BC's Arkham City

On January 24 2012 14:19 Bill Murray wrote:
<3
+ Show Spoiler +

What does "3. No conditional voting." mean?
Move my vote to X, if Y happens, because I'll be in Alaska. peace.?

On January 26 2012 11:26 Jackal58 wrote:
##VOTE: Palmar

/In.

Maybe I'll last longer than 24 hours this time.

Being the stealthy man you are, your hit goes through all protections except those of Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze

You are also a master of stealth and are immune to all night hits.

On January 31 2012 18:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


bring it on, Pimmelzwerg

On January 31 2012 23:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


They can't off eachother. Will edit that in.

On February 06 2012 19:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Do you want Batman shooting at people he thinks are blue, or people he thinks are scum?
That is why we should give up the Joker.

On February 06 2012 21:26 Palmar wrote:
Why no pms

You guys are boring.

I propose this plan. Tomorrow I will announce the dumbest/useless/bad thing said in the thread, and we lynch that person as a punishment.

On February 06 2012 21:54 Palmar wrote:


I had nothing to do with killing Soap, stop lying.

V7 being dumb is not my fault.

On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote:
Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled?

+ there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out.

On February 07 2012 05:50 Jayjay54 wrote:


VE: I don’t know if I am allowed to use the word meta after one game. But I feel like he is playing exactly like he did in L. He was town and basically accused everyone who accused him. He did it to me twice, I was nearly losing my mind. So I don’t know if this is a scum tell yet…maybe you are right and he’ll freak day 2.
[...]

On February 07 2012 05:51 Palmar wrote:
rofl, so many people trolling.

layabout's picture is awesome. Lynching VisceraEyes is always a net gain for town.

On February 07 2012 07:50 Jayjay54 wrote:


wait what? you quote me and start a valid discussion about VE and then go on and say that I am trolling?

how so? I read through my filter and didn't find a single troll / troll like post.

to the VE thing, he claimed a hit in L, so I was relatively sure that he's green, still he accused everyone like there would be no tomorrow. same here. I am not really feeling like this is a tell.

[...]

On February 07 2012 08:06 Jayjay54 wrote:


but but but that was my birthday gift. I didn't mean to troll, It was merely a sidenote because we always hung out in mafia L.

Ok, back to business then what did you think of DocH posting Toad? Kind of reminded me of BC/Sandro last game...

On February 07 2012 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
ok I back. quick response time



Please tell me how this makes sense:

"I see nothing in Dr. H's filter"

"except this one thing that he said town shouldn't do but he does anyway and scum would definitely do"

"but that's nothing cause we have a lot of it so he's null"

da fak



So the person you want to lynch at last resort you give reasoning for, but you give 0 reason to lynch CC or layabout, who you would "much rather" see lynched? Once again, da fak?



I asked because opinions about people I currently am forming reads about are useful in actually finding scum. Such as, for example, you. You are proving so for to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. Why else would you flop around and then basically as me why I'm pressuring you? Your responses so far have been utter bullshit.

##vote Toadesstern

gonna read what I missed now, be back soon.

On February 07 2012 19:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:





There have been a few cases laid out, put a little more thought into it. Town doesn't win without some serious thought. It's a team effort. You can make statements like this all game as mafia, it's too safe. Let's talk BM. Make a case for his lynch. If you're "happy" to lynch him you must feel pretty good that he's scum right?

Seems like you're not really invested in who gets lynched. Uninterested. That's not good.

On February 07 2012 19:44 Toadesstern wrote:


Yeah I've got the bad habit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Happened last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them, telling me I'm doing bullshit.
I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time. That should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself).
I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit.

On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynched if we can't get one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman).

On February 07 2012 20:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


If people don't think you're useful, prove them wrong.

On February 07 2012 21:13 Palmar wrote:
screw it, I'll read the thread. brb.

On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion.

On February 07 2012 22:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

take back everything?

such bold statements as:
"i'd rather not lynch radfield d1"

and

"I'm so much more foresighted than radfield." - pre-game

Now you're backpedaling on statements you never made that's a first for me

On February 07 2012 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Missed one because I CTRL+F 'radfield" and not 'rad'

you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing.

On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote:

Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is.
Remember No guts. No gory.

On February 07 2012 23:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer.

And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself

On February 07 2012 23:27 Toadesstern wrote:


I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a mafia but I explained a little.
It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze.
The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker.

