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On February 09 2012 19:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +because he told me his role, he told me my role he told me part of my role pm, he told me part of his role pm, he claimed right. Show nested quote +11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. If you guys are telling the truth, shouldn't you be modkilled by now? Also, rg's claim doesn't hold up either, because he only claimed alignment, not role.
I asked BC if I could do it and he said it was fine. I was hesitant to do anything like that because of that rule. I don't think it would be fair for BC to modkill me if he gave me permission.
From what BC told me in PMs I could breadcrumb at my role PM as long as I don't reveal my actual powers. I can also make up powers. If there is a misunderstanding of the rules then BC either misunderstood me in our private conversation or vice-versa, in which case I think it would only be fair that I was warned and from here on out disallowed from ever using words from my role PM again.
But again I asked BC:
"If a player claims ROLE, for example, am I allowed to indirectly poke to see if they know about ROLE? This would be the easiest way for me to discern a fake claim from a real one."
and he said that's fine. My understanding was that this rule exists mostly to ensure mafia can safely make fake claims or ensure that players don't get into role PM arguments in games where Role PMs are not all identical or are not traditional (such as in a few of my hosted games).
So for example, in a really normal game setup lets say the role PM for a veteran says "You have an extra night life". A scum player fakeclaims vet and a real vet asks him "do you have an extra night life or an additional night life?"
Or for all vets/dts/medics to all say an extremely specific word in their PM to confirm themselves all to one another making an unstoppable town network.
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mmh I shot BC a pm asking about the details. As I understand it neither of us did something wrong because neither of us told you what either ones 2nd power is.
I'm going to know what I am allowed to claim and what not sometime soon I guess. What happened yesterday should not be a problem because it was a fakeclaim and surely I am not "immortal" :p
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Strange also that in that ruling BC says it's okay to claim your powers but in his PMs to me he told me I'm not allowed to claim my powers?
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On February 09 2012 19:37 Toadesstern wrote:
mmh I shot BC a pm asking about the details. As I understand it neither of us did something wrong because neither of us told you what either ones 2nd power is.
I'm going to know what I am allowed to claim and what not sometime soon I guess. What happened yesterday should not be a problem because it was a fakeclaim and surely I am not "immortal" :p
You're acknowledging that you fakeclaimed two-face mason now?
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I never claimed mason, that was palmar. I only fakeclaimed Two-face to protect someone I thought might be Two-face.
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Wow, I read that post as being Palmar. That's what happens when you stay up for 22 hours :[
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this shit so so complicated 
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On February 09 2012 19:22 Toadesstern wrote:
We haven't claimed a thing yet.
On February 08 2012 19:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm Two-Face and I picked DT because I suck this game + we probably already got a shitload of vigs. If CC would have turned out red or catwoman I would have picked the vig instead.
You may ask yourself "wtf is this guy doing? He just claimed two-face, catwoman will simply kill him if it's true, therefore it got to be a fakeclaim". Fear not because I am immortal. Not literally but pretty much. I won't tell why but I asked BC and he told me Catwoman can't penetrate my awesome powers and she can't kill me right now. Obviously I won't tell you what makes me immortal because that would make it WAAAAY easier for her.
I don't need protection because as mentioned, I'm pretty much immortal. Now we got 2 claimed DTs while one is unkillable. Sounds pretty awesome given Mafia only has one Roleblocker. I don't know if the other DT Claim is a true one or a mafia fakeclaim but if it's true mafia has to kill him and RB me. Or mafia isn't believing a word I say because hell, who would give town an unkillable DT, right? :p
what is this then Toad?
And screw you for making me sift through nine pages of filter at page 70
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hey DocH, did you get shot? And when I ask you if you got shot I'm asking if you got shot.
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On February 09 2012 19:42 ico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm Two-Face and I picked DT because I suck this game + we probably already got a shitload of vigs. If CC would have turned out red or catwoman I would have picked the vig instead.
You may ask yourself "wtf is this guy doing? He just claimed two-face, catwoman will simply kill him if it's true, therefore it got to be a fakeclaim". Fear not because I am immortal. Not literally but pretty much. I won't tell why but I asked BC and he told me Catwoman can't penetrate my awesome powers and she can't kill me right now. Obviously I won't tell you what makes me immortal because that would make it WAAAAY easier for her.
I don't need protection because as mentioned, I'm pretty much immortal. Now we got 2 claimed DTs while one is unkillable. Sounds pretty awesome given Mafia only has one Roleblocker. I don't know if the other DT Claim is a true one or a mafia fakeclaim but if it's true mafia has to kill him and RB me. Or mafia isn't believing a word I say because hell, who would give town an unkillable DT, right? :p what is this then Toad? And screw you for making me sift through nine pages of filter at page 70
that's a fakeclaim. I may fakeclaim whatever I want.
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Blue is untrue, red is true. Let it go until BC/rG get here and clear things up. I don't want to see modkills.
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On February 09 2012 19:43 Toadesstern wrote:
hey DocH, did you get shot? And when I ask you if you got shot I'm asking if you got shot.
Yep.
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that's what you say. I take it as a whole claim and as a whole claim it's bullshit and wrong.
Also I'm not really immortal. Who would put an unlynchable, unkillable power role in this game.
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yeah I'd say we stop talking about it until bc answered and start lynching Schworz instead.
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On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to.
No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one.
On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well.
Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread.
On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane.
Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades.
##vote DoctorHelvetica
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Palmar claimed he's sharing his role with me and it looks like he actually is Two-Face. After Schworz claimed Two-Face himself I told everyone that he's a liar and I am twoface making another big post but palmar retracted his claim and there was no way to keep my fakeclaim up at this point.
Yes I didn't care if he gets shots because there was no way for me to make stick with my fakeclaim at that point in time,
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On February 09 2012 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Palmar claimed he's sharing his role with me and it looks like he actually is Two-Face. After Schworz claimed Two-Face himself I told everyone that he's a liar and I am twoface making another big post but palmar retracted his claim and there was no way to keep my fakeclaim up at this point.
Yes I didn't care if he gets shots because there was no way for me to make stick with my fakeclaim at that point in time,
Who cares if your fakeclaim sticks or not? You just had to keep up the WIFOM until the night was over. I agree that Palmar messed up by taking back his claim first, but you didn´t help any by taking back your claim.
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On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica
Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ?
Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz.
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On February 09 2012 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Palmar claimed he's sharing his role with me and it looks like he actually is Two-Face. After Schworz claimed Two-Face himself I told everyone that he's a liar and I am twoface making another big post but palmar retracted his claim and there was no way to keep my fakeclaim up at this point.
Yes I didn't care if he gets shots because there was no way for me to make stick with my fakeclaim at that point in time,
I claimed no such thing.
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On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz.
see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup?
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