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On February 06 2012 22:34 ico wrote:
It is way to early in day 1 to go for a random vote. The person Adam votes for has not even posted in the thread yet. I'd not care so much about it if it was close to the posting and voting deadline, which makes a random vote excusable, but still not desired.
Please note I have not put my vote on him yet, about ten people haven't even posted and day 1 still lasts for quite a while.
But I am seriously irritated by the fact that actions like day1 townclaim or early day 1 random votes are done at all and get defended by other posters.
Day 1 town claims should be considered null. They're complete fluff and should have zero impact on your decision to vote someone.
We are in the 'RVS' or Random Voting Stage. Its perfectly acceptable to randomly vote someone to generate discussion. Hey look, its working right now!
I am however interested in why you're taking such great offense to my (and Kenpachis) actions. You're making these actions out to be much worse then they actually are.
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On February 06 2012 22:35 Forumite wrote:Stealthvote detected! Qualis, please explain your reasoning for voting for Schworz without mentioning it in here, especially since the only FoS I´ve seen from you is on Sheth.
Did you read the rest of that post?
For your benefit:
On February 06 2012 22:10 -_-Quails wrote: rg's posts were far scummier though. He attacked using reasoning provided by someone else plus weirdness about RVS and this quote: Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 17:18 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already.
Explicit reasons:
Objective: rgTheSchworz recycled an argument in order to attack KenPatchi. This is not a pro-town thing to do.
Subjective: rgTheSchworz reacted to the vanilla claim in a way that raised my hackles, as did Sheth but Sheth used his own reasoning rather than recycling and so is less suspicious.
Objective: That quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia
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On February 06 2012 22:47 ico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty normal in fact I think at mafiascum town usually even declares a random voting stage and they are much better players than TL players so I don't see what you're getting at I am aware of that and there is a distinction between having a random voting stage and just randomly voting in a situation that doesn't force it. But we should probably have any further discussion about that after this game, it is derailing.
The random voting stage isn't usually formally declared. It is just assumed to be in effect from the start of the game until players begin to vote for serious reasons. It forces the reactions that provide the information upon which real votes are based.
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lol mafiascum towns are terrible, the random voting stage is part of why they're terrible.
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Let's lynch Cyber Cheese so we can move beyond Batman bs and outing the Joker scenarios.
Seriously. Who gives a shit about Batman other than Bum. And he's not playing.
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Palmar - You scum this game?
Tell the truth.
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On February 06 2012 23:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar - You scum this game?
Tell the truth.
Sup Jackal, Kenpachi scum this game? Bets on Opz being 3rd party?
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On February 06 2012 22:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:13 Forumite wrote:
Tunkeg, setup-discussion doesn´t help Town, takes too much time and energy from scumhunting, and allow scum to blend in. Instead, could you tell me what you think about the other players? What do you think about VE, Kenpachi, and rgTheSchworz? Kenpachi and rgTS I think I said my view on in my opening post: Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 18:23 Tunkeg wrote:Batman/CatwomenAS DrH said so prematurely discussing Batman and Catwomen is a day 1 topic, which we shouldn't dwell to much on. Both (and Catwomen especially) getting lynched is good for town, especially if they are hitting each night instead of using their DT skill. But we will have a hard time knowing that they are a thirdparty, as any DT checks will show the role they chose to show, and Batman probably will look like any other townie/blue and Catwomen might apear more on the scummy side (from their posting). So I say lets just ignore the third parties for now and just scumhunt as usual, trying to hit red. Kenpachi townie claimHe does this every game, and it means nothing. I find it much much more suspicious that people are making a big deal out of this. And rgTS reason for voting for him is the thinnest reason I have ever seen. It is not scumhunting, it is not applying pressure, it is just plain distracting. Bill Murray's mass claimOn February 06 2012 15:52 Bill Murray wrote:
That being said, I want to massclaim. It really backs scum up into having to fake names. It's a video game/fictional universe, how many characters are there, or would I be surprised? Are you joking? Massclaiming in a semi-open set up like this? We know what roles might be in the game, but it is not likely every role is in the game. Scum might have gotten a few examples of what roles are in the game (or maybe all?), and could then easily just sit back and get one of their members to do a fake claim. This would make the whole massclaim thing only beneficial to scum as: A) The blueclaims wouldn't give confirmed townies. Or if town belive this to give confirmed townies, a scum is now suddenly confirmed townie. B) Scum, Batman and Catwomen now knows who to target at night. We would maybe lose as much as 5 blues in one night. The whole confirmed townie thing would just cost us alot of townies, and these "confirmed" townies will be dead before they get to do any impact on the game. This proposed massclaim make me suspect be either scum or thirdparty, as those are the only ones IMO who benefits from it. #FOS Bill Murray But I don't really see why people are voting for either one of them as of now. Sure I don't agree on rgTS vote on kenpachi and his reasoning behind it (RnG and stuff), but to go from there to him beeing scum is a bit far fetched. VE haven't posted more then one post thus far and I have no opinion on him what so ever.