On February 07 2012 23:38 Radfield wrote:
I think you're scum Toad, I realize it's your birthday and all, but it has to be done I wasn't gonna day 1 scumhunt this game, but I just can't help myself

In all seriousness, I do think Toad scum:

This post is the major factor for Toad in my mind:




This post is made after several attempts at getting Toad to flesh out his reads. Read the spoiler quotes to see the context. First he opens with an excuse as to why he is not contributing and may not contribute in the future. That is somewhat scummy, but not particularly damning.
I said I'm not going to to cases d1 and will do them d2. At least that's what I wanted to make it look like without actually saying it. Although I did say it recently

Second he states he doesn't like me(which I assume means he thinks I am scummy) because he disagrees with my reads. That is not a valid reason to find someone scummy(in the early game), and shows the wrong mindset. Fact is, Kita looks like his inactive 'helpful' mafia play right now, and VE looks defensive and skittish. They are most certainly not so townie that calling them suspicious is a bad thing. Again, this is scummy but not terrible.
I did not like you because you posted nothing early on and I wanted you to start posting. Easy as that. But yeah although I mentioned the reads on VE and Kita they're not the reason my talk about you.

Third and most importantly is the last line:

This is in addition to these posts:




Similar posts, and in all three Toad is already backing off the CC, layabout train. They are his top 2, he has mentioned them multiple times, but not only is he not making an effort to push them, he is basically capitulating that they might not get lynched. CC is a decent target, and the fact is there are decent reasons to push him, yet Toad has not found them.
I voted CC. As mentioned I'm not going to post big fancy cases on d1 because I think they'd be driven by tunneling and my gut feeligns which would make me think "I got to fine something that makes him scumm". Don't want that early on.
And no I'm not backing off. If I'd be backing off you'd hear me saying something like I said about Palmar

Additionally, although this is a minor point, Toad says they are mafia, or third party. There is simply no reason for a town player to add in the last bit. If Toad is scum he likely KNOWS that CC and Layabout are town, so the inclination to hedge and call them third party is large. Not a huge thing, but really jumped out at me when I read it.
So what are you saying. You just said CC and laya are reasonable lynches and now you're telling me I'm mafia and I know they're town?
I said that because I think he's either a red trying to push that or he might actually be catwoman. If I thought he's badman I would not have made that statement.

His other targets, Kenpachi, BM and Palmar are just policy lynches. KP and BM are both perennial easy targets, and day 1 lynch bait for mafia. Including Palmar in here doesn't even make sense, and directly contradicts Toads earlier post:


Toad is going to try and figure Palmar out somehow else, which apparently just means voting him off Day 1. That doesn't make sense. You are using Palmar's somewhat trollish play(trollish play that you yourself already admitted was standard fare for Townie Palmar) as an excuse for a scum read.

yeah Kenpachi would be a policy lynch, BM half a policy lynch tops and I'm not going to vote palmar with his most recent posts

This post is also a red flag:



This post both undermines the thread, and encourages vigilantes to shoot into anyone trolling. Trolling is almost always a townie trait, as it both spotlights you and bring about the ire of town. Two things most mafia players seek to avoid.
I thought I'm doing the same to some defree just that those people are overdoing it. It's basicly what palmar said about layabout and what I said about risk.nuke last game: I don't think / he doesn't think that he'd have the balls to do that as a mafia. However I'm not sure on layabouts matter about that question. VE for example trolls as mafia on purpose because it's well known that town trolls d1 and he know that he get's away with that because of his meta.
I don't think the reads on Kenpachi are going to be better any time soon so we might lynch / shoot him if we got noone else who might be a viable target. Palmar might end up being useful because he either is trolling-rightish or trolling-wrongish and therefore we don't need to kill him but I want to get his reads to keep him accountable

There are other points and posts, but most of them are minor.

Agree or Disagree?

##Vote: Toadesstern

On February 08 2012 00:00 Radfield wrote:
[...]
His last post seems pretty meh to me. Sheth and VE I pretty much agree on. I'm not sure how you can have an opinion on Hiro though. Why is he on your list.


+ Show Spoiler +

Because I'm normally wrong Day 1 . I wanted to scumhunt, just not really scumhunt publicly. I feel like too often my voice carries more weight than it should on Day 1, as I don't think my Day 1 track record is better than anyone elses. I cannot help myself though...

On February 08 2012 01:25 layabout wrote:

Too easy

On February 08 2012 01:28 Palmar wrote:
lol

But no, we're not lynching Toad. We're not lynching layabout either.

