as long as you shoot me and won't force us to lynch clayface I'm fine with helping you. We can talk about killing me once Hugo is dead or you seriousy fear that we might win this outright (doubt that with 6 mafias alive). Also since I'm not sure if it's you, rad or Kurumi right now you shouldn't be to afraid that we're going to lynch batman to protect me. We're not going to sacrifice a couple of blues just to maybe find Batman so that Joker is saved :p | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:24 Jayjay54 wrote: eeeexcuse me? If you look through my filter you'll find like 5 posts telling toad and docH to shutthe hell up talking. You'll also find some posts where I deflect other bluehunting (layabout) by saying that this is bound to be kept secret. I just cleared everything up (e.g. why I know that this is legit) when the Doc posted that toad is joker. And I 100% agree that the joker claim is unnecessary as fuck. If you don't follow the thread, don't call others stupid. I was shutting up all the time. DocH claimed I am joker and he was the guy openly claiming palmar was a liar after palmar claimed joker. If Palmar is batman he already knew I'm batman way before DocH told everyone. And I am pretty sure Palmar knew I am joker before n1 deadline which again makes it more likely that he's not the badman. But maybe I misinterpreted something idk. | ||
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Chaoser Sheth <--- dead forumite risk.nuke opz layabout hiro Lynch these people unless you got a good damn reason not to. | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:45 Jayjay54 wrote: toad: hiro is still a good choice to me. also, why is rG not on there. his answer for how his DT claim makes sense as town was this: I don't think that's a valid explanation. he knew my identity as well. I figure he might be a DT who checked me, did not believe what he saw and came to the conclusion that I have to lie as well as docH. Maybe he came to the conclusion that it's less dangerous to fake a DT check on docH on the offchances that I actually am what he found out about me. That way he only screwed a lesser PR and not the most imba thing in this game besides Batman. I can ensure you that he got a DT-power. I however don't know what aligment he has yet. Schworzs flip would be nice for information but I'd like to lynch scum first. | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:51 Forumite wrote: Thanks. I know the list is incorrect on at least one point, but still good to know the reads of another Townie. I have a strong Townread on precious few, and you and DocH are two of them. Radfield, is he and Palmar scum, bussing Sheth, or is Radfield a DT who was rolechecked by Palmar during the night? btw I still got a townread on Kita. That's like the one big difference in what Palmar and I think. I never played with kita when he's mafia so idk but he looked pretty nice d1, trying to help and I never picked something scummy up on him. Palmar on the other hand thinks we need to lynch / shoot him asap. Then again, it's Palmar and I still think I'm one of the few people who knows what's going on in his mind. | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:57 risk.nuke wrote: Yeah I agree, they need to fakeclaim one or two times and cause massive chaos to the thread and further distract the town from lynch discussion. Then I might consider them as helpfull as you. Both wbg and kita are town in my eyes. Actually not entirely sure on wbg, as been mention earlier he's legendary good at disguising himself as town when he is scum but I think he's legit. So yeah, those two are very likely town. well I guess that makes wbg a " pretty much confirmed townie" and kita a "maybe mafia" for me. | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote: Toad, I gave You a chance. why do you want to look like batman? | ||
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On February 11 2012 23:04 Jayjay54 wrote: @ toad: Still I don't see how he would not just faked the check on you...whatever. I still think the scum explanation is way better. @tunkeg: I guess I know what you mean. Fair enough. Let's stop talking about it. However, if you look through my filter you'll see that I wasn't bluefishing and tried to keep joker safe... @ rg: It's scumhunting not bluefishing. We don't stop calling people out because we are afraid that they might end up turning blue, we continue to hunt them if we think they are red. idk, yeah the mafia one makes sense because I think they could have checked me n1 to see what's going on but I doubt that they would have told or forced him to fake a dt check. That's even more unlikely imo. And Kurumi is trying to find out if I really am immortal. | ||
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On February 11 2012 23:11 rgTheSchworz wrote: Whole advantage from this confusion is that we might actually have more information than scum now. Kita has been writing things such as these Either he hasnt been figuring out things or he doesnt want the joker to fire. I dunno, but vig targets do abound and we do have a shitton of vigs anyway. Also, he has dissapeared d2 and n2. Seems suspicious to me. I'd say radfield did not think I'm the joker and thought DocH is the joker because he apparently claimed that in that gay-phone-session. | ||
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On February 12 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote: I never lie. me neither | ||
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Nevertheless he tried to defend me. I don't want to lynch him, not before 4 or 5 other people die. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [click me!] + On December 05 2011 23:21 Palmar wrote: Do you have an issue with lynching Drazerk? On December 05 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote: Isn't Glory a reason? when asked what's going on he kept saying he trusts his bro soap, claimed Dayvig and forced someone to post his spreadsheet or else he's going to get dayvigged within an hour. That guy claimed dayvig as well and while palmar was bullshitting the other guy (V7) turned out to be a real dayvig and straight up shot Soap After that accident palmar was forced to play normal again because people (mainly mafia) were telling people not to trust palmar anymore as long as he keeps bullshitting around and noone was listening to him in that game although he straight up found a mafia on d2 which never got lynched until he claimed mafia openly in the thread. Palmar was Town that game Palmar Town in L: He got lynched day1 by BC for trolling / not caring and ended up being town. I don't really want to search that big of a game right now for posts that proves what I'm talking about but I'm sure most people will remember what happened. Palmar was Town that game Fancy Conclusion: I do agree he's trolling WAY MORE this game but saying palmar doesn't troll as town is a straight up lie. He cares for town if he's town but lately he started doing stuff d1 like I approached it this game: As long as someone else people are listening to is pushing the right buttons there is no need to pull a p4n on us, bomb the thread with 20 different cases and yell why I am right and not the guy presenting case X. As mafia he's not even reading the thread. That proves that he's not mafia this game but could very well end up being 3rd party or blue. However, I don't see a reason to lynch him yet. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:20 Palmar wrote: If you're batman, read this. This is how you can help us win the game, and we can help you win the game. Sounds like he agrees with me. If he is batman that means he's not going to get DocH killed first. | ||
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On February 12 2012 03:57 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is not Two-Face. And Toad is not Joker, or whoever he damn claimed. bugs doesn't think I've got the balls to do that and I kind of can understand thinking that way. Speaking of bugs. Where is he? I thought he's town because he's behaving so stupid but he hasn't shown up for ages. He should have walzed in this thread calling me a retarded liar who's just trying to pull of the same trick I tried to pull of n1 with Two-Face instead of claiming joker by now. | ||
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I'm willing to lynch him later on but for now we'Ve got bigger fish in the pool and that fish is chaoser. We can still go after schworz later on. What he did does not make sense from a mafia perspectiv neither does is make sense from a town perspective. A mafia however get's coaching from his allies. So it's not mafia imo. That leaves me with either BM-townish or with third party. Just answer me this one wbg. Why should he claim DT who got a red check on docH and push for docH's lynch if he knew it to be wrong? | ||
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n1 "ah ok I'm going to hit either sheth or Kenpachi... Kenpachi it is" n2 "mkay, probably someone is going to hit chaoser... so let's hit opz instead". sry guys but I'm at least making analyses easier now that all those scummy people are dead. I'm like a maid, cleaning the filth around. I am totally like a lurker bane this game! | ||
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Sooooo. I'd say batman used his DT tonight and tried to find hugo or he shot me to test if I really am immortal and not bluffing. I don't get a notification if I'm shot so I can't tell you guys. That at least means we got another DT check to work with. Rad mind tell us what you found? Of course only if it's not a blue. | ||