Got it, thanks.
On February 06 2012 22:51 -_-Quails wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:35 Forumite wrote:Stealthvote detected! On February 06 2012 22:21 -_-Quails wrote:
##vote rgTheSchworz Qualis, please explain your reasoning for voting for Schworz without mentioning it in here, especially since the only FoS I´ve seen from you is on Sheth. Did you read the rest of that post? For your benefit: Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:10 -_-Quails wrote: rg's posts were far scummier though. He attacked using reasoning provided by someone else plus weirdness about RVS and this quote: On February 06 2012 17:18 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already. Explicit reasons: Objective: rgTheSchworz recycled an argument in order to attack KenPatchi. This is not a pro-town thing to do. Subjective: rgTheSchworz reacted to the vanilla claim in a way that raised my hackles, as did Sheth but Sheth used his own reasoning rather than recycling and so is less suspicious. Objective: That quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia
My bad, missed that line in your post.
Do you think rgTheSchworz scumslipped? That line could mean several things. It could mean that he was defending against anyone thinking Kenpachi is blue and should therefore be left alone, by saying that Kenpachi couldn´t be blue because of how he acted, and must therefore Town or Scum, in which case Scum knows his role. Weird line of thought, but not necessarily a scumslip.
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On February 06 2012 23:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar - You scum this game?
Tell the truth.
Who cares?
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On February 06 2012 23:19 Forumite wrote:
Do you think rgTheSchworz scumslipped? That line could mean several things. It could mean that he was defending against anyone thinking Kenpachi is blue and should therefore be left alone, by saying that Kenpachi couldn´t be blue because of how he acted, and must therefore Town or Scum, in which case Scum knows his role. Weird line of thought, but not necessarily a scumslip.
Until I see something from rgTheSchworz that allays my suspicions (or something indicating a scumteam that is not compatible with rgTS being scum) I am going to consider it a scumslip.
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On February 06 2012 23:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 23:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar - You scum this game?
Tell the truth. Who cares?
Everyone.
Even the Batman.
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On February 06 2012 22:47 ico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty normal in fact I think at mafiascum town usually even declares a random voting stage and they are much better players than TL players so I don't see what you're getting at I am aware of that and there is a distinction between having a random voting stage and just randomly voting in a situation that doesn't force it. But we should probably have any further discussion about that after this game, it is derailing.
It's not derailing because it's your reason for voting lol
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On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote:
Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs.
Best way to get the day 1 discussion rolling besides elections/rvs/clues
You think you can't get any reads based off of peoples reactions to what has been discussed?
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On February 06 2012 23:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote:
Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs. Best way to get the day 1 discussion rolling besides elections/rvs/clues You think you can't get any reads based off of peoples reactions to what has been discussed?
I said not much. If there was normal serial killer in play, would You discuss something about him besides his existence ?
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Palmar, do you want to be lynched?
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On February 06 2012 23:48 -_-Quails wrote:
Palmar, do you want to be lynched?
I find the idea quite frightening, so not really no.
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ok thought a little about this whole joker thing and here's what I think.
If I were badman I'd try to hit mafia first. Simple reasoning: We're going to kill 1 mafia per cycle via lynches. Sure according to the setup there's a shitload of vigs but those people don't know for certain if they're going to hit mafia or town, same for our lynches, so that'd be deaths for both sides.
Just for the sake of a number, let's take the 1 I was talking about and ignore everything else.
How many people does mafia kill? Well according to their KP 3 per night. They know who's town and who's not therefore they can't miss but they might hit a vet or someone being protected by a medic. Same as above: Just for the sake of numbers let's take the 3 as well.
So we're going to take 1 mafia out per day and will lose 3 townies per day. Obviously those numbers are bullshit but the essence of what I'm talking about is that mafia is killing more than we do. So if batman isn't able to kill hugo on d1 there's probably already a bunch of dead townies by the time he finishes off Hugo. So the chances that mafia makes him win while he searches for Hugo are enormous. Sure he has to make sure no side wins by a rockslide but if that's not happening mafia is probably going to shoot joker somewhere in the process anyways.
I'd say we use Batman on our behalf and make him help town. I don't have a problem with him killing Hugo and neither should you. Hugo really is the hard part of Batmans job imo.
After he killed Hugo we can start talking about giving him Joker to prevent a badman rampage.
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On February 06 2012 23:46 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 23:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote:
Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs. Best way to get the day 1 discussion rolling besides elections/rvs/clues You think you can't get any reads based off of peoples reactions to what has been discussed? I said not much. If there was normal serial killer in play, would You discuss something about him besides his existence ?
It's good for day 1. There has been a "town" plan to have the joker sacrifice himself day 1 when it's obvious Batman would just use his DT power unless he's an idiot. That's good enough for me. I'm done talking about that joke of a plan. If it is a scum proposal, they're gonna ditch it and move on to something else probably an easy lynch like rg or kenpachi
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