We should be looking at lynching into the three following people:


Sheth
VisceraEyes
Hiro Protagonist

On February 08 2012 01:44 layabout wrote:

Why did you respond to something that isn't remotely serious with something serious when the original unserious response was a response to you yourself not being serious?
i mean seriously?

besides there is a difference between players that are good lynch targets and players that are actually scum. It's not my fault that there is a case against you that isn't a load of crap and that you called me scummy.

On February 08 2012 01:58 layabout wrote:
What is it that seperates hiro protagonist from chaoser or evantrees or Slardar or Risk.nuke or Opz or
or even Katina or Adam4167 or Tyran or ico?

there are many players that are lurking to varying degrees, Why is Hiro scummy?
his posts from game start:
+ Show Spoiler +

What are you seeing here that i am not?

On February 08 2012 02:14 layabout wrote:

How can that which does not play, play badly?

On February 08 2012 02:30 layabout wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [a bit off-topic] +
If it's a lurker you want to lynch Tyrran might be a good choice.

On February 08 2012 02:43 Bill Murray wrote:
we have like 5 kp as a town per round minimum
batman potentially will help us out, too

On February 08 2012 02:53 Toadesstern wrote:

wat?

On February 08 2012 03:01 Palmar wrote:
DrH is not scum, don't be an idiot

On February 08 2012 03:03 Katina wrote:

I agree with the fact that so far everything has just been a "big circlejerk" and the lack of logic behind the claims are kinda amusing. It looks like people are just accusing for the sake of posting in hopes they don't get killed.
Palmar seems to be making the most sense so far out of anyone in the game. He's actually reading into the posts and what everyone is saying.


Palmar is being very direct with his opinions. I think Dr. H is town but he doesn't give off the same vibe of having the town's best interesting in mind that Palmar does. Toad's post here doesn't really contribute much, it looks pretty much like rambling more or less. I don't think he's accomplishing anything for any of the sides. Not sure what his goal is for this game, if he even has one and I find that troubling. Until Sheth stops rambling there should be way more than a few votes on him.

On February 08 2012 03:08 Bill Murray wrote:
toad... 7 vigs... 2 can be medics.... lets do the math lol

On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote:

there is a gigantic mason network im a part of
that is why i'm claiming a power role
i know a confirmed town, as well

On February 08 2012 03:56 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Toadesstern
Behold Sir. Spam-alot from the kingdom of no-content. I got scumvibes from him earlier as I was reading the thread. Nothing in his filter tells me otherwise. I like him more then other lynch-candidates.
Meta: I've seen him under suspicion before and he acted calm and reserved, nothing like this.

I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.

On February 08 2012 04:11 Bill Murray wrote:

this sounds like toadesstern is consoling his scumbuddy he has a vote on

adam4147
toadesstern
sheth
cybercheese
kenpachi
jackal

^ list of scum

On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

On February 08 2012 04:18 Jayjay54 wrote:


difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb.

and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously.
I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town.

On February 08 2012 04:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
Everyone should ignore Bill until he starts making sense. Anyone doing otherwise at this time is very bad for town atmosphere.

On February 08 2012 04:34 Toadesstern wrote:


hey there hiro. Where have you been all day?

On February 08 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Not Random anymore.
I sense that I am about to be lynched, if not today maybe tomorrow.
Also the atmosphere is turnin mafia-favored rapidly. Votes flying left and right, dispersed votes makin it easy for scum to lynch town today.
Due to that, I am claiming:
I am a Detective
.Unless people insist that I claim my name, I won't do it due to obvious reasons :
I may or may not be Catwoman's target.
I have not had the chance to investigate yet.
I will probably be roleblocked.untill we can find the roleblocker.

On February 08 2012 05:39 Bill Murray wrote:

if we lynched people for bad play, you wouldnt make it to night one

On February 08 2012 07:46 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, Opz?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=15805

two posts, one is totally nonsense and one softdefend for (blue) rG. Why is he lurking that hardcore? Get in here and post.

On February 08 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred?

I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden.

On February 08 2012 20:00 ico wrote:
What is this...
Toadesstern, let's assume your claim isn't a lie for a moment:

Catwoman is still hunting for another townie. So unless Penguin also claims (please don't) you have accomplished nothing so far.
I partially understand your immortality claim. It is another flavor of wine added to the table.

You will have to prove yourself.