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On February 12 2012 20:52 Jayjay54 wrote: It's not really bussing it's one (strong) case under several at the very beginning of the day. I can see that being valid as scum. he also has a case on BM who you believe is scum, right? Toad this shot wasn't really as good. yeah sry. They got a medic and with all the talk about Chaoser I figured he's probably going to be mediced. I am imba but my shots don't penetrate medic protection. Therefore it was either hiro or opz for me. The coinflip told me it has to be opz! | ||
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On February 12 2012 11:52 wherebugsgo wrote: why would he do that as town? are you thick? as scum that takes loads of pressure off his scumbuddies. If he was scum with Sheth that makes PERFECT sense. In fact, even the retraction makes sense from a scum perspective when it was obvious Sheth would not lynch. People like you are unwilling to believe he's scum now just because he's a new player and you legitimately think he could be that bad to do that as town. It makes no sense from a GOOD mafia perspective, but it certainly does from a bad one. It makes no sense at all from any kind of town perspective because it just serves to shit on town objectives. btw I take it schworz is confirmed townie for now. Noone lynch or shoot him. | ||
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On February 12 2012 21:08 Jayjay54 wrote: wow it's really easy to become confirmed town these days. 1. Every scum accuse strongly each other. 2. One scum dies. 3. ???? 4. Profit. it's wbg + Schworz man. No way he would have pushed his own teammate so hard to get towncred, especially given under how much fire he was. Maybe he wanted to bus him but than again, why should he keep doing that after I gave him a reason to stop it? Also, mafia tripplestacked Clayface (wtf?) if noone else claims a hit. I told people to medic him and I'm just going to assume people are at least from time to time listening what I'm saying, especially when I'm a confirmed blue role so I'd say he got more hits than protections. Also I shot opz, which only leaves clayface and wbg and I hardly doubt they shot wbg themselves. Of course again, only if there's no other hit claimed but it hardly matters. It's probably improving our situation. Everyone knows I am confirmed Joker. Batman knows my immortality never was a fake to begin with, he also knows I am now mortal. Mafia still has to kill me and they will. Batman sure as hell won't waste a hit on me, he can simply let mafia deal with me now that I'm mortal again and search for Hugo. Mafia hits are np to some degree because medics can save me after all. EZPZ. I'm still up for lynching people like hiro or chaoser. So far my night action record tells me to just lynch the guy who ended up being 2nd mosts legit target for my nighthit and not the guy I actually shot. Sounds like a plan to me. | ||
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On February 12 2012 21:27 Jayjay54 wrote: WIFOM. I just don't see this as a big enough town tell to justify all of falseclaims...sorry. My vote will stay there. You don't know if / how he was protected. If mafia tripplestacked there could be number from 0-2 protecting him. You also forget the possibility of scum shooting third. Chaoser was "checked" by our beloved falseclaimer. Since he didn't say otherwise, I'd say it came back blue / green. Hiro is still a good choice (since no one questions rG). the fuck? I missed the post where he said he checked chaoser. Of course falseclaim is bullshit as town, it is bullshit as no matter what. I just think if he'd mafia people would have told him not to do that. But that check on chaoser is something new. Why did he check chaoser out of all people? The only reason I believe him to be town was because I thought he checked either me or docH, found Joker and didn't believe his check, therefore jumped to the conclusion that the guy has to be godfather / third party. Which is obviously bad play. But check chaoser? If he is SO CERTAIN that clayface is red so that he makes up a fakeclaim to "prove" he's red, why did he check chaoser instead? It's not like he found something weird in chaoser and instantly goes "OMFG I found X in chaoser, therefore Toad has to be mafia which leads to the conclusion that DocH is mafia as well! I'ma goinf to make up a fake check". That makes no sense at all. I am seriously considering him again. But than again... wbg attacked him, he got coaching from good players if he ends up being red and I doubt BC would give a third party role to someone like him (no hard feeling^^). | ||
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On February 12 2012 21:40 Adam4167 wrote: Link Right here. Only happened 2 pages ago, but alas, it got spammed away. ok so it's either both are town or both a mafia isn't it? If he's mafia he could say something like that and people would say "well if he's not telling us the result it got to be a blue or green check", therefore defending his buddy after people like me said we should probably reconsider his case. HOWEVER, if he really is town the check should be true and it's really two townies... Screw, now that Clayface flipped I may present you a few posts that made me think we should reconsider schworz. Give me a second. | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:26 rgTheSchworz wrote: I want to uncover why Toad is lying. There was no other way to point out that Toad is lying except claiming. Toad chose a role that was unlikely to be counterclaimed, in the person of Two-Face. But I really do mind about it. We already talked about this. This makes no sense as Two-Face. If someone else is claiming two-face, so be it. It's not like he should care at all. I did the same when Palmar claimed Joker. He obviously was trying to defend me the whole game, same with Kurumi and they still do although I think it's kind of pointless right now. Forumite pointed it out: If he really is Two-Face he should have shut his mouth and be happy that someone else wants to take a hit or shut his mouth because someone is trying to unmask the real Two-Face. On February 09 2012 06:29 rgTheSchworz wrote: Toad, you are CW or a VT|Vet, whos playing stupid. Leaning towards CW atm, because you claimed at a point where some claims happened and sneaking in the ,,blues,, as a VT|Vet makes a tiny bit of sense, but not much, as there were a ton of targets for scum and CW. That's what I got from him a lot. If he thinks I'm either CW or a VT/VET he should have shut up, as I mentioned earlier. Now this is even worse, because it's not only talking about how it's bad to claim Two-Face but also he ADMITS, there is a good chance I'm going to be a VT/Vet trying to help. If he thinks there is a good chance that that might happen, why claim? Best-case: He outed himself as Two-Face and maybe a few people will believe that I actually am CW. I am going to shoot him, and still probably won't get lynched because again, ever CW would have hit that, not only me. Worst-case:He outed himself as Two-Face and outed a VET so mafia no longer has to shoot me. It's just not making sense from a Two-Face perspective. On February 09 2012 06:30 rgTheSchworz wrote: I m taking a stance. Toad is lying, ergo he is CW or VT|Vet. The very same thing again. "He is thirdparty or Town, THEREFORE I HAVE TO UNCOVER TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL SEE THIS".... On February 10 2012 01:05 rgTheSchworz wrote: I'm not dead because catwoman didn't shoot last night. She prolly DT'ed me thou gh. I'm Catfood tonight barring Catwoman being a lurker/inactive. Don't medic me tonite. Useless Here we go. He's not dead. Why? According to him because CW dt'ed him. So if CW dt'ed him and instead of shooting and you still stick to your Two-Face claim, why are you still alive? If she dt'ed you she should have found Two-Face and should have at least shot you BY NOW. So again Schworz, why are you still alive? On February 10 2012 01:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: Man, I perfectly understand why you would lynch sheth today. I m also up for lynching sheth, mainly because he posts fluff and irrelevant stuff. QT is full of scum. I do not fear getting lynched, anyways I know what to do Night 2. If im getting lynched because Clayface does not want to claim so be it. Medics get off me ASAP. Toad doesn t understand I ll be catfood tonight. When I flip, please lynch this liar= DocH. I understand that BM got roleblocked. I strongly trust BM at this point, I believe him to be the most town. So, 2 kills without any prot. Scum single-stacked Jackal, because they RB BM. Rad claimed hit, but I don t believe he s a vet since he claims DT. So, most likely one of our vigs hit him,else hes a Veteran. Therefore , I m inclined to think CW didnt shoot. Therefore she DT ed me. Therefore I die tonight. Bye, Bye, Bye Wait what? BM is his stronges townread? BM claimed unroleblockable medic that got roleblocked and therefore was not able to protect Jackal altough he said "NOONE PROTECT OUR BLUE JACKAL, I GOT THIS". You're telling me that guy is you're stronges townread and I am, together with DocH a bady because we're liars? What's wrong with yoou. Again he said CW obviously DT'ed him and he's still alive. On February 10 2012 15:54 rgTheSchworz wrote: Catwoman/Batman got all the role PM s in the game. They are not playing without info. Therefore Toad is 90 %CW, not town. He set up this thing with DocH, who probably is Clayface. Toad, if you are town, please aswer this: Do you know anything about Harley Quinn? Scum aren t being very active and are probably confused themselves right now. If Sheth flips red, it would certainly explain some things. Even better if he flips Strange. Tell me, how did you know that if you did not DT the joker, found out he's the joker and therefore know you've got to ask about harley Quinn? You have a DT power and you knew I am the joker all along. On February 11 2012 00:31 rgTheSchworz wrote: Toad, you re making it harder and harder for me to play. Why don t you please go through my filter, and believe me? It would make both our livesand town s job easier I think I explained my problem with beliaving a word you say in this post pretty good. On February 11 2012 01:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Fuck it, lynch me if you will, but either you re CW and trying to test me if I am Two-Face, or you play surprisingly bad as town. CW is my humble opinion. I think you thought I was extremely stupid to claim Two-Face, and you would put it beyond noobiness or whatever and FORGOT even to DT me in your efforts to appear town. So now, I am not even sure if I die tonight. Back to Toad has to be CW. Asnwer me this one: Why are you not dead if I am CW? On February 11 2012 01:20 rgTheSchworz wrote: I know I am irrelevant, Palmar, but I have a great chance of dying tonight. So, I have to post in case these are my last posts surprising you're still alive given you said that every single night. On February 11 2012 01:29 rgTheSchworz wrote: Apart from Toad being Poison Ivy, and DocH claiming Clayface, I dont ,,understand,, the Doc/Toad relationship. Seems Doc is a temporary shield for Toad or Toad s a vet himself. Now I'm poisan ivy. He knows that I know he got a DT power and wants to pull a Palmar / Kurumi on me. I could go on with posts like this: On February 11 2012 01:50 rgTheSchworz wrote: JayJay, I should be dead tonight. I have an explanation for why I am not dead already. Toad is CW, and he thought i wasn t stupid enough to have Trueclaimed. Either he DT ed me, and I m dead tonight, or he ll hit me next. but they're pretty much the same ALL THE TIME. I really don't know what to think about schworz... I really think we have to lynch him but I don't think he's the right lynch for today. | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:28 Kurumi wrote: Toad why did You shoot Opz? Thought if chaoser is a mafia he's going to be protected anyways given how much I talked about him yesterday. My 2nd and 3rd best reads were hiro + opz and the coin told me to kill opz! | ||
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On February 12 2012 23:05 rgTheSchworz wrote: Hoping I won t be wrong Kurumi. Damn you, you are Harley Quinn. Please confirm. this makes sense I'd say | ||
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I take it people know your role now as well? | ||
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On February 12 2012 23:13 Kurumi wrote: Now to the important things: We lynch into Cyber_Cheese voters D1 as Radfield suggested (that's good idea) or do we lynch Bill Murray? that was part of the reason I voted opz. He voted CC very late so I thought he might be a nice target besides being scummy. I find it hard to judge BM. | ||
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On February 12 2012 23:34 Forumite wrote: rgTheSchworz Two-Face Checked Kurumi N1 Checked Chaoser N2 Kurumi Harley Quinn Shot ??? N1 Shot WBG N2 BM Hush Protected Layabout N1 - ROLEBLOCKED Protected Layabout N2 Palmar N1 N2 - ROLEBLOCKED Toad Joker Shot Kenpachi N1 Shot opz N2 + Show Spoiler + yes I am awful, wish I had played this game because nothing makes sense to me There are lots of others, if you remember them, please add them to the list. | ||
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On February 13 2012 01:41 Jayjay54 wrote: @ forumite what are you trying to achieve? that discussion is totally without reason. You don't know how many vigs have multiple bullets, you don't know what thirds did. You also don't know how many shots were faked. Let's focus on lynch candidates rather than shots. How do you guys feel about lynching If he's batman he's not dangerous to us because he agrees with me about the joker situation and now that my protection is gone he can simply wait for mafia to kill me and doesn't need to waste a night action on me. Why should he do the dirty work when mafia can't afford to leave me alive. He never intended to shoot me I'd say. He wanted to not be RB'ed because mafia can figure out themselves they don't need to RB him if he shoots me or he wanted to make people think I'm not joker to protect me. If he's not the batman he's a blue role imo. Either way I don't want to lynch him. | ||
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On February 13 2012 03:39 rgTheSchworz wrote: Well, thing is, normally on TL medic protection are announced, aren´t they? The fact that he said shows that he did get hit. I searched the thread for similar information that you don t get the announcement that you ve been protected by a medic.Nada If Bugs was killed in one night, which is so if none of our Vigis claim, then laya´s statement must be true? Or BM and Laya are scum together and BM is Hugo. Thing about the PM s coming in late seems weird. Also why BM would protect laya? Who then protected me? I'm pretty sure I would not get a notification either. I only asked if I get a notification if I get hit while clayface is still alive and BC told me I I would not but I figure clayface would protect me with medic protection as well leaving me without a notification. But that's a pretty specific case. Also I am pretty sure the notification you get when protected by a medic is not telling you that you get protected. I think it only tells you something along the lines "you've been hit but you're not dead" which pretty much only leaves medic protection as an option. But I'm not so sure right now. | ||
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On February 13 2012 03:44 Kurumi wrote: Bill Murray, Hugo Strange. Then I'll kill laya. how do you think he's huro strange? | ||
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I really don't see people protecting laya at all but maybe that's because I said CC / laya are our two best lynch options d1 and have been tunneling a bit. | ||
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He's not a medic all right. I thought he's a vig becaus apparently he knew all along that we've got multi-shot vigs. Remember when I quoted that and tried to look surprised when he said something along the lines "town is bound to have somethin like 5 KP PER CYCLE"? This is my 6th game I think and so far it's the first game ever for me with multishot vigs. So he got that information somehow and that means he knew our vigs are stronger than normal vigs. Either because he is a vig himself or he got some other information because he's mafia or somehow knows about another vig, like clayface, but he did not know what's in my rolepm, therefore he did not know I'm a multishot vig. The interesting part is that he actually wanted a massclaim early on and I think he was part of the people supporting to sacrifice me to get badman on our side. Obviously we can't say CC was wrong so easily because he thought I am a one-shot vig and that we're going to trade a one-shot vig against a multi-shot 3rd party who is bound to help us after I'm dead. However if BM knew there were multishot-vigs in this game that's a completly different story. If he knew that there is no way that trading a blue multishot vig for a 3rd party multishot vig who's MAYBE behaving the way they think can be considered pro-town. | ||
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I'm going to read rads case on him later on when I'm done watching this let's play but I'd much rather lynch people like BM. Also an interesting question? Did BM claim protection? Usually both the medic and the guy being hit get a notifiation if that protection was "used". I see lanaya claiming but I can't recall BM claiming "hey I saved someone" by heart. | ||
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On February 13 2012 05:16 Kurumi wrote: In last couple of posts Your attitude changed dramatically... turned out I got a townie lynched and shot two of them at nights. yeah I'll admit if that kind of shit happens I tend to change my attitude. | ||
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On February 13 2012 05:20 jaybrundage wrote: Ok i know im a little late to the party but i think i figured this shit out. Kurimi Is CatWomen. He didnt die to a hit. He shot Rg who claimed twoface. He then tells the thread that Rg is a vet. Which would make sense given that CatWomen has an unblockable shot except for vets That means that Rg is a Vet, and cant be a Detective. Why he is keeping up the bullshit about DT? I dont know pretty anti town in my opinion But I think it makes the most sense. Given this information i think we should completely ignore his DT checks cause there bullshit. Kurimi had to agree with the Harley Quinn guess it was a guess. So RG is a Vet not a DT and not two face if he was twoface he would be dead. I hope we can move foward as town and from now on Ignore his DT checks because there complete bullshit. This Does mean as well tho that he is town. : ( Given that i will have to reread the filters to find someone else i think is scummy D: BTW RG i still think your anti town as fuck. Just not scum thought of that early on as well. Maybe I'm not the only one having a BG, maybe he's the vet that's protecting two-face but than again, that guy should just shut his mouth so that Two-Face is immortal if it really is the same situation I was in. Maybe that's the reason he got information that made me think he for sure has a DT power just like Clayface did. Come to think of it: It's not that unlikely that the other roles that need to be taken out by third party got some safe mechanism as well. | ||