On February 09 2012 01:09 chaoser wrote:


So you claimed...to trade one DT (you) for another (Schworz)? And it doesn't even work because they wouldn't be on your ass anyway if your "i am immortal" claim is legit anyway. Why didn't you just claim blue two-face and leave out the "i am invincible" part? Then you would actually get "both mafia and thirdparties on your ass".

filter
kk. Also just a sidenote: I hate the fact that BC is linking the deadline in EST. I have to google everytime what time that is because I don't even know what zone it is...
deadline is 11pm EST, according to google it's 14:17 EST right now it's still 7:40 hours until deadline. Correct?

On February 09 2012 04:23 Bill Murray wrote:
oh shit
scratch that
im protecting the good side of the face

im hush, a medic, in case you all aren't reading
i'm protecting jackal/palmar tonight
i would advise the other medics, if we have any, to be on me/jackal/palmar/schworz/toad/kurumi

On February 09 2012 04:27 Bill Murray wrote:
um, toad, youre not going to lynch an uncced town medic
are you serious?

On February 09 2012 04:36 Bill Murray wrote:
excuse me, toad? nice misrepresentation
i have no claimed two-face
i have claimed hush, a medic

On February 09 2012 05:30 Palmar wrote:


Dude, let's talk about it in our mason quicktopic. Don't be an idiot.

On February 09 2012 05:52 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Ok people, I am gonna announce something. Who else has claimed apart from Kurumi, Toad, BM and me?

On February 09 2012 06:12 Bill Murray wrote:

it's not a mason quicktopic
it's a neighbor quicktopic
or a phone network
it's not masons - mason implies we know each others alignment

On February 09 2012 01:17 Toadesstern wrote:


I already explained that, read the last page...
But sure again: Because noone would believe a word I say if I claimed Two-Face without being unkillable. Why would Two-Face, who at least know that he himself is not a liar, claim DT to sacrifice himself just to save another DT? No matter what, even if I'd believe Schworz claim without a doubt I still couldn't say I'm 100% sure he's a DT. So best case scenario would be: 100% Chance to lose a DT and a 99% Chance to win a DT. That's not what I'd think because I know I'm not going to die but that'd be what everyone else thinks, therefore noone would believe a word I said because it's stupid.
Same with claiming something else. Claiming medic to catch some bullets would make no sense at all because no medic would claim such a bullshit.
There really is only a couple of possibilities:

• I got balls of steal, being Twoface but in reality I'm not immune to catwoman
  
• I got mediocre balls, being Twoface but I really am immune to catwoman right now
  
• I am a VT / Vet who doesn't care of being shot and tries to catch some bullets because I made this whole thing up
  
• I am Catwoman myself and don't care about this bullshit because I know I'm immortal myself unless I get lynched.

On February 09 2012 06:29 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Toad, you are CW or a VT|Vet, whos playing stupid.
Leaning towards CW atm, because you claimed at a point where some claims happened and sneaking in the ,,blues,, as a VT|Vet makes a tiny bit of sense, but not much, as there were a ton of targets for scum and CW.

On February 09 2012 06:47 Tobberoth wrote:

How can you know all the details of the Two-Face PR if you aren't Two-Face? It's like you decided not to claim it anymore, but you're still acting like you're TwoFace.

On February 09 2012 06:57 kitaman27 wrote:


It doesn't matter. He is not town:



He has lied twice already. We should hold him accountable by his own standards.

On February 09 2012 07:05 Slardar wrote:


Actually it fucking is, because in the OP it writes "there will be tweaking", but unless this was brought up in the thread nobody would know when there was tweaking. Don't you think that effects the game balance? How are people fucking supposed to play without knowing all the rules? Are you trolling me or what?

On February 09 2012 17:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I thought you fake claimed. So you're not two-face but you are immortal?

Did you "hire" somebody? You might know what I'm talking about.

On February 09 2012 17:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why? You claimed two-face and immortality, I don't understand which parts of your claim were real and which were fake. If you are indeed immortal then that's interesting to me because I know about that but I'm not sure that there is more than one immortal role in the game. All it would do is confirm you as town to me. If you're town scum already knows that so what's the harm in answering? I'm not going to out who you are.

On February 09 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Could be that DocHis bullshitting and picked something up what I breadcrumbded day1 as mafia as well but I don't think so.

On February 08 2012 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:


I know a confirmed town, too ❤

On February 09 2012 17:47 Tunkeg wrote:


There is a third choice and that is that DrH is an Insane inmate.

On February 08 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred?

I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden.