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Why not people like Rad or Palmar which both looked pretty good considering that we got our first mafia in sheth? I just don't see why exactly laya and why 2 times in a row. You're saying you're leaning town on him, noone here you'd say is more than a "leaning town" ? | ||
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I'm not exactly fine with lynching evantrees myself, he's a coinflip tops for me but whatever, I'm not the guy to tell people this lynch is wrong after telling people 4 guys are probably mafia and only one of them flipped mafia I'm unvoting right now but I don't know what to vote for | ||
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On a more serious note: I'm considering voting palmar, kita or risk.nuke atm. | ||
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On February 13 2012 22:38 layabout wrote: of those 3 kita is the best option but they are all inferior to tyrran or evantrees. Justify your opinions. palmar: If he thinks he knows that evantrees is town for some weird slip or whatever town palmar would try to lynch someone else. He's still sheeping his "emperor". No way is he town, or he lied about evantrees to get some reactions. Kita: He's given me some townvibes early on (d1) but ever since stoped being useful and basicly stopped doing anything imo. risk.nuke: This guy is usually pretty vocal as far as I can see. At least as town he's not afraid to tell everyone what he's thinking and no matter how many people are already on lynch-X he'll most likely still get in this thread and try to push his own reads. Also he's pretty ballsy as town, I don't really see either of that. Check his mayoral campaign in L. This was complete and utter bullshit, yet it was one of the most important pieces of information to figure out he's actually town. That's the kind of stuff he does as townie (at least d1). + Show Spoiler [his campaign] + On January 13 2012 14:48 risk.nuke wrote: risk.nuke for mayor I'm not the best townie here so you might be asking yourself why am I running for mayor, I came here to win and I think the best thing to do as a townie is to try and win the election. For those who have read my history you know I am passionate player. A few times in my last games I have found myself losing my mood. I can promise you that will not happen in this game. I don't like to be angry. I like to be helpfull, it makes me feel better and when I feel better I perform better. I will fight for a friendly town in order to keep the peace. So that logic and reason may reign the lynches, not tunneling, omgus and bandwagons or other scumtricks or anti-town shenanigans. I am reliable. I have the time to play, I wont disappear and I won't make excuses. I will be here so you can often have my thoughts on anything. I am persistant, I won't just sheep but I will stick to my beliefs and argue for them aslong as I have them. So If you want to elect a serious person, a person who you will always know where he is at, a person who will give this his best. Then vote for risk.nuke!! always townie, never not townie!! | ||
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Ironically I don't want to lynch forumite anymore. | ||
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If batman shoots me he straight up loses the game because it's over unless he gets really lucky Why do you want to lynch third party in this situation rad? We can't afford to right now, I don't know what palmar is yet but lynching him sounds like a high risk plan if he really is mafia and incredible stupid if he is third party. | ||
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That would be a little stacked for mafia don't you think palmar? Espially if you and kurumi are third party | ||
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SLIP EVER :p | ||
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On February 13 2012 23:45 Forumite wrote: <3 It´s possible that Palmar tells the truth about Radfield, and we are choosing between Scum and 3rd Party, but Radfields DT claim D2 would have been an odd gamble. I´m leaning towards lynching Palmar, and have someone check Radfield. I´m not sure how Radfield would flip and I´m almost certain Palmar is 3rd Party, and it feels like killing the possibly usefull Batman is preferable to mislynching a Town DT. Either way I think the lynch should be between Palmar or Radfield. it's 15v5. Mafia has 3KP. A mislynch is basicly a loss for town. | ||
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Who's our lynch target? I still have troubles believing all thoose 4 people are actually red. Forumites most recent post made me think he's mafia again. Kita posts nothing, rad is posting stuff that's not making sense and wbg is already dead. | ||
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On February 13 2012 23:51 Palmar wrote: I tried to shoot last night, but was roleblocked, so yes. In addition, I shot radfield night 1. He survived the shot though. you're telling me radfield got locked up n1? | ||
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On February 13 2012 23:56 Forumite wrote: He couldn´t have been, Radfield checked Sheth N1 yeah make it Radfield "checked" Sheth N1 Checking sheth and wbg are both pretty convenient for him. Sheth was basicly dead anyways and wbg was dead before he claimed the check. | ||
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Not killing radfield and not roleblocking a claimed DT is just stupid beyond beliefe. | ||
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does this mean you'll shoot townies from now on? | ||
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Uh. I thought the locking someone up power is literally locking someone up but it's not, it's only a medic. So Palmar is batman, Radfield is Talia (if Palmar really is batman) and kurumi is catwoman? | ||
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That means Palmar also wants to shoot someone else to get hugo. | ||
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On February 13 2012 17:31 Palmar wrote: ok let's do this: I'm a Detective. My role name is Calendar Man I checked Radfield last night, he's: Talia al Ghul That's enough evidence for me that he actually is batman, is not allowed to claim batman, shot radfield, he's still alive, Palmar WTF-ED BIG TIME (protecting rad n1 is not really THAT unlikely, but surving a batman shot is pretty unlikely if the guy only got mediced) and now he used this DT lie to tell people what Radfiel is without telling everyne he's Batman. Lynch Radfield now? | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:19 Kurumi wrote: OH I FORGOT Thanks Jay. I understand everything more than ever. come on, I said that like 3 times by now and your thanking jay ? | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:21 Kurumi wrote: Then sorry, he reminded me of Batman not being able to kill the Young Ghul. yeah that's what I said 4 times by now :D | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:24 Forumite wrote: Anyone but me thinks Jay is scum from his last few posts? yeah me as well. So if you're not mafia at least one on palmars list is bound to be wrong. Someone want to make some bets that I'm going to be the lucky finding the one guy that actually was NOT mafia next night? | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:28 Toadesstern wrote: yeah me as well. So if you're not mafia at least one on palmars list is bound to be wrong. Someone want to make some bets that I'm going to be the lucky finding another guy that actually was NOT mafia besides forumite next night? that came out wrong. EBWOP | ||
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On February 12 2012 01:16 Radfield wrote: This game is absurdly hard to keep up with right now. You guys need to slow waaay down. Lets stop the bickering and focus on scum, not on roles. + Show Spoiler + Regardless of what Toad and DocH are(I am inclined to believe their claims), both seem fairly town to me. DocH is playing his town game, and Toad seems sincere. I also like his two-face claim day 1 in an effort to draw 3rd party hits. It fits with his role. On February 11 2012 22:11 Palmar wrote: we'll find out how immortal you are tomorrow toad. I think you're scum and faking it. This is real smart Palmar...... there is no reason to discount Toad and DocH's claim, which means that the only way that Toad can die is if mafia take down Doc H. I'm also fairly certain that you don't have an unblockable shot. I wouldn't be alive otherwise... In fact, I'm not even so sure you shot me at all. My problem though is that I don't even have a real scum read on you, just a troll read. In particular your hit claim makes no sense: On February 11 2012 19:42 Palmar wrote: I'm not trolling I'm not lying. I got hit last night. Why did you not claim your hit straight off? Why wait? On February 11 2012 19:40 Palmar wrote: Already told you dude, catwoman checked sheth last night. Again, this makes no sense. If I was Batman or Catwoman, I sure as shit would not DT Sheth. One, he was on the chopping block which means he was likely to die that night or get lynched the following day. Two, there were a ton of better targets to either DT or shoot if I was trying to snipe blues or Hugo. However, if you guys want to stick with the theory of me being the Bat or the Cat, I suppose that's alright. It gives me a certain amount of protection from mafia. That being said, medics should probably be going between me or DocH tonight. I somehow doubt that mafia buy Palmar's unblockable hit story, especially if mafia were actually the ones that shot me. At the very least, I think the doc that protected me should visit me again and the rest should bounce between us. Thoughts? On February 11 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say radfield did not think I'm the joker and thought DocH is the joker because he apparently claimed that in that gay-phone-session. I actually thought Chaoser was the Joker for a bit. I didn't consider DocH faking the post. Due to that I was letting Chaoser slide more than I should have. I like this list, though I would add Evantrees and maybe Kurumi(who has started trolling now?), and drop layabout. Layabout doesn't seem like scum to me this game. + Show Spoiler + Once again I'm gone this evening, and should be back just before the Daypost. If you really want to be productive, I highly suggest to stop posting and instead going back and rereading the second half of day 1 with the knowledge that Sheth is scum. That was a Day 1 swing towns dream about, but I just don't have the time right now to go back and read it(I haven't even read the phone QT for days). I will get to it eventually, but in the meantime it is the single most important part of this thread. That means that my list was complete and utter bullshit. | ||
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I'd say we lynch radfield (talia) today. Maybe kurumi will shoot into townies because he has to win as well. That's 4 KP, maybe 5 if mafia's vig is a multishot vig as well or he did not shoot until now. If palmar kills me tomorrow he risks losing this game before finding hugo. There is no reason to kill me first unless he has to. Medics can't safe me and if palmar wants to kill me he does that. If we lynch palmar instead we give mafia an additional 3 free KP because we lynched someone who's not mafia to safe 1 (!) guy (that's me). | ||
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doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy? | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:27 Jayjay54 wrote: Wait. Let's assume Palmar keeps you alive and is shooting scum this game, then we have 2 KP at night (well, you two). If we lynch him, we'd have one KP. How does mafia loose 3 KP if we keep him alive? I do not want to argue here, I just don't get your point. they don't lose 3KP but we lose a lynch. If he keep him alive it would be roughly: Lynch Mafia -> 3 dead townies -> lynch mafia -> 3 dead townies If we lynch him it's Lynch Batman to safe me -> 3 dead townies -> lynch mafia -> 3 dead townies We'd simply waste a cycle and we can't afford to do that right now. Palmar simply can't afford to shoot me right now. He has to kill hugo. Maybe Kurumi is even going to shoot into us because he believes that two-face / penguin have bodyguards as well which would even increase Mafia KP. There is literally no reason to FIRST shoot me and search hugo afterwards. I'm the safe kill for him right now, he can simply finish the game once hugo is dead afterwards. Therefore I'd also like to lynch rad because if he really is talia palmar has to keep on searching for hugo and can't outright kill me. Remember mafia don't lose KP unless we kill deadshot / hugo, so they'll probably keep their 3KP for a while. | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:41 Jayjay54 wrote: I agree that we have to lynch palmar / radfield. @Toad: What if we mislynch our only DT? That is even worse. Also, if you're killed at night one and survive otherwise, our batman lynch is backed up with your KP in one night... Therefore, I go with palmar. a) radfields name claim b) I highly doubt we have 0 DTs in this kind of setup (this may be the noob in me speaking) c) radfield check provided good information, I hope he continues to do so. Right now, I have no reason to believe Rad lied at any point. Palmar has been doing things all over and I am sure if we mislynch Rad he just claims to not have claimed...He has been trolling all game long. He will very likely flip batman right now, which would save Toad and give us an extra KP for a long time (assuming that Rad is being RBed) ##vote Palmar They can simply RB me as well. Why did radfield never get roleblocked but palmar did? If palmar really got roleblocked that's incredible bad for him because he probably has no idea who's hugo yet. He still has to figure that out and is helping us while doing so. | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: He's not Batman. He's pretty much CLAIMED Batman which is against the rules and playing against the rules isn't something Palmar does. He's scum. Lynch it. he never claimed batman. | ||
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If he already knows who's hugo (palmar could have lied, never shot rad, checked him instead, said he shot him, making us think he he talia) and wants us to lynch hugo so that he can just shoot me. That's a possibility and I'm willing to take that risk. Because in every other scenario he's helping town. Even if it's what I just said in brackets, which is highly unlikely given Radfield said he took a hit, I don't care. We have to win this and lynching Batman is not to win. Yes I am the joker, yes I am a multivig, yes I might die, no blueroles don't win this game theirselves. We need to lynch mafia today. | ||
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Mafia can't kill palmar but he's most likely going to shoot into mafia => they'll RB him => he can't kill me or Hugo Mafia can't RB me if they have to RB palmar => they're going to kill me => palmar knows that => no need to kill me unless Hugo is already dead. | ||
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Mafia will not RB me tonight. They're probably going to kill me to reduce town KP. | ||
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I'd say we lynch Radfield or hiro tonight. I don't see a reason why radfield should still be alive / not be rb'ed as DT. Maybe we've got another DT. Maybe he just never claimed. After all Two-Face and penguin are bound to be in this game. If we mislynch and palmar really is Batman he has lost the game as well imo. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:07 Jayjay54 wrote: I am mafia now? Because I voted batman? To save you? Nice. They will RB you and batman will kill you. Then, and we agree here, he will be helping town A LOT. Batman has 5 cycles to reduce mafia KP. The question is, if we want to keep batman around or you. There is no other scenario IMO. I'd rather keep you, as you are confirmed town + multivig. sry that was directed at VE | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Or maybe Toad, MAYBE scum chose to RB someone else. Maybe they RB'd the person they killed...DocH was basically claimed Clayface, maybe they RB'd him to make sure he died? Who the fuck KNOWS why scum didn't RB Rad...but that's not incriminating at ALL in my opinion. Whoever told you that was trying to manipulate you Toad, I promise you. And I just bet it was Palmar wasn't it? Clayface already took a hit n1. No need to RB him to make sure he dies. | ||
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Kurumi said several times that he wants me to beg for mercy and Kurumi shot wbg. I really thought it's the other way arround: Kurumi = Bat, Palmar = CW because of that. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:28 Jayjay54 wrote: didn't palmar say that he couldn't kill rad, because he's talya? I thought the whole point is based on that. I am pretty certain he's batman. could be a lie and he dt'ed him. We can't lynch third-party and we need to lynch mafia. I'm just having 2nd thoughts right now :p | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:30 Kurumi wrote: I thought You were Penguin. Penguin and bodyguards? Sounds cool. But then I needed to kill wbg. Because he wanted to hang me. I'd like you to stfu or you're getting modkilled :p I wasn't asking you. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:34 Jayjay54 wrote: you really want to do this, don't you? If we lynch scum you are even more dead , but that's a noble sacrifice. so who do you think? VEs recent posts were bad. he hasn't posted a lot the last couple of days (RL-days) and now out of nowhere all thoe fancy people come crowling out of nowhere. Also he's better than what did in his most recent posts. I thought he's town early on because he's not trolling at all, tried to play although he posted very little and it looked like he tried. VE is one of the guys who are quite infamous here and the last couple of games he tried to get rid of that reputation and really showed some good games. He was pretty vocal in all of them and tried to not tunnel. He's doing that right now and as mentioned he really isn't that bad. I think he's defending his scumbuddies which obviously would make hiro look green right now so I am confused again :p | ||
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I am not willing to lynch third party today. We need to lynch mafia. That's all that matters for today. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:44 RayzorFlash wrote: It does make sense for penguin to have a bodyguard vet too, probably Solomon Grundy (fits game lore/theme) My problem with a hiro lynch is that even if he is mafia, which i think is decently likely, it gives us next to no real info... I'd rather lynch radfield/palmar... I actually wouldnt mind a palmar lynch just because his posts and claims have started to give me.a headache,lol... ##vote: Radfield the fuck? it's 15v5 and you don't want to lynch a mafia because lynching someone else is probably going to give more information? You say you wouldn't mind lynching palmar but voted radfield? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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This gives us tons of information. Palmar has no reason to lie about this if he's third party unless he's CW and found out rad is a protected Two-Face like I used to be a protected Joker. But even in that scenario he's risking that mafia will win before he can find a protected penguin. If that's the case Kurumi should at least know that himself because at least he should know himself if he's CW or Batman although he's not allowed to tell us. He's not against a Radfield lynch = I like. Sure he would not be allowed to tell us that but he for sure would make up some weird shit to get us off Radfield. The only scenario that is really bad for us is if both Palmar and Kurumi end up being mafia imo. I don't really see that happening. | ||
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That really looks like mafia forming up to win this game. | ||
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Two vets or at least people who are pretty good will end up being being 3rd party imo. Actually killing the blue roles is not that hard but figuring them out is. So we've got Radfield, Kita, forumite, Palmar, Kurumi and Chaoser. 3 of them want to lynch Radfield. That's good enough for me. Actually Kita wants to lynch Rad as well doesn't he? | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:23 hiro protagonist wrote: I was hoping to continue my "only vote for scum" streak this game, but I think I will vote for "person that I used to look up to and now cant stand very much anymore" ##Vote: Palmar Palmar, I very much hope your scum/3rd party, because then the bullshit you have been pulling off makes sense. If your town, that makes me very sad what I said here: On February 14 2012 02:48 Toadesstern wrote: the fuck? it's 15v5 and you don't want to lynch a mafia because lynching someone else is probably going to give more information? You say you wouldn't mind lynching palmar but voted radfield? + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxH_8Ep_ms Is also directed at your most recent post Mr Hiro. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:55 Jayjay54 wrote: tbf, they double (maybe triplestacked) doc in order to get rid of two confirmed blue roles in one strike. which is an understandable move... don't you think a confirmed blue DT would be way more dangerous than a confirmed Veteran who already lost his 2nd live? Sure they want to get me as well but tripplestacking docH makes no sense if rad reall is a blue DT. not RB'ing him doesn't make sense either. | ||
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On February 14 2012 04:01 Jayjay54 wrote: yup, he will. you'll see. in the not so likely case that palmar isn't batman, some other batman will kill him. I am 90% sure. he wasn't asking about what palmar is going to do and kurumi misunderstood what you said earlier. jj said they wanted to get rid of two powerroles. Therefore they double or tripplestacked the clayface to get me the next cycle or make me mortal again so that batman does that. That's very much understandable but Radfield would be a much higher priority than I am. Especially if you look at what you said earlier: I'm shooting townies left and right this game. | ||
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On February 14 2012 04:05 Jayjay54 wrote: yup, I don't get the RB. Maybe they tried to save a member in blocking batman. That is the only thing I can think of. Instantly loosing a team member is worse than a red DT check (with a good chance on a green/blue check) I am just trying to see every angle. If we mislynch our single DT, which showed pro town behaviour so far, we will hate ourselves, this isn't a light decision, nor should it be. We can probably lose or win the game here. agree, this is a turning point but I simply can't believe we'll end up having wbg + forumite + palmar + kurumite as reds. If palmar really is batman he does not want to lie to us unless he never shot radfield but DT'ed him instead and wants us to take out hugo so that he can shoot me next night. I can live with that (ehehe, got the pun? ) Or he's not batman at all and is CW instead. That only makes sense if he already knows both penguin and two-face, wants us to lynch one of them and will win the game at night. That's the only 2 scenarios I see him lying to us and only the 2nd one is a problem. The only issue I have is that we're bound to have both penguin and Two-Face in this game. Schworz I want you to tell us your check on Chaoser. I need to know if you're twoface and I don't care if you die. If you are not two-face there's got to be someone else being two-face who is not feeling like claiming or we might bullshit right now. | ||
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On February 14 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote: why do you believe rad is not mafia. it's quite urgent schworz. | ||
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Other than that I don't see a single reason for Palmar to lie to us if he's Batman. | ||
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He only said people should poke radfield. It's not even a fos or something. | ||
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What's the point in lynching a DT? It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? | ||
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On February 14 2012 06:00 Tunkeg wrote: EBWOP: Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch. Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would have jumped all over this if they were scum and Radfield were town. the point is both Batman and CW want a decently long game. The only way to lose for batman is if mafia wins before we lynch Hugo. Batman wins with us right now. CW needs to kill two blue roles but she also needs a long game to do that. She can't just shoot into us and hope she'll hit something. That's probably why palmar included the blue tags when he made the list, to give kurumi a little help and prevent a rampage. Again, if the rad-lynch turns out to be a townie both third partie roles basicly lost the game because this will be over to soon. Unless of course batman already knows who Hugo is but he got rb'ed last night so I doubt that. Not to mention that Hugo is still alive. So again, both third parties need a long game right now. It's 15vs5. If they manipulate us into lynching a townie it's 14v5 and is soon within 2 more nights and 1 more day I'd say. Remember mafia got 3 KP *2 = 6 kills, CW needs to kill 2 blues and Batman needs to kill me. That makes 9 KP we're going to take the next 2 nights if Batman hits me and CW hits penguin or Twoface and only 2 KP on townside. My one shot (before Batman kills me) and the one shot that kills hugo. That's way to close for comfort. | ||
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On February 14 2012 06:12 Kurumi wrote: Why are You multiplying KP Toad? o_o 1KP = 1 life down I missed an "over" in my post. I wanted to say if we lynch a townie it's probably over or at least pretty over within 2 nights and 1 day. night 1 (the night after this lynch) mafia gets 3 KP, batman shoots me 1KP (let's assume he knows hugo strange and therefore shoots me first because whatever), CW needs to shoot 2 blues, so that's another 1KP which is a total of 5 KP night 1 and one KP for town because I shoot someone. Next day we lynch someone which is one Town-KP. Next night batman shoots hugo which is 1 town-KP, CW shoots a blue 1KP, Mafia has 3KP. That's another 4KP for Mafia and 1 more KP for town. So if thirdparties are trying to make us mislynch they basicly give mafia a free turn at shooting townies. That's why 2 times 3KP. | ||
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It's 5 mafia alive. If rad flips Hugo it is indeed my last day alive If rad flips someone else we still got 4 Mafia left, one of them is bound to be Hugo and Mafia has to deal with me as well to stand a chance. Why should he waste a hit on me when he can hunt Hugo while leaving me for mafia? The only way to lose this for palmar is if town loses or if we end up having only 1 mafia alive at a day because in that scenario we'd lynch the last one before he killed me. If we got 2 mafias alive at day we'll lynch one, which makes it 1 into the night. He shoots me, I shoot the mafia. Town and Batman win. If it's 2 at night he shoots me as well because as mentioned it's too dangerous to let a X v 1 happen when the next cycle is a daycycle. For now we're nowhere near to those 2 scenarios. It's 5 mafias alive and it's not like we're going to kill all 5 right now. I don't have protection any more, he can just onehit. Ok we still got Penguin that guy MAYBE makes it another KP town gut but I doubt that he's a multishot vig as well. We're already missing KP in our lists. Anyways let's say he's going to add 1 safety point to both scenarios to make sure we don't vig the last two mafias before he wins. Still no need to kill me today. If he fears that town might lose or that Kurumu might shoot into town he's going to shoot a mafia to make sure we don't lose. If he thinks he does not need to shoot a Mafia he'll use his DT to find Hugo without shooting mafias to make sure this game lasts a little bit longer. | ||
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On February 14 2012 07:19 Jayjay54 wrote: I don't know if he agrees. if he disagrees he could have shot me yesterday. After all Clayface wasn't protecting me from Batman that night. Why am I still alive? Palmar never shot me although he had the chance to. He's afraid that mafia might win before this ends. He's even pretty sure that his mafia list is flawed because he too agrees, that forumite looks way greener now. No way is he risking to let mafia win. | ||
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On February 14 2012 09:30 RayzorFlash wrote: Oh wait, i just reread te post... Since i believe everything he says, and can vouch for him, i guess the part where he says i have to die is also true... This is a tough spot for me to be in being only my second mafia game so i'll let town decide what to do because the part of your role that locks your kill to me means that i'll have to sacrifice myself to allow you to use your bullet on anyone else... I'm kicking you for choosing Ico though... Lol well idk. If he's really the riddler and what he says is true mafia surly won't kill you. Simple as that. And Town won't lynch you because of that, unless the think you're mafia. Town needs to lynch mafia right now. Palmar might be scared that we're going to win because if what he says we can kill 4 people at night if this happens and might kill me because he's scared. Ah damn that claim really is not helping town at all. Now you forced batman to shoot a townie... | ||
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On February 14 2012 09:43 RayzorFlash wrote: I havent actually succeeded in the game yet though, so i'm asking BC if i can purposefully fail on that and die through it so that we dont waste a lynch on me after a solid day of discussion and getting Radfield on the chopping block, where i think he belongs (as does chaoser)... Whether you choose to trust me on that is up to y'all, lol... I just want town to win -_- I think you're not allowed to do that but idk. Let's assume you are allowed to do that, would that be possible AFTER the lynch? | ||
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Congrats on forcing Batman to shoot me because we're most likely going to get 4 KP sometime soon and he probably won't risk to lose like that even if he thinks that Mafia won't touch rayzor from now on. Oh and you forced CW to shoot into town as well. REALLY NICE JOB. Why didn't you shut up? | ||
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On February 14 2012 10:05 RayzorFlash wrote: Anyone who doesnt jump and vote me immediately without a good excuse should be looked at closely... There is NO reason for town to not want 3 more bullets at the cost of one townie life... People who dont switch are either scum, third party, or stupid, lol... That is wrong. We get 3 KP but therefore Mafia gets 5 or 6 KP! Just look at what you're saying! If we lynch you tonight we lost a townie (according to you) which is 1KP for mafia. Also Mafia get's 3 free KP because we gave them a free night cycle in which they can kill people. It's like forcing a nolynch, giving mafia 3 KP just that it's worse because we're giving them a townie on top of that. So that's already 4 free KP for mafia, if you don't want to count the lynch as KP fine, you sitll forced Batman and CW to shoot into town because of that bullshit. That's another 2KP. Everyone should think about this. YES if Kitas claim is true town gets 3KP but Mafia get the VERY SAME THING because they can shoot 3 people every night themselves + Bat + CW. On top of that mafia won't miss like I did all the time. Kita might miss. | ||
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I think we stay on radfield for today and talk about chaoser tomorrow. | ||
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Anyways I'm off to bed. I'm going to shoot everyone who unvotes rad because of this bullshit. Of course not literally but most likely one of you even if it's the last thing I do (which it most likely will be). | ||
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On February 14 2012 10:42 Toadesstern wrote: nice to know. Maybe palmar shoots you instead of me because he thought you're mafia as well. Anyways I'm off to bed. I'm going to shoot everyone who unvotes rad because of this bullshit. Of course not literally but most likely one of you even if it's the last thing I do (which it most likely will be). this was obviously directed at our beloved riddler.. I'm off to bed. Let's do the palmar and see what the derptrain does until tomorrow. | ||
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If the real riddler could come out and counterclaim kita, that would convenient. I really doubt that town kita would make that claim. | ||
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And deadshot is not reducing their KP. Hugo reduces the KP to 2. And once it's only 1 mafia left it's 1KP. | ||
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Mafia Kp is 3. It drops to 1 only when 1 member of the team is alive, and they lose a kp if the gf [that's hugo] dies | ||
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On February 14 2012 22:50 Forumite wrote: My read on everyone, based mostly by reading through the last 20 pages of debate around the Radfield lynch. Toades, surviving vigis and Batman, whoever you are, I think you should shoot into the first category of players. - 90% scum: Jaybrundage risk.nuke VisceraEyes Chaoser - 50/50: tunkeg Hiro Protagonist Katina Layabout Tyrran - 90% Townlist: rgSchworz Kitaman27 (against the lynch but claimed blue, who hasn´t been counterclaimed) Rayzorflash Evantrees (screams newbie town to me) Adam4167 (Revoted Radfield despite Kitamans claim) Bill Murray (claimed Medic, only reason he´s here) - 100% Townlist: Toadesstern Qualis Jayjay54 Forumite <- Shameless self-promotion - Ignore list: Palmar Kurumi If there´s anything you think is wrong or odd in my list, please speak up. I know there are at least 5 townies in the first two categories, but I think most are in the 50/50 group, not the 90% scumlist. these kind of posts are hurting my feelings. 4 times 90% mafia, 4 times 50% mafia and it's only 4 mafias left. That's not adding up and we're not in russia :p Back to topic: I don't think tunkeg is mafia I'd definatly put Hiro higher on the list which is a problem because again there's only 4 mafia left. VE looks like the most confirmed mafia to me, chaoser&nuke&jaybrundage are all about the same level of scumminess a little bit behind VE imo. So noone hit tunkeg, Katina, Layabut, Tyrran imo. | ||
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As mentioned, I think risk.nuke, VisceraEyes, hiro make all good hits. Chaoser and jaybrundage as well but I haven't looked into them for a while after my furious attack on chaoser and the fact that we did not end up lynching him. | ||
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Maybe batman will take the risk and shoot into mafia hoping that mafia will take me out because after all it's them I'm after. Maybe CW will take the risk and shoot into town hoping that mafia will take out the riddler because 3KP isn't that nice for them either. But I don't really know what's the best course of action right now for 3rd parties, so whatever. I doubt that we got a medic at all so I won't request medic protection although it would be nice if BM turns out to be a medic (seriously doubt it). | ||
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Kurumi might very well end up being Batman and Palmar might very well end up being CW. So from now on I'll refer to you as Batman and CW because of that, so that the guy who actually is X knows I'm talking to him. Other than that, it shouldn't make any differences at all :p afk for a bit. Need to get to McD and get something to eat or I'll starve. | ||
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On February 14 2012 23:55 risk.nuke wrote: Toad please give me your 3 strongest townreads, I want to see if I can apply my wbg is always wrong logorithm on you. You want me to tell you 3 people who I think are most likely to flip town? + Show Spoiler + I'm not giving you my 3 best townreads so that you can simply shoot them and neither should someone else. At least not tonight. | ||
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On February 14 2012 23:08 Kurumi wrote: Getting Hugo/Deadshot is optimal play for 3rd party. so is not telling town that you're actually going to shoot townies if you consider that :p | ||
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On February 15 2012 00:56 Jayjay54 wrote: well you might just shoot like you normally do to obtain the hattrick <3 :3 heyheyhey, I still keep telling me I just got unlucky. That way I can sleep at night. Since I'm dead by tomorrow anyways here's the reasoning I did the last 2 nights. n1: "well sheth is like 85% mafia, if he is he'll be protected anyways so no sense in shooting that. Need to find someone else. I could shoot hiro but since CC flipped green I'm probably better off taking a safe shot. Guess shooting Kenpachi is always fine. It's not like that could go terribly wrong." n2: "mmmh, hiro, opz or chaoser". Figured if I'm right about chaoser they'll medic him so either hiro or opz and I seriously flipped a coin. heads = hiro, tails = opz and we all know what happened. Shame I'm not Two-face. I'd do the same as n2 again. | ||
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I seriously thought that batman is going to let me alive as long as there's more than 3 mafias alive but with this new information he has to shoot me. I also doubt that CW can wait much longer to find penguin / two-face unless she thinks slowing the game down by taking out the riddler is a better option. Still, we need to lynch mafia, not third party, period. Just straight up win this game without doing some bullshit. Batman will hit exactly one townie and that's it. CW will be more of a problem but I'm still not convinced it's actually the way they make us think it is. Kurumi is giving massive amounts of posts that make me think he's Batman and not CW. But then again, Palmar does the same and especially the "I hit radfield" thing makes it look like Kurumi is doing that on purpose, but who knows or even better: who cares? Lynching Batman is complete and utter bullshit. Lynching CW might be okayish but lynching mafia is 100% better and since I'm not convinced Palmar really is Batman and not CW noone should start thinking about lynching them, at all. I will shoot tonight. If chaoser really is mafia they will have to medic him to make sure the riddler does not get his 3KP leaving me with VE, hiro, jaybrundage and risk.nuke who are probably all pretty mortal tonight. Will probably post my spreadsheet and tell you guys my target 10 secs before the deadline. I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to do it later on :p Unless of course I get tired because it's fucking 5am in germany. Oh and yeah I really decided to toss a coin (several times) between those 5 people to not give them the possibility to read me. | ||