On February 09 2012 17:57 Tunkeg wrote:


He said he was blue, thats a claim. Halfass claims sucks.

You also say:




Well, scum might have gotten a couple or all roles description, so him knowing might as well mean he is scum. Or it could mean absolutely nothing, just a lucky guess from him.

*winkwink* if you know what I mean *winkwink* *ehehehehe*

On February 09 2012 18:07 Tyrran wrote:



If you are a VT from now on, would you mind sharing the details of your role ? I mean, you are not 2 face, and you dont have any power anymore. You can as well share with us what you were. Beleiving DocH is 99% town doesnt help if you cant convince us. I'm not asking you to out the role of DocH obv.

On February 09 2012 18:22 Tyrran wrote:


The problem is that you did not tell us beforehand who you where going to shoot. So we have strictly no rason to beleive it was you and not mafia/another vig that shot Kenpachi. AS for now , it seems that we will have to decide between lynching you/DocH or rgTheSchwortz

Also, what do you think of plamar ? Do you have any idea why he also fake claimed two face ?

On February 09 2012 18:28 Tunkeg wrote:


I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you.

On February 09 2012 18:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, we can prove it when we need to but why don't we just shut up about this until rG explains his sanity? We might die at night but it's worth it if we can lynch scum.

On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:


Why do you think DrH is blue?

On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote:


And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum".

On February 09 2012 18:53 Palmar wrote:


Yes, but does it confirm both of you as town. I'm not talking about "yeah he's probably town because his role name is x" but "I'll jump off a fucking cliff if he's not town".

If it's so, then we must by extension hang rgTheSword no matter how much I want to hang people like kita, hiro, ve or radfield or something.

On February 09 2012 18:59 Palmar wrote:


I'm not Two-Face.

On February 09 2012 19:02 Palmar wrote:


This one is on you Toad, but I guess I have a good enough town read on you to trust you. This means you better know what the fuck you're doing.

rgTheSword did not claim anything but "guilty". I thought almost all TL Detectives always received both the role and the alignment? Usually they're called Cops if they don't.

On February 09 2012 19:04 Tunkeg wrote:


So this is not some unclever scumplan having you and Toad shitting all over this thread trying to confusing us with stuff the we have no chance in verifying and little reason to belive in?

You are sane, you get right results but you're a dick. You have to use your power every night, you have to claim what you found out that night in the thread and that claim has to be the opposite of what you found out

On February 09 2012 19:42 ico wrote:




what is this then Toad?

And screw you for making me sift through nine pages of filter at page 70

On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:


Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ?

Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz.

On February 09 2012 20:02 Palmar wrote:
toadesstern/doch:

Assuming mafia got the role description of some/all blues. Is it possible that one of you could be mafia and abusing the fact they know the role description to fool the other?

On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:

OMGUS much?

You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming.

On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:

I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time.

On February 09 2012 20:04 Toadesstern wrote:


yes it would be possible if they got my role PM as well or the one I suspect doc to be.

On February 09 2012 20:36 Forumite wrote:

I want to know if there are any Town reasons for him doing what he did. If there is no Town reasons then I must assume there are scum reasons. Messing up happens, at least we didn´t loose a Blue because of it, but we could have.

Toades, I don´t care who, just tell me, do you have a read on a Two-Face that isn´t Schworz?

On February 09 2012 20:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Nope. I just said there's no chance that rG is insane without knowing about it. He hasn't commented on the matter.

Toades, do you think it would be fine to say we're both the same person for the purposes of the town understanding without getting modkilled?

On February 09 2012 21:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Yes, wait with your claim. And for the veterans in this games (or whoever it is that consider themself the top of the pops in here). If DrH claims by name, and he claims a role someone else allready have. Should there be counterclaim?

The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either:

A) Save himself (best scenario for himself)
B) Draw out another blue before he dies.

To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this.

On February 09 2012 21:22 Tunkeg wrote:


Not to offend you, but I was hoping someone with more authority would answer.

I think your answer here is the worst answer to the question, giving a counterclaimer potentially very little time to decide what is the right thing to do.

If DrH claims a name someone else have they know he is scum/third party. My take on it is that if DrH is doing this and he aren't going to the gallows the one actually having the role should counterclaim and see to it that it happends. But I do see the downside to this, another blue getting drawn out. Thats why I want the town to reach a consensus about this, so that we can avoid more suboptimal townplay.

On February 09 2012 21:10 Forumite wrote:

I agree about Hiro and Sheth, they need to die.