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What should I do? After all I shot townies left and right until now. My gut telling me this guy is a townie could be something good don't you think? | ||
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On February 15 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote: kurumi. The fate of the coin told me to lynch X. I think X is the least likely to flip scum of those 5. What should I do? After all I shot townies left and right until now. My gut telling me this guy is a townie could be something good don't you think? ah crap. Now I already said too much. Mafia could understand who I got out of that or at least who they don't need to protect... I'm doing it again and will stick with it, no matter what result I get! | ||
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He got a screenshot of my coin-tosses as well. If I end up hitting the one lucky guy in there that is a townie and the rest is a mafia fuck my life. But this time I got someone I am happy to shoot. | ||
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yeah I decided between those 5 people. BC actually never answered me if this is okay or not but GM said it's okay as long as the list of people I picked is okay although he'd still handpick the guy himself. Seeing how handpicking didn't really work out this game for me I think this is awesome. Anyways it's going to be hilarious and the guy with the most tails is dead by tomorrow :p | ||
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If my shot tonight hits a mafia I have scientifically proven that my coin is better at scumhunting than I am. If my shot tonight hits a townie I hit 3 townies in a row this game. Not really sure what I want to happen. Also, it's fucking boring at 3:23 am and I've got nothing to do but I at least want to tell you guys a sec before deadline who I shot in case he survives... | ||
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I just wanted to say sorry for my performance this game and for that bullshit cointossing-move... I never should have done that. Actually I pm'ed BC that as well afterwards and told him to do whatever he wants to do about it because imo I wasn't playing to win anymore at that point in time and was instead just pissed because I sucked so hard. It was just a cheap excuse to blame something else instead of myself and again I really don't care about me shooting opz and Kenpachi, I still think these shots were not that awful but shooting Chaoser was just straight up bullshit and I did it because I was angry and flipped a coin and not because I thought he was scummy. At least after his defence I no longer thought he was anywhere nearly as scummy as people like VE and hiro. I really wasn't trusting my reads anymore and should have not shot at all that night or should have just had the balls to shoot who I thought was scummy no matter what happened d1+d2. Well apparently BC thinks it was not as big of a deal as I think it was because he never answered that pm I send him and I am not banned or warned for that behavior. I guess I am at least obligated to tell you guys and again, sry for doing such a bullshit move n3. | ||
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On February 24 2012 04:03 RayzorFlash wrote: Random Observation: Both the games I've played in, I've been vanilla town and come off as being scummy... Need to figure out why that is and how to stop it =_= I actually thought you were scummy and thought ico was pretty townish for whatever reason. Gave me some issues dealing with you :p | ||
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On February 24 2012 00:11 rgTheSchworz wrote: gg, I did play horrible after Toad´s CC. I should´nt have lied or I should have lied much more. My reads have been bad, except for JayJay and JB, who btw, should have been lynched D3 instead of Kurumi. D3 lynch decided the game, I had no credibility whatsoever in the endgame. Should have pushed that much more for JB D3, if he had gotten lynched, we would have won. mmh I don't think lynching into JB or JJ would habe been a good idea even if you think they're quite scummy. Let's face it we got several people who looked awful this game and it was really hard to distinguish between those people, which was the reason I treated myself as a lurkerbane early on and not as a classic vig. Additionally Kurumi was a granted reduce in KP which was really important. Sure you could have been lucky and ended up lynching the GF when you're right about someone being mafia but that chance is slim. You guys really needed to reduce KP d3 and lynching Kurumi was the savest and almost the best thing possible imo. Oh and about the lies. Yeah really we should never have lied in the first place. I thought I can handle this and thought it was a good idea to claim two-face because I was immune vs shots at night and on top of that thought that Batman wouldn't look into someone who calimed Two-Face unless he knew I was really immune vs CW as well. But this whole thing snowballed out of controle. I said several times that we should talk about something else but someone brought my claim back as a topic to discuss ALL THE TIME and finally DocH understood what was going on and asked me all kind of weird questions to figure out if I am joker which lead to everyone else knowing I am joker as well because I answered those questions. Everyone who played the game should have known I am the joker the moment DocH asked me "did you *hire* somebody?" and I replied with yes after he was stubbornly sticking to that question. I still think the move itself was good but I really had no controle over what was happening and it snowballed into a big shitstorm so I guess it was not | ||
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On February 24 2012 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote: You never lie as town, and if you do lie and it's that obvious, then scum will jump all over it and get you lynched. A competent town will almost always lynch a clear liar. Most towns recently have been derping pretty damn hard though, where they leave a liar alive despite how detrimental he/she is to the town. Ex. BM in TL Mafia L, that's a good example. Ofc once it was confirmed he was a liar he died, but you get the idea. Basically the way you lied this game, I (and by extension the entire scumteam) knew you were lying. generally there's only two reasons a person lies; they're scum (so if you were 3rd party we wouldn't shoot you) or they're trying to draw hits (so we wouldn't shoot you). Since we knew that, PLUS by lying you had no clout in town why would we ever shoot you? The only people who would ever shoot you would have all been vigis. Saying you need to lie so that as scum you can lie is stupid. Neither side needs to lie, ever. I'm sad LaL isn't actually popular here, because it's the one of the few things about TL town play that is really bad. Lying is just not punished enough. well I was pretty sure mafia would think that way which was another reason for my fakeclaim. I never intended to actually draw hits. Sure that would have been nice but to think so would have been pretty naive. I wanted you guys to think that I'm a VET or VT who tried to draw some hits and that worked. Obviously it failed afterwards because of all the talk, so that's a lesson for me. Either shut your mouth after a lie and don't explain it if you did it for a good reason or simply not lie in the first place :p | ||
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If a Townie lies he does that for a reason. If I claim VT in a game and in reality am a blue would you say it's a good idea to try and understand why that "VT" lied if you're sure it's a townie? No you'd shut up and not talk about it because that guy had a reason to not talk about it. | ||
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On February 24 2012 05:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah, except I as scum can do the exact same thing and then you're royally fucked. The reason you lynch liars over simply ignoring them is that not everyone will just ignore them, and you have no idea whether or not they're even town. Since scum can do the exact same thing, lynching all the liars is just much simpler on principle. There are just too few scenarios where lying as town is good for town. why should a mafia beg to be shot my CW. Sure in at least 90% of the cases CW will think herself that that guy wants to draw a hit because he's a vet and therefore not shoot me or or DT me instead to figure out what's happening. Why should a mafia take that risk? Sure the risk to be actually shot is low but who got the balls to do that and explain his mates afterwards why he did that? | ||
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On February 25 2012 00:23 Radfield wrote: You should , you're two for two on fooling me! yeah I know. The moment you flipped I facepalmed really hard. The first thing I thought after your flip was something like: AW CRAP, he said I'm mafia d1 very early on and a couple of hours later [like a RL day?] he said he likes what I'm doing and I'm probably Town. Radfield never figures me out. He did not figure me out he knew my alignment all along! How could I not see that? :p Should improve my townplay though | ||